IDW Transformers comic book artist Andrew Griffith shows off Combiner Wars Art

Perhaps I'm in the minority, but I really liked that "bruiser" build for Arcee.

Dark Ops wrote:Perhaps I'm in the minority, but I really liked that "bruiser" build for Arcee.

You're not in my opinion. Andrew did some great things with that FOC design in RiD.

I do appreciate Alpha Bravo in the back very much.

Damn, somebody get Arcee a beer...

Its good to see Alpha Bravo where he belongs...

Rated X wrote:Damn, somebody get Arcee a beer...

Its good to see Alpha Bravo where he belongs...

As a comrade and companion?

Rated X wrote:Damn, somebody get Arcee a beer...

Its good to see Alpha Bravo where he belongs...

It's good to see people that want to be treated like adults but act like 5 year olds...

This is just a response to people who say that Combiner Wars is dumb because they are making non-combiner characters into combiners.

Like Optibotimus says, he loves G1, but he is not a G-whiner. I am the same way, and I think we all should be the same way. Sure it is great to get a figure that is very close to G1, (like Generations Arcee for example), it sparks our nostalgia! But if transformers keeps with the same formula, where is the creativity? Kids aren't interested in the same characters and formulas over and over, and neither am I. Hasbro, IDW, Takara, all of them want change, and so do I. We need something fresh, sure we have the classic old characters like Optimus, Bumblebee, and Megatron, but what is wrong with some new versions of characters? I don't mind a combining Ironhide, Cyclonus or Prowl, it makes it interesting!

So that's my two cents, bring it on haters!

Rated X wrote:Damn, somebody get Arcee a beer...

Its good to see Alpha Bravo where he belongs...

As a fully fledged member of the Aerialbots who can sub in at a moments notice?

I love the Aerialbots drawing! And I really, really hope some 3P makes an add on that allows Alpha Bravo to become a backpack or another weapon or something!
Personally, when I get Quickslingshot, I'll stick him on Superion for symmetry and get a badass loner cape for Alpha Bravo, maybe I'll have him wield Powerglide too

And that's the one thing I don't get.

Why is there so much hate towards Alpha Bravo, but people are perfectly fine with Powerglide being an Aerialbot, when he wasn't an Aerialbot back in the day?

SillySpringer wrote:This is just a response to people who say that Combiner Wars is dumb because they are making non-combiner characters into combiners.

Like Optibotimus says, he loves G1, but he is not a G-whiner. I am the same way, and I think we all should be the same way. Sure it is great to get a figure that is very close to G1, (like Generations Arcee for example), it sparks our nostalgia! But if transformers keeps with the same formula, where is the creativity? Kids aren't interested in the same characters and formulas over and over, and neither am I. Hasbro, IDW, Takara, all of them want change, and so do I. We need something fresh, sure we have the classic old characters like Optimus, Bumblebee, and Megatron, but what is wrong with some new versions of characters? I don't mind a combining Ironhide, Cyclonus or Prowl, it makes it interesting!

So that's my two cents, bring it on haters!

I agree to a lot of what you said except that Optibotimus is not a g-whiner. He is a perfect example of a GEEWUN/G-whiner. He has superion mistransformed just so it looks like the cartoon model because "that looks better" he complains on a regular basis on reviews to a point where I don't watch him anymore.

Burn wrote:And that's the one thing I don't get.

Why is there so much hate towards Alpha Bravo, but people are perfectly fine with Powerglide being an Aerialbot, when he wasn't an Aerialbot back in the day?

Because he's a helicopter and to some crybabies that's heracy. Just like how a truck(off-road) shouldn't be with stunticons.Yet no one has a problem with a semi truck being part of a group of stunt cars or a space shuttle with military vehicles.

Randomhero wrote:

Burn wrote:And that's the one thing I don't get.

Why is there so much hate towards Alpha Bravo, but people are perfectly fine with Powerglide being an Aerialbot, when he wasn't an Aerialbot back in the day?

Because he's a helicopter and to some crybabies that's heracy. Just like how a truck(off-road) shouldn't be with stunticons.Yet no one has a problem with a semi truck being part of a group of stunt cars or a space shuttle with military vehicles.

Or the technobots it's being a cluster of nonsense vehicles.

