Director Announced for Animated Transformers Prequel Movie and Final Draft Being Reviewed
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We have some pretty big news regarding an upcoming Transformers film. This is for the animated origin film which would be about the relationship between Optimus and Megatron leading into the War on Cybertron. We now know that the director will be Josh Clooney who recently directed Toy Story 4. He is currently reviewing the final draft from writers Andrew Barrer & Gabriel Ferrari. Those two did production work on Ant-Man and were the credited writers on Ant-Man and the Wasp. The article from Deadline says that this is not part of the live action Bay franchise (which they reiterate does include Bumblebee). Hence why calling it a prequel, as the article does, is a bit of a contradiction. It's pretty cool to know that this big budget animated film is now in the hands of the man who directed the most recent winner of the Oscar for best animated film. You'll let us know what you think.
Here is what Sabrblade initially shared with us.
Here is what Sabrblade initially shared with us.
Sabrblade wrote:Houston, we have a director!
It is none other than Josh Cooley, director of Toy Story 4 and who has also had worked on The Incredibles, Cars, Ratatouille, Up, Cars 2, and was one of the writers of Inside Out.
This film will also explore the history of Optimus and Megatron set on Cybertron in the past, but curiously, the article claims that this movie is ostensibly "separate and apart from" the live action films. Time will tell what that entails.
Credit(s): Deadline
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Re: Director Announced for Animated Transformers Prequel Movie and Final Draft Being Reviewed (2062801)
Posted by Ultra Markus on April 29th, 2020 @ 10:23pm CDT
Posted by Ultra Markus on April 29th, 2020 @ 10:23pm CDT
it will be interesting to see which adaptation of transformers this will be apart of or if it will be separate from everything else 
Re: Director Announced for Animated Transformers Prequel Movie and Final Draft Being Reviewed (2062810)
Posted by TulioDude on April 29th, 2020 @ 10:46pm CDT
Posted by TulioDude on April 29th, 2020 @ 10:46pm CDT
This between the Netflix show,the Bumblebee movie,the War Cybertron/Alligned games and the IDW comics,I don't see how this will be much different.
It would be cool to have a story to tie in the previous movies stories,but since it states it's not tied to the movie continuity,it will be another origin story.
I think this can be cool by itself,I just wonder what the thought process that happened.
It would be cool to have a story to tie in the previous movies stories,but since it states it's not tied to the movie continuity,it will be another origin story.
I think this can be cool by itself,I just wonder what the thought process that happened.
Re: Director Announced for Animated Transformers Prequel Movie and Final Draft Being Reviewed (2062811)
Posted by Sabrblade on April 29th, 2020 @ 10:49pm CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on April 29th, 2020 @ 10:49pm CDT
This movie sounds like it might be another adaptation of the Optimus/Megatron history from the Binder of Revelation (since its lore is still influencing current media like Cyberverse and such), kinda like what the first half of the Exodus novel was.
Re: Director Announced for Animated Transformers Prequel Movie and Final Draft Being Reviewed (2062812)
Posted by Quantum Surge on April 29th, 2020 @ 10:50pm CDT
Posted by Quantum Surge on April 29th, 2020 @ 10:50pm CDT
Sounds neat, though I have to admit I've grown mixed with Toy Story 4 thanks to, well, certain things that irk me as a fan. Still, kind of bummed out that it's said to not be connected to the 6 movies because I was interested in seeing how it'd better connect things, even if I've seen what the backstory of Prime and Megatron is like in most continuities and would rather stray away from backstories.
Re: Director Announced for Animated Transformers Prequel Movie and Final Draft Being Reviewed (2062822)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on April 29th, 2020 @ 11:08pm CDT
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on April 29th, 2020 @ 11:08pm CDT
What I am really asking with this is to please not be a Prime Wars cartoon / War for Cybertron cartoon on the big screen. Please be more interesting and have more fun with the character designs and story.
Re: Director Announced for Animated Transformers Prequel Movie and Final Draft Being Reviewed (2062841)
Posted by o.supreme on April 30th, 2020 @ 12:26am CDT
Posted by o.supreme on April 30th, 2020 @ 12:26am CDT
If we get a 90 minute version of the 5 minutes of scenes on Cybertron from the Bumblebee Movie, I will be extremely happy.
Sure I can think of many other ideas I'd prefer, but seeing as this is set in the live action movie verse I'm just laying out the best possible outcome I can think of.
Sure I can think of many other ideas I'd prefer, but seeing as this is set in the live action movie verse I'm just laying out the best possible outcome I can think of.
Re: Director Announced for Animated Transformers Prequel Movie and Final Draft Being Reviewed (2062842)
Posted by Sabrblade on April 30th, 2020 @ 12:28am CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on April 30th, 2020 @ 12:28am CDT
I don't think you read the news story closely enough.o.supreme wrote:If we get a 90 minute version of the 5 minutes of scenes on Cybertron from the Bumblebee Movie, I will be extremely happy.
Sure I can think of many other ideas I'd prefer, but seeing as this is set in the live action movie verse I'm just laying out the best possible outcome I can think of.
Re: Director Announced for Animated Transformers Prequel Movie and Final Draft Being Reviewed (2062848)
Posted by noctorro on April 30th, 2020 @ 1:19am CDT
Posted by noctorro on April 30th, 2020 @ 1:19am CDT
Director sounds very good!
Writers, terrible. Hopefully they will stand out this time and write a cool story (by accident).
I do hope they do more of a Cyberverse type of character design rather than Animated or Prime. Don't like those designs to be honest.
Writers, terrible. Hopefully they will stand out this time and write a cool story (by accident).
I do hope they do more of a Cyberverse type of character design rather than Animated or Prime. Don't like those designs to be honest.
Re: Director Announced for Animated Transformers Prequel Movie and Final Draft Being Reviewed (2062850)
Posted by Burn on April 30th, 2020 @ 1:57am CDT
Posted by Burn on April 30th, 2020 @ 1:57am CDT
So ... same ol story that's been told a number of times with slight variances. Awesome.
Re: Director Announced for Animated Transformers Prequel Movie and Final Draft Being Reviewed (2062851)
Posted by ZeroWolf on April 30th, 2020 @ 2:55am CDT
Posted by ZeroWolf on April 30th, 2020 @ 2:55am CDT
I really mis-read the title at first and it made me excited, an actual new installment in the Animated branch of the franchise! Awesome! Then I went back and was deflated...then I read the part where it will be unconnected to neither the first five tf live action movies or the Bumblebee movie. I knew they were on about rebooting everything anyway but they'll have this continuity and Bumblebee 2 (and if rumours persist, Beast Wars), but can they really juggle this?
