First Look at Studio Series 86 Leader Snarl
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We have some in hand images at the penultimate leader class Dinobot to complete the line up, Snarl. Snarl will be the only Dinobot released in the Studio Series line this year. The images below come form a Chefatron review which was removed.
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Re: First Look at Studio Series 86 Leader Snarl (2155358)
Posted by Till-all-R1 on February 6th, 2023 @ 2:23pm CST
Posted by Till-all-R1 on February 6th, 2023 @ 2:23pm CST
I'm curious if Sludge has come and gone? I hear of people already getting it but I've had a preorder at Gamestop since its listing that has still gone unfulfilled. I got him on a sale so I'd like to keep that order but I'm starting to get the feeling if it falls through I won't be getting the figure. lol
Cool gallery of the Dinobots!
Cool gallery of the Dinobots!
Re: First Look at Studio Series 86 Leader Snarl (2155360)
Posted by Sabrblade on February 6th, 2023 @ 2:26pm CST
Posted by Sabrblade on February 6th, 2023 @ 2:26pm CST
Walmart finally started carrying the figure a few months ago and now it's just kinda sitting there on the shelves like Coronation Starscream did.Till-all-R1 wrote:I'm curious if Sludge has come and gone? I hear of people already getting it but I've had a preorder at Gamestop since its listing that has still gone unfulfilled. I got him on a sale so I'd like to keep that order but I'm starting to get the feeling if it falls through I won't be getting the figure. lol
Re: First Look at Studio Series 86 Leader Snarl (2155362)
Posted by Perceptor1996 on February 6th, 2023 @ 2:36pm CST
Posted by Perceptor1996 on February 6th, 2023 @ 2:36pm CST
How does everybody feel about Snarl being the first one to have come with a Sword? Sludge and Slug only had guns in the cartoon so omitting the swords made sense and Snarl and Swoop only had Swords so I was suspected them to have them. Also just glad to see my favorite Dinobot done so well.
Re: First Look at Studio Series 86 Leader Snarl (2155363)
Posted by DeathReviews on February 6th, 2023 @ 2:39pm CST
Posted by DeathReviews on February 6th, 2023 @ 2:39pm CST
I'll be looking forward to this one. But I gotta say - I'm disappointed that the tail is so short, and that it appears to have no articulation. The tail is supposed to be his primary weapon, able to swing around and clobber enemies, or arch over his back to shoot laser blasts from the spikes. With the tail as pictured, poor Snarl would have to be practically sitting right on top of an opponent to have the tail anywhere near striking distance.
The way it's configured, at least in these photos, makes the tail seem WAY too stubby. From a 3/4 angle, you can't see the tail at all. And the photos from the side, make it look like he's passing something uncomfortable after a meal.
Here's hoping these are just prototypes, and the finished product will make the tail larger. Sadly though, these early shots have proved to be fairly indicative of the final product. Mind you, the REST of him looks great. But given the tail is supposed to be THE primary feature? To have it look so diminished (and frankly weak) drags it down a notch or two.
The way it's configured, at least in these photos, makes the tail seem WAY too stubby. From a 3/4 angle, you can't see the tail at all. And the photos from the side, make it look like he's passing something uncomfortable after a meal.
Here's hoping these are just prototypes, and the finished product will make the tail larger. Sadly though, these early shots have proved to be fairly indicative of the final product. Mind you, the REST of him looks great. But given the tail is supposed to be THE primary feature? To have it look so diminished (and frankly weak) drags it down a notch or two.
Re: First Look at Studio Series 86 Leader Snarl (2155366)
Posted by AcademyofDrX on February 6th, 2023 @ 2:43pm CST
That's not how this works. By the time these reviewers get them in-hand, regardless of provenance, this is going to be at minimum very close, it's a pipe dream.
Interesting that the tail structure and overall design are so closely modeled on the original toy, arguably sacrificing screen accuracy.
Posted by AcademyofDrX on February 6th, 2023 @ 2:43pm CST
DeathReviews wrote:Here's hoping these are just prototypes, and the finished product will make the tail larger. Sadly though, these early shots have proved to be fairly indicative of the final product. Mind you, the REST of him looks great. But given the tail is supposed to be THE primary feature? To have it look so diminished (and frankly weak) drags it down a notch or two.
That's not how this works. By the time these reviewers get them in-hand, regardless of provenance, this is going to be at minimum very close, it's a pipe dream.
Interesting that the tail structure and overall design are so closely modeled on the original toy, arguably sacrificing screen accuracy.
Re: First Look at Studio Series 86 Leader Snarl (2155368)
Posted by DeathReviews on February 6th, 2023 @ 2:53pm CST
If so, that would be a disappointment. In this case going with 'G1 toy accuracy' vs. 'screen accuracy' produces a distinctly under-whelming result. Oh I'll get the figure, don't mistake. But that mini-tail is going to be something I'll have to wince my way around every time I see the alt mode.
Maybe some 3rd Party companies will make an upgrade kit to replace the tail with something a bit more robust...
Posted by DeathReviews on February 6th, 2023 @ 2:53pm CST
AcademyofDrX wrote:That's not how this works. By the time these reviewers get them in-hand, regardless of provenance, this is going to be at minimum very close, it's a pipe dream.
Interesting that the tail structure and overall design are so closely modeled on the original toy, arguably sacrificing screen accuracy.
If so, that would be a disappointment. In this case going with 'G1 toy accuracy' vs. 'screen accuracy' produces a distinctly under-whelming result. Oh I'll get the figure, don't mistake. But that mini-tail is going to be something I'll have to wince my way around every time I see the alt mode.
Maybe some 3rd Party companies will make an upgrade kit to replace the tail with something a bit more robust...
