Man Legally Changes Name to 'Megatron'
Friday, July 6th, 2007 6:14AM CDT
Categories: Movie Related News, People NewsPosted by: Tigertrack Views: 38,454
Topic Options: View Discussion · Sign in or Join to reply
Yes, I know, lots more interesting Tf news to report about...
But we also need to report on the lighter side and the more human side of the hobby, and remember it can never be taken too seriously, or in some cases it can...
I'm sure everyone remembers Scott Nall, who in 2001, officially had his name changed to 'Optimus Prime' to honor his childhood hero. He is a member of the armed forces who served in Iraq, and is a very devoted Transformers fan. A hero very worthy of the name. (Check out an interview of Mr. Optimus Prime at Botcon here.)
Well, O ptimus Prime now has his rival, Megatron to watch out for. July 2nd, Jason Michael Burrows went in front of a judge at a Seattle courthouse and legally changed his name to reflect his childhood hero, Megatron. Jason is as of Monday, legally named Jason 'Megatron' Burrows. See the article here at gizmodo.com.
So what will we see next from the fan base of this new summer blockbuster? Only time will tell when we see a Mrs. Starscream, and a Mr. Bee... Bumblebee.
That's the lighter side of the Transformers news! Now back to your regularly scheduled serious Transformers news. :)
Join us in Seibertron.com's Transformers General Discussion to talk about some more silly and serious things related to Transformers!
But we also need to report on the lighter side and the more human side of the hobby, and remember it can never be taken too seriously, or in some cases it can...
I'm sure everyone remembers Scott Nall, who in 2001, officially had his name changed to 'Optimus Prime' to honor his childhood hero. He is a member of the armed forces who served in Iraq, and is a very devoted Transformers fan. A hero very worthy of the name. (Check out an interview of Mr. Optimus Prime at Botcon here.)
Well, O ptimus Prime now has his rival, Megatron to watch out for. July 2nd, Jason Michael Burrows went in front of a judge at a Seattle courthouse and legally changed his name to reflect his childhood hero, Megatron. Jason is as of Monday, legally named Jason 'Megatron' Burrows. See the article here at gizmodo.com.
So what will we see next from the fan base of this new summer blockbuster? Only time will tell when we see a Mrs. Starscream, and a Mr. Bee... Bumblebee.
That's the lighter side of the Transformers news! Now back to your regularly scheduled serious Transformers news. :)
Join us in Seibertron.com's Transformers General Discussion to talk about some more silly and serious things related to Transformers!
Credit(s): gizmodo.com
News Search
Got Transformers News? Let us know here!
Most Popular Transformers News
ROTB Optimus Prime Lead Designer Discusses Why the Face Looks Similar to the 2007 Movie
56,535 viewsMost Recent Transformers News
News Categories: Toy News, Movie Related News, Cartoon News, Comic Book News, Site News, Rumors, Event News, Digital Media News, Collectables, Sponsor News, Game News, Site Articles, Store News, Reviews, People News, Company News, Sightings, Press Releases, Unlicensed Products News, Auctions, Transtopia, Interviews, Editorials, Collector's Club News, Knock Offs, Podcast, Heavy Metal War, Contests, Book News, Top Lists
Re: Man Legally Changes Name to 'Megatron' (202744)
Posted by Danish-Liokaiser on July 6th, 2007 @ 6:36am CDT
Posted by Danish-Liokaiser on July 6th, 2007 @ 6:36am CDT
What can i say ... ? First Post! 'OH Come on!' Well well okay:
I would like you change my name to :p ... But maybe its a liiitle to nerdish?
I would like you change my name to :p ... But maybe its a liiitle to nerdish?
Re: Man Legally Changes Name to 'Megatron' (202751)
Posted by Mkall on July 6th, 2007 @ 6:42am CDT
Posted by Mkall on July 6th, 2007 @ 6:42am CDT
Oh boy, I guess if Optimus Prime and Megatron ever meet, the laws of the geek universe decree that one shall stand and one shall fall
Re: Man Legally Changes Name to 'Megatron' (202758)
Posted by Brakethrough on July 6th, 2007 @ 6:52am CDT
Posted by Brakethrough on July 6th, 2007 @ 6:52am CDT
Then they should probably meet at a roller derby.