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Posted by blackeyedprime on April 30th, 2020 @ 4:07am CDT
Posted by blackeyedprime on April 30th, 2020 @ 4:07am CDT
Not that interested in the story, I would rather something new or go back to the uprising vs the quints and have the design team actually have to do new designs/characters (which should also prevent them from screwing any existing characters up) but it could be good.
Re: Director Announced for Animated Transformers Prequel Movie and Final Draft Being Reviewed (2062881)
Posted by Sabrblade on April 30th, 2020 @ 9:15am CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on April 30th, 2020 @ 9:15am CDT
Cyberverse season 3 says "Hi."blackeyedprime wrote: or go back to the uprising vs the quints
Re: Director Announced for Animated Transformers Prequel Movie and Final Draft Being Reviewed (2062938)
Posted by o.supreme on April 30th, 2020 @ 3:15pm CDT
My apologies, yes it was a bit confusing. So not connected to anything else, but still, I'll take that 90 minute film that looks like 5 minuets of BB on Cybertron.
But those aren't Quintessons, those are Quin tessins', the cast off rejects of the originals.
Posted by o.supreme on April 30th, 2020 @ 3:15pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:I don't think you read the news story closely enough.o.supreme wrote:If we get a 90 minute version of the 5 minutes of scenes on Cybertron from the Bumblebee Movie, I will be extremely happy.
Sure I can think of many other ideas I'd prefer, but seeing as this is set in the live action movie verse I'm just laying out the best possible outcome I can think of.
My apologies, yes it was a bit confusing. So not connected to anything else, but still, I'll take that 90 minute film that looks like 5 minuets of BB on Cybertron.
Sabrblade wrote:Cyberverse season 3 says "Hi."blackeyedprime wrote: or go back to the uprising vs the quints
But those aren't Quintessons, those are Quin tessins', the cast off rejects of the originals.
Re: Director Announced for Animated Transformers Prequel Movie and Final Draft Being Reviewed (2062943)
Posted by megamanfan on April 30th, 2020 @ 3:51pm CDT
Posted by megamanfan on April 30th, 2020 @ 3:51pm CDT
now THAT'S interesting. there's a lot of story potential with how they interpret OP and megatron's relationship, and the politics surrounding it. genuinely interested just from hearing this small synopsis.
Re: Director Announced for Animated Transformers Prequel Movie and Final Draft Being Reviewed (2062949)
Posted by Sabrblade on April 30th, 2020 @ 4:21pm CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on April 30th, 2020 @ 4:21pm CDT
o.supreme wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Cyberverse season 3 says "Hi."blackeyedprime wrote: or go back to the uprising vs the quints
But those aren't Quintessons, those are Quin tessins', the cast off rejects of the originals.
Re: Director Announced for Animated Transformers Prequel Movie and Final Draft Being Reviewed (2062951)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on April 30th, 2020 @ 4:50pm CDT
I actually prefer the Cyberverse pronunciation myself
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on April 30th, 2020 @ 4:50pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:o.supreme wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Cyberverse season 3 says "Hi."blackeyedprime wrote: or go back to the uprising vs the quints
But those aren't Quintessons, those are Quin tessins', the cast off rejects of the originals.
I actually prefer the Cyberverse pronunciation myself
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Posted by o.supreme on April 30th, 2020 @ 4:54pm CDT
It's like nails on a chalkboard to me, like TeleTRON . But, to each their own. For the record, you'd love the English dub of the Japanese TF Game for PS2, that's how they say it as well.
Posted by o.supreme on April 30th, 2020 @ 4:54pm CDT
It's like nails on a chalkboard to me, like TeleTRON . But, to each their own. For the record, you'd love the English dub of the Japanese TF Game for PS2, that's how they say it as well.
Re: Director Announced for Animated Transformers Prequel Movie and Final Draft Being Reviewed (2062954)
Posted by Sabrblade on April 30th, 2020 @ 5:04pm CDT
Let's also not forget that the G1 cartoon barely aired over in the UK, so the comics were the dominant G1 media over in that part of the world, in which the Quints' name was presented in only non-audio text form. Kids over there likely read the word and, not unreasonably, thought it was pronounced like the very similar word "quintessence".
Posted by Sabrblade on April 30th, 2020 @ 5:04pm CDT
It's also how Simon Furman pronounces it, so it might just be a non-American English thing, since Boulder Media is based in Ireland.o.supreme wrote::QUINT: It's like nails on a chalkboard to me, like TeleTRON . But, to each their own. For the record, you'd love the English dub of the Japanese TF Game for PS2, that's how they say it as well.
Let's also not forget that the G1 cartoon barely aired over in the UK, so the comics were the dominant G1 media over in that part of the world, in which the Quints' name was presented in only non-audio text form. Kids over there likely read the word and, not unreasonably, thought it was pronounced like the very similar word "quintessence".
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Posted by o.supreme on April 30th, 2020 @ 5:26pm CDT
Pretty much proof it's wrong then. (sorry never been a fan of furman) I get what your getting at though , but this isn't the case of a word that existed for hundreds of years, and some darned Yankee colonists are butchering it. It's a made up word. And again, I never said the pronunciation was wrong, it's just not my preference.
Besides, Modern fans have more access to media from around the world than ever before. I mean I've never heard Jhiaxus name pronounced out loud, (aside from a few comedic online videos which I'm sure were all wrong) but I'd be humble enough to acknowledge that if the way I'd been saying it all along was incorrect, I'd change it, and not just say..."well *the wrong way* is how I've always said it".
Great, here comes the back on topic brigade, my apologies....
It would be great to see an animated film delve into the mostly unseen Ancient History of the Sunbow Animated series, using modern CG as seen in the Bumblebee film, though highly unlikely
Posted by o.supreme on April 30th, 2020 @ 5:26pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:It's also how Simon Furman pronounces it,
Pretty much proof it's wrong then.
(sorry never been a fan of furman) I get what your getting at though , but this isn't the case of a word that existed for hundreds of years, and some darned Yankee colonists are butchering it. It's a made up word. And again, I never said the pronunciation was wrong, it's just not my preference. Besides, Modern fans have more access to media from around the world than ever before. I mean I've never heard Jhiaxus name pronounced out loud, (aside from a few comedic online videos which I'm sure were all wrong) but I'd be humble enough to acknowledge that if the way I'd been saying it all along was incorrect, I'd change it, and not just say..."well *the wrong way* is how I've always said it".