Randomhero wrote:

SillySpringer wrote:This is just a response to people who say that Combiner Wars is dumb because they are making non-combiner characters into combiners.

Like Optibotimus says, he loves G1, but he is not a G-whiner. I am the same way, and I think we all should be the same way. Sure it is great to get a figure that is very close to G1, (like Generations Arcee for example), it sparks our nostalgia! But if transformers keeps with the same formula, where is the creativity? Kids aren't interested in the same characters and formulas over and over, and neither am I. Hasbro, IDW, Takara, all of them want change, and so do I. We need something fresh, sure we have the classic old characters like Optimus, Bumblebee, and Megatron, but what is wrong with some new versions of characters? I don't mind a combining Ironhide, Cyclonus or Prowl, it makes it interesting!

So that's my two cents, bring it on haters!

I agree to a lot of what you said except that Optibotimus is not a g-whiner. He is a perfect example of a GEEWUN/G-whiner. He has superion mistransformed just so it looks like the cartoon model because "that looks better" he complains on a regular basis on reviews to a point where I don't watch him anymore.

But do you watch his Bayverse toy reviews? The review of Superion, although I agree, he did get annoying, but it is supposed to look like an updated g1 combiner. He is perfectly fine with the other transformers shows and stuff, like transformers Prime, and the movies, but when it is supposed to be a G1 combiner in the cartoon, then he wants to make it look as close to the g1 toy as possible that he had as a kid. The think I am worried about though, is whether or not he'll complain about a combining Ironhide and Cyclonus or not.

Randomhero wrote:

Randomhero wrote:

Burn wrote:And that's the one thing I don't get.

Why is there so much hate towards Alpha Bravo, but people are perfectly fine with Powerglide being an Aerialbot, when he wasn't an Aerialbot back in the day?

Because he's a helicopter and to some crybabies that's heracy. Just like how a truck(off-road) shouldn't be with stunticons.Yet no one has a problem with a semi truck being part of a group of stunt cars or a space shuttle with military vehicles.

Or the technobots it's being a cluster of nonsense vehicles.

I still don't get why Blastoff was a space shuttle.

Because Space Shuttles ... Blast Off?

Burn wrote:Because Space Shuttles ... Blast Off?

I mean why was he a Combaticon? Are space shuttles combat vehicles?

SillySpringer wrote:

Randomhero wrote:

SillySpringer wrote:This is just a response to people who say that Combiner Wars is dumb because they are making non-combiner characters into combiners.

Like Optibotimus says, he loves G1, but he is not a G-whiner. I am the same way, and I think we all should be the same way. Sure it is great to get a figure that is very close to G1, (like Generations Arcee for example), it sparks our nostalgia! But if transformers keeps with the same formula, where is the creativity? Kids aren't interested in the same characters and formulas over and over, and neither am I. Hasbro, IDW, Takara, all of them want change, and so do I. We need something fresh, sure we have the classic old characters like Optimus, Bumblebee, and Megatron, but what is wrong with some new versions of characters? I don't mind a combining Ironhide, Cyclonus or Prowl, it makes it interesting!

So that's my two cents, bring it on haters!

I agree to a lot of what you said except that Optibotimus is not a g-whiner. He is a perfect example of a GEEWUN/G-whiner. He has superion mistransformed just so it looks like the cartoon model because "that looks better" he complains on a regular basis on reviews to a point where I don't watch him anymore.

But do you watch his Bayverse toy reviews? The review of Superion, although I agree, he did get annoying, but it is supposed to look like an updated g1 combiner. He is perfectly fine with the other transformers shows and stuff, like transformers Prime, and the movies, but when it is supposed to be a G1 combiner in the cartoon, then he wants to make it look as close to the g1 toy as possible that he had as a kid. The think I am worried about though, is whether or not he'll complain about a combining Ironhide and Cyclonus or not.

He's too critical of toys and he will complain about the whole 84 guys(ironhide prowl sunstreaker mirage) combining, I guarantee it. But I don't watch them anymore because he's too critical...and because his lighting set up is atrocious. So many people have said his reviews would be better if he tones down the lighting and he responds with "I don't care what you think" I personally have gotten that response. Even when he was asking for opinions when he changed the lighting! I tried watching the Quickslinger review and you couldn't see the damn toy!