Re: Man Legally Changes Name to 'Megatron' (202762)
Posted by Chaoslock on July 6th, 2007 @ 6:54am CDT
Posted by Chaoslock on July 6th, 2007 @ 6:54am CDT
He can have his name, but not his army 
Re: Man Legally Changes Name to 'Megatron' (202775)
Posted by OptimusShr on July 6th, 2007 @ 7:00am CDT
Posted by OptimusShr on July 6th, 2007 @ 7:00am CDT
Mr. Optimus Prime and Megatron have to meet. I wonder if they would get into character...
Re: Man Legally Changes Name to 'Megatron' (202800)
Posted by Decepticon Spike on July 6th, 2007 @ 7:14am CDT
Posted by Decepticon Spike on July 6th, 2007 @ 7:14am CDT
I'm just waiting for someone to change their name to Wheelie.
Re: Man Legally Changes Name to 'Megatron' (202804)
Posted by Redimus on July 6th, 2007 @ 7:16am CDT
Oh dear god, dont give Sunstar ideas....
Posted by Redimus on July 6th, 2007 @ 7:16am CDT
tigertracks 24 wrote:Only time will tell when we see a Mrs. Starscream.
Oh dear god, dont give Sunstar ideas....
Re: Man Legally Changes Name to 'Megatron' (202809)
Posted by Blitzwing the warrior on July 6th, 2007 @ 7:20am CDT
Posted by Blitzwing the warrior on July 6th, 2007 @ 7:20am CDT
Thats just........sad
Re: Man Legally Changes Name to 'Megatron' (202815)
Posted by Counterpunch on July 6th, 2007 @ 7:23am CDT
I see what you did there.
Posted by Counterpunch on July 6th, 2007 @ 7:23am CDT
Grimlock86 wrote:He can have his name, but not his army
I see what you did there.
Re: Man Legally Changes Name to 'Megatron' (202831)
Posted by Patrick Bateman on July 6th, 2007 @ 7:34am CDT
Posted by Patrick Bateman on July 6th, 2007 @ 7:34am CDT
I´m really torn on that one - OTOH, it´s friggin cool, OTOH, it´s incredibly nerdy 
Re: Man Legally Changes Name to 'Megatron' (202856)
Posted by Ericus Prime on July 6th, 2007 @ 7:55am CDT
Posted by Ericus Prime on July 6th, 2007 @ 7:55am CDT
I'm just looking to see who becomes Soundwave.
Re: Man Legally Changes Name to 'Megatron' (202857)
Posted by jonusjaxon on July 6th, 2007 @ 7:57am CDT
Posted by jonusjaxon on July 6th, 2007 @ 7:57am CDT
No disrespect, but if he can't find someone as geeky as himself then he is never "getting any".
Re: Man Legally Changes Name to 'Megatron' (202860)
Posted by Nico on July 6th, 2007 @ 8:00am CDT
Posted by Nico on July 6th, 2007 @ 8:00am CDT
Why would change name to "Megatron". Ok sure, he's badass...but evil! Why would you take a name who happen to be an incarnation of evil.
That would be funny if they meet.
LOL! That would be awesome on Youtube. Even better, these two wearing a cosply of theur caracter.
Imagine this:
Optimus: So...your name is..Megatron?
Megatron: Yeah! I just loved that caracter!
Optimus: Well thats funny because i changed name to Optimus Prime!
Megatron: Thats cool, but we ALL know megatron is cooler!
Optimus Prime: Optimus is cooler!
Megatron: Megatron is cooler!!!
Optimus Prime: Hell no! One shall stand, one shall fall...
Megatron: Why throw away your life so recklessly...
Optimus Prime: Thats a question you should ask yourself Megatron!
Random Guy: Everyone look! two transformer geek are about to fight!
That would be funny if they meet.
Mkall wrote:Oh boy, I guess if Optimus Prime and Megatron ever meet, the laws of the geek universe decree that one shall stand and one shall fall
Devil Gundam wrote:Mr. Optimus Prime and Megatron have to meet. I wonder if they would get into character...
LOL! That would be awesome on Youtube. Even better, these two wearing a cosply of theur caracter.
Imagine this:
Optimus: So...your name is..Megatron?
Megatron: Yeah! I just loved that caracter!
Optimus: Well thats funny because i changed name to Optimus Prime!
Megatron: Thats cool, but we ALL know megatron is cooler!
Optimus Prime: Optimus is cooler!
Megatron: Megatron is cooler!!!
Optimus Prime: Hell no! One shall stand, one shall fall...
Megatron: Why throw away your life so recklessly...
Optimus Prime: Thats a question you should ask yourself Megatron!
Random Guy: Everyone look! two transformer geek are about to fight!
