Flame Toys Furai Model Kit IDW Rodimus, Optimus Primal, Windblade Revealed

I absolutely love that Primal and Rodimus!

Rodimus, I am so excited to have the IDW design official at last, and He, Megs, Drift, and my CW Magnus will all look fantastic together as the command crew.

And that Primal design is Boss! I love it! I cannot wait to see the Lio Convoy and Big Convoy they make in this style too!

Gotta love that sexy Windblade but for one thing. Where are her wings? Because as she is there, she'd be right at home in the Battle Angel Alita universe rather than Transformers.
Same thing for the guys too. They all look like kick-ass cyborgs, not Transformers.

Cinematography by Seymour Butz...

Needs more Armada.

Imma get that Windblade.

Man, that Optimus Primal got put through a serious Gundam filter. As for Windblade, I bet people will be butt hurt.

Skritz wrote:Man, that Optimus Primal got put through a serious Gundam filter. As for Windblade, I bet people will be butt hurt.

You should see the TFW2005 forum right now. Absolute warzone.

Lore Keeper wrote:

Skritz wrote:Man, that Optimus Primal got put through a serious Gundam filter. As for Windblade, I bet people will be butt hurt.

You should be the TFW2005 forum right now. Absolute warzone.

Puritains VS weebs.

The eternal battle.

Skritz wrote:Man, that Optimus Primal got put through a serious Gundam filter. As for Windblade, I bet people will be butt hurt.

MunKy NoT Gundumb

Lore Keeper wrote:

Skritz wrote:Man, that Optimus Primal got put through a serious Gundam filter. As for Windblade, I bet people will be butt hurt.

You should see the TFW2005 forum right now. Absolute warzone.

Now you HAD to get me curious.

-Kanrabat- wrote:Gotta love that sexy Windblade but for one thing. Where are her wings? Because as she is there, she'd be right at home in the Battle Angel Alita universe rather than Transformers.
Same thing for the guys too. They all look like kick-a** cyborgs, not Transformers.

I mean...





#windbladeisalitagate

-Kanrabat- wrote:Gotta love that sexy Windblade but for one thing. Where are her wings?

I don't mind that they shrunk them, but I don't like that they removed her trademark T wingtips.

Can't say I'm surprised they chose to do an IDW Rodimus. Popularity aside, they can get away with two decos this way.

Emerje

Anyone want to take bets Windblade will get cancelled?

Skritz wrote:Anyone want to take bets Windblade will get cancelled?

Nah, she isn't Arcee.

Emerje

Ah yes, good old Windblade, with disturbingly human boobs and ass. Definitely how she’s been depicted! Definitely not weird and gross at all.

Emerje wrote:

Skritz wrote:Anyone want to take bets Windblade will get cancelled?

Nah, she isn't Arcee.

Emerje

wait wat

Their Arcee was cancelled? Why? I was waiting for that one! It actually transformed!

Stormshot_Prime wrote:Ah yes, good old Windblade, with disturbingly human boobs and ass. Definitely how she’s been depicted! Definitely not weird and gross at all.

Japanese kit, Japanese aesthetics.

Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:

Emerje wrote:

Skritz wrote:Anyone want to take bets Windblade will get cancelled?

Nah, she isn't Arcee.

Emerje

wait wat

Their Arcee was cancelled? Why? I was waiting for that one! It actually transformed!

I just mean Arcee is the one with the track record for getting canceled. But what model are you talking about, they haven't announced an Arcee yet? They definitely aren't doing a transforming one, Takara Tomy and Hasbro would never allow that.

Emerje

Optimus primal looks way too generic and not in a good way, could hardly tell it was an optimus let alone meant to be gorilla based. Missed all the tick boxes on this one.

Rodimus looks great apart from his head which is idw anyhoos, so a head swap with virtually anything and it will be cool.

Windblade looks great, hopefully some extra face plates/expressions

Emerje wrote:But what model are you talking about, they haven't announced an Arcee yet? They definitely aren't doing a transforming one, Takara Tomy and Hasbro would never allow that.

Emerje

My mistake, after looking, that's a 3rd party figure I was thinking of.

Ugh, that Windblade is awful. It's always disappointing when Female characters get reduced down to nothing but wank material, and especially when it's one as well written and popular as Windblade. I honestly can't believe this is an officially liscened figure.

