IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #36 Review
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Timey Wimey Stuff
(Spoiler free-ish)
(Spoiler free-ish)
Synopsis
OUTLAWS! Before the war, Orion Pax was part of the Establishment—until a friend opened his eyes to the truth behind the lies and he vowed to overthrow the system. Now, it seems as if his newfound enemies are willing to go to any lengths to see him dead—even if it means waiting four million years...
Yup, definitely enemies (?)
Story
You will probably remember what happened all the way back during the 2009-11 ongoing series, in particular the Chaos Theory arc that James Roberts co-wrote. You might also have in mind the continuation of that story in Shadowplay, the Shockwave/Orion Pax arc during the first season of MTMTE. If you do not, you probably want to brush up for issue 36, as Elegant Chaos continues the pre-war story.
Oh, and all of that, too
Though not exactly as we might all remember it so far (strange choice of words, I know, but you've seen what's been happening in MTMTE so fa r, right? The trousers of time have many legs, and several are unravelling at the same time). Time travel only muddles plotlines, by its own nature, and this issue is not exception.
Realimus
Which, unfortunately, finds itself to come to standstill in the overall trajectory of the series post-Dark Cybertron. Don't get me wrong, the issue is a great read, fantastic interactions, good dialogue, characters and Whirl. Especially Whirl, in both his present and present-in-the-past situations, along with some amusing time-paradox musings.
WHIRLMAS
But it doesn't really do much else, sadly. It reinforces old situations and concepts; it has a smirk-inducing conversation between two key players which is really a one-sided admission and reflection; it sets the stage, but only that smidge more than the last two-three issues, for Elegant Chaos. And I wanted it to do more.
Art
As far as unintentional bottle episodes happen, however, the art brought to the issue by Alex Milne is a joy to behold - especially in its cranked up expressivity in both facial and body language, including some of the least likely to be able to do so (looking at you Whirl). On top of that, action sequences are magnificently laid out, with a proliferation of double-spreads and panels spanning multiple pages.
Whirl is BOOOOOOOOREEEEEEDDDD
Which are obviously but enhanced by Joana Lafuente's gorgeous colour approach, already from the very first panel of the very first page. And it just gets better from there, really, adding action to action, emotion to emotion, decoration to interiors, atmosphere to planets and making everything look just so good.
I mean
Tom B. Long and his lettering are not to be underestimated, either - and the title of the issue, and the arc, are an example of the font magic that man can do. The subtle sounds around the scene are also cleverly worked in, and never intrusive, but definitely still there. In terms of covers, we've seen the Alex Milne/Josh Perez Anniversary piece already, and the main one with juiced up Roller - check out the thumbnail for the moody Nick Roche/Burcham Orion Pax variant.
Thoughts
Spoilerish ahead
As I said above, the issue is not a bad read, a bad comic or a bad piece of writing. It just did not do what other issues playing around with time, or indeed, arcs in the Functionist plotlines have done previously, such as the wonderful Shadowplay. That is not to say that we may very well see this all play out fantastically as of next month or the forthcoming issues in general.
Roberts, you there?
From an artistic perspective, though, the book dazzles and deals a dizzying delight - not only because of some wonderfully executed double-spread pages, colours and composition, but as a general aid to extricate the intricacies of the potentially convoluted plot. Here's to you, visual storytelling. Make sure you track down a paper copy of this one.
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½ out of
½ out of Credit(s): IDW, Va'al
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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #36 Review (1630745)
Posted by Madeus Prime on December 17th, 2014 @ 9:17am CST
Posted by Madeus Prime on December 17th, 2014 @ 9:17am CST
Oh, my, god. Happy Whirl is adorable.
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #36 Review (1630748)
Posted by Va'al on December 17th, 2014 @ 9:22am CST
I had to settle on one panel, but there are SO MANY.
Posted by Va'al on December 17th, 2014 @ 9:22am CST
Madeus Prime wrote:Oh, my, god. Happy Whirl is adorable.
I had to settle on one panel, but there are SO MANY.
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #36 Review (1630779)
Posted by ctrlFrequency on December 17th, 2014 @ 10:28am CST
Posted by ctrlFrequency on December 17th, 2014 @ 10:28am CST
I'm in love that we got to see Whirl again!
I'm not loving the double page spreads..... though it was okay on the PC, my tablet couldn't do it without sliding it all over the place. I prefer reading on the tablet. (Comixology... Kindle handles double pages far better, but even then, it's still more difficult on the small screen)
Oh and Rodimus saying "'Sup." with the smirk. I know that's just something we should expect from him, but man it made my day.
I'm not loving the double page spreads..... though it was okay on the PC, my tablet couldn't do it without sliding it all over the place. I prefer reading on the tablet. (Comixology... Kindle handles double pages far better, but even then, it's still more difficult on the small screen)
Oh and Rodimus saying "'Sup." with the smirk. I know that's just something we should expect from him, but man it made my day.
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #36 Review (1630783)
Posted by Nemesis Maximo on December 17th, 2014 @ 10:37am CST
Posted by Nemesis Maximo on December 17th, 2014 @ 10:37am CST
I loved Megatron's conversation with Orion. He's so classy.