Great, here comes the back on topic brigade, my apologies....
It would be great to see an animated film delve into the mostly unseen Ancient History of the Sunbow Animated series, using modern CG as seen in the Bumblebee film, though highly unlikely
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Posted by ZeroWolf on April 30th, 2020 @ 5:37pm CDT
Posted by ZeroWolf on April 30th, 2020 @ 5:37pm CDT
Can't see it being *that* G1 connected but I wouldn't put it past Hasbro to use it either to get the ball rolling on their GI Joe/Mask /Micronaughts/Transformers shared universe or as backstory for whatever TV project comes after Cyberverse.
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Posted by Delicon on April 30th, 2020 @ 8:39pm CDT
Posted by Delicon on April 30th, 2020 @ 8:39pm CDT
My son is all about cartoons so I look forward to taking him to this one.
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Posted by Deadput on May 1st, 2020 @ 1:22am CDT
Posted by Deadput on May 1st, 2020 @ 1:22am CDT
While I'm in general optimistic about this movie I really do hope they make it somehow distinct/stand out compared to other Cybertron origin stories like the High Moon Cybertron games and other media.
Same with the Optimus and Megatron relationship stuff, I hope there is a new spin on that dynamic instead of the same old Aligned styled "Once brothers now enemies" thing, I would prefer them to be associates in a job rather then super close friends.
Same with the Optimus and Megatron relationship stuff, I hope there is a new spin on that dynamic instead of the same old Aligned styled "Once brothers now enemies" thing, I would prefer them to be associates in a job rather then super close friends.
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Posted by -Kanrabat- on May 2nd, 2020 @ 6:06pm CDT
Posted by -Kanrabat- on May 2nd, 2020 @ 6:06pm CDT
With all the great names there is under this movie, there's high chances it may be good. Appart that, I would love to see that movie being a big blockbuster theatre release. Then in the movie, the Transformers could get original designs. And hopefully, a toy line to go with it.
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Posted by william-james88 on January 22nd, 2022 @ 11:25pm CST
Posted by william-james88 on January 22nd, 2022 @ 11:25pm CST
We have two pieces of news regarding paramount and their Transformers franchise. Firstly, a set of film dates appeared on Twitter which seems to be Paramount's slate for the next couple of years. On it we see the untitled animated Transformers film with the date of July 19, 2024. We know very well by now that dates always change (as we see with Mission Impossible in this same list) but at least we know they have an idea of it's release window and that it is still an ongoing project.
Speaking of things that are no longer ongoing, Skydance had a first look deal with Paramount and they are ending that deal and giving it to Apple instead. However, they still have the right to co-finance and co-produce Transformers movies, so what this means exactly for our beloved franchise is not clear. We have the quote from the Hollywood Reporter below if you need more info.
David Ellison’s prolific Skydance Media and Apple Original Films have struck a first-look deal for a slate of live-action movies in another sign that Apple is getting serious about biting off a piece of the event movie business.
In turn, Skydance is ending its long-running first-look deal with Paramount Pictures, although Skydance will still have the right to co-finance and co-produce such franchises as Mission: Impossible, Top Gun, Transformers and Star Trek beyond those installments already in the offing, such as 2022 Tom Cruise pics Top Gun: Maverick and Mission: Impossible 7.
Speaking of things that are no longer ongoing, Skydance had a first look deal with Paramount and they are ending that deal and giving it to Apple instead. However, they still have the right to co-finance and co-produce Transformers movies, so what this means exactly for our beloved franchise is not clear. We have the quote from the Hollywood Reporter below if you need more info.
David Ellison’s prolific Skydance Media and Apple Original Films have struck a first-look deal for a slate of live-action movies in another sign that Apple is getting serious about biting off a piece of the event movie business.
In turn, Skydance is ending its long-running first-look deal with Paramount Pictures, although Skydance will still have the right to co-finance and co-produce such franchises as Mission: Impossible, Top Gun, Transformers and Star Trek beyond those installments already in the offing, such as 2022 Tom Cruise pics Top Gun: Maverick and Mission: Impossible 7.
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Posted by TulioDude on January 24th, 2022 @ 6:28pm CST
Posted by TulioDude on January 24th, 2022 @ 6:28pm CST
Does this mean Apple is entering the movie market?
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Posted by william-james88 on January 24th, 2022 @ 6:53pm CST
They already did. Have you watched Wolfwalkers?
Posted by william-james88 on January 24th, 2022 @ 6:53pm CST
TulioDude wrote:Does this mean Apple is entering the movie market?
They already did. Have you watched Wolfwalkers?
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Posted by TulioDude on January 25th, 2022 @ 4:56pm CST
Nope.
Posted by TulioDude on January 25th, 2022 @ 4:56pm CST
william-james88 wrote:TulioDude wrote:Does this mean Apple is entering the movie market?
They already did. Have you watched Wolfwalkers?
Nope.
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Posted by william-james88 on April 21st, 2023 @ 8:43am CDT
Posted by william-james88 on April 21st, 2023 @ 8:43am CDT
Collider interviewed Lorenzo di Bonaventura about the upcoming 2024 animated Transformers film, where he is one of the main producers. The movie will take place entirely on Cybertron where we will see much younger versions of characters like Optimus Prime and Megatron. Here is what Lorenzo had to say:
"I could tell you really important parts of this story, which is more than a tease. This is something we were trying to do; we debated a lot about it in live action, and it just was financially impossible to do, which is, the origin story of young Megatron and young Optimus. If you know the origin, they started as friends, and over time things devolved for them and they ended up on two sides. So we're telling the young Optimus and the young Megatron story. We really are telling the origin story of all Transformers, both what they were at the beginning of it, to how they grow, to how they grow apart."
"We’re hoping that there is enough emotional construct to that, that would lead to a trilogy of it because, personally, I think there's a natural trilogy. I'm not always looking to do multiple movies, but there's a natural trilogy around their relationship. So, you're going to see Cybertron in a way you've never seen it, that no one's ever seen it before. Because we're doing an animation, we're allowed to really go all out. If you tried to make this live-action, it would probably be a billion-dollar movie or something."