I forgot Flame Toys was doing this to Windblade, but I'm still disappointed. It's like they don't know how to design a female robot other than "put a Windblade morphsuit on a naked human woman's body". And before anyone tries to defend that to me by citing how the male ones look: as stylized as the other model kits get, they don't exactly look like "ideal male form hyper-muscly body" with a thin coat of Transformers paint, do they? They just look like Transformers with slightly more human proportions than normal.

Gemstonegemini wrote:Ugh, that Windblade is awful. It's always disappointing when Female characters get reduced down to nothing but wank material, and especially when it's one as well written and popular as Windblade. I honestly can't believe this is an officially liscened figure.

One more puritain that hate the female form and tell that girls are not allowed to be hot and sexy.
Only the men are allowed to be impossible mass of sexy muscles, eh?
EEEEEHHHHHH?

Like come on. BRING ON THE CURVES, THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.
My only complain with her is that they basically removed all the kibbles that make her a Transformers. They should have followed the manga above a bit more closely.

Jeddostotle7 wrote:They just look like Transformers with slightly more human proportions than normal.

Define "slightly".




If you don't think those thrusting crotches imply anything then you don't know Akira Amemiya.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:

Jeddostotle7 wrote:They just look like Transformers with slightly more human proportions than normal.

Define "slightly".




If you don't think those thrusting crotches imply anything then you don't know Akira Amemiya.

Emerje

In comparison to Windblade, those are FAR closer to their normal looks (squared-off blocky body parts rather than organic human curves), so I stand by what I said. Call me when they make one that looks like Arnie with panel lines.

Jeddostotle7 wrote:Call me when they make one that looks like Arnie with panel lines.

Already done.



That Optimus was basically a sexy muscle-man wearing a wetsuit. There's absolutely nothing in this design suggesting that it can transform into anything. Just a cool cyborg, not even a robot.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Jeddostotle7 wrote:Call me when they make one that looks like Arnie with panel lines.

Already done.



That Optimus was basically a sexy muscle-man wearing a wetsuit. There's absolutely nothing in this design suggesting that it can transform into anything. Just a cool cyborg, not even a robot.

It reeeeally doesn't tho. Sure, it certainly doesn't look it transforms into anything, but it looks more like a suit of armor than a buff human man. Sure, it kinda vaguely has pecs and biceps, but nowhere near the absurd replication of specific shaping of human anatomy that Windblade exhibits.

Jeddostotle7 wrote:In comparison to Windblade, those are FAR closer to their normal looks (squared-off blocky body parts rather than organic human curves), so I stand by what I said. Call me when they make one that looks like Arnie with panel lines.

But Windblade was already drawn with curves in most iterations, she's rarely drawn with squared off parts, especially her thighs, arms, and mid section. In fact I'd say she looked even more human there than this model which exaggerates far more details than the "sexy ones".

IDW


RID


Cyberverse


Make no mistake, she has always been a "human in robot bikini armor", the model just gave her butt cheeks.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:

Jeddostotle7 wrote:In comparison to Windblade, those are FAR closer to their normal looks (squared-off blocky body parts rather than organic human curves), so I stand by what I said. Call me when they make one that looks like Arnie with panel lines.

But Windblade was already drawn with curves in most iterations, she's rarely drawn with squared off parts, especially her thighs, arms, and mid section. In fact I'd say she looked even more human there than this model which exaggerates far more details than the "sexy ones".

IDW


RID


Cyberverse


Make no mistake, she has always been a "human in robot bikini armor", the model just gave her butt cheeks.

Emerje

Eh...

I mean, yeah, Windblade's always been curvier than say Optimus, but like, c'mon, this model kit is a whole other level. It's pretty much literally a naked human woman with panel lines and fan-wings.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Gemstonegemini wrote:Ugh, that Windblade is awful. It's always disappointing when Female characters get reduced down to nothing but wank material, and especially when it's one as well written and popular as Windblade. I honestly can't believe this is an officially liscened figure.

One more puritain that hate the female form and tell that girls are not allowed to be hot and sexy.
Only the men are allowed to be impossible mass of sexy muscles, eh?
EEEEEHHHHHH?

Like come on. BRING ON THE CURVES, THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.
My only complain with her is that they basically removed all the kibbles that make her a Transformers. They should have followed the manga above a bit more closely.

Agreed. If we remove the backpack (what little of it there is) and the head crest/fan she's nothing more than the basic trope of a sci-fi fembot.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Jeddostotle7 wrote:Call me when they make one that looks like Arnie with panel lines.

Already done.



That Optimus was basically a sexy muscle-man wearing a wetsuit. There's absolutely nothing in this design suggesting that it can transform into anything. Just a cool cyborg, not even a robot.