Also, I loved when Whirl forgot he had been in prison at this point. Also, Wheelimus Prime is looking for something to take out of context. Ask and you shall recieve!
Also, did Roller survive? His fate was left somewhat ambiguous. I fear the worst.
Also, i liked the lead up to Trailbreaker's alcoholism.
Also, also.
But I agree with Va'al; not a whole lot happened in this issue, and it kinda felt like filler. Like, Ready Whip. Tasty, but little substance.
Also, I loved when Whirl forgot he had been in prison at this point. Also, Wheelimus Prime is looking for something to take out of context. Ask and you shall recieve!
Also, did Roller survive? His fate was left somewhat ambiguous. I fear the worst.
Also, i liked the lead up to Trailbreaker's alcoholism.
Also, also.
But I agree with Va'al; not a whole lot happened in this issue, and it kinda felt like filler. Like, Ready Whip. Tasty, but little substance.
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #36 Review (1630797)
Posted by ctrlFrequency on December 17th, 2014 @ 11:01am CST
They never show it, so I guess we assume he survived. He was too prominent to the story to simply be cannon fodder.
I came to the conclusion that Roberts can't break out of the novel style of writing. Which is great, I'm willing to bet he's already written of the issues for the next 2 years, it leads to a very cohesive story, and very little subplots getting forgotten. But with a limit of 20 some pages per issue, we get a lot of 'build up' issues that would, in a novel, be just a blurb (you know, a page or two of set up before the chapter of action). But we have it fed to us in bits. So it gets boring.
Posted by ctrlFrequency on December 17th, 2014 @ 11:01am CST
Nemesis Maximo wrote:I loved Megatron's conversation with Orion. He's so classy.
Also, I loved when Whirl forgot he had been in prison at this point. Also, Wheelimus Prime is looking for something to take out of context. Ask and you shall recieve!
Also, did Roller survive? His fate was left somewhat ambiguous. I fear the worst.
They never show it, so I guess we assume he survived. He was too prominent to the story to simply be cannon fodder.
Nemesis Maximo wrote:But I agree with Va'al; not a whole lot happened in this issue, and it kinda felt like filler. Like, Ready Whip. Tasty, but little substance.
I came to the conclusion that Roberts can't break out of the novel style of writing. Which is great, I'm willing to bet he's already written of the issues for the next 2 years, it leads to a very cohesive story, and very little subplots getting forgotten. But with a limit of 20 some pages per issue, we get a lot of 'build up' issues that would, in a novel, be just a blurb (you know, a page or two of set up before the chapter of action). But we have it fed to us in bits. So it gets boring.
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #36 Review (1630813)
Posted by Nemesis Maximo on December 17th, 2014 @ 11:31am CST
That's my hope. But I could see Roberts dealing with it later on in a posthumous way, like out of the blue somebody says "Man, I miss Roller" and then later we get flashbacks or explanation to how he may have been killed.
As to Roberts' writing style, I somewhat agree. Usually, he doesn't put out too many build up issues that feel like build up issues. By comparison, most of RID was paced specifically to BE a build up Prowl's actions and consequences. Right before Dark Cybertron, Barber's Monologues were pretty slow, even by RID standards. What I would love is more miniseries by Roberts.
Posted by Nemesis Maximo on December 17th, 2014 @ 11:31am CST
CTRLFrequency wrote:They never show it, so I guess we assume he survived. He was too prominent to the story to simply be cannon fodder.
That's my hope. But I could see Roberts dealing with it later on in a posthumous way, like out of the blue somebody says "Man, I miss Roller" and then later we get flashbacks or explanation to how he may have been killed.
As to Roberts' writing style, I somewhat agree. Usually, he doesn't put out too many build up issues that feel like build up issues. By comparison, most of RID was paced specifically to BE a build up Prowl's actions and consequences. Right before Dark Cybertron, Barber's Monologues were pretty slow, even by RID standards. What I would love is more miniseries by Roberts.
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #36 Review (1630817)
Posted by ctrlFrequency on December 17th, 2014 @ 11:44am CST
Sometimes it's unavoidable. I think that's where it is at right now. Especially when laying ground work for something big, if you're laying a lot of ground work, slow paced build up might not be able to be avoided.
Posted by ctrlFrequency on December 17th, 2014 @ 11:44am CST
Nemesis Maximo wrote:CTRLFrequency wrote:They never show it, so I guess we assume he survived. He was too prominent to the story to simply be cannon fodder.
That's my hope. But I could see Roberts dealing with it later on in a posthumous way, like out of the blue somebody says "Man, I miss Roller" and then later we get flashbacks or explanation to how he may have been killed.
As to Roberts' writing style, I somewhat agree. Usually, he doesn't put out too many build up issues that feel like build up issues.
Sometimes it's unavoidable. I think that's where it is at right now. Especially when laying ground work for something big, if you're laying a lot of ground work, slow paced build up might not be able to be avoided.
