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NuclearConvoy wrote:I'm really digging that Red and blue deco.

william-james88 wrote:what's going on with Deluxe's Groove's blue halo?

Cyberpath wrote:

william-james88 wrote:what's going on with Deluxe's Groove's blue halo?

You mean the motorbike windshield?

jogunwarrior wrote:I really dig that Legends Override. Those colors looks great on that mold.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

jogunwarrior wrote:I really dig that Legends Override. Those colors looks great on that mold.

Too bad he'll he a TakaraTomy exclusive, under Transformers Adventure. Bring on Backstreet and Dogfight!

william-james88 wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

jogunwarrior wrote:I really dig that Legends Override. Those colors looks great on that mold.

Too bad he'll he a TakaraTomy exclusive, under Transformers Adventure. Bring on Backstreet and Dogfight!

Does it really matter at this point though? Takara figures cost the same as Hasbro these days, its only the shipping you have to worry about. And we are all internet savy enough to get them.

Va'al wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

jogunwarrior wrote:I really dig that Legends Override. Those colors looks great on that mold.

Too bad he'll he a TakaraTomy exclusive, under Transformers Adventure. Bring on Backstreet and Dogfight!

Does it really matter at this point though? Takara figures cost the same as Hasbro these days, its only the shipping you have to worry about. And we are all internet savy enough to get them.

Except in I'm no position to order online a lot without people looking at me funny and/or questioning me Besides, I like the personal contact in import stores and the thrill of the hunt in general.

Yotsuyasan wrote:You know, even though it was cartoon accurate, before having him in hand I was a bit worried about Slingshot's orange eyes on an orange face. But it does really work. Both to the naked eye and in photographs, they are different enough shades that the eyes don't get lost in his face.

jay5 wrote:Are those hands/feet a Perfect Effect kit for Superion?

jay5 wrote:Btw, has there been any further update on Bruticus or Computron CW/UW gestalts, such as details regarding what will be different for the Takara releases or ETAs for them?

Figure King #210 p. 126-127 wrote:page 126
UW04
In Charge of the Development of the Overseas Version of Devastator
Hasui Shogo

Q: What were the details of having chosen Devastator as a large scale item this time?
A: The proposal was from Hasbro. They referred to it as "a kickass product", because Metroplex, a project that many fans wished for to be realized as a super giant product, was popular, it came to be that Devastator was chosen as the second one. It was done due to the timing of the Combiner Wars series just being developed, and so the plan to try and turn it into a product to symbolize the Combiner Wars was advanced. In order to cover the correspondingly large sum investment, it seemed to have been a difficulty even for the Hasbro company to let such a plan be accepted.

Q: How did you decide on the size?
A: The height of the previous figure Metroplex, I considered the play value of combining and it was calculated that the size would have "a height of 45cm". This height and "the fact that 6 Constructicons combine and turn into 1 robot", "that it woulde be 6 newer and different types of construction machines" were the essential conditions from the Hasbro company. To clear these conditions, it was okay to disperse/vary the height of the disconnected robots , although the design before and after combining changed from the time of G1, it was good. But afterall apart from myself I thought about how the respected G1 Devastator configuration should be; then I proposed the current design. Because I thought this was the course of action that the fans strongly wished for. So, implementing this height of 45cm was accordingly difficult, for the combining process several I had to come up with several clever ideas.

Q: In total, this is considerably close to the G1 version, right?
A: Concerning the points that are designed based on the original G1 version, it's constructed similar to a masterpiece (transformer). The toy of course incorporated elements of the anime design. In fact to clear the tight development schedule, there are parts where I apropriated ideas for use in an MP Devastator that I had written down a long time before. I thought: "doesn't this seem like the only chance I can make a giant MP Devastator, if I do my best here then the thing that the fans eagerly waited for can be realized". I had the sense that there was nothing like it before. If it surpassed a masterpiece wouldn't that be terrible (smile).

Q: What is the charm of the character of Devastator from your(Hasui's) point of view?
A: I think that he is a symbol of the strength of the Decepticons. Because the Constructicons combine and become the giant Devastator, an absolute power difference between the Autobots and the Decepticons is born. I think that the feeling of despair of the Autobots at that time is the charm of Devastator. Combining shook up the enemy side with the situation of the Autobots fighting against a giant enemy.

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page 127

Q: What were the points in development that troubled you?
A: Generally speaking the development schedule and parts count was strict, you know. Because making 6 voyager class (figures) rather than having prepared only a development schedule and parts count for making just 1 Metroplex (figure). Usually if you make one, an hypothesis is made for the mobility that every robot can use, the degree of mobility legs and arms move before and after. Generally, because there was no precedent for such a size of Transformers combiner, several things were quite difficult.