That's no just Arnie, that's Conan!

ThunderThruster wrote:That's no just Arnie, that's Conan!

Conan the Barbarian is one of my favorite movie of all times.
Seriously awesome, with an Arnie that was a GOD.

Also from the golden years were there was no Twitter puritan mob to spoil people's fun.

Skritz wrote:Anyone want to take bets Windblade will get cancelled?

The tweets and images of Windblade have been deleted from Flame Toys' account. I wouldn't immediately conclude it has been cancelled, but it could indicate that the controversy may produce a change in design. That's speculation, as I have not seen any comment on it from Flame Toys.

Original tweet: https://twitter.com/flametoys_staff/sta ... 13056?s=19

Speaking personally, I very much want a Furai Windblade to go with the rest of my collection of IDW designs. But I hated this design, and I think it does a disservice to the character and the brand. Honestly, though, who cares what I think? I'm just a fan; yes, I have an emotional investment in Windblade, but she's just a fiction.

She is much more important to others, and I can't think of any authority greater than Mairghread Scott, who wrote the IDE miniseries and Til All Are One. Linking to the Flame Toys tweet, she said this on Twitter:
"When you spend years trying to build a positive, complex role model of a character trying to find peace in a world of endless war... and this happens..." and appended a sad Ben Affleck gif.
https://twitter.com/MairghreadScott/sta ... 47617?s=19

AcademyofDrX wrote:Speaking personally, I very much want a Furai Windblade to go with the rest of my collection of IDW designs. But I hated this design, and I think it does a disservice to the character and the brand. Honestly, though, who cares what I think? I'm just a fan; yes, I have an emotional investment in Windblade, but she's just a fiction.

She is much more important to others, and I can't think of any authority greater than Mairghread Scott, who wrote the IDE miniseries and Til All Are One. Linking to the Flame Toys tweet, she said this on Twitter:
"When you spend years trying to build a positive, complex role model of a character trying to find peace in a world of endless war... and this happens..." and appended a sad Ben Affleck gif.
https://twitter.com/MairghreadScott/sta ... 47617?s=19

Ok, that's probably why Flame Toys took down the tweet, more than any general dissatisfaction.

They took the tweet down?

AcademyofDrX wrote:Speaking personally, I very much want a Furai Windblade to go with the rest of my collection of IDW designs. But I hated this design, and I think it does a disservice to the character and the brand. Honestly, though, who cares what I think? I'm just a fan; yes, I have an emotional investment in Windblade, but she's just a fiction.

She is much more important to others, and I can't think of any authority greater than Mairghread Scott, who wrote the IDE miniseries and Til All Are One. Linking to the Flame Toys tweet, she said this on Twitter:
"When you spend years trying to build a positive, complex role model of a character trying to find peace in a world of endless war... and this happens..." and appended a sad Ben Affleck gif.
https://twitter.com/MairghreadScott/sta ... 47617?s=19

Just put some money in her thong and it will be A OK, it worked with Cullen.

Bay to Cullen, want play the iconic optimus as a murdering sonofa?
Cullen, Yes! Erm.. Oh your putting money in my thong. Cool! I have a friend that would like to voice a robot that smells boys..
Bay, is he wearing a thong?

I mean, it's not like we're exactly short of Windblade toys at the moment, I'm sure this one non-transforming model kit's existence isn't dangerous to Windblade fans' abilities to get a plastic representation of their favourite character.

I'm also very disappointed in the reactions of some people to this kit, including Scott. Lots of "Cater to me even though I don't buy your product" and double standards, not to mention getting pointlessly mad over a plastic robot. If you don't like it then don't buy it. Simple as. Don't demand that the design be changed or the kit be cancelled because the sight of an attractive female somehow offends your delicate sensibilities; you probably weren't buying the kit anyway so your opinion on the matter is literally worth nothing. Let people who want her have her.

On a more positive note, my sole gripe with her is a lack of jet detail on her, so if I can nab her (and I really, really want to) I'm tempted to graft some removable 1/72 jet parts onto her. I'm thinking a Sea Vixen, as the twin-boom design would allow for her rather tiny fan-turbine wings to be augmented with some beautiful, long-tailed wings not dissimilar to a Luna Moth. I also kinda wanna have a go at painting on some Japanese-style tattoos onto her bodywork.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Gemstonegemini wrote:Ugh, that Windblade is awful. It's always disappointing when Female characters get reduced down to nothing but wank material, and especially when it's one as well written and popular as Windblade. I honestly can't believe this is an officially liscened figure.