And if you don't wanna read the comics fine but go to tfwiki and look up the summary at least. Sounds like an idiot when he says "I don't read the comic so I don't know anything about this and don't tell me in the comments about it because I don't care"

I apologize, it's just annoying and I've just decided I'm not giving him my views because it's kind of unprofessional on how he views some stuff.

SillySpringer wrote:his awesome opinion with which I agree with

Go get'm lil tiger!

Edit: Except the Optibotimus part. His voice is like a swarm of bees in my ear.

SillySpringer wrote:

Burn wrote:Because Space Shuttles ... Blast Off?

I mean why was he a Combaticon? Are space shuttles combat vehicles?

Space Shuttles were cool back then.

Burn wrote:

SillySpringer wrote:

Burn wrote:Because Space Shuttles ... Blast Off?

I mean why was he a Combaticon? Are space shuttles combat vehicles?

Space Shuttles were cool back then.

It was the 80s, it didn't have to make sense. He was there to diversify the toys and that's basically it.

Burn wrote:

SillySpringer wrote:

Burn wrote:Because Space Shuttles ... Blast Off?

I mean why was he a Combaticon? Are space shuttles combat vehicles?

Space Shuttles were cool back then.

Space shuttles are still cool.

SW's SilverHammer wrote:

Burn wrote:

SillySpringer wrote:

Burn wrote:Because Space Shuttles ... Blast Off?

I mean why was he a Combaticon? Are space shuttles combat vehicles?

Space Shuttles were cool back then.

Space shuttles are still cool.

Heck ya!

So are helicopters...

Randomhero wrote:So are helicopters...

Heck ya!

Cobotron wrote:

SillySpringer wrote:his awesome opinion with which I agree with

Go get'm lil tiger!

Edit: Except the Optibotimus part. His voice is like a swarm of bees in my ear.

I know Optibotimus gets irritating sometimes, but I'm perfectly fine with watching a new review from him for help with the transformation. Hey! Why don't we complain about Baltmatrix complaining about lack of paint in EVERY SINGLE REVIEW! -_-

Back to combiner wars, please.

Edit: I agree Optibotimus needs to tone down with the lighting, if I watch him for too long, my eyes start to hurt!

I'm the exact opposite. I won't watch the transformation in reviews, I skip them. I feel it ruins the fun when I get them.

Randomhero wrote:I'm the exact opposite. I won't watch the transformation in reviews, I skip them. I feel it ruins the fun when I get them.

I don't like to watch reviews too many times, because of that very reason. But sometimes, the instructions don't explain something properly, so watching a review is very helpful.

BACK TO COMBINER WARS!

SillySpringer wrote:

Cobotron wrote:

SillySpringer wrote:his awesome opinion with which I agree with

Go get'm lil tiger!

Edit: Except the Optibotimus part. His voice is like a swarm of bees in my ear.

I know Optibotimus gets irritating sometimes, but I'm perfectly fine with watching a new review from him for help with the transformation. Hey! Why don't we complain about Baltmatrix complaining about lack of paint in EVERY SINGLE REVIEW! -_-

Back to combiner wars, please.

Edit: I agree Optibotimus needs to tone down with the lighting, if I watch him for too long, my eyes start to hurt!

Wow ... you continue being off-topic, then try to get everyone back on-topic, while following it up with more off-topicness.

Just tone it down already kid. You do not need to reply to every single post!

She would look good next to Generations Springer. Would buy this but it will never get made .

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DEANO85 wrote:She would look good next to Generations Springer. Would buy this but it will never get made .

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*cough* mmc azalea *cough*

Burn wrote:

Rated X wrote:Damn, somebody get Arcee a beer...

Its good to see Alpha Bravo where he belongs...

As a fully fledged member of the Aerialbots who can sub in at a moments notice?

Yup. I currently have Superion assembled in his standard formation with Firefly (I used to call him that as a kid anyway so I'm sticking with it) and Slingshot (Quickslinger just doesn't sound right to me, but I'm cool with anyone who likes the update) as the right and left arms respectively holding their pistols in a gunslinger pose. I call it Gunslinger Mode (but maybe I should call it Quickslinger Mode). And Alpha Bravo is standing in front of Superion holding his weapons and looking all "We're totally gonna kick some a--!"