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #36 Review (1630822)
Posted by Nemesis Maximo on December 17th, 2014 @ 12:06pm CST
Posted by Nemesis Maximo on December 17th, 2014 @ 12:06pm CST
I'm not trying to be negative about it, because you're right, it IS unavoidable sometimes. I see it as a compliment towards Roberts, as even when he does give us filler issues (#34 comes to mind), it doesn't feel rushed or slow.
As for letter statement, that was a little non sequitur. I was just making an observation; miniseries are always my favorite Transformers stories.
As for letter statement, that was a little non sequitur. I was just making an observation; miniseries are always my favorite Transformers stories.
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #36 Review (1630826)
Posted by ctrlFrequency on December 17th, 2014 @ 12:21pm CST
Posted by ctrlFrequency on December 17th, 2014 @ 12:21pm CST
I didn't think you were being negative. 
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #36 Review (1630861)
Posted by Va'al on December 17th, 2014 @ 1:27pm CST
Roller is Tarn.
That is what the internet has declared. Discuss.
As for the 'meh' element of this issue, I agree pretty much with all the comments made by the two of you - unavoidable lulls in a sustained stretch of good storytelling. It's a shame that it coincided with the beginning of a fairly convoluted plot.
Posted by Va'al on December 17th, 2014 @ 1:27pm CST
Nemesis Maximo wrote:CTRLFrequency wrote:They never show it, so I guess we assume he survived. He was too prominent to the story to simply be cannon fodder.
That's my hope. But I could see Roberts dealing with it later on in a posthumous way, like out of the blue somebody says "Man, I miss Roller" and then later we get flashbacks or explanation to how he may have been killed.
As to Roberts' writing style, I somewhat agree. Usually, he doesn't put out too many build up issues that feel like build up issues. By comparison, most of RID was paced specifically to BE a build up Prowl's actions and consequences. Right before Dark Cybertron, Barber's Monologues were pretty slow, even by RID standards. What I would love is more miniseries by Roberts.
Roller is Tarn.
That is what the internet has declared. Discuss.
As for the 'meh' element of this issue, I agree pretty much with all the comments made by the two of you - unavoidable lulls in a sustained stretch of good storytelling. It's a shame that it coincided with the beginning of a fairly convoluted plot.
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #36 Review (1630866)
Posted by ctrlFrequency on December 17th, 2014 @ 1:37pm CST
That is the internet rumors I have heard too. I can see it. And there's certainly a basis for it being set up. And it would be a good time to fit it in. I won't discredit it.
Posted by ctrlFrequency on December 17th, 2014 @ 1:37pm CST
Va'al wrote:Nemesis Maximo wrote:CTRLFrequency wrote:They never show it, so I guess we assume he survived. He was too prominent to the story to simply be cannon fodder.
That's my hope. But I could see Roberts dealing with it later on in a posthumous way, like out of the blue somebody says "Man, I miss Roller" and then later we get flashbacks or explanation to how he may have been killed.
As to Roberts' writing style, I somewhat agree. Usually, he doesn't put out too many build up issues that feel like build up issues. By comparison, most of RID was paced specifically to BE a build up Prowl's actions and consequences. Right before Dark Cybertron, Barber's Monologues were pretty slow, even by RID standards. What I would love is more miniseries by Roberts.
Roller is Tarn.
That is what the internet has declared. Discuss.
That is the internet rumors I have heard too. I can see it. And there's certainly a basis for it being set up. And it would be a good time to fit it in. I won't discredit it.
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #36 Review (1630875)
Posted by Va'al on December 17th, 2014 @ 1:47pm CST
Posted by Va'al on December 17th, 2014 @ 1:47pm CST
I'm not sure all quirks are accounted for, yet.
Addiction to transforming - only really the one scene in this issue where it happens.
Blind devotion to Megatron's writing - probably being set up in this issue, with Pax recommending it to Roller.
Music/sound/spark manipulation stuff - not much in terms of that yet.
Point one percenter - yes, that's there.
The shape sort of fits, too. And the March solicits bring the DJD back to the fore, too.
I love speculation.
Addiction to transforming - only really the one scene in this issue where it happens.
Blind devotion to Megatron's writing - probably being set up in this issue, with Pax recommending it to Roller.
Music/sound/spark manipulation stuff - not much in terms of that yet.
Point one percenter - yes, that's there.
The shape sort of fits, too. And the March solicits bring the DJD back to the fore, too.
I love speculation.
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #36 Review (1630886)
Posted by ctrlFrequency on December 17th, 2014 @ 1:58pm CST
There's totally plenty of time to build the not present traits into Roller to make him Tarn. That's why I can see it. Of course, who knows, we could be wrong and Rollers dead. But there's always that 'who knows what happens to him after that scene ends'. Since we really don't know who was up in that ship hovering up above the field.
Posted by ctrlFrequency on December 17th, 2014 @ 1:58pm CST
Va'al wrote:I'm not sure all quirks are accounted for, yet.
Addiction to transforming - only really the one scene in this issue where it happens.
Blind devotion to Megatron's writing - probably being set up in this issue, with Pax recommending it to Roller.