Q: For the modern combiner warriors multiple people were in charge, you (Hasui) alone were responsible for Devastator, right?
A: Yes. Because it was a product that if you did not make and look at the complete balance by yourself, you would never reach the goal. But, the advancement of 6 combiners at the same time was a continuous hardship which I had not experienced up to now.

Q: This time you turned surplus parts into weapons, right?
A: I was also able to construct it so that surplus parts got lost/disappeared, but if I did that the parts count and hinges would increase have and the cost would have risen. Still, at first due to making 6 (figures) and being at the limit, there was no spare room for making weapon parts. For that reason, to make them separate items at the time, I dared to propose to make a few parts into handheld weapons.

Q: In regards to the domestic version, there were some requested points from you (Hasui), I suppose.
A: Hisashi Yuki was responsible for the domestic version, he decided the specifications at the time, in the beginning he listened to/asked my opinions. Generally speaking for the foreign version, achieving the internal costs was number one, therefore he told me of opinions and ideas he held off on. Because his ideas were included there the final specifications of the domestic version were able to be made. The visor gimmick was Yuki's idea, you know.

Q: What kind of itmes are you (Hasui) presently in charge of?
A: Currently I'm in the middle of being in charge of foreign items. Of the currently released some things from "Generations", in "Adventure" I'm in charge of Big Bumblebee and Big Grimlock. For the extending gimmick in Big Bumblebee's feet I took some hints from 'Sky Garry'. For Big Grimlock also generally__ I became aware of a different transformation, it became a product that specialized in a degree of satisfaction and sense of accomplishment according to the transformation. For these the concept of Kung-Fu like and somewhat flashy transformations, that made you look and be surprised was called "Trans-Fu".

Q: Please let us hear the salespoint for Devastator as a developer.
A: For the domestic specifications I want the thought, that I wanted to focus on the separate characters, to reflect that. As separate items they are easy to play with, please experience the times they can turn into things that can be enjoyed. In any case I aimed to the last to produce the G1 image. I combined masterpiece and also scale, I aimed for a tall height that was bigger than Prowl and the others and smaller than Soundwave. After combining, in particular scenes the size was all over, but (smile) I combined the images and mixed together masterpiece and generations, if you can play with a Devastator that's just as you like that's enjoyable, right?

User897 wrote:Thanks again to Hasbro for making sure the USA version has less parts.

Rated X wrote:Gotta love the way they avoided asking any question regarding Mixmasters alt mode. If I wrote the questions, I would have put his ass on the spot...str8 up !

Sabrblade wrote:

Rated X wrote:Gotta love the way they avoided asking any question regarding Mixmasters alt mode. If I wrote the questions, I would have put his ass on the spot...str8 up !

Hasui plainly said that one of the conditions set upon him by Hasbro was "that it would be 6 newer and different types of construction machines". Hasbro told him to make the vehicles that they wanted, so he did.

User897 wrote:Oh it's honest alright. An honest shaft to USA fans yet again. I am beyond tired of the "Oh yeah, we'll get it here in the USA, but if you want the REAL deal, you'll have to pay for Takara!"

Cobotron wrote:Hasui Shogo - the Master of Trans-FU!!!
Great interview. Always nice to hear from the creators.

william-james88 wrote:

User897 wrote:Oh it's honest alright. An honest shaft to USA fans yet again. I am beyond tired of the "Oh yeah, we'll get it here in the USA, but if you want the REAL deal, you'll have to pay for Takara!"

Well it's not his fault. I mean Hasbro gave him a limit on pieces, that sucks.

But I dont get the part of "paying for takara". We have to pay for Hasbro too and Takara is the same price, you just have to pay for shipping:

http://www.amiami.com/top/detail/detail?gcode=FIGURE-012326&page=top%2Fsearch%2Flist%3Fs_keywords%3Ddevastator%24pagemax%3D40%24getcnt%3D0%24pagecnt%3D1

18,730 Yen = 150.85 $ US

Same Price

Takara isnt getting more money from you than Hasbro would. They are actually getting less since they paid extra to give you better quality and financed their own internal design team when they could easily have just used the same Hasbro designs and called it a day.

william-james88 wrote:

User897 wrote:Thanks again to Hasbro for making sure the USA version has less parts.