Re: First Look at Studio Series 86 Leader Snarl (2155369)
Posted by Sabrblade on February 6th, 2023 @ 2:53pm CST
Posted by Sabrblade on February 6th, 2023 @ 2:53pm CST
The tail looks pretty accurate to me:
Re: First Look at Studio Series 86 Leader Snarl (2155370)
Posted by AcademyofDrX on February 6th, 2023 @ 3:06pm CST
Between the screen and the toy, it's much closer to the toy. I'm sure that was necessary for transformation reasons, but that's still where we ended up. In deco and functionality, a big chunk of his back is supposed to be the tail based on the cartoon version.
Posted by AcademyofDrX on February 6th, 2023 @ 3:06pm CST
Between the screen and the toy, it's much closer to the toy. I'm sure that was necessary for transformation reasons, but that's still where we ended up. In deco and functionality, a big chunk of his back is supposed to be the tail based on the cartoon version.
Re: First Look at Studio Series 86 Leader Snarl (2155371)
Posted by DeathReviews on February 6th, 2023 @ 3:11pm CST
I'm thinking of screen accuracy in terms of how he used his tail in the G1 episode "War of the Dinobots". Snarl clearly arched his tail above and over his back to shoot spikes. He also swung it around and swiped it with so much force that it knocked Grimlock down and left him groggy and immobile. Frankly, it always bugged me that the G1 toy looked like that wasn't accurate either. My hope was this update would have fixed that with a longer tail. But as I said - hopefully 3rd party companies will have an answer.
Heck even Slug's tail appears longer by comparison. How does that make any sense?
Posted by DeathReviews on February 6th, 2023 @ 3:11pm CST
Sabrblade wrote:The tail looks pretty accurate to me
I'm thinking of screen accuracy in terms of how he used his tail in the G1 episode "War of the Dinobots". Snarl clearly arched his tail above and over his back to shoot spikes. He also swung it around and swiped it with so much force that it knocked Grimlock down and left him groggy and immobile. Frankly, it always bugged me that the G1 toy looked like that wasn't accurate either. My hope was this update would have fixed that with a longer tail. But as I said - hopefully 3rd party companies will have an answer.
Heck even Slug's tail appears longer by comparison. How does that make any sense?
Re: First Look at Studio Series 86 Leader Snarl (2155372)
Posted by sol magnus on February 6th, 2023 @ 3:25pm CST
Grmlock's head is just smaller than it should be.
Hilariously, because I never finished it, I paused it - I can still watch it.
Posted by sol magnus on February 6th, 2023 @ 3:25pm CST
Sabrblade wrote:Hate to link to TFW, but they were able to get a gallery of in-hand images from this now-gone video.
Judging from this pics, is it me or do Snarl, Slug, and Sludge all look a smidge taller than Grimlock in robot mode?
Grmlock's head is just smaller than it should be.
Hilariously, because I never finished it, I paused it - I can still watch it.
Re: First Look at Studio Series 86 Leader Snarl (2155377)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on February 6th, 2023 @ 4:09pm CST
Posted by -Kanrabat- on February 6th, 2023 @ 4:09pm CST
That Snarl look BOSS!
I wonder what will be his accessories?
I wonder what will be his accessories?
Re: First Look at Studio Series 86 Leader Snarl (2155382)
Posted by Cyber Bishop on February 6th, 2023 @ 4:28pm CST
Posted by Cyber Bishop on February 6th, 2023 @ 4:28pm CST
Bought on sight but my question is how in the F does someone get something that has not officially been revealed by hasbro like this especially since this toy isn't slated until late in the year (according to the list that came out).
Wave 4: November
Core:
2x 86 Frenzy
2x TF7 Delta 2
2x TF7 Hydra
2x TF3 Bumblebee
Deluxe:
TF7 Nightbird x3
TF7 Mirage x3
WFC Bumblebee x2
Voyager:
86 Ratchet x2
WFC Optimus x1
Leader:
TF7 Optimus Primal x1
86 Snarl x1”
per this
https://news.tfw2005.com/2023/02/04/upd ... 3-4-475103
Wave 4: November
Core:
2x 86 Frenzy
2x TF7 Delta 2
2x TF7 Hydra
2x TF3 Bumblebee
Deluxe:
TF7 Nightbird x3
TF7 Mirage x3
WFC Bumblebee x2
Voyager:
86 Ratchet x2
WFC Optimus x1
Leader:
TF7 Optimus Primal x1
86 Snarl x1”
per this
https://news.tfw2005.com/2023/02/04/upd ... 3-4-475103
Re: First Look at Studio Series 86 Leader Snarl (2155386)
Posted by sol magnus on February 6th, 2023 @ 4:36pm CST
At the risk of raising the ire of moderators, the guy gets stolen figures from the factory.
Posted by sol magnus on February 6th, 2023 @ 4:36pm CST
Cyber Bishop wrote:Bought on sight but my question is how in the F does someone get something that has not officially been revealed by hasbro like this especially since this toy isn't slated until late in the year (according to the list that came out).
Wave 4: November
Core:
2x 86 Frenzy
2x TF7 Delta 2
2x TF7 Hydra
2x TF3 Bumblebee
Deluxe:
TF7 Nightbird x3
TF7 Mirage x3
WFC Bumblebee x2
Voyager:
86 Ratchet x2
WFC Optimus x1
Leader:
TF7 Optimus Primal x1
86 Snarl x1”
per this
https://news.tfw2005.com/2023/02/04/upd ... 3-4-475103
At the risk of raising the ire of moderators, the guy gets stolen figures from the factory.
Re: First Look at Studio Series 86 Leader Snarl (2155390)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on February 6th, 2023 @ 4:37pm CST
And?
Posted by -Kanrabat- on February 6th, 2023 @ 4:37pm CST
sol magnus wrote:At the risk of raising the ire of moderators, the guy gets stolen figures from the factory.
And?
Re: First Look at Studio Series 86 Leader Snarl (2155392)
Posted by sol magnus on February 6th, 2023 @ 4:39pm CST
And nothing. His video belongs to me now.
But seriously, it was in response to Cyber Bishop.