Music/sound/spark manipulation stuff - not much in terms of that yet.
Point one percenter - yes, that's there.
The shape sort of fits, too. And the March solicits bring the DJD back to the fore, too.
I love speculation.
There's totally plenty of time to build the not present traits into Roller to make him Tarn. That's why I can see it. Of course, who knows, we could be wrong and Rollers dead. But there's always that 'who knows what happens to him after that scene ends'. Since we really don't know who was up in that ship hovering up above the field.
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #36 Review (1630891)
Posted by prjkt on December 17th, 2014 @ 2:04pm CST
Posted by prjkt on December 17th, 2014 @ 2:04pm CST
I wonder if Brainstorm's journey has something to do with the point percenter spark he harvested from Luna 2...
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #36 Review (1630899)
Posted by Randomhero on December 17th, 2014 @ 2:21pm CST
You wouldn't be wrong. There are two distinc spark types that went. Vitreous-positive abd ferrum-negative.
Posted by Randomhero on December 17th, 2014 @ 2:21pm CST
prjkt wrote:I wonder if Brainstorm's journey has something to do with the point percenter spark he harvested from Luna 2...
You wouldn't be wrong. There are two distinc spark types that went. Vitreous-positive abd ferrum-negative.
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #36 Review (1630905)
Posted by Nemesis Maximo on December 17th, 2014 @ 2:31pm CST
Posted by Nemesis Maximo on December 17th, 2014 @ 2:31pm CST
Va'al wrote:Roller is Tarn.
That is what the internet has declared. Discuss.
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #36 Review (1630908)
Posted by Nemesis Maximo on December 17th, 2014 @ 2:34pm CST
Posted by Nemesis Maximo on December 17th, 2014 @ 2:34pm CST
Va'al wrote:Roller is Tarn.
That is what the internet has declared. Discuss.
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #36 Review (1630951)
Posted by Va'al on December 17th, 2014 @ 4:20pm CST
Posted by Va'al on December 17th, 2014 @ 4:20pm CST
That good or bad, NM?
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #36 Review (1630957)
Posted by Nemesis Maximo on December 17th, 2014 @ 4:34pm CST
Posted by Nemesis Maximo on December 17th, 2014 @ 4:34pm CST
For you, Va'al, it can be both. 
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #36 Review (1630960)
Posted by Va'al on December 17th, 2014 @ 4:38pm CST
Posted by Va'al on December 17th, 2014 @ 4:38pm CST
I am getting a lot of ambiguous compliments today on here.
I blame Whirl.
I blame Whirl.
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #36 Review (1630968)
Posted by ctrlFrequency on December 17th, 2014 @ 5:13pm CST
Posted by ctrlFrequency on December 17th, 2014 @ 5:13pm CST
*raises an eyebrow*
New theory Va'al is actually Whirl.
New theory Va'al is actually Whirl.
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #36 Review (1630970)
Posted by Va'al on December 17th, 2014 @ 5:31pm CST
Posted by Va'al on December 17th, 2014 @ 5:31pm CST
I have eyebrows. Definitely so.
If anything, I am either Vos or Windblade. Linguists, interpreters, trying to keep things in order, take pleasure in what I do, nowhere I really call home at the moment.
If anything, I am either Vos or Windblade. Linguists, interpreters, trying to keep things in order, take pleasure in what I do, nowhere I really call home at the moment.
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #36 Review (1630985)
Posted by ctrlFrequency on December 17th, 2014 @ 6:10pm CST
Posted by ctrlFrequency on December 17th, 2014 @ 6:10pm CST
Okay... then new, new theory... you'really Vos. You don't give me the Wind blade vibe.
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #36 Review (1630988)
Posted by SW's SilverHammer on December 17th, 2014 @ 6:13pm CST
Posted by SW's SilverHammer on December 17th, 2014 @ 6:13pm CST
Ah man, really wish I picked this one up today, but im waiting till the end of the month to pick up all my comics, sure some of you know how that works. Though I will say, ever since I had my cameo on the podcast, it's been in my head canon with all the other pop culture ephemera mentioned , that in MTMTE; time travel is just a jump to the left, and then a step to the right.
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #36 Review (1630994)
Posted by ctrlFrequency on December 17th, 2014 @ 6:21pm CST
Posted by ctrlFrequency on December 17th, 2014 @ 6:21pm CST
Let's do the time warp again!!!!
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #36 Review (1630999)
Posted by Va'al on December 17th, 2014 @ 6:40pm CST
Should post more photos of me in makeup.
Posted by Va'al on December 17th, 2014 @ 6:40pm CST
ctrlFrequency wrote:Okay... then new, new theory... you'really Vos. You don't give me the Wind blade vibe.
Should post more photos of me in makeup.
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #36 Review (1631000)
Posted by SW's SilverHammer on December 17th, 2014 @ 6:40pm CST
With your hands on your hips!
Posted by SW's SilverHammer on December 17th, 2014 @ 6:40pm CST
ctrlFrequency wrote:Let's do the time warp again!!!!
With your hands on your hips!