I KNOW When I read that interview, it was not hard to read between the lines and see what he was referring to. That statement explains everything, the lack of weapons, the odd joints, especially the deal with Scrapper's arms. Stability my a$$, it was just the ideal place to not have to install extra pieces. And plus joints demand more pieces since you have to deal with the pins as well (which he explains). It's reading stuff like this which makes me glad I got the Takara version. And I am super glad to know that their UW 04 is exactly what they wished their Devastator to be from their original planning.

hinomars19 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

User897 wrote:Thanks again to Hasbro for making sure the USA version has less parts.

I KNOW When I read that interview, it was not hard to read between the lines and see what he was referring to. That statement explains everything, the lack of weapons, the odd joints, especially the deal with Scrapper's arms. Stability my a$$, it was just the ideal place to not have to install extra pieces. And plus joints demand more pieces since you have to deal with the pins as well (which he explains). It's reading stuff like this which makes me glad I got the Takara version. And I am super glad to know that their UW 04 is exactly what they wished their Devastator to be from their original planning.

It baffles and bothers me slightly that anybody bought the stability issue. Of course it's parts count and plastic use.
There was an interview with a Takara designer some time past (don't remember who, sadly), and he stated how the figures have to be WEIGHED! If they don't fit within a pre-determined weight then plastic has to be removed.

Sabrblade wrote:

Rated X wrote:Gotta love the way they avoided asking any question regarding Mixmasters alt mode. If I wrote the questions, I would have put his ass on the spot...str8 up !

Hasui plainly said that one of the conditions set upon him by Hasbro was "that it would be 6 newer and different types of construction machines". Hasbro told him to make the vehicles that they wanted, so he did.

Rated X wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Rated X wrote:Gotta love the way they avoided asking any question regarding Mixmasters alt mode. If I wrote the questions, I would have put his ass on the spot...str8 up !

Hasui plainly said that one of the conditions set upon him by Hasbro was "that it would be 6 newer and different types of construction machines". Hasbro told him to make the vehicles that they wanted, so he did.

Im not seeing "6 newer and different types of construction machines". Im seeing 5 G1 style construction machines and one ugly duckling. I wouldnt call it new generations style because ive never seen a cement mixer like that in person in my life. And I dont live in some small country town. I live in miami where construction goes on all the time and I see cement mixers parked roadside daily when I drive to work. Ive seen the picture here somebody posted so I know somewhere it does exist. But it seems to be the norm for hasbro to make one combiner unit non-G1 just to troll G1 purists. It started with puke and period blood vortex in the foc combaticons, then alpha bravo and rook, and then toiletmaster. There was no reason for hasbro to use that wacky design. Its not relevant in the construction world and its not relevant to G1 like the other 5 vehicles are.

Rated X wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Rated X wrote:Gotta love the way they avoided asking any question regarding Mixmasters alt mode. If I wrote the questions, I would have put his ass on the spot...str8 up !

Hasui plainly said that one of the conditions set upon him by Hasbro was "that it would be 6 newer and different types of construction machines". Hasbro told him to make the vehicles that they wanted, so he did.

Im not seeing "6 newer and different types of construction machines". Im seeing 5 G1 style construction machines and one ugly duckling. I wouldnt call it new generations style because ive never seen a cement mixer like that in person in my life. And I dont live in some small country town. I live in miami where construction goes on all the time and I see cement mixers parked roadside daily when I drive to work. Ive seen the picture here somebody posted so I know somewhere it does exist. But it seems to be the norm for hasbro to make one combiner unit non-G1 just to troll G1 purists. It started with puke and period blood vortex in the foc combaticons, then alpha bravo and rook, and then toiletmaster. There was no reason for hasbro to use that wacky design. Its not relevant in the construction world and its not relevant to G1 like the other 5 vehicles are.

Rated X wrote:Im not seeing "6 newer and different types of construction machines". Im seeing 5 G1 style construction machines and one ugly duckling.

Rated X wrote:I wouldnt call it new generations style because ive never seen a cement mixer like that in person in my life. And I dont live in some small country town. I live in miami where construction goes on all the time and I see cement mixers parked roadside daily when I drive to work. Ive seen the picture here somebody posted so I know somewhere it does exist.

Rated X wrote:Its not relevant in the construction world and its not relevant to G1 like the other 5 vehicles are.

Rated X wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Rated X wrote:Gotta love the way they avoided asking any question regarding Mixmasters alt mode. If I wrote the questions, I would have put his ass on the spot...str8 up !

Hasui plainly said that one of the conditions set upon him by Hasbro was "that it would be 6 newer and different types of construction machines". Hasbro told him to make the vehicles that they wanted, so he did.