"You're going to see a lot of the origins of the society, and what broke it apart. The analogy for me is a bit like Krypton when you saw the planet falling apart, and all that. We're not there for a short time, we're there the entire time of the movie, we're on Cybertron, but we are in the challenge that, if you know the lore, they begin to question the hierarchy of how their society has gotten stratified, and how the common man doesn't have the voice, entirely, that they want to have. We're following very true to the origin story of it, and so it's really fun, too, because I've gotten to see some of it – it's not fully executed by any stretch of the imagination, but hearing Optimus and Megatron not as who we know them as, which we see their maturation in this experience. So, in a sense, you're hearing a different character because you're hearing them before they have matured."
"It's not a coming-of-age story. I don't think you’d believe that, in a way, but I would say they're young men who are finding their path. Like I said, it's more than a tease, that's what the story is, and that's the experience you're going to go through. And how they question society, just like all of us, too, could question our society. We’re maybe not as strong as Megatron and Optimus, so maybe we wouldn't make the same choices, but I think it's really going to be an eye-opener for the fans. For the non-fans, you're going to get to meet the characters in their early formation."
"I would say this, we don't spend a lot of time thinking about two and three because it's always hard to do one well. But there is a natural trilogy coming out of this friendship where you can see the divisions and the possible attractions to each other, and why that should play out over three movies, is very natural. So we have a good sense in the broadest terms, but in the broadest terms, we know what the second movie would be about and the third movie would be about through the eyes of what this relationship's going through. So the exact plotting, we haven't worked on that, but how that relationship evolves, devolves, evolves, devolves, all that stuff, that's what's going to drive it if we get lucky, if the first one's a success."
"I could tell you really important parts of this story, which is more than a tease. This is something we were trying to do; we debated a lot about it in live action, and it just was financially impossible to do, which is, the origin story of young Megatron and young Optimus. If you know the origin, they started as friends, and over time things devolved for them and they ended up on two sides. So we're telling the young Optimus and the young Megatron story. We really are telling the origin story of all Transformers, both what they were at the beginning of it, to how they grow, to how they grow apart."
"We’re hoping that there is enough emotional construct to that, that would lead to a trilogy of it because, personally, I think there's a natural trilogy. I'm not always looking to do multiple movies, but there's a natural trilogy around their relationship. So, you're going to see Cybertron in a way you've never seen it, that no one's ever seen it before. Because we're doing an animation, we're allowed to really go all out. If you tried to make this live-action, it would probably be a billion-dollar movie or something."
"You're going to see a lot of the origins of the society, and what broke it apart. The analogy for me is a bit like Krypton when you saw the planet falling apart, and all that. We're not there for a short time, we're there the entire time of the movie, we're on Cybertron, but we are in the challenge that, if you know the lore, they begin to question the hierarchy of how their society has gotten stratified, and how the common man doesn't have the voice, entirely, that they want to have. We're following very true to the origin story of it, and so it's really fun, too, because I've gotten to see some of it – it's not fully executed by any stretch of the imagination, but hearing Optimus and Megatron not as who we know them as, which we see their maturation in this experience. So, in a sense, you're hearing a different character because you're hearing them before they have matured."
"It's not a coming-of-age story. I don't think you’d believe that, in a way, but I would say they're young men who are finding their path. Like I said, it's more than a tease, that's what the story is, and that's the experience you're going to go through. And how they question society, just like all of us, too, could question our society. We’re maybe not as strong as Megatron and Optimus, so maybe we wouldn't make the same choices, but I think it's really going to be an eye-opener for the fans. For the non-fans, you're going to get to meet the characters in their early formation."
"I would say this, we don't spend a lot of time thinking about two and three because it's always hard to do one well. But there is a natural trilogy coming out of this friendship where you can see the divisions and the possible attractions to each other, and why that should play out over three movies, is very natural. So we have a good sense in the broadest terms, but in the broadest terms, we know what the second movie would be about and the third movie would be about through the eyes of what this relationship's going through. So the exact plotting, we haven't worked on that, but how that relationship evolves, devolves, evolves, devolves, all that stuff, that's what's going to drive it if we get lucky, if the first one's a success."
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Posted by First-Aid on April 21st, 2023 @ 9:37am CDT
Posted by First-Aid on April 21st, 2023 @ 9:37am CDT
Why do I have a feeling this is going to devolve into a political statement movie?
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Posted by ZeroWolf on April 21st, 2023 @ 9:47am CDT
It sounds similar to how IDW handled it, which I enjoyed. The Trilogy idea he mentions basically makes me believe that we want see Optimus and Megs come to proper blows till the 3rd movie, which could be interesting, or fail. Still, nice to see more being done with it given how little we hear on it.
Posted by ZeroWolf on April 21st, 2023 @ 9:47am CDT
First-Aid wrote:Why do I have a feeling this is going to devolve into a political statement movie?
It sounds similar to how IDW handled it, which I enjoyed. The Trilogy idea he mentions basically makes me believe that we want see Optimus and Megs come to proper blows till the 3rd movie, which could be interesting, or fail. Still, nice to see more being done with it given how little we hear on it.
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Posted by Stormshot_Prime on April 21st, 2023 @ 9:58am CDT
I mean, as a prequel to a series about a millennia long war, I’d be puzzled if there wasn’t some kind of political element to it. Intergalactic wars don’t just happen in a vacuum (wink)
Posted by Stormshot_Prime on April 21st, 2023 @ 9:58am CDT
First-Aid wrote:Why do I have a feeling this is going to devolve into a political statement movie?
I mean, as a prequel to a series about a millennia long war, I’d be puzzled if there wasn’t some kind of political element to it. Intergalactic wars don’t just happen in a vacuum (wink)
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Posted by griftimus prime on April 21st, 2023 @ 10:34am CDT
Posted by griftimus prime on April 21st, 2023 @ 10:34am CDT
pre war?
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Posted by First-Aid on April 21st, 2023 @ 10:52am CDT
As long as it doesn't get preachy. I miss the days when movies were all about entertainment and didn't have to have a specifically "relevant" political view. The poor writing and getting overly preachy was part of what ruined Jodie Whitaker's run as The Doctor. TV and Movies are an escape for us, there doesn't need to be a "real world relevancy" to the fiction they are telling despite what the writers of pretty much every movie and show think right now.
Tell a good, well-developed story. Don't get preachy about your politics. Make money. The End.
Posted by First-Aid on April 21st, 2023 @ 10:52am CDT
Stormshot_Prime wrote:First-Aid wrote:Why do I have a feeling this is going to devolve into a political statement movie?