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #36 Review (1631002)
Posted by Va'al on December 17th, 2014 @ 6:42pm CST
And your knees in tight!
Posted by Va'al on December 17th, 2014 @ 6:42pm CST
SW's SilverHammer wrote:ctrlFrequency wrote:Let's do the time warp again!!!!
With your hands on your hips!
And your knees in tight!
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #36 Review (1631004)
Posted by SW's SilverHammer on December 17th, 2014 @ 6:46pm CST
But it's the pelvic thrust ,That really drives you insa-a-a-a-ne.
Posted by SW's SilverHammer on December 17th, 2014 @ 6:46pm CST
Va'al wrote:SW's SilverHammer wrote:ctrlFrequency wrote:Let's do the time warp again!!!!
With your hands on your hips!
And your knees in tight!
But it's the pelvic thrust ,That really drives you insa-a-a-a-ne.
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #36 Review (1631006)
Posted by Va'al on December 17th, 2014 @ 6:53pm CST
Let's..
Posted by Va'al on December 17th, 2014 @ 6:53pm CST
SW's SilverHammer wrote:Va'al wrote:SW's SilverHammer wrote:ctrlFrequency wrote:Let's do the time warp again!!!!
With your hands on your hips!
And your knees in tight!
But it's the pelvic thrust ,That really drives you insa-a-a-a-ne.
Let's..
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #36 Review (1631010)
Posted by SW's SilverHammer on December 17th, 2014 @ 7:06pm CST
Is rocky horror now as much part of MTMTE pop mythos as, spoiler warning, muppets take manhattan?
Posted by SW's SilverHammer on December 17th, 2014 @ 7:06pm CST
Va'al wrote:SW's SilverHammer wrote:Va'al wrote:SW's SilverHammer wrote:ctrlFrequency wrote:Let's do the time warp again!!!!
With your hands on your hips!
And your knees in tight!
But it's the pelvic thrust ,That really drives you insa-a-a-a-ne.
Let's..
Is rocky horror now as much part of MTMTE pop mythos as, spoiler warning, muppets take manhattan?
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #36 Review (1631012)
Posted by SW's SilverHammer on December 17th, 2014 @ 7:09pm CST
Is rocky horror now as much part of MTMTE pop mythos as, spoiler warning, The Muppets Take Manhattan and Zulu?
Posted by SW's SilverHammer on December 17th, 2014 @ 7:09pm CST
Va'al wrote:SW's SilverHammer wrote:Va'al wrote:SW's SilverHammer wrote:ctrlFrequency wrote:Let's do the time warp again!!!!
With your hands on your hips!
And your knees in tight!
But it's the pelvic thrust ,That really drives you insa-a-a-a-ne.
Let's..
Is rocky horror now as much part of MTMTE pop mythos as, spoiler warning, The Muppets Take Manhattan and Zulu?
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #36 Review (1631014)
Posted by ctrlFrequency on December 17th, 2014 @ 7:21pm CST
Posted by ctrlFrequency on December 17th, 2014 @ 7:21pm CST
Ah good memories....
And I think RHPS just might be, yes.
And I think RHPS just might be, yes.
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #36 Review (1631128)
Posted by Va'al on December 18th, 2014 @ 2:08am CST
Posted by Va'al on December 18th, 2014 @ 2:08am CST
Is it not part of everything? If not, why?
I'm pretty sure Roberts sees us all shivering with antici..
I'm pretty sure Roberts sees us all shivering with antici..
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #36 Review (1631172)
Posted by ctrlFrequency on December 18th, 2014 @ 7:40am CST
Posted by ctrlFrequency on December 18th, 2014 @ 7:40am CST
'Tici....
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #36 Review (1631195)
Posted by Madeus Prime on December 18th, 2014 @ 9:16am CST
Well, the Roller theory suits me fine, but couldn't Tarn also be Dominus Ambus? He's supposed to be Minimus' "brother" yeah? Well perhaps he's a loadbearer too and Tarn is a suit, just like Magnus. It'd be just as much a punch to the stomach for Rewind, let alone us.
And that ship might be another reference to the Necrobot.
But I can't help it, Adorable Whirl is Adorable.
Posted by Madeus Prime on December 18th, 2014 @ 9:16am CST
ctrlFrequency wrote:Va'al wrote:I'm not sure all quirks are accounted for, yet.
Addiction to transforming - only really the one scene in this issue where it happens.
Blind devotion to Megatron's writing - probably being set up in this issue, with Pax recommending it to Roller.
Music/sound/spark manipulation stuff - not much in terms of that yet.
Point one percenter - yes, that's there.
The shape sort of fits, too. And the March solicits bring the DJD back to the fore, too.
I love speculation.
There's totally plenty of time to build the not present traits into Roller to make him Tarn. That's why I can see it. Of course, who knows, we could be wrong and Rollers dead. But there's always that 'who knows what happens to him after that scene ends'. Since we really don't know who was up in that ship hovering up above the field.