Posted by sol magnus on February 6th, 2023 @ 4:39pm CST
-Kanrabat- wrote:sol magnus wrote:At the risk of raising the ire of moderators, the guy gets stolen figures from the factory.
And?
And nothing. His video belongs to me now.
But seriously, it was in response to Cyber Bishop.
Re: First Look at Studio Series 86 Leader Snarl (2155394)
Posted by ZeroWolf on February 6th, 2023 @ 4:41pm CST
Posted by ZeroWolf on February 6th, 2023 @ 4:41pm CST
Also there is a middle man, an online shop that procures these figures and then sells them to the reviewers. We've newsed it several times, most notably with the last review we newsed from Prime vs Prime.
What's interesting here is that the video was nuked, was it because of the ludicrous timing? Revealing a figure that probably won't get officially revealed till summertime?
What's interesting here is that the video was nuked, was it because of the ludicrous timing? Revealing a figure that probably won't get officially revealed till summertime?
Re: First Look at Studio Series 86 Leader Snarl (2155395)
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on February 6th, 2023 @ 4:43pm CST
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on February 6th, 2023 @ 4:43pm CST
So Snarl gets a sword but the other guys don't? I know in the show/movie Snarl was the only one with a sword but still, fudge it a little so it doesn't stand out that much.
My God, did Hasbro actually pull a video down, did Optimus Prime turn the tide again? (Get it, the line from the movie? We're in the movie thread?)
My God, did Hasbro actually pull a video down, did Optimus Prime turn the tide again? (Get it, the line from the movie? We're in the movie thread?)
Re: First Look at Studio Series 86 Leader Snarl (2155396)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on February 6th, 2023 @ 4:45pm CST
Well, regardless, those "leaks" will never stop. And if they want to pay a fortune for these... samples... to be the early bird reviewers, so be it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I saw some of these popping on eBay and the bids they get are insane. I remember way back then an "early" DotM voyager Megatron being sold for hundreds of dollars.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on February 6th, 2023 @ 4:45pm CST
sol magnus wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:sol magnus wrote:At the risk of raising the ire of moderators, the guy gets stolen figures from the factory.
And?
And nothing. His video belongs to me now.
But seriously, it was in response to Cyber Bishop.
Well, regardless, those "leaks" will never stop. And if they want to pay a fortune for these... samples... to be the early bird reviewers, so be it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I saw some of these popping on eBay and the bids they get are insane. I remember way back then an "early" DotM voyager Megatron being sold for hundreds of dollars.
Re: First Look at Studio Series 86 Leader Snarl (2155406)
Posted by sol magnus on February 6th, 2023 @ 5:07pm CST
Yeah, I'll wait. LOL
Posted by sol magnus on February 6th, 2023 @ 5:07pm CST
-Kanrabat- wrote:sol magnus wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:sol magnus wrote:At the risk of raising the ire of moderators, the guy gets stolen figures from the factory.
And?
And nothing. His video belongs to me now.
But seriously, it was in response to Cyber Bishop.
Well, regardless, those "leaks" will never stop. And if they want to pay a fortune for these... samples... to be the early bird reviewers, so be it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I saw some of these popping on eBay and the bids they get are insane. I remember way back then an "early" DotM voyager Megatron being sold for hundreds of dollars.
Yeah, I'll wait. LOL
Re: First Look at Studio Series 86 Leader Snarl (2155417)
Posted by Rodimus Prime on February 6th, 2023 @ 6:02pm CST
Posted by Rodimus Prime on February 6th, 2023 @ 6:02pm CST
Yeah, that tail... Didn't like it on the G1 figure (or the POTP) and I don't like it here. Otherwise, looks great. That group shot once again reinforces my view that Sludge should have been a Commander class or a tall leader. His dino mode is too small compared to the others and in robot mode he should be at least a head taller than Grimlock. My opinions only of course.
Re: First Look at Studio Series 86 Leader Snarl (2155427)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on February 6th, 2023 @ 6:23pm CST
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on February 6th, 2023 @ 6:23pm CST
Ugh, why does the robot torso and dino mode rump and tail suck? Stegosaurus is my favorite dino, why does Snarl have to have a cursed dino mode?
The Dinobots continue to be hit and then miss for me.
Grimlock was fun and good and stonky while still being dynamic and fun.
Slug was the worst figure I bought in 2021.
Sludge proved to be a fun figure, I think he's my favorite so far.
Snarl is mis-proportioned.
Hopefully this means Swoop will be a banger.
The Dinobots continue to be hit and then miss for me.
Grimlock was fun and good and stonky while still being dynamic and fun.
Slug was the worst figure I bought in 2021.
Sludge proved to be a fun figure, I think he's my favorite so far.
Snarl is mis-proportioned.
Hopefully this means Swoop will be a banger.
Re: First Look at Studio Series 86 Leader Snarl (2155432)
Posted by ZeroWolf on February 6th, 2023 @ 6:37pm CST
I'm not so sure he does, the other dinobots in those images are rocking swords as well. Though I think grimlocks sword is the Masterpiece version.
Posted by ZeroWolf on February 6th, 2023 @ 6:37pm CST
chuckdawg1999 wrote:So Snarl gets a sword but the other guys don't? I know in the show/movie Snarl was the only one with a sword but still, fudge it a little so it doesn't stand out that much.
My God, did Hasbro actually pull a video down, did Optimus Prime turn the tide again? (Get it, the line from the movie? We're in the movie thread?)
I'm not so sure he does, the other dinobots in those images are rocking swords as well. Though I think grimlocks sword is the Masterpiece version.
Re: First Look at Studio Series 86 Leader Snarl (2155435)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on February 6th, 2023 @ 6:39pm CST
Let's not forget that it's a "sample". The accessories are far from confirmed.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on February 6th, 2023 @ 6:39pm CST
ZeroWolf wrote:chuckdawg1999 wrote:So Snarl gets a sword but the other guys don't? I know in the show/movie Snarl was the only one with a sword but still, fudge it a little so it doesn't stand out that much.