I mean, as a prequel to a series about a millennia long war, I’d be puzzled if there wasn’t some kind of political element to it. Intergalactic wars don’t just happen in a vacuum (wink)
As long as it doesn't get preachy. I miss the days when movies were all about entertainment and didn't have to have a specifically "relevant" political view. The poor writing and getting overly preachy was part of what ruined Jodie Whitaker's run as The Doctor. TV and Movies are an escape for us, there doesn't need to be a "real world relevancy" to the fiction they are telling despite what the writers of pretty much every movie and show think right now.
Tell a good, well-developed story. Don't get preachy about your politics. Make money. The End.
Re: Director Announced for Animated Transformers Prequel Movie and Final Draft Being Reviewed (2159820)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on April 21st, 2023 @ 11:00am CDT
Considering this pitch, is that supposed to be ironic?
Overly humanising and riffing off of IDW, then? This seems so incredibly safe and generic.
Just animate Megatron:Origin. There's your Pre-War Cybertron story done in one. It gives both Pax and Megs their character arcs and ideological differences. Without undue padding.
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on April 21st, 2023 @ 11:00am CDT
So, you're going to see Cybertron in a way you've never seen it, that no one's ever seen it before.
Considering this pitch, is that supposed to be ironic?
"and how the common man doesn't have the voice"
"but I would say they're young men who are finding their path."
Overly humanising and riffing off of IDW, then? This seems so incredibly safe and generic.
Just animate Megatron:Origin. There's your Pre-War Cybertron story done in one. It gives both Pax and Megs their character arcs and ideological differences. Without undue padding.
Re: Director Announced for Animated Transformers Prequel Movie and Final Draft Being Reviewed (2159823)
Posted by Sabrblade on April 21st, 2023 @ 11:43am CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on April 21st, 2023 @ 11:43am CDT
You guys do remember that it was the first live-action movie and its tie-in comics (Movie Prequel, Defiance, and Foundation, specifically) that started the idea of Optimus and Megatron as former friends and "brothers" who had a falling out when the war started, right?
It was then the Aligned media (particularly the Exodus novel and flashbacks in the Prime cartoon) that fleshed out this idea into a full-fledged backstory, which IDW, Cyberverse, and the Netflix WFCT cartoon only took afterward.
This description just sounds like it's gonna be yet another version of that backstory.
It was then the Aligned media (particularly the Exodus novel and flashbacks in the Prime cartoon) that fleshed out this idea into a full-fledged backstory, which IDW, Cyberverse, and the Netflix WFCT cartoon only took afterward.
This description just sounds like it's gonna be yet another version of that backstory.
Re: Director Announced for Animated Transformers Prequel Movie and Final Draft Being Reviewed (2159826)
Posted by william-james88 on April 21st, 2023 @ 12:01pm CDT
It will have politics for sure, it's been part of the brand for a long time. Whether or not it triggers you will depend on you.
Posted by william-james88 on April 21st, 2023 @ 12:01pm CDT
First-Aid wrote:Why do I have a feeling this is going to devolve into a political statement movie?
It will have politics for sure, it's been part of the brand for a long time. Whether or not it triggers you will depend on you.
Re: Director Announced for Animated Transformers Prequel Movie and Final Draft Being Reviewed (2159830)
Posted by First-Aid on April 21st, 2023 @ 12:38pm CDT
I understand that completely. The original G1 cartoon was good vs evil, freedom vs domination. Eventually they added the aspect of freeing from slavery (the QUintessons). That said, my worry is that it's going to be OVERLY preachy, trying to sell the viewer on the views (whether left or right) of the writer/director/producer and thus destroy the quality of the entertainment.
Posted by First-Aid on April 21st, 2023 @ 12:38pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:First-Aid wrote:Why do I have a feeling this is going to devolve into a political statement movie?
It will have politics for sure, it's been part of the brand for a long time. Whether or not it triggers you will depend on you.
I understand that completely. The original G1 cartoon was good vs evil, freedom vs domination. Eventually they added the aspect of freeing from slavery (the QUintessons). That said, my worry is that it's going to be OVERLY preachy, trying to sell the viewer on the views (whether left or right) of the writer/director/producer and thus destroy the quality of the entertainment.
Re: Director Announced for Animated Transformers Prequel Movie and Final Draft Being Reviewed (2159834)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on April 21st, 2023 @ 1:25pm CDT
The whole premise of Transformers from the outset was an embittered Civil War. Although initially Sunbow dumbed down adjusted their series for kids, presenting this war in the simplest way possible. We are several decades passed that now. Objectively, in a conflict spanning millions of years, there is no "good vs. evil".
There is no sugar coating what a Civil War is. What it means. Just seeing the franchise at the base G1 level of "toys being smashed together" is naiveté to the very narrative of the source material. That's why Megatron: Origin worked. Why I think it would hit all the right notes for what this "unique" pitch wants to stretch into three films.
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on April 21st, 2023 @ 1:25pm CDT
First-Aid wrote:william-james88 wrote:First-Aid wrote:Why do I have a feeling this is going to devolve into a political statement movie?
It will have politics for sure, it's been part of the brand for a long time. Whether or not it triggers you will depend on you.
I understand that completely. The original G1 cartoon was good vs evil, freedom vs domination. Eventually they added the aspect of freeing from slavery (the QUintessons). That said, my worry is that it's going to be OVERLY preachy, trying to sell the viewer on the views (whether left or right) of the writer/director/producer and thus destroy the quality of the entertainment.
The whole premise of Transformers from the outset was an embittered Civil War. Although initially Sunbow dumbed down adjusted their series for kids, presenting this war in the simplest way possible. We are several decades passed that now. Objectively, in a conflict spanning millions of years, there is no "good vs. evil".
There is no sugar coating what a Civil War is. What it means. Just seeing the franchise at the base G1 level of "toys being smashed together" is naiveté to the very narrative of the source material. That's why Megatron: Origin worked. Why I think it would hit all the right notes for what this "unique" pitch wants to stretch into three films.
Re: Director Announced for Animated Transformers Prequel Movie and Final Draft Being Reviewed (2159839)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on April 21st, 2023 @ 1:48pm CDT
First Aid talked about the woke/cultist politics like every isms under the sun, pronoms shenanigans, and weird sex stuff. Those are way too current year and USA centric. If those are in, these will make a cringe and bad movie.