Well, the Roller theory suits me fine, but couldn't Tarn also be Dominus Ambus? He's supposed to be Minimus' "brother" yeah? Well perhaps he's a loadbearer too and Tarn is a suit, just like Magnus. It'd be just as much a punch to the stomach for Rewind, let alone us.
And that ship might be another reference to the Necrobot.
But I can't help it, Adorable Whirl is Adorable.
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #36 Review (1631198)
Posted by Nemesis Maximo on December 18th, 2014 @ 9:47am CST
With Dominus, at least as far as the new, altered history is concerned, Dominus is a victim of advanced Empurata/Shadowplay, which leads me to believe his importance lies elsewhere. Not saying you're wrong, just that I don't agree yet, based on what we do know.
As for the Necrobot, why would he want to destroy a bunch of "unborn" sparks? What little we've seen of it hasn't shown a capacity for violence, just an obsession with death. (Then again, neither has it shown us anything to the contrary.) To me, being obsessed with death is different than having a thirst for blood Energon. Now again, not saying you're wrong, just speculating.
Posted by Nemesis Maximo on December 18th, 2014 @ 9:47am CST
Madeus Prime wrote:ctrlFrequency wrote:Va'al wrote:I'm not sure all quirks are accounted for, yet.
Addiction to transforming - only really the one scene in this issue where it happens.
Blind devotion to Megatron's writing - probably being set up in this issue, with Pax recommending it to Roller.
Music/sound/spark manipulation stuff - not much in terms of that yet.
Point one percenter - yes, that's there.
The shape sort of fits, too. And the March solicits bring the DJD back to the fore, too.
I love speculation.
There's totally plenty of time to build the not present traits into Roller to make him Tarn. That's why I can see it. Of course, who knows, we could be wrong and Rollers dead. But there's always that 'who knows what happens to him after that scene ends'. Since we really don't know who was up in that ship hovering up above the field.
Well, the Roller theory suits me fine, but couldn't Tarn also be Dominus Ambus? He's supposed to be Minimus' "brother" yeah? Well perhaps he's a loadbearer too and Tarn is a suit, just like Magnus. It'd be just as much a punch to the stomach for Rewind, let alone us.
And that ship might be another reference to the Necrobot.
With Dominus, at least as far as the new, altered history is concerned, Dominus is a victim of advanced Empurata/Shadowplay, which leads me to believe his importance lies elsewhere. Not saying you're wrong, just that I don't agree yet, based on what we do know.
As for the Necrobot, why would he want to destroy a bunch of "unborn" sparks? What little we've seen of it hasn't shown a capacity for violence, just an obsession with death. (Then again, neither has it shown us anything to the contrary.) To me, being obsessed with death is different than having a thirst for blood Energon. Now again, not saying you're wrong, just speculating.
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #36 Review (1631206)
Posted by Madeus Prime on December 18th, 2014 @ 10:06am CST
True, very true.
Posted by Madeus Prime on December 18th, 2014 @ 10:06am CST
Nemesis Maximo wrote:Madeus Prime wrote:ctrlFrequency wrote:Va'al wrote:I'm not sure all quirks are accounted for, yet.
Addiction to transforming - only really the one scene in this issue where it happens.
Blind devotion to Megatron's writing - probably being set up in this issue, with Pax recommending it to Roller.
Music/sound/spark manipulation stuff - not much in terms of that yet.
Point one percenter - yes, that's there.
The shape sort of fits, too. And the March solicits bring the DJD back to the fore, too.
I love speculation.
There's totally plenty of time to build the not present traits into Roller to make him Tarn. That's why I can see it. Of course, who knows, we could be wrong and Rollers dead. But there's always that 'who knows what happens to him after that scene ends'. Since we really don't know who was up in that ship hovering up above the field.
Well, the Roller theory suits me fine, but couldn't Tarn also be Dominus Ambus? He's supposed to be Minimus' "brother" yeah? Well perhaps he's a loadbearer too and Tarn is a suit, just like Magnus. It'd be just as much a punch to the stomach for Rewind, let alone us.
And that ship might be another reference to the Necrobot.
With Dominus, at least as far as the new, altered history is concerned, Dominus is a victim of advanced Empurata/Shadowplay, which leads me to believe his importance lies elsewhere. Not saying you're wrong, just that I don't agree yet, based on what we do know.
As for the Necrobot, why would he want to destroy a bunch of "unborn" sparks? What little we've seen of it hasn't shown a capacity for violence, just an obsession with death. (Then again, neither has it shown us anything to the contrary.) To me, being obsessed with death is different than having a thirst for blood Energon. Now again, not saying you're wrong, just speculating.
True, very true.
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #36 Review (1631219)
Posted by ScottyP on December 18th, 2014 @ 10:53am CST
Posted by ScottyP on December 18th, 2014 @ 10:53am CST
I really have a love/hate thing going on with this issue. As a standalone, love it - great character interactions and a fun plotline. As part of the whole? Unless I missed something, I don't see how this really did much. Which probably means that I missed a lot of somethings and will realize that in about five issues time.
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #36 Review (1631271)
Posted by Nemesis Maximo on December 18th, 2014 @ 1:57pm CST
Don't worry, Scotty. The only thing you really missed was the entire discussion where we basically agreed with what you just said.