My God, did Hasbro actually pull a video down, did Optimus Prime turn the tide again? (Get it, the line from the movie? We're in the movie thread?)
I'm not so sure he does, the other dinobots in those images are rocking swords as well. Though I think grimlocks sword is the Masterpiece version.
Let's not forget that it's a "sample". The accessories are far from confirmed.
Re: First Look at Studio Series 86 Leader Snarl (2155441)
Posted by william-james88 on February 6th, 2023 @ 6:46pm CST
I thought you knew already, he gets them from online asian sellers like this guy here:
https://shopee.ph/Hasbro-Transformers-L ... c5f63f73b5
Anyone with a forwarding service can get figures not yet announced by Hasbro yet.
Do people know who leader Scourge's casemate is?
Posted by william-james88 on February 6th, 2023 @ 6:46pm CST
Cyber Bishop wrote:Bought on sight but my question is how in the F does someone get something that has not officially been revealed by hasbro like this especially since this toy isn't slated until late in the year
I thought you knew already, he gets them from online asian sellers like this guy here:
https://shopee.ph/Hasbro-Transformers-L ... c5f63f73b5
Anyone with a forwarding service can get figures not yet announced by Hasbro yet.
Do people know who leader Scourge's casemate is?
Re: First Look at Studio Series 86 Leader Snarl (2155443)
Posted by Cyber Bishop on February 6th, 2023 @ 6:56pm CST
Forgot about that place.
Posted by Cyber Bishop on February 6th, 2023 @ 6:56pm CST
william-james88 wrote:Cyber Bishop wrote:Bought on sight but my question is how in the F does someone get something that has not officially been revealed by hasbro like this especially since this toy isn't slated until late in the year
I thought you knew already, he gets them from online asian sellers like this guy here:
https://shopee.ph/Hasbro-Transformers-L ... c5f63f73b5
Anyone with a forwarding service can get figures not yet announced by Hasbro yet.
Do people know who leader Scourge's casemate is?
Forgot about that place.
Re: First Look at Studio Series 86 Leader Snarl (2155452)
Posted by DeathReviews on February 6th, 2023 @ 7:33pm CST
I kind of recall that Hasbro themselves invited some of these early leakers to one of their company gatherings. Knowing that some of these reviewers get their figures from, shall we say, 'dodgey' sources, but inviting them anyway? Well, it conveys the impression that Hasbro is in cahoots with them to generate 'buzz'. Or at the very least, they've opted not to oppose their activities. Which is a downer to less well-heeled fans and reviewers, who have to wait in line with everybody else...
Posted by DeathReviews on February 6th, 2023 @ 7:33pm CST
Well, regardless, those "leaks" will never stop. And if they want to pay a fortune for these... samples... to be the early bird reviewers, so be it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I saw some of these popping on eBay and the bids they get are insane. I remember way back then an "early" DotM voyager Megatron being sold for hundreds of dollars.
I kind of recall that Hasbro themselves invited some of these early leakers to one of their company gatherings. Knowing that some of these reviewers get their figures from, shall we say, 'dodgey' sources, but inviting them anyway? Well, it conveys the impression that Hasbro is in cahoots with them to generate 'buzz'. Or at the very least, they've opted not to oppose their activities. Which is a downer to less well-heeled fans and reviewers, who have to wait in line with everybody else...
Re: First Look at Studio Series 86 Leader Snarl (2155456)
Posted by sol magnus on February 6th, 2023 @ 7:57pm CST
Yeah, well, I watched the entire video. There was nothing technically going on with it. So...don't know what prompted the deletion, but that's what happened.
Posted by sol magnus on February 6th, 2023 @ 7:57pm CST
DeathReviews wrote:Well, regardless, those "leaks" will never stop. And if they want to pay a fortune for these... samples... to be the early bird reviewers, so be it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I saw some of these popping on eBay and the bids they get are insane. I remember way back then an "early" DotM voyager Megatron being sold for hundreds of dollars.
I kind of recall that Hasbro themselves invited some of these early leakers to one of their company gatherings. Knowing that some of these reviewers get their figures from, shall we say, 'dodgey' sources, but inviting them anyway? Well, it conveys the impression that Hasbro is in cahoots with them to generate 'buzz'. Or at the very least, they've opted not to oppose their activities. Which is a downer to less well-heeled fans and reviewers, who have to wait in line with everybody else...
Yeah, well, I watched the entire video. There was nothing technically going on with it. So...don't know what prompted the deletion, but that's what happened.
Re: First Look at Studio Series 86 Leader Snarl (2155459)
Posted by Razorbeast88 on February 6th, 2023 @ 8:23pm CST
Posted by Razorbeast88 on February 6th, 2023 @ 8:23pm CST
Oouu sword. Nice.
Re: First Look at Studio Series 86 Leader Snarl (2155461)
Posted by Emerje on February 6th, 2023 @ 8:36pm CST
Posted by Emerje on February 6th, 2023 @ 8:36pm CST
I do like Snarl, but I do think it's strange that Grimlock is looking smaller and smaller with every release. His head is smaller than the others and his torso isn't as wide. I thought maybe Slug's unusual shoulder width would be a one-off issue, but others just seem to have more bulk to them.
As for Snarl, my only issues is he doesn't look great from behind with so much red up the back of stego mode and he's more orange than yellow, doesn't really match the others. The sword does seem to be his, it's clearly gang molded with the yellow parts. I get that they can't easily put the metallic coating on the jointed legs like they did the tail and plates, but maybe they should have changed up the plastic to something better matching?
Emerje
As for Snarl, my only issues is he doesn't look great from behind with so much red up the back of stego mode and he's more orange than yellow, doesn't really match the others. The sword does seem to be his, it's clearly gang molded with the yellow parts. I get that they can't easily put the metallic coating on the jointed legs like they did the tail and plates, but maybe they should have changed up the plastic to something better matching?
Emerje
Re: First Look at Studio Series 86 Leader Snarl (2155466)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on February 6th, 2023 @ 9:50pm CST
Well, Hasbro won't mind the leakers and such because free publicity.