The universal politics like civil war, defending freedom, corruption, betrayals, all those things that are part of stories told since millennia are UNIVERSAL and can stand the test of time. Usually, such stories, in the hands of competent writers who have actual life experience, can become classics that can remain relevant forever.
There's around 10000 years of written and told stories that proves it.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on April 21st, 2023 @ 1:48pm CDT
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:First-Aid wrote:william-james88 wrote:First-Aid wrote:Why do I have a feeling this is going to devolve into a political statement movie?
It will have politics for sure, it's been part of the brand for a long time. Whether or not it triggers you will depend on you.
I understand that completely. The original G1 cartoon was good vs evil, freedom vs domination. Eventually they added the aspect of freeing from slavery (the QUintessons). That said, my worry is that it's going to be OVERLY preachy, trying to sell the viewer on the views (whether left or right) of the writer/director/producer and thus destroy the quality of the entertainment.
The whole premise of Transformers from the outset was an embittered Civil War. Although initially Sunbow dumbed down adjusted their series for kids, presenting this war in the simplest way possible. We are several decades passed that now. Objectively, in a conflict spanning millions of years, there is no "good vs. evil".
There is no sugar coating what a Civil War is. What it means. Just seeing the franchise at the base G1 level of "toys being smashed together" is naiveté to the very narrative of the source material. That's why Megatron: Origin worked. Why I think it would hit all the right notes for what this "unique" pitch wants to stretch into three films.
First Aid talked about the woke/cultist politics like every isms under the sun, pronoms shenanigans, and weird sex stuff. Those are way too current year and USA centric. If those are in, these will make a cringe and bad movie.
The universal politics like civil war, defending freedom, corruption, betrayals, all those things that are part of stories told since millennia are UNIVERSAL and can stand the test of time. Usually, such stories, in the hands of competent writers who have actual life experience, can become classics that can remain relevant forever.
There's around 10000 years of written and told stories that proves it.
Re: Director Announced for Animated Transformers Prequel Movie and Final Draft Being Reviewed (2159840)
Posted by First-Aid on April 21st, 2023 @ 2:03pm CDT
You explained it better than I did. Thanks, bro.
Incidentally, this isn't just about "woke". I don't give a rats a$$ which direction the writer leans. I don't want to see their political views interfering with the movie. Like Optimus being converted to a female Autobot at some point or Ironhide being a card-carrying NRA member or whatever. Leave that shtuff out and tell us about Transformers.
Posted by First-Aid on April 21st, 2023 @ 2:03pm CDT
-Kanrabat- wrote:AllNewSuperRobot wrote:First-Aid wrote:william-james88 wrote:First-Aid wrote:Why do I have a feeling this is going to devolve into a political statement movie?
It will have politics for sure, it's been part of the brand for a long time. Whether or not it triggers you will depend on you.
I understand that completely. The original G1 cartoon was good vs evil, freedom vs domination. Eventually they added the aspect of freeing from slavery (the QUintessons). That said, my worry is that it's going to be OVERLY preachy, trying to sell the viewer on the views (whether left or right) of the writer/director/producer and thus destroy the quality of the entertainment.
The whole premise of Transformers from the outset was an embittered Civil War. Although initially Sunbow dumbed down adjusted their series for kids, presenting this war in the simplest way possible. We are several decades passed that now. Objectively, in a conflict spanning millions of years, there is no "good vs. evil".
There is no sugar coating what a Civil War is. What it means. Just seeing the franchise at the base G1 level of "toys being smashed together" is naiveté to the very narrative of the source material. That's why Megatron: Origin worked. Why I think it would hit all the right notes for what this "unique" pitch wants to stretch into three films.
First Aid talked about the woke/cultist politics like every isms under the sun, pronoms shenanigans, and weird sex stuff. Those are way too current year and USA centric. If those are in, these will make a cringe and bad movie.
The universal politics like civil war, defending freedom, corruption, betrayals, all those things that are part of stories told since millennia are UNIVERSAL and can stand the test of time. Usually, such stories, in the hands of competent writers who have actual life experience, can become classics that can remain relevant forever.
There's around 10000 years of written and told stories that proves it.
You explained it better than I did. Thanks, bro.
Incidentally, this isn't just about "woke". I don't give a rats a$$ which direction the writer leans. I don't want to see their political views interfering with the movie. Like Optimus being converted to a female Autobot at some point or Ironhide being a card-carrying NRA member or whatever. Leave that shtuff out and tell us about Transformers.
Re: Director Announced for Animated Transformers Prequel Movie and Final Draft Being Reviewed (2159842)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on April 21st, 2023 @ 2:12pm CDT
I see. That's why I wasn't really following. I guess it doesn't alleviate any concerns when the pitch refers to Prime and Megs as "young men".
Why is it so hard for people to see that Transformers are sentient alien robots? Use that as the foundation of your story. Without humanising to the point of making a story so generic it could be about anyone. Not specific to the Transformers.
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on April 21st, 2023 @ 2:12pm CDT
-Kanrabat- wrote: Those are way too current year and USA centric.
I see. That's why I wasn't really following. I guess it doesn't alleviate any concerns when the pitch refers to Prime and Megs as "young men".
Why is it so hard for people to see that Transformers are sentient alien robots? Use that as the foundation of your story. Without humanising to the point of making a story so generic it could be about anyone. Not specific to the Transformers.
Re: Director Announced for Animated Transformers Prequel Movie and Final Draft Being Reviewed (2159844)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on April 21st, 2023 @ 2:15pm CDT
Oh God, this needs to happen. I'd laugh out loud so much!
Posted by -Kanrabat- on April 21st, 2023 @ 2:15pm CDT
First-Aid wrote:Ironhide being a card-carrying NRA member
Oh God, this needs to happen. I'd laugh out loud so much!
Re: Director Announced for Animated Transformers Prequel Movie and Final Draft Being Reviewed (2159846)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on April 21st, 2023 @ 2:21pm CDT
At least try to be original. I'm so very tired of reading the same thing over and over from you regularly.
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on April 21st, 2023 @ 2:21pm CDT
-Kanrabat- wrote:Some Bolshevik
At least try to be original. I'm so very tired of reading the same thing over and over from you regularly.
Re: Director Announced for Animated Transformers Prequel Movie and Final Draft Being Reviewed (2159847)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on April 21st, 2023 @ 2:37pm CDT
Too bad you can't seem to accept basic truths and common sense.