One more puritain that hate the female form and tell that girls are not allowed to be hot and sexy.
Only the men are allowed to be impossible mass of sexy muscles, eh?
EEEEEHHHHHH?

Like come on. BRING ON THE CURVES, THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.
My only complain with her is that they basically removed all the kibbles that make her a Transformers. They should have followed the manga above a bit more closely.

In no way is this a matter of “letting women feel sexy.” That’s a REAL world issue, this is a fictional character clearly designed by horny men. Windblade isn’t real and making some liberating choice to look like that. I don’t think it’s Puritan to want designs of characters that you can own without feeling like some weirdo who gets off to robot girls.

Everyone is saying “oh but the guys are buff too!” And yeah sure, but there’s nothing specifically human proportioned on them. Windblade looks like she’s wearing a tight skin suit, I mean for ducks sake you can see her nipples! You can’t say that the human-like features are equitable between the guys and her.

Hasbro has been pushing for Windblade to be one of the most prominent female characters in the new continuities, which is fantastic, but is this how she should be represented?

God, I knew there was a reason you're on my block list Hat.


Anyway, yeah, I agree with Scott. I can also imagine how insulting it would feel to have a character you worked hard on for years reduced to this garbage.

Gemstonegemini wrote:God, I knew there was a reason you're on my block list Hat.

Charming. Real charming.

Anyway, yeah, I agree with Scott. I can also imagine how insulting it would feel to have a character you worked hard on for years reduced to this garbage.

So the female form is "garbage"? Sounds rather misogynistic to me.

As far as things being insulting, how about someone's hard work designing, sculpting and engineering a model kit such as this (no easy task) being denounced and decried as "offensive" because some people find attractive female body shapes to be upsetting somehow? Because if I were the designer I'd be pretty insulted.

I'd also like to remind everyone that Windblade was not Scott's sole creation. She merely wrote one depiction of her. As a concept, she was a fan-created character that was given form by a suite of artists and featured in multiple continuities by multiple creators. Scott has no exclusive claim to how Windblade should be depicted, and the fact she personally doesn't like this model kit is no reason it shouldn't exist.

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Stormshot_Prime wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Gemstonegemini wrote:Ugh, that Windblade is awful. It's always disappointing when Female characters get reduced down to nothing but wank material, and especially when it's one as well written and popular as Windblade. I honestly can't believe this is an officially liscened figure.

One more puritain that hate the female form and tell that girls are not allowed to be hot and sexy.
Only the men are allowed to be impossible mass of sexy muscles, eh?
EEEEEHHHHHH?

Like come on. BRING ON THE CURVES, THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.
My only complain with her is that they basically removed all the kibbles that make her a Transformers. They should have followed the manga above a bit more closely.

In no way is this a matter of “letting women feel sexy.” That’s a REAL world issue, this is a fictional character clearly designed by horny men. Windblade isn’t real and making some liberating choice to look like that.

That is correct, she isn't real, ergo it does not matter in the slightest. Can't cry about "objectifying" a literal object.

I don’t think it’s Puritan to want designs of characters that you can own without feeling like some weirdo who gets off to robot girls.

So finding women attractive and liking depictions of beautiful women makes you a weirdo now. OK then...?

Everyone is saying “oh but the guys are buff too!” And yeah sure, but there’s nothing specifically human proportioned on them. Windblade looks like she’s wearing a tight skin suit, I mean for ducks sake you can see her nipples! You can’t say that the human-like features are equitable between the guys and her.

I would have liked more aircraft bits on her but overall they're pretty equitable, yes. Both are exaggerated, idealized humanoid figures with robot details. Heck, Windblade is actually far more realistically proportioned than say Prime or Starscream, so in that regard she's ahead of the game.

Hasbro has been pushing for Windblade to be one of the most prominent female characters in the new continuities, which is fantastic,

It's fantastic in as much as there is a mainstay female character, but considering she's basically insured no other female Autobot can reach the same level of mainstream success (even Arcee), I'm not sure her prominence is such a good thing.

but is this how she should be represented?

Sure beats how Nautica and Arcee were represented in TR, being reduced to minimal-effort retools of male characters rather than even getting their own molds.

I'm reminded of that time where a pizza place near my old college had its publicity ranksacked and destroyed as 'dirty sexist pubs'. Said publicity simply showed a decently attractive, happy young woman holding a pizza. It wasn't even sexual and there were actually a diverse set of people. There was a black woman, an old guy and so on. The simple pub was them smiling and holding a pizza forward.