Burn wrote:And that's the one thing I don't get.

Why is there so much hate towards Alpha Bravo, but people are perfectly fine with Powerglide being an Aerialbot, when he wasn't an Aerialbot back in the day?

I wanted Powerglide to be a deluxe limb option instead of a minibot targetmaster. Then I'd have two alternate limbs. And I'd be perfectly happy if Powerglide came with the same rifle and hand/foot/gun as AB.

Why attack Optibotimus? You'd think he'd been through enough already with Grim......https://youtu.be/wJW8rLNicGM

Burn wrote:And that's the one thing I don't get.

Why is there so much hate towards Alpha Bravo, but people are perfectly fine with Powerglide being an Aerialbot, when he wasn't an Aerialbot back in the day?

I don't consider Powerglide an Aerialbot, though. It's much easier to ignore Powerglide as a gun and supposed Aerialbot since he's not making a limb or anything else integral to Superion. He's an extra, not taking anyone's place, and a fairly popular existing G1 character in his own right.

But with Alpha Bravo, unless you got in on the non mass retail Quickslinger, you're stuck with AB sitting there taunting you with his presence as not Slingshot, if you're a Slingshot/proper G1 Superion fan.

Some people don't care. Good for them. Others of us do. We have as much right to our opinion of AB as anyone else. For me, he's just part of Ultra Prime's motley crew of random misfits that don't fit else where (for now mainly that means he serves as stilts along with Off Road for Optimus while Huffer shields his chest and Bombshell attaches to his gun, meanwhile, he's just got stubby little OP arms... LOL)

SillySpringer wrote:

Burn wrote:Because Space Shuttles ... Blast Off?

I mean why was he a Combaticon? Are space shuttles combat vehicles?

They launch military satellites, I guess.

Aren't astronauts part of the military somehow? Major Nelson and Major Healy were astronauts and in the military anyway, good enough for me.

Burn wrote:

SillySpringer wrote:

Burn wrote:Because Space Shuttles ... Blast Off?

I mean why was he a Combaticon? Are space shuttles combat vehicles?

Space Shuttles were cool back then.

I know, Astrotrain is my favourite

Optimum Supreme wrote:I don't consider Powerglide an Aerialbot, though. It's much easier to ignore Powerglide as a gun and supposed Aerialbot since he's not making a limb or anything else integral to Superion. He's an extra, not taking anyone's place, and a fairly popular existing G1 character in his own right.

The way I see it though, Alpha Bravo has been shoe-horned in as an Aerialbot, just as Powerglide has.

So I don't get why some people have so much hate towards Alpha Bravo for being introduced as an Aerialbot, when the exact same thing has been done to Powerglide but those same people don't seem to mention him. If people are going to hate on Alpha Bravo, then hate on Powerglide as well, he was NEVER an Aerialbot.

Optimum Supreme wrote:

Burn wrote:And that's the one thing I don't get.

Why is there so much hate towards Alpha Bravo, but people are perfectly fine with Powerglide being an Aerialbot, when he wasn't an Aerialbot back in the day?

I don't consider Powerglide an Aerialbot, though. It's much easier to ignore Powerglide as a gun and supposed Aerialbot since he's not making a limb or anything else integral to Superion. He's an extra, not taking anyone's place, and a fairly popular existing G1 character in his own right.

But with Alpha Bravo, unless you got in on the non mass retail Quickslinger, you're stuck with AB sitting there taunting you with his presence as not Slingshot, if you're a Slingshot/proper G1 Superion fan.

Some people don't care. Good for them. Others of us do. We have as much right to our opinion of AB as anyone else.

+ don't forget AB's repaint as Blades as one of the Protectobots! & maybe even a repaint/retool as Combaticon Vortex.

Stuartmaximus wrote:+ don't forget AB's repaint as Blades as one of the Protectobots! & maybe even a repaint/retool as Combaticon Vortex.

I am honestly not sure what point you are trying to make with this statement. Could you please clarify?

SW's SilverHammer wrote:

DEANO85 wrote:She would look good next to Generations Springer. Would buy this but it will never get made .

*cough* mmc azalea *cough*[/quote]

With the darker legs I missed the whole azalea vibe but thanks for pointing it out

Jeez... another thread I've fallen behind on?