But seriously, that's not an uncommon consensus; good read, little progress.
Posted by Nemesis Maximo on December 18th, 2014 @ 1:57pm CST
ScottyP wrote:I really have a love/hate thing going on with this issue. As a standalone, love it - great character interactions and a fun plotline. As part of the whole? Unless I missed something, I don't see how this really did much. Which probably means that I missed a lot of somethings and will realize that in about five issues time.
Don't worry, Scotty. The only thing you really missed was the entire discussion where we basically agreed with what you just said.
But seriously, that's not an uncommon consensus; good read, little progress.
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #36 Review (1631314)
Posted by skyshadowprimus on December 18th, 2014 @ 3:50pm CST
Posted by skyshadowprimus on December 18th, 2014 @ 3:50pm CST
Been a long while since I posted and apologies if this is a given but no one seems to have picked this up.
When they did the whole memory thing to ensure the timeline wasn't corrupted it wiped all of the memories of people they targeted for want of a better word and not to spoil the story.
Well this would have meant when they came to and Roller was missing they would have had no memory of him and may well have left him however his memory would be intact and would have a burning memory of being abandoned by those he considered friends. This could well have lead him into being disenfranchised enough to consider the Decepticon dogma?
It certainly throws up more paradoxes etc as if Roller is Tarn then this means the crews meddling has enabled the very situation that allowed them to chase Brainstorm in the first place with the DJD killing everyone, sort of like a self fulfilling prophecy.
Thoughts?
When they did the whole memory thing to ensure the timeline wasn't corrupted it wiped all of the memories of people they targeted for want of a better word and not to spoil the story.
Well this would have meant when they came to and Roller was missing they would have had no memory of him and may well have left him however his memory would be intact and would have a burning memory of being abandoned by those he considered friends. This could well have lead him into being disenfranchised enough to consider the Decepticon dogma?
It certainly throws up more paradoxes etc as if Roller is Tarn then this means the crews meddling has enabled the very situation that allowed them to chase Brainstorm in the first place with the DJD killing everyone, sort of like a self fulfilling prophecy.
Thoughts?
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #36 Review (1631317)
Posted by SW's SilverHammer on December 18th, 2014 @ 3:56pm CST
Posted by SW's SilverHammer on December 18th, 2014 @ 3:56pm CST
Any one notice roller's in a similar pose of crushing someones head with his bare hands, as that of Tarn crushing Swerves head in the "Slaughter-Hause"?
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #36 Review (1631318)
Posted by Va'al on December 18th, 2014 @ 3:56pm CST
Posted by Va'al on December 18th, 2014 @ 3:56pm CST
Oooooooooooooh I like that.
Fodder for speculation, yes. Good. Gooooood.
Fodder for speculation, yes. Good. Gooooood.
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #36 Review (1631319)
Posted by SW's SilverHammer on December 18th, 2014 @ 4:00pm CST
Va'al, you forgot this
Posted by SW's SilverHammer on December 18th, 2014 @ 4:00pm CST
Va'al wrote:Oooooooooooooh I like that.
Fodder for speculation, yes. Good. Gooooood.
Va'al, you forgot this
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #36 Review (1631322)
Posted by Va'al on December 18th, 2014 @ 4:06pm CST
Posted by Va'al on December 18th, 2014 @ 4:06pm CST
SW's SilverHammer wrote:Va'al wrote:Oooooooooooooh I like that.
Fodder for speculation, yes. Good. Gooooood.
Va'al, you forgot this
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #36 Review (1631324)
Posted by sabrigami on December 18th, 2014 @ 4:07pm CST
Posted by sabrigami on December 18th, 2014 @ 4:07pm CST
When Roller was getting shot his left eye got tagged as well. And Tarn has damage on his left eye... These theories are giving me so much to ponder about 
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #36 Review (1631370)
Posted by Gekas on December 18th, 2014 @ 6:51pm CST
I was finally able to catch up on all Transformers comics today, so now no more fear of spoilers from the forums!
It's interesting you say that, but I always thought Roller got turned into Shockwave. However, I just went back to read Shadowplay and I was very wrong. Then the dialogue of Orion explaining who Megatron is to Roller might have been what lead him to adore Megatron so much that he started calling himself Tarn? That is assuming that in the original timeline Orion talked to Roller about Megatron.
I really liked this issue despite it not having that much progress, there was a lot of content that Roberts gave us here. Based off the way Rodimus interacted with Trailbreaker I guess it's safe to assume Kaon did kill him??? I know this was brought up in issue 34's thread, but it was never obvious if Kaon crushed the brain, took it with him or left it on the ground for the others to recover.
I personally like how Roberts approached this, it's leaving everything into the air with a bunch of teasing. Also, the Whirl and Rodimus discussion about Brainstorm's lab was absolutely hilarious.
Posted by Gekas on December 18th, 2014 @ 6:51pm CST
SW's SilverHammer wrote:Any one notice roller's in a similar pose of crushing someones head with his bare hands, as that of Tarn crushing Swerves head in the "Slaughter-Hause"?
