Ebonyleopard wrote:Coptur wrote:Ebonyleopard wrote:Transcendent30 wrote:More race and gender baiting SJW nonsense from IDW, quickly going the way of Marvel. I'm sorry but Leoric is a white guy (along with Matt Trakker from MASK). These characters look NOTHING like Visionaries at all, but rather an obvious SJW political vehicle, for the white/man shaming of much loved franchises of the past. There is nothing wrong with being white. If they want ethnic minority characters, make NEW characters and NEW stories. The Visionaries are white male characters in fantasy knight armor. Deal with it. SJWs are destroying everything I hold dear at the moment. I'm boycotting all IDW publications from now on, until they decide to get rid of the identity politics. This is not Visionaries and it's not Transformers. It's sickening, forced "diversity" and no longer fun.
I get so tired of the “SJW”shield for what people really obviously want to say but don’t have the full fours peg to completely go there. Just spit out what you really want to say and drop th SJW bs.
So bascially you're calling Transcendent30 & primalxconvoy racists??(speaking of four pegs) for not liking Hasbro/IDW changing established character races for no reason other that SJW / Political nonsense.
I didn't like Baxter Stockman being white in the 1989 Turtles cartoon but I guess that makes me racists too..
No you just called them racist because if that’s what I wanted to say, rest assured I have absolutely no problem using the term when it is appropriately warranted. Close minded perhaps, but more so foolish going to bat over a franchise that was originally barely a franchise and who’s stories and characters even people who were alive to have seen it first hand barely remember without the aid of a wiki or some other outside source for reference. You see, the nuance is in the argument. To say you don’t like the change of a character because you prefer that they stay as close to the original canon as possible, just update it, is one thing and totally reasonable. When you lead off complaint about character designs being re imagined as something of a different race or gender specifically as that being the primary issue is something else all together. Because you are no longer worried about the character, it becomes solely about the race or gender of the character.
Example, they update visual design of a character, but make him still be white, but otherwise the character acts nothing like the character originally would or had, the SJW argument would go, you’d be fine with it because at least the character is still white. On the other hand, if they make a white character black, but have everything else about the character exactly like the previous incarnation, but your main hang up is the characters skin color, then your argument isn’t about characterization at all.
You Baxter example is a perfect one. In the cartoon they changed the character. Now if you were coming to it originally reading the comic, you would know he was originally black. But it really was the change of the character’s race that made 80s cartoon Baxter problematic, it was the fact he acted nothing like his comic book version. That’s the sam pie when you compare 2000s cartoon Baxter to 2011 cartoon Baxter. While both being black, 2000s is the better take on the character because he’s the best representation of the comic version, which is also why IDW Baxter is good because he too embodies the spirit of the character. It’s not about his race but his character.
I know that’s very TLDR but I hope that’s a bit more clearer so words won’t be needed to be put in my mouth.
I'm certainly not closed-minded and it was improper if you to state that. I would actually be against established characters acting out of character. I, and many others, voiced their distaste for Bay's version of Optimus Prime saying "give me your face", and the other violent it distasteful behavior displayed in the films.