Re: Man Legally Changes Name to 'Megatron' (202861)
Posted by Nico on July 6th, 2007 @ 8:00am CDT
Me! Sunstar will change name to Starscream after seeing that...
Posted by Nico on July 6th, 2007 @ 8:00am CDT
Ericus Prime wrote:I'm just looking to see who becomes Soundwave.
Me! Sunstar will change name to Starscream after seeing that...
Re: Man Legally Changes Name to 'Megatron' (202908)
Posted by Psychout on July 6th, 2007 @ 8:37am CDT
Posted by Psychout on July 6th, 2007 @ 8:37am CDT
Nerdtacular!
Re: Man Legally Changes Name to 'Megatron' (202911)
Posted by Ramrider on July 6th, 2007 @ 8:40am CDT
Posted by Ramrider on July 6th, 2007 @ 8:40am CDT
Ah, but he's only changed his middle name. Unless he always gives his full name, most people aren't going to even know about it.
It's just half-hearted geekiness... I'm most disappointed.
It's just half-hearted geekiness... I'm most disappointed.
Re: Man Legally Changes Name to 'Megatron' (202957)
Posted by Phenotype on July 6th, 2007 @ 9:12am CDT
ROFL! Well, the Optimus Prime guy is a soldier in the army so my money's on him.
Posted by Phenotype on July 6th, 2007 @ 9:12am CDT
Mkall wrote:Oh boy, I guess if Optimus Prime and Megatron ever meet, the laws of the geek universe decree that one shall stand and one shall fall
ROFL! Well, the Optimus Prime guy is a soldier in the army so my money's on him.
Re: Man Legally Changes Name to 'Megatron' (202967)
Posted by Megatron Wolf on July 6th, 2007 @ 9:16am CDT
Posted by Megatron Wolf on July 6th, 2007 @ 9:16am CDT
Wounder how much that coast? Should've juts bought TF figres. Doesnt matter evrey already calls me Megatron and Wolf so i dont need to waste money.
Re: Man Legally Changes Name to 'Megatron' (203024)
Posted by Creature SH on July 6th, 2007 @ 9:54am CDT
Posted by Creature SH on July 6th, 2007 @ 9:54am CDT
I'm pondering if I should have my name changed to "Abominus".
But that doesn't have anything to do with Transformers.
But that doesn't have anything to do with Transformers.
Re: Man Legally Changes Name to 'Megatron' (203158)
Posted by Airlift on July 6th, 2007 @ 12:59pm CDT
Posted by Airlift on July 6th, 2007 @ 12:59pm CDT
What do you mean Creature SH , about the name Abominus doesn't have anything to do with Transformers? Of course it does, it's the name of a G1 Decepticon
Not sure I'd have my name changed to a canon TF name, one of my own characters maybe? At the moment I've got 3 to choose from I'd probaly just have my middle name changed.
Not sure I'd have my name changed to a canon TF name, one of my own characters maybe? At the moment I've got 3 to choose from
I'd probaly just have my middle name changed.
Re: Man Legally Changes Name to 'Megatron' (203252)
Posted by Maju Garzett on July 6th, 2007 @ 1:40pm CDT
Posted by Maju Garzett on July 6th, 2007 @ 1:40pm CDT
Screw just one of my names changed!
Call me Magnus Bumblebee Grimlock the Third!
Call me Magnus Bumblebee Grimlock the Third!
Re: Man Legally Changes Name to 'Megatron' (203266)
Posted by Kevinus Prime on July 6th, 2007 @ 1:43pm CDT
Posted by Kevinus Prime on July 6th, 2007 @ 1:43pm CDT
my wife thinks I should change mine to "Windbreaker"...LOL
Re: Man Legally Changes Name to 'Megatron' (203326)
Posted by Prowl20 on July 6th, 2007 @ 2:11pm CDT
Posted by Prowl20 on July 6th, 2007 @ 2:11pm CDT
Hes so gonna regret that later in life. Then again, lots of people tell me that about my tattoos. 
Re: Man Legally Changes Name to 'Megatron' (203451)
Posted by Hairball178 on July 6th, 2007 @ 3:19pm CDT
Posted by Hairball178 on July 6th, 2007 @ 3:19pm CDT
BotCon 2008--BOOK IT!!!
Re: Man Legally Changes Name to 'Megatron' (203462)
Posted by Creature SH on July 6th, 2007 @ 3:22pm CDT
Uhm, yes... That was part of the joke.
Posted by Creature SH on July 6th, 2007 @ 3:22pm CDT
Bounder wrote:What do you mean Creature SH , about the name Abominus doesn't have anything to do with Transformers? Of course it does, it's the name of a G1 Decepticon
Uhm, yes... That was part of the joke.