They burned and desecrated all those showing the smiling woman, writing shit like 'dirty sexist publicity begone'. So somehow showing a woman smiling was seen as a horrific affront to them and, again, this wasn't even a publicity that ran on sex appeal. Just happy people holding a pizza, but showing a happy, decently attractive woman smiling was deem horrible, offensive and taboo.

So yeah, the female form IS offensive in 2020 when it isn't butt ugly.

Gemstonegemini wrote:And that whole screed is why I don't bother with you most of the time Hat. Come back when you're prepared to argue in good faith.

Ah yes, the "I have no actual counterargument so I'll accuse you of arguing in bad faith" chestnut. Classic. Are you this dismissive to everyone who disagrees with you?

Wow, it looks like it might actually get cancelled now. Even Mairghread Scott was complaining about it.

https://twitter.com/MairghreadScott/sta ... 4644847617

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Gemstonegemini wrote:Yes Hat, I am dismissive of people like you.

Seriously though, this figure is an embarrassment. That's the worst thing. All it shows anyone from the outside looking in is that Transformers is full of horny man children who want to jerk off to sexy robots.

Ah yes, the shaming of male sexuality. In a day and age where every possible permutation of sexual orientation is to be celebrated, a guy wanking to robot in his bedroom is somehow the worst offender and a threat to society.

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Skritz wrote:

Gemstonegemini wrote:Yes Hat, I am dismissive of people like you.

Seriously though, this figure is an embarrassment. That's the worst thing. All it shows anyone from the outside looking in is that Transformers is full of horny man children who want to jerk off to sexy robots.

Ah yes, the shaming of male sexuality. In a day and age where every possible permutation of sexual orientation is to be celebrated, a guy wanking to robot in his bedroom is somehow the worst offender and a threat to society.

I don’t think sexuality should be a major factor in a brand primarily targeted toward younger children (unlike all of us here). No ones celebrating guys getting off to robot girls who’s designs were bastardized to be a porn star.

I mean what’s next, justifying Kiss Players?

Gemstonegemini wrote:

Skritz wrote:

Gemstonegemini wrote:Yes Hat, I am dismissive of people like you.

Seriously though, this figure is an embarrassment. That's the worst thing. All it shows anyone from the outside looking in is that Transformers is full of horny man children who want to jerk off to sexy robots.

Ah yes, the shaming of male sexuality. In a day and age where every possible permutation of sexual orientation is to be celebrated, a guy wanking to robot in his bedroom is somehow the worst offender and a threat to society.

First off, nice implication that non straight sexualities are a threat to society, very classy.

Second off, I don't give a damn what you want to do. I take issue with a previously well written and interesting female main character, who is a flagship character in the new TV series for kids, being reduced to nothing but T n A and furthering the idea that, if you are a woman, Transformers doesn't give a **** about you.

You're the one who immediately read it as that, not me. And you're basically using the 'think of the children' argument.

Gemstonegemini wrote:Yes Hat, I am dismissive of people like you.

Right, good to know that you have no interest in actually addressing what I'm saying and instead are just arguing in- get ready for it- bad faith. Really making yourself look good there.

Seriously though, this figure is an embarrassment. That's the worst thing. All it shows anyone from the outside looking in is that Transformers is full of horny man children who want to jerk off to sexy robots.

Are you joking? You think this model kit is single handedly going to make people think worse of the franchise and fanbase, and not, for example:
>The countless hours of dreadful media (even IDW cranked out some stinkers),
>The religious following the original cartoon has as if it were the height of culture in spite of being most definitely not,
>The people that will buy anything and everything that Hasbro cranks out regardless of how bad just to fill a "hole" in their collection,
>The "high end" line that has descended into QC nightmares of awkward transformations and chipped paint to sate cartoon cultist's obsession,
>The high-profile wiki and associated websites run by the dynamic duo of a racist LOLcow/scam artist and a sexual predator,
>The notorious amount of "fans" who are so completely immersed in far-left toxicity and propaganda that Stalin and Mao would call for moderation (the amount of Antifa supporters in this fandom make me sigh),
>And not to mention how goddamn seriously everyone takes every little aspect of the franchise regardless of how insignificant it is?
There are many reasons to be embarrassed about being a fan of Transformers. Liking an attractive robot is not one of them. If you really think that this is a big deal then either A: you have no idea what the outside world thinks of the fandom or B: your priorities are skewed beyond recovery.