Im not seeing "6 newer and different types of construction machines". Im seeing 5 G1 style construction machines and one ugly duckling. I wouldnt call it new generations style because ive never seen a cement mixer like that in person in my life. And I dont live in some small country town. I live in miami where construction goes on all the time and I see cement mixers parked roadside daily when I drive to work. Ive seen the picture here somebody posted so I know somewhere it does exist. But it seems to be the norm for hasbro to make one combiner unit non-G1 just to troll G1 purists. It started with puke and period blood vortex in the foc combaticons, then alpha bravo and rook, and then toiletmaster. There was no reason for hasbro to use that wacky design. Its not relevant in the construction world and its not relevant to G1 like the other 5 vehicles are.

Sabrblade wrote:Though, Mixmaster is done as that kind of cement mixer not simply to be modernized, but also because that type of design is what the great big mining cement mixers look like,

Rated X wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Though, Mixmaster is done as that kind of cement mixer not simply to be modernized, but also because that type of design is what the great big mining cement mixers look like,

Here's my thing....

Why would a cement mixer be needed in a "mining" operation ?

Believe it or not, we actually have a rock quarry near the Everglades portion of South Miami. I once visited it to see an explosives demonstration presented by former military bomb squad members. I got to see several huge mining vehicles including a dump truck as big as Long Haul from ROTF. (They are freaking huge) However there were no cement mixers present because nothing was being built. They were mining.

As the pictures Hellscream9999 shows, there no debate that these "neo" cement mixers are big and do fit better with the scale they are shooting for. (which is controversial to begin with) However, I know Im not the only TF fan that didnt know these type of cement mixers existed before this figure was revealed. And in my opinion, they are ugly.

Rated X wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Though, Mixmaster is done as that kind of cement mixer not simply to be modernized, but also because that type of design is what the great big mining cement mixers look like,

Here's my thing....

Why would a cement mixer be needed in a "mining" operation ?

Believe it or not, we actually have a rock quarry near the Everglades portion of South Miami. I once visited it to see an explosives demonstration presented by former military bomb squad members. I got to see several huge mining vehicles including a dump truck as big as Long Haul from ROTF. (They are freaking huge) However there were no cement mixers present because nothing was being built. They were mining.

As the pictures Hellscream9999 shows, there no debate that these "neo" cement mixers are big and do fit better with the scale they are shooting for. (which is controversial to begin with) However, I know Im not the only TF fan that didnt know these type of cement mixers existed before this figure was revealed. And in my opinion, they are ugly.

jay5 wrote:Looking forward to less dead-horse beating about Devastator (even though I agree mostly with Rated X), and more UW-05 and UW-06 talk/speculation/test shots/etc.

fenrir72 wrote:Just my take from a show that required suspension of belief.

Wolfman Jake wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:Just my take from a show that required suspension of belief.

I think you mean "suspension of disbelief." You need to suspend or putt

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Rated X wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Though, Mixmaster is done as that kind of cement mixer not simply to be modernized, but also because that type of design is what the great big mining cement mixers look like,

Here's my thing....

Why would a cement mixer be needed in a "mining" operation ?

Believe it or not, we actually have a rock quarry near the Everglades portion of South Miami. I once visited it to see an explosives demonstration presented by former military bomb squad members. I got to see several huge mining vehicles including a dump truck as big as Long Haul from ROTF. (They are freaking huge) However there were no cement mixers present because nothing was being built. They were mining.

As the pictures Hellscream9999 shows, there no debate that these "neo" cement mixers are big and do fit better with the scale they are shooting for. (which is controversial to begin with) However, I know Im not the only TF fan that didnt know these type of cement mixers existed before this figure was revealed. And in my opinion, they are ugly.

It's okay to be ignorant of things like this, so long as it's not held against others; I grew up around them, and have seen many on the road in my life, I find it inconceivable (I literally cannot imagine never seeing one - ever) that people can have never seen one like this - it's quite interesting, really. I think TT does a fair job of evoking the cab portion as a foot, while modernizing the mixer.

The one shown in my post is a smaller variant, they can get quite massive; the articulated pump truck (still awesome ) receives cement from this specific style of mixer into a hopper on the back of it and pumps it along the arm via a hose to reach the tops of tall buildings and such.

As for needing cement in a 'mining' situation (and any others that may fall under this umbrella term), I can think of a few reasons off the top of my head as to why, but it's irrelevant. Plus utility vehicles are rarely designed to 'look' nice - they are all function and efficiency.