I was finally able to catch up on all Transformers comics today, so now no more fear of spoilers from the forums!
It's interesting you say that, but I always thought Roller got turned into Shockwave. However, I just went back to read Shadowplay and I was very wrong. Then the dialogue of Orion explaining who Megatron is to Roller might have been what lead him to adore Megatron so much that he started calling himself Tarn? That is assuming that in the original timeline Orion talked to Roller about Megatron.
I really liked this issue despite it not having that much progress, there was a lot of content that Roberts gave us here. Based off the way Rodimus interacted with Trailbreaker I guess it's safe to assume Kaon did kill him??? I know this was brought up in issue 34's thread, but it was never obvious if Kaon crushed the brain, took it with him or left it on the ground for the others to recover.
I personally like how Roberts approached this, it's leaving everything into the air with a bunch of teasing. Also, the Whirl and Rodimus discussion about Brainstorm's lab was absolutely hilarious.
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #36 Review (1631401)
Posted by ctrlFrequency on December 18th, 2014 @ 9:01pm CST
I wondered where you were hiding, John!
They pretty much pronounced Trailbreaker dead in #35. So all our hopes of him not being killed by Kaon are gone. I was really hoping that Chromedome would not wipe his memory so he could remember what Rodimus said, cause I'd like Trailbreaker back, but I can understand why Chromey did it. Even one person left with the memories could be a problem.
But then I guess the Lost Light crew all figured Roller was dead.
I just don't think that Roberts was trying to hide it... I really do think that Roller is Tarn. He has an addictive personality, a few physical similarities and well, frankly, previously we never were privy to what happened to Roller (where we?).
Edited because I typed Tarn instead of Kaon yesterday, yeah, I could have left it, but catching that as I scrolled past bugged the heck out of me :/
Posted by ctrlFrequency on December 18th, 2014 @ 9:01pm CST
John Stamoist wrote:SW's SilverHammer wrote:Any one notice roller's in a similar pose of crushing someones head with his bare hands, as that of Tarn crushing Swerves head in the "Slaughter-Hause"?
I was finally able to catch up on all Transformers comics today, so now no more fear of spoilers from the forums!
It's interesting you say that, but I always thought Roller got turned into Shockwave. However, I just went back to read Shadowplay and I was very wrong. Then the dialogue of Orion explaining who Megatron is to Roller might have been what lead him to adore Megatron so much that he started calling himself Tarn? That is assuming that in the original timeline Orion talked to Roller about Megatron.
I really liked this issue despite it not having that much progress, there was a lot of content that Roberts gave us here. Based off the way Rodimus interacted with Trailbreaker I guess it's safe to assume Kaon did kill him??? I know this was brought up in issue 34's thread, but it was never obvious if Kaon crushed the brain, took it with him or left it on the ground for the others to recover.
I personally like how Roberts approached this, it's leaving everything into the air with a bunch of teasing. Also, the Whirl and Rodimus discussion about Brainstorm's lab was absolutely hilarious.
I wondered where you were hiding, John!
They pretty much pronounced Trailbreaker dead in #35. So all our hopes of him not being killed by Kaon are gone. I was really hoping that Chromedome would not wipe his memory so he could remember what Rodimus said, cause I'd like Trailbreaker back, but I can understand why Chromey did it. Even one person left with the memories could be a problem.
But then I guess the Lost Light crew all figured Roller was dead.
I just don't think that Roberts was trying to hide it... I really do think that Roller is Tarn. He has an addictive personality, a few physical similarities and well, frankly, previously we never were privy to what happened to Roller (where we?).
Edited because I typed Tarn instead of Kaon yesterday, yeah, I could have left it, but catching that as I scrolled past bugged the heck out of me :/
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #36 Review (1631404)
Posted by sabrigami on December 18th, 2014 @ 9:21pm CST
I think it was an accident that Trailbreaker got his memory wiped too. I think Chromey was going to avoid him but Trailbreaker shook his hand on his own. taking the initiative to saying goodbye and shake hands with Chromey as he was hesitating (TB is pretty friendly). Chromey looks kinda shocked and sad when TB is shaking his hand too.
Posted by sabrigami on December 18th, 2014 @ 9:21pm CST
ctrlFrequency wrote:I was really hoping that Chromedome would not wipe his memory so he could remember what Rodimus said, cause I'd like Trailbreaker back, but I can understand why Chromey did it. Even one person left with the memories could be a problem.
But then I guess the Lost Light crew all figured Roller was dead.
I think it was an accident that Trailbreaker got his memory wiped too. I think Chromey was going to avoid him but Trailbreaker shook his hand on his own. taking the initiative to saying goodbye and shake hands with Chromey as he was hesitating (TB is pretty friendly). Chromey looks kinda shocked and sad when TB is shaking his hand too.
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #36 Review (1631407)
Posted by ctrlFrequency on December 18th, 2014 @ 9:31pm CST
Posted by ctrlFrequency on December 18th, 2014 @ 9:31pm CST
True... I hadn't thought of it that way.