And if you want to be of of these early leakers, that's simple. Just monitor the eBay listings like a hawk and when you find one, WIN THE BID........ even if you have to pay 500$ for an incomplete/imperfect toy that you'll have for 20$ some months later.
....Or if you're sane, you do wait like everybody else.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Posted by -Kanrabat- on February 6th, 2023 @ 9:50pm CST
DeathReviews wrote:Well, regardless, those "leaks" will never stop. And if they want to pay a fortune for these... samples... to be the early bird reviewers, so be it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I saw some of these popping on eBay and the bids they get are insane. I remember way back then an "early" DotM voyager Megatron being sold for hundreds of dollars.
I kind of recall that Hasbro themselves invited some of these early leakers to one of their company gatherings. Knowing that some of these reviewers get their figures from, shall we say, 'dodgey' sources, but inviting them anyway? Well, it conveys the impression that Hasbro is in cahoots with them to generate 'buzz'. Or at the very least, they've opted not to oppose their activities. Which is a downer to less well-heeled fans and reviewers, who have to wait in line with everybody else...
Well, Hasbro won't mind the leakers and such because free publicity.
And if you want to be of of these early leakers, that's simple. Just monitor the eBay listings like a hawk and when you find one, WIN THE BID........ even if you have to pay 500$ for an incomplete/imperfect toy that you'll have for 20$ some months later.
....Or if you're sane, you do wait like everybody else.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Re: First Look at Studio Series 86 Leader Snarl (2155478)
Posted by Rodimus Prime on February 7th, 2023 @ 12:11am CST
Also, I wonder if these Dinobots will be the closest we get to MP releases for the other 4. If so, I might start displaying them with my MP Grimlock, who's a bit larger than these leaders. He might be in better scale with all except Sludge.
Posted by Rodimus Prime on February 7th, 2023 @ 12:11am CST
I was going to bring this up earlier. I noticed out of all 4 Grimlock has the smallest upper torso, even though he should only be smaller than Sludge.Emerje wrote:I do like Snarl, but I do think it's strange that Grimlock is looking smaller and smaller with every release. His head is smaller than the others and his torso isn't as wide. I thought maybe Slug's unusual shoulder width would be a one-off issue, but others just seem to have more bulk to them.
Also, I wonder if these Dinobots will be the closest we get to MP releases for the other 4. If so, I might start displaying them with my MP Grimlock, who's a bit larger than these leaders. He might be in better scale with all except Sludge.
Re: First Look at Studio Series 86 Leader Snarl (2155502)
Posted by MeGrimlock78 on February 7th, 2023 @ 7:37am CST
Exactly. This is why I still have a sweet spot for the recoloured AoE Dinobots. Grimlock and Sludge being voyager class, and the rest deluxe, works so well as a group in dino mode.
I'm ok with bot mode being the same height, but he looks like a baby brontosaurus in dino mode (and same goes for the G1 and PotP toys) I think I have too many dinobots...
Posted by MeGrimlock78 on February 7th, 2023 @ 7:37am CST
Rodimus Prime wrote:Yeah, that tail... Didn't like it on the G1 figure (or the POTP) and I don't like it here. Otherwise, looks great. That group shot once again reinforces my view that Sludge should have been a Commander class or a tall leader. His dino mode is too small compared to the others and in robot mode he should be at least a head taller than Grimlock. My opinions only of course.
Exactly. This is why I still have a sweet spot for the recoloured AoE Dinobots. Grimlock and Sludge being voyager class, and the rest deluxe, works so well as a group in dino mode.
I'm ok with bot mode being the same height, but he looks like a baby brontosaurus in dino mode (and same goes for the G1 and PotP toys) I think I have too many dinobots...
Re: First Look at Studio Series 86 Leader Snarl (2155509)
Posted by Rodimus Prime on February 7th, 2023 @ 10:11am CST
And for some reason ever since I read the G1 comics back in the day I always thought of Sludge as the group's heavy-hitter, even though they're all heavy-hitters, really. Well except maybe Swoop. But as you said, the redecoed set nailed their scale to each other, now if only they were all 1 size larger...
In the end, I'm still happy we're getting all these guys at this size at all, instead of just Grimlock.
Posted by Rodimus Prime on February 7th, 2023 @ 10:11am CST
Yes, I still need to get the set for that reason as well. And I wish they got Studio Series versions also, but?at this rate we'll probably see Grimlock updated before we see the others.MeGrimlock78 wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:Yeah, that tail... Didn't like it on the G1 figure (or the POTP) and I don't like it here. Otherwise, looks great. That group shot once again reinforces my view that Sludge should have been a Commander class or a tall leader. His dino mode is too small compared to the others and in robot mode he should be at least a head taller than Grimlock. My opinions only of course.
Exactly. This is why I still have a sweet spot for the recoloured AoE Dinobots. Grimlock and Sludge being voyager class, and the rest deluxe, works so well as a group in dino mode.
No such thing as too many Dinobots.I'm ok with bot mode being the same height, but he looks like a baby brontosaurus in dino mode (and same goes for the G1 and PotP toys) I think I have too many dinobots...
And for some reason ever since I read the G1 comics back in the day I always thought of Sludge as the group's heavy-hitter, even though they're all heavy-hitters, really. Well except maybe Swoop. But as you said, the redecoed set nailed their scale to each other, now if only they were all 1 size larger...
In the end, I'm still happy we're getting all these guys at this size at all, instead of just Grimlock.
Re: First Look at Studio Series 86 Leader Snarl (2155518)
Posted by MeGrimlock78 on February 7th, 2023 @ 10:39am CST
Tell that to my wife!
Still missing Pretender Grimlock, and very nearly pulled the trigger on some Iron Factory War Within Dynabots the other day, but can't quite bring myself to spend $40 each on Legends-Sized figures...
Posted by MeGrimlock78 on February 7th, 2023 @ 10:39am CST
Rodimus Prime wrote:No such thing as too many Dinobots.