Just get out of your comfort zone and look at the past year's biggest success VS the biggest flops just on the movie front.
Also, look at the movies that remain popular even decades after they are out. There's a common thread that link all of these successes. Meaning prioritising UNIVERSAL VALUES and ENTERTAINMENT.
What's so hard to understand about that?
Posted by -Kanrabat- on April 21st, 2023 @ 2:37pm CDT
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:Some Bolshevik
Too bad you can't seem to accept basic truths and common sense.
Just get out of your comfort zone and look at the past year's biggest success VS the biggest flops just on the movie front.
Also, look at the movies that remain popular even decades after they are out. There's a common thread that link all of these successes. Meaning prioritising UNIVERSAL VALUES and ENTERTAINMENT.
What's so hard to understand about that?
Re: Director Announced for Animated Transformers Prequel Movie and Final Draft Being Reviewed (2159849)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on April 21st, 2023 @ 2:59pm CDT
Too bad you seem to regurgitate the same "woke" word in every post you ever post about fiction.
On the movie front, what has Ant man, Morbius, Shazam!, etc. had in common that makes them "woke"? nothing.
Biggest successes? Avatar 2 (visual trip), Maverick (nostalgia), Spider Man (arguably nostalgia here too).
As for some of the more memorable movies (and if you want, TV series too) of both past and present:
-Star Wars: the Rebellion was Vietnam, the Empire was the US, and Palpatine is Nixon. Stormtroopers were born of Nazi origin.
-John Wick 3: one of the main secondary characters is a non-binary, literally played no role in their part, they just existed, as non-binaries actually do.
-Avatar: it is literally the definition of anti-colonialism
-Avatar the Last Airbender: dictorship, colonialism, fascism
-Legend or Korra: main characters is a bisexual, bore no effect on the story, she just existed, as bisexuals do.
-Jurassic World Camp Cretaceous: 1 of the main 6 is a lesbian, the other a bisexual, it just happened, like any other romance, it was not the "big point" of the show, never was.
-Jurassic Park: literally the first movie established that the Dinosaurs switched genders to breed.
If you are talking about one of the main talking points of a movie or TV series involving LTBGQ+/fascism/etc. and it bears little part in the story, that is one thing.
But just having things exist? that really should not be a factor.
But i also know you, based on years of reading your BS. You will not watch Earthspark now thanks to Nightshade, despite the fact that this character was never advertised, it was a natural part of the show and it isn't made a big deal of, they just exist. So when you say what you say above, I know exactly what you mean.
Considering people can publically get into office holding nazi views in more than just the US, and worldwide many countries suppress or even outride genocide LTBTQ+ folks, folks of certain religions, etc., I'd hardly call a lot of these "here and now in the US only" problems. We are witnessing the rise of people that actively suppress others, while also witnessing old prejudices that we thought were mostly put to rest now rise to mainstream debate once more, when again they should be long dead.
And in the end, you can make a good show or movie that supports those views and is still memorable long after. Can you do it badly? yes, like you can anything. But can it work? again, like everything, it can.
And even if the original reason fades from public exposure (i.e. nixon and the Vietnam war), it can still serve as a warning for the future, as we currently see, history repeats itself.
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on April 21st, 2023 @ 2:59pm CDT
-Kanrabat- wrote:D-Maximal_Primal wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:Some Bolshevik
Too bad you can't seem to accept basic truths and common sense.
Just get out of your comfort zone and look at the past year's biggest success VS the biggest flops just on the movie front.
Also, look at the movies that remain popular even decades after they are out. There's a common thread that link all of these successes. Meaning prioritising UNIVERSAL VALUES and ENTERTAINMENT.
What's so hard to understand about that?
Too bad you seem to regurgitate the same "woke" word in every post you ever post about fiction.
On the movie front, what has Ant man, Morbius, Shazam!, etc. had in common that makes them "woke"? nothing.
Biggest successes? Avatar 2 (visual trip), Maverick (nostalgia), Spider Man (arguably nostalgia here too).
As for some of the more memorable movies (and if you want, TV series too) of both past and present:
-Star Wars: the Rebellion was Vietnam, the Empire was the US, and Palpatine is Nixon. Stormtroopers were born of Nazi origin.
-John Wick 3: one of the main secondary characters is a non-binary, literally played no role in their part, they just existed, as non-binaries actually do.
-Avatar: it is literally the definition of anti-colonialism
-Avatar the Last Airbender: dictorship, colonialism, fascism
-Legend or Korra: main characters is a bisexual, bore no effect on the story, she just existed, as bisexuals do.
-Jurassic World Camp Cretaceous: 1 of the main 6 is a lesbian, the other a bisexual, it just happened, like any other romance, it was not the "big point" of the show, never was.
-Jurassic Park: literally the first movie established that the Dinosaurs switched genders to breed.
If you are talking about one of the main talking points of a movie or TV series involving LTBGQ+/fascism/etc. and it bears little part in the story, that is one thing.
But just having things exist? that really should not be a factor.
But i also know you, based on years of reading your BS. You will not watch Earthspark now thanks to Nightshade, despite the fact that this character was never advertised, it was a natural part of the show and it isn't made a big deal of, they just exist. So when you say what you say above, I know exactly what you mean.
Considering people can publically get into office holding nazi views in more than just the US, and worldwide many countries suppress or even outride genocide LTBTQ+ folks, folks of certain religions, etc., I'd hardly call a lot of these "here and now in the US only" problems. We are witnessing the rise of people that actively suppress others, while also witnessing old prejudices that we thought were mostly put to rest now rise to mainstream debate once more, when again they should be long dead.
And in the end, you can make a good show or movie that supports those views and is still memorable long after. Can you do it badly? yes, like you can anything. But can it work? again, like everything, it can.
And even if the original reason fades from public exposure (i.e. nixon and the Vietnam war), it can still serve as a warning for the future, as we currently see, history repeats itself.
Re: Director Announced for Animated Transformers Prequel Movie and Final Draft Being Reviewed (2159850)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on April 21st, 2023 @ 3:25pm CDT
Posted by -Kanrabat- on April 21st, 2023 @ 3:25pm CDT
First you should know what "woke" means.
Woke is NOT, and I repeat, is NOT about being for LGBTQ rights, being anti racist, being feminist, and so on.
"Woke" is NOT about liberal values.
Woke is a shape-shifting cult that grab anything just to gain power. You can have an opinion that "the woke" will agree with today but next year, your same opinion will be "far right". The woke will make mountains out of molehills. They love to divide and conquer.