Burn wrote:The way I see it though, Alpha Bravo has been shoe-horned in as an Aerialbot, just as Powerglide has.

So I don't get why some people have so much hate towards Alpha Bravo for being introduced as an Aerialbot, when the exact same thing has been done to Powerglide but those same people don't seem to mention him. If people are going to hate on Alpha Bravo, then hate on Powerglide as well, he was NEVER an Aerialbot.

I think the lack of uproar over Powerglide is that he can be easily ignored. I don't feel the figure sacrificed anything to incorporate the gun mode, they didn't "Blackjack" him by making an integral part, and you can just easily sit him with the other Legends mini-bots instead of having Superion man-handle him.

And now my favorite reads while catching up on the thread!

Randomhero wrote:Or the technobots it's being a cluster of nonsense vehicles.

Cobotron wrote:His voice is like a swarm of bees in my ear.

shajaki wrote:Jeez... another thread I've fallen behind on?

Stay off the golf course then!

Okay, I know this is in relation to about an hour (and 26 posts) ago, but Space Shuttles as military vehicles?

Randomhero wrote:

Rated X wrote:Damn, somebody get Arcee a beer...

Its good to see Alpha Bravo where he belongs...

It's good to see people that want to be treated like adults but act like 5 year olds...

I dont get the logic behind your reply. It has absolutely nothing to do with the content of my original comment. So I guess Ill just label it as a random comment by randomhero.

Burn wrote:And that's the one thing I don't get.

Why is there so much hate towards Alpha Bravo, but people are perfectly fine with Powerglide being an Aerialbot, when he wasn't an Aerialbot back in the day?

Powerglide isnt an aerialbot. That is unless you care about a bio on the back of a card written in 3 languages. I never even tried the gun mode. Never will, its dumb looking. Superion already comes with a gun.

But to entertain your statement, ill say this...Hasbro didnt paint powerglide to resemble an aerielbot and shove him down our throats. Powerglide is OPTIONAL and always was. Alpha Bravo wasnt always optional. Thankfully now he is.

Ill even go out on a limb (pun intended) and say slingshot was always planned after the alpha bravo scandal. Look at the wings of an AV-8 Harrier vs. the wings of an F-4 Phantom. The wings angle down from the top of the Harrier just like the Fireflight mold. Even the tail resembles a Harrier more than a Phantom. So in reality the mold was meant to be slingshot. Fireflight is the repaint.

Rated X wrote:

Burn wrote:And that's the one thing I don't get.

Why is there so much hate towards Alpha Bravo, but people are perfectly fine with Powerglide being an Aerialbot, when he wasn't an Aerialbot back in the day?

Powerglide isnt an aerialbot. That is unless you care about a bio on the back of a card written in 3 languages. I never even tried the gun mode. Never will, its dumb looking. Superion already comes with a gun.

But to entertain your statement, ill say this...Hasbro didnt paint powerglide to resemble an aerielbot and shove him down our throats. Powerglide is OPTIONAL and always was. Alpha Bravo wasnt always optional. Thankfully now he is.

Ill even go out on a limb (pun intended) and say slingshot was always planned after the alpha bravo scandal. Look at the wings of an AV-8 Harrier vs. the wings of an F-4 Phantom. The wings angle down from the top of the Harrier just like the Fireflight mold. Even the tail resembles a Harrier more than a Phantom. So in reality the mold was meant to be slingshot. Fireflight is the repaint.

So then logically hasbro planned to release Slingshot anyway. Alpha bravo is and was always meant to be his own dude. So there is no beef. Also if you look at my picture of the two, there are actually allot of differences between the two's color pallets, maps, and hues.

Randomhero wrote:I'm the exact opposite. I won't watch the transformation in reviews, I skip them. I feel it ruins the fun when I get them.

I usually dont watch reviews until I have the figure in hand. I use the review as the instructions. Especially for complex 3rd party stuff. If someone is going to break their figure treating it like some kind of puzzle, it wont be me I let the reviewers take one for the team and figure out the hard stuff. My satisfaction comes from displaying it on my shelf, not figuring it out on my own.

Agamemnon wrote:Okay, I know this is in relation to about an hour (and 26 posts) ago, but Space Shuttles as military vehicles?