Tell that to my wife!
Still missing Pretender Grimlock, and very nearly pulled the trigger on some Iron Factory War Within Dynabots the other day, but can't quite bring myself to spend $40 each on Legends-Sized figures...
Re: First Look at Studio Series 86 Leader Snarl (2155522)
Posted by sol magnus on February 7th, 2023 @ 10:57am CST
I'm looking for those. Where did you see them? Nevermind. I found them. I see why you blinked. LOL
Posted by sol magnus on February 7th, 2023 @ 10:57am CST
MeGrimlock78 wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:No such thing as too many Dinobots.
Tell that to my wife!
Still missing Pretender Grimlock, and very nearly pulled the trigger on some Iron Factory War Within Dynabots the other day, but can't quite bring myself to spend $40 each on Legends-Sized figures...
I'm looking for those. Where did you see them? Nevermind. I found them. I see why you blinked. LOL
Re: First Look at Studio Series 86 Leader Snarl (2155533)
Posted by MeGrimlock78 on February 7th, 2023 @ 11:40am CST
There are two listings on eBay right now. One for $490 + $130 shipping from China, and one for $850 + $70 shipping from Italy. Oh, that's Canadian $, btw.
When I said $40 per, that's my self-imposed limit, not what I saw them for.
Posted by MeGrimlock78 on February 7th, 2023 @ 11:40am CST
sol magnus wrote:I'm looking for those. Where did you see them?
There are two listings on eBay right now. One for $490 + $130 shipping from China, and one for $850 + $70 shipping from Italy. Oh, that's Canadian $, btw.
When I said $40 per, that's my self-imposed limit, not what I saw them for.
Re: First Look at Studio Series 86 Leader Snarl (2155563)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on February 7th, 2023 @ 4:39pm CST
Are you talking about those 3P toys specifically?
Because Pretender Grimlock was and still is one of the cheapest pretenders:
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?siteid=0&pub=5574891718&campid=5336631220&customid=&toolid=10001&mkevt=1&mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.ca%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_from%3DR4%20...%20%26_osacat%3D0%3C%2Fa%3E%26
Posted by -Kanrabat- on February 7th, 2023 @ 4:39pm CST
MeGrimlock78 wrote:sol magnus wrote:I'm looking for those. Where did you see them?
There are two listings on eBay right now. One for $490 + $130 shipping from China, and one for $850 + $70 shipping from Italy. Oh, that's Canadian $, btw.
When I said $40 per, that's my self-imposed limit, not what I saw them for.
Are you talking about those 3P toys specifically?
Because Pretender Grimlock was and still is one of the cheapest pretenders:
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?siteid=0&pub=5574891718&campid=5336631220&customid=&toolid=10001&mkevt=1&mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.ca%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_from%3DR4%20...%20%26_osacat%3D0%3C%2Fa%3E%26
Re: First Look at Studio Series 86 Leader Snarl (2155566)
Posted by sol magnus on February 7th, 2023 @ 4:59pm CST
Yes, the Asura Knights. Personally, I need them for a stop motion project I've been working on. After seeing that pricing, I'm probably gonna do some re-writes.
Posted by sol magnus on February 7th, 2023 @ 4:59pm CST
-Kanrabat- wrote:MeGrimlock78 wrote:sol magnus wrote:I'm looking for those. Where did you see them?
There are two listings on eBay right now. One for $490 + $130 shipping from China, and one for $850 + $70 shipping from Italy. Oh, that's Canadian $, btw.
When I said $40 per, that's my self-imposed limit, not what I saw them for.
Are you talking about those 3P toys specifically?
Because Pretender Grimlock was and still is one of the cheapest pretenders:
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?siteid=0&pub=5574891718&campid=5336631220&customid=&toolid=10001&mkevt=1&mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.ca%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_from%3DR4%20...%20%26_osacat%3D0%3C%2Fa%3E%26
Yes, the Asura Knights. Personally, I need them for a stop motion project I've been working on. After seeing that pricing, I'm probably gonna do some re-writes.
Re: First Look at Studio Series 86 Leader Snarl (2155649)
Posted by Sowndwave76 on February 8th, 2023 @ 6:01pm CST
Posted by Sowndwave76 on February 8th, 2023 @ 6:01pm CST
So having seen photos of Snarl now, and looking over them multiple times, here are some thoughts:
I've edited my post because the few "negative" critiques I listed were so minor I don't feel they're even worth sharing them.
For me there is exponentially more good than bad with this guy.
That bot mode is really, really on point.
The overall proportions are much better than Slag's, better than Sludge's, and as good as Grimlock's.
Slag's hollow horns had me thinking Snarl's tail would be a hollow, waffly mess when split apart for bot mode. But those look incredibly good, and really give off the vibe those become wings (wings that don't give him flight but aid him when flying).
And being this is a toy, I'm good with the size of the dino plates.
In terms of the stego mode scaling with the others' dino modes, I'd say it's good.
I don't mean this aggressively, but people are going to have to deal a couple things with these Dinobots' alt modes:
Sludge is too small, and Swoop will be too big.
To scale these two accurately based on their dinosaur modes just wasn't realistic.
Imo, yes, Sludge's bronto mode should be bigger... But not Commander Class bigger.
That would've made him look so awkward with the others in both modes.
With Swoop, scaling his Pterodactyl mode correctly means his bot mode would've been a deluxe.
I cannot wait to get this Snarl, and these 4 have me feeling very confident that Swoop will be incredibly good as well.
I've edited my post because the few "negative" critiques I listed were so minor I don't feel they're even worth sharing them.
For me there is exponentially more good than bad with this guy.
That bot mode is really, really on point.
The overall proportions are much better than Slag's, better than Sludge's, and as good as Grimlock's.
Slag's hollow horns had me thinking Snarl's tail would be a hollow, waffly mess when split apart for bot mode. But those look incredibly good, and really give off the vibe those become wings (wings that don't give him flight but aid him when flying).