Have the classic Liberal Bill Maher explain it:
5 millions views and almost 15K comments.
Also, have Chris Gore, a pro Hollywood filmmaker, explaining why so much modern movies is now crap:
3 millions views and almost 25K comments.
I do hope this will help you understand.
Woke is NOT, and I repeat, is NOT about being for LGBTQ rights, being anti racist, being feminist, and so on.
"Woke" is NOT about liberal values.
Woke is a shape-shifting cult that grab anything just to gain power. You can have an opinion that "the woke" will agree with today but next year, your same opinion will be "far right". The woke will make mountains out of molehills. They love to divide and conquer.
Have the classic Liberal Bill Maher explain it:
5 millions views and almost 15K comments.
Also, have Chris Gore, a pro Hollywood filmmaker, explaining why so much modern movies is now crap:
3 millions views and almost 25K comments.
I do hope this will help you understand.
Re: Director Announced for Animated Transformers Prequel Movie and Final Draft Being Reviewed (2159851)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on April 21st, 2023 @ 3:36pm CDT
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on April 21st, 2023 @ 3:36pm CDT
Read your statement before, same crap different day.
You are the one who uses woke all the time, and you almost exclusively do. You use it to describe something that makes you feel slightly uncomfortable or will take away from something you want to enjoy.
You base your opinions on videos that have lots of views and interaction, but that is not a good indicator of if they are right or actually helpful.
And you always use the same condescending tone when discussing it.
You have a pattern. You have been consistent. There is a reason your posts add nothing to the Transformers fiction threads.
This part is spoken both as a long time member, and as an admin.
And given I just helped you once again delay a thread to a place where it really should not be, needlessly because you have to get to your favorite real life talking points, I'm going to end it here so we can return to the potential movie, instead of the same crick in the neck.
You are the one who uses woke all the time, and you almost exclusively do. You use it to describe something that makes you feel slightly uncomfortable or will take away from something you want to enjoy.
You base your opinions on videos that have lots of views and interaction, but that is not a good indicator of if they are right or actually helpful.
And you always use the same condescending tone when discussing it.
You have a pattern. You have been consistent. There is a reason your posts add nothing to the Transformers fiction threads.
This part is spoken both as a long time member, and as an admin.
And given I just helped you once again delay a thread to a place where it really should not be, needlessly because you have to get to your favorite real life talking points, I'm going to end it here so we can return to the potential movie, instead of the same crick in the neck.
Re: Director Announced for Animated Transformers Prequel Movie and Final Draft Being Reviewed (2159852)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on April 21st, 2023 @ 3:41pm CDT
Posted by -Kanrabat- on April 21st, 2023 @ 3:41pm CDT
"You can lead a horse to the fountain, but you can't force it to drink."
So who's the horse?
You?
Me?
This is getting nowhere and having a dialogue de sourd is pointless. I said my opinion, you said yours, and that's that.
Now let's move on.
So who's the horse?
You?
Me?
This is getting nowhere and having a dialogue de sourd is pointless. I said my opinion, you said yours, and that's that.
Now let's move on.
Re: Director Announced for Animated Transformers Prequel Movie and Final Draft Being Reviewed (2159853)
Posted by Rodimus Prime on April 21st, 2023 @ 3:44pm CDT
Posted by Rodimus Prime on April 21st, 2023 @ 3:44pm CDT
As was said before, as long as it doesn't get preachy. I like backstory that IDW came up with for Pax and Megatron, my main concern is hopefully some other characters (mainly Shockwave, Magnus and Grimlock) will also be spotlighted.
As for the political debate, most (if not all) wars begin with political debates devolving into violence, regardless of what the subject is. I don't expect it to be different here.
Hopefully Hasbro and Paramount got decent writers and a capable director who has the franchise itself in mind, as opposed to what we're getting with RoTB.
As for the political debate, most (if not all) wars begin with political debates devolving into violence, regardless of what the subject is. I don't expect it to be different here.
Hopefully Hasbro and Paramount got decent writers and a capable director who has the franchise itself in mind, as opposed to what we're getting with RoTB.
Re: Director Announced for Animated Transformers Prequel Movie and Final Draft Being Reviewed (2159854)
Posted by william-james88 on April 21st, 2023 @ 3:48pm CDT
The biggest successes have been accused of forcing political values and wokeness as well. Right wing extremists were raging at the Super Mario Brothers movie for being woke since the person Mario has to save is Luigi instead of Peach and Peach is a girl boss in the film.
And Avatar has the whole white people as colonists are evil political message along with the message showing the evil of capitalism, two issues decried as woke, like in the following article: https://risk-monger.com/2022/12/15/avat ... lm-review/
I personally greatly disliked Avatar the Way of Water, not necessarily for the messages themselves but for how blatant the parable was. It really felt like an afterschool special given the most budget in the world (which I believe is exactly what it is).
In terms of TV, the biggest success so far this year is The last of Us which was panned by right wing critics (like Ben Shapiro) for being woke.
I know you previously stated that you don't find those messages to qualify as "woke", like with Wakanda Forever, but others did. In all theses cases, these "woke" movies made bank. In the end, it just proves that none of that matters if the story and film is popular with people (doesn't even have to be good).
Posted by william-james88 on April 21st, 2023 @ 3:48pm CDT
-Kanrabat- wrote:Just get out of your comfort zone and look at the past year's biggest success VS the biggest flops just on the movie front.
The biggest successes have been accused of forcing political values and wokeness as well. Right wing extremists were raging at the Super Mario Brothers movie for being woke since the person Mario has to save is Luigi instead of Peach and Peach is a girl boss in the film.
And Avatar has the whole white people as colonists are evil political message along with the message showing the evil of capitalism, two issues decried as woke, like in the following article: https://risk-monger.com/2022/12/15/avat ... lm-review/
I personally greatly disliked Avatar the Way of Water, not necessarily for the messages themselves but for how blatant the parable was. It really felt like an afterschool special given the most budget in the world (which I believe is exactly what it is).
In terms of TV, the biggest success so far this year is The last of Us which was panned by right wing critics (like Ben Shapiro) for being woke.
I know you previously stated that you don't find those messages to qualify as "woke", like with Wakanda Forever, but others did. In all theses cases, these "woke" movies made bank. In the end, it just proves that none of that matters if the story and film is popular with people (doesn't even have to be good).