Military application. Yes. Even possible unmanned offensive capabilities. Ain't the military industrial complex great (and DARPA too)?

SW's SilverHammer wrote:

Burn wrote:

SillySpringer wrote:

Burn wrote:Because Space Shuttles ... Blast Off?

I mean why was he a Combaticon? Are space shuttles combat vehicles?

Space Shuttles were cool back then.

Space shuttles are still cool.

Is that why they are now decommissioned from Nasa?

shajaki wrote:And now my favorite reads while catching up on the thread!

Randomhero wrote:Or the technobots it's being a cluster of nonsense vehicles.

Cobotron wrote:His voice is like a swarm of bees in my ear.

Those were my favourite lines from my thread catch up as well. And I agree to both though I am happy for the first and in auditory recovery therapy for the second.
I find Sharktimus Prime pretty funny and the best is Thew, by far.

Randomhero wrote:I'm the exact opposite. I won't watch the transformation in reviews, I skip them. I feel it ruins the fun when I get them.

So do I. Same reason I dont like redecos and retools too much. My favourite part of this hobby is figuring out a new transformation and that aspect is removed from me with each redeco to a mold I already have. I know the answer is to simply not buy them (and I wont, as is the case with the upcoming 84 bot limbs), but I would of course feel more inclined to buy more products if they were not repeating molds.

Rated X wrote:Hasbro didnt paint powerglide to resemble an aerielbot and shove him down our throats.

Hasbro didn't paint Alpha Bravo to resemble an Aerialbot either. His colors aren't Silngshot's colors. Slingshot was white and red, not white and orange.

"White and orange" belongs to Evac, not Slingshot. So there you go. Alpha Bravo can be a CHUG Evac with a new name.

shajaki wrote:Jeez... another thread I've fallen behind on?

Burn wrote:The way I see it though, Alpha Bravo has been shoe-horned in as an Aerialbot, just as Powerglide has.

So I don't get why some people have so much hate towards Alpha Bravo for being introduced as an Aerialbot, when the exact same thing has been done to Powerglide but those same people don't seem to mention him. If people are going to hate on Alpha Bravo, then hate on Powerglide as well, he was NEVER an Aerialbot.

I think the lack of uproar over Powerglide is that he can be easily ignored. I don't feel the figure sacrificed anything to incorporate the gun mode, they didn't "Blackjack" him by making an integral part, and you can just easily sit him with the other Legends mini-bots instead of having Superion man-handle him.

Pretty much this I imagine. Hasbro really hasn't done much to advertise Powerglide as an Aerialbot as well. Maybe a few pics of Superion holding the gun, but most of the art, posters, boxes show the 5 standard body parts and some people feel that one doesn't belong. (I actually kind of like AB, though I wish I'd know about QS before I bought him...)

Powerglide is a lot like Bombshell. Robot mode looks original, Jet mode looks original... 3rd mode is iffy at best. (Personally I REALLY don't see bombshell's at all... but Powerglide barely holds the form is often too heavy for Superion to hold...)

So Powerglide is easily ignored by fans, buyers and pretty much Hasbro... Alpha Bravo?? He's a lot harder to ignore. he's shown in all the posters, and was the only limb option available.

Rated X wrote:

Randomhero wrote:I'm the exact opposite. I won't watch the transformation in reviews, I skip them. I feel it ruins the fun when I get them.

I usually dont watch reviews until I have the figure in hand. I use the review as the instructions. Especially for complex 3rd party stuff. If someone is going to break their figure treating it like some kind of puzzle, it wont be me I let the reviewers take one for the team and figure out the hard stuff. My satisfaction comes from displaying it on my shelf, not figuring it out on my own.

Agreed!

I have not been very pleased with the instructions on MOST of my transformers and 3pp figures. Always seems to be a step missing or the picture/arrows are unclear... and sometimes in foreign languages.

I'll try to follow it on my own... but yeah, the first time something doesn't fit or doesn't want to pop the way it looks like it should I'm online looking up transformations! At $100+ for a lot of these... I do NOT want to break it first day.

Frankly I'm shocked at the number of reviews I've sat through that do not SHOW the transformation... I can see the still pictures just with an image search... Video means I want to see it move!