And being this is a toy, I'm good with the size of the dino plates.
In terms of the stego mode scaling with the others' dino modes, I'd say it's good.
I don't mean this aggressively, but people are going to have to deal a couple things with these Dinobots' alt modes:
Sludge is too small, and Swoop will be too big.
To scale these two accurately based on their dinosaur modes just wasn't realistic.
Imo, yes, Sludge's bronto mode should be bigger... But not Commander Class bigger.
That would've made him look so awkward with the others in both modes.
With Swoop, scaling his Pterodactyl mode correctly means his bot mode would've been a deluxe.
I cannot wait to get this Snarl, and these 4 have me feeling very confident that Swoop will be incredibly good as well.
Re: First Look at Studio Series 86 Leader Snarl (2155661)
Posted by MeGrimlock78 on February 9th, 2023 @ 7:30am CST
Posted by MeGrimlock78 on February 9th, 2023 @ 7:30am CST
My sentiments exactly.
I was worried Snarl's head would be too cartoon accurate, but they did a good job of detailing (still not a huge fan of Sludge's face), which makes me very confident Swoop will be as good as the others.
I also had slight fears they would phone it in with the last two, since a lot of us are already committed to buying all five, regardless of how good or bad they are.
I was worried Snarl's head would be too cartoon accurate, but they did a good job of detailing (still not a huge fan of Sludge's face), which makes me very confident Swoop will be as good as the others.
I also had slight fears they would phone it in with the last two, since a lot of us are already committed to buying all five, regardless of how good or bad they are.
Re: First Look at Studio Series 86 Leader Snarl (2155679)
Posted by Sowndwave76 on February 9th, 2023 @ 3:41pm CST
I had a very similar thought...
Especially with Snarl; even though he's my favorite of the 5, I'm guessing he could be the least popular overall.
The good thing with Swoop is that in a lot of ways he's going to be difficult to screw-up.
For being a modern figure, especially leader class, his transformation sequence is about as simple as you can get.
He doesn't have any intricate, crazy design elements/aspects.
There aren't a ton of paint apps, and I think he'll actually use less gold metallic paint than the others.
The one "issue" I've thought about is a waist swivel... As seen in the animation, the dino beak should be long and extend down in front of bot mode pelvis.
I'm betting to use a waist swivel the beak will have to be untucked from the torso.
Which is probably the best, least sacrificing option.
I've also had a thought that the only aspect of Swoop that starts to qualify him for leader class cost is plastic use, so I could see Hastak adding in another pack-in figure.
Why not take Core Spike, scale it down just a little, and with almost no changes you'd have Daniel.
The only retooling would be to remove the shirt collar/neck from Spike, maybe make the head shape more rounded (child-like), and use a lighter brown for the hair.
Assuming they're not going to make a Core class Daniel, this would get him out there without a separate release or a brand-new design.
I mean, for being a human character he was in the movie quite a bit, and way more than Spike.
What I'd really like is Swoop to come packed with a blaster, sword, and swords for the first 3.
However, I get it, none of this is likely.
Knowing other than repaints these big 'ol Dinobot molds can't be used (or even retooled) for other characters, I understand Hastak wanting to get theirs for these figures.
So if Swoop is a $40 figure that costs $55, yeah, I'm going to be alright with that.
Posted by Sowndwave76 on February 9th, 2023 @ 3:41pm CST
MeGrimlock78 wrote:I also had slight fears they would phone it in with the last two, since a lot of us are already committed to buying all five, regardless of how good or bad they are.
I had a very similar thought...
Especially with Snarl; even though he's my favorite of the 5, I'm guessing he could be the least popular overall.
The good thing with Swoop is that in a lot of ways he's going to be difficult to screw-up.
For being a modern figure, especially leader class, his transformation sequence is about as simple as you can get.
He doesn't have any intricate, crazy design elements/aspects.
There aren't a ton of paint apps, and I think he'll actually use less gold metallic paint than the others.
The one "issue" I've thought about is a waist swivel... As seen in the animation, the dino beak should be long and extend down in front of bot mode pelvis.
I'm betting to use a waist swivel the beak will have to be untucked from the torso.
Which is probably the best, least sacrificing option.
I've also had a thought that the only aspect of Swoop that starts to qualify him for leader class cost is plastic use, so I could see Hastak adding in another pack-in figure.
Why not take Core Spike, scale it down just a little, and with almost no changes you'd have Daniel.
The only retooling would be to remove the shirt collar/neck from Spike, maybe make the head shape more rounded (child-like), and use a lighter brown for the hair.
Assuming they're not going to make a Core class Daniel, this would get him out there without a separate release or a brand-new design.
I mean, for being a human character he was in the movie quite a bit, and way more than Spike.
What I'd really like is Swoop to come packed with a blaster, sword, and swords for the first 3.
However, I get it, none of this is likely.
Knowing other than repaints these big 'ol Dinobot molds can't be used (or even retooled) for other characters, I understand Hastak wanting to get theirs for these figures.
So if Swoop is a $40 figure that costs $55, yeah, I'm going to be alright with that.
Re: First Look at Studio Series 86 Leader Snarl (2155682)
Posted by sol magnus on February 9th, 2023 @ 4:13pm CST
With the caveat I'm forced to go to due to the disappointment that is Breakdown, where the Dinobots are concerned Hasbro hasn't let us down yet...but 'yet' is the key word.
Posted by sol magnus on February 9th, 2023 @ 4:13pm CST
Sowndwave76 wrote:So if Swoop is a $40 figure that costs $55, yeah, I'm going to be alright with that.
With the caveat I'm forced to go to due to the disappointment that is Breakdown, where the Dinobots are concerned Hasbro hasn't let us down yet...but 'yet' is the key word.
Re: First Look at Studio Series 86 Leader Snarl (2155685)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on February 9th, 2023 @ 5:01pm CST
Maybe Swoop will come with a "minifig" of some sort. Plus he's sure to have a big wingspan with lots of joints so that may count.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on February 9th, 2023 @ 5:01pm CST
sol magnus wrote:Sowndwave76 wrote:So if Swoop is a $40 figure that costs $55, yeah, I'm going to be alright with that.
With the caveat I'm forced to go to due to the disappointment that is Breakdown, where the Dinobots are concerned Hasbro hasn't let us down yet...but 'yet' is the key word.
Maybe Swoop will come with a "minifig" of some sort. Plus he's sure to have a big wingspan with lots of joints so that may count.
Re: First Look at Studio Series 86 Leader Snarl (2155690)
Posted by ZeroWolf on February 9th, 2023 @ 5:53pm CST
Yeah, it's the wing span I'm betting on with him being leader class. Given Swoops build, they could have technically done him at Voyager Class to make him the same height. However, once you throw the wings on there, you can see why he's in the same class.
Posted by ZeroWolf on February 9th, 2023 @ 5:53pm CST
-Kanrabat- wrote:sol magnus wrote:Sowndwave76 wrote:So if Swoop is a $40 figure that costs $55, yeah, I'm going to be alright with that.
With the caveat I'm forced to go to due to the disappointment that is Breakdown, where the Dinobots are concerned Hasbro hasn't let us down yet...but 'yet' is the key word.
Maybe Swoop will come with a "minifig" of some sort. Plus he's sure to have a big wingspan with lots of joints so that may count.
Yeah, it's the wing span I'm betting on with him being leader class. Given Swoops build, they could have technically done him at Voyager Class to make him the same height. However, once you throw the wings on there, you can see why he's in the same class.
Re: First Look at Studio Series 86 Leader Snarl (2155691)
Posted by william-james88 on February 9th, 2023 @ 5:58pm CST
Posted by william-james88 on February 9th, 2023 @ 5:58pm CST
Swoop should be as tall as the others with a good wingspan. That sounds like more than enough for leader priced toy, I would not want him cheapened. The rest of the swords can always be done in a weapons pack.
Re: First Look at Studio Series 86 Leader Snarl (2155692)
Posted by Till-all-R1 on February 9th, 2023 @ 6:12pm CST
Posted by Till-all-R1 on February 9th, 2023 @ 6:12pm CST
Haven't they all been Leaders so far anyway? Then I don't see why Swoop wouldn't be as well.
That said he could easily be a Voyager if the wings are foldable enough to fit inside said box.
I don't see it happening because Hasbro would rather make $55 than $35 it's plain economics and the Company needs or wants to increase profits by 50% overall.
That said he could easily be a Voyager if the wings are foldable enough to fit inside said box.
I don't see it happening because Hasbro would rather make $55 than $35 it's plain economics and the Company needs or wants to increase profits by 50% overall.
Re: First Look at Studio Series 86 Leader Snarl (2155695)
Posted by william-james88 on February 9th, 2023 @ 6:42pm CST
It will be a leader for sure, Hasbro confirmed it. People were just debating if he would have extra to make up for him being less of a leader than the others. But I don't see how he'd be less. Not only is he as tall as the others but he also has those wings. Who knows, that may surpass the leader price tag and be sold as next year's commander.
Posted by william-james88 on February 9th, 2023 @ 6:42pm CST
Till-all-R1 wrote:Haven't they all been Leaders so far anyway? Then I don't see why Swoop wouldn't be as well.
That said he could easily be a Voyager if the wings are foldable enough to fit inside said box.
I don't see it happening because Hasbro would rather make $55 than $35 it's plain economics and the Company needs or wants to increase profits by 50% overall.
It will be a leader for sure, Hasbro confirmed it. People were just debating if he would have extra to make up for him being less of a leader than the others. But I don't see how he'd be less. Not only is he as tall as the others but he also has those wings. Who knows, that may surpass the leader price tag and be sold as next year's commander.
Re: First Look at Studio Series 86 Leader Snarl (2155698)
Posted by ZeroWolf on February 9th, 2023 @ 6:57pm CST
This ^ (though @ the commander joke.
Posted by ZeroWolf on February 9th, 2023 @ 6:57pm CST
william-james88 wrote:Till-all-R1 wrote:Haven't they all been Leaders so far anyway? Then I don't see why Swoop wouldn't be as well.
That said he could easily be a Voyager if the wings are foldable enough to fit inside said box.
I don't see it happening because Hasbro would rather make $55 than $35 it's plain economics and the Company needs or wants to increase profits by 50% overall.
It will be a leader for sure, Hasbro confirmed it. People were just debating if he would have extra to make up for him being less of a leader than the others. But I don't see how he'd be less. Not only is he as tall as the others but he also has those wings. Who knows, that may surpass the leader price tag and be sold as next year's commander.
This ^ (though
@ the commander joke.
Re: First Look at Studio Series 86 Leader Snarl (2155700)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on February 9th, 2023 @ 7:00pm CST
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on February 9th, 2023 @ 7:00pm CST
I hope Swoop is good, and i also hope that we get a repaint of him, I want to have a version of the Veteran for the beast shelf.
Re: First Look at Studio Series 86 Leader Snarl (2155701)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on February 9th, 2023 @ 7:00pm CST
That's not all that works. It's all about parts counts and engineering.
Origin Bee could fit inside a Core class box but he's a deluxe.
SS86 Ironhide is the same size as Select DK-Guard, ER Ratchet, and ER Ironhide, yet he's a voyager.
And so on.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on February 9th, 2023 @ 7:00pm CST
Till-all-R1 wrote:Haven't they all been Leaders so far anyway? Then I don't see why Swoop wouldn't be as well.
That said he could easily be a Voyager if the wings are foldable enough to fit inside said box.
That's not all that works. It's all about parts counts and engineering.
Origin Bee could fit inside a Core class box but he's a deluxe.
SS86 Ironhide is the same size as Select DK-Guard, ER Ratchet, and ER Ironhide, yet he's a voyager.
And so on.