Re: Man Legally Changes Name to 'Megatron' (203479)
Posted by Immortal Starscream on July 6th, 2007 @ 3:36pm CDT
Posted by Immortal Starscream on July 6th, 2007 @ 3:36pm CDT
maybe i should change my name legaly to starscream hmm....
Re: Man Legally Changes Name to 'Megatron' (203540)
Posted by RobotInDisguise on July 6th, 2007 @ 4:12pm CDT
Posted by RobotInDisguise on July 6th, 2007 @ 4:12pm CDT
I think I'll be Miss Starscream
Re: Man Legally Changes Name to 'Megatron' (203560)
Posted by Blozor on July 6th, 2007 @ 4:28pm CDT
Posted by Blozor on July 6th, 2007 @ 4:28pm CDT
"Bee" is already a last name. For instance Samantha Bee who does investigative reporting for The Daily Show. I'm sure a husband or father of hers would already be "Mr. Bee."
Re: Man Legally Changes Name to 'Megatron' (203584)
Posted by Sonray on July 6th, 2007 @ 4:41pm CDT
Posted by Sonray on July 6th, 2007 @ 4:41pm CDT
Oh boy....only in america eh? lol
Jeez.... the human race never ceases to make me laugh, cringe, cry, and vomit.
Jeez.... the human race never ceases to make me laugh, cringe, cry, and vomit.
Re: Man Legally Changes Name to 'Megatron' (203609)
Posted by Cybertron Optimus on July 6th, 2007 @ 4:50pm CDT
Posted by Cybertron Optimus on July 6th, 2007 @ 4:50pm CDT
Thats so awesome.
Re: Man Legally Changes Name to 'Megatron' (203927)
Posted by Anonymous on July 6th, 2007 @ 7:17pm CDT
Posted by Anonymous on July 6th, 2007 @ 7:17pm CDT
Well, it shows dedication, I suppose.
Re: Man Legally Changes Name to 'Megatron' (204012)
Posted by Liege Evilmus on July 6th, 2007 @ 7:59pm CDT
Posted by Liege Evilmus on July 6th, 2007 @ 7:59pm CDT
Idiot!
Not only is this character 20+ years old with a miriad of media recognition, it's also aterm used for private, industrial, and personal electronic devises.
Now everyone is supose to get 15 mins of fame in life, don't you wish you used yours better!?!
Not only is this character 20+ years old with a miriad of media recognition, it's also aterm used for private, industrial, and personal electronic devises.
Now everyone is supose to get 15 mins of fame in life, don't you wish you used yours better!?!
Re: Man Legally Changes Name to 'Megatron' (204021)
Posted by Liege Evilmus on July 6th, 2007 @ 8:07pm CDT
Hey Optimus Prime is already in the real military, so why not!
However, I should let you know, I have a friend from Korea named Kingston, and his Dad had it changes to Jimmy way back when.
However, before the forms were sent to court, we did put StarScream Baker(a tookers joke) as a middle name, hence making his name Jimmy StarScream Baker Victolee "The Royaly".
So the idea may not be to origional anymore.
Posted by Liege Evilmus on July 6th, 2007 @ 8:07pm CDT
Immortal Starscream wrote:maybe i should change my name legaly to starscream hmm....
Hey Optimus Prime is already in the real military, so why not!
However, I should let you know, I have a friend from Korea named Kingston, and his Dad had it changes to Jimmy way back when.
However, before the forms were sent to court, we did put StarScream Baker(a tookers joke) as a middle name, hence making his name Jimmy StarScream Baker Victolee "The Royaly".
So the idea may not be to origional anymore.
Re: Man Legally Changes Name to 'Megatron' (204112)
Posted by Damolisher on July 6th, 2007 @ 9:20pm CDT
Posted by Damolisher on July 6th, 2007 @ 9:20pm CDT
There are some sick, sick people out there....
Re: Man Legally Changes Name to 'Megatron' (204113)
Posted by Tigertrack on July 6th, 2007 @ 9:20pm CDT
Sure, but C'mon, is anyone's first name Bumble? And I was going for a little Bond, James Bond reference there...
Sorry.
Posted by Tigertrack on July 6th, 2007 @ 9:20pm CDT
Blozor wrote:"Bee" is already a last name. For instance Samantha Bee who does investigative reporting for The Daily Show. I'm sure a husband or father of hers would already be "Mr. Bee."
Sure, but C'mon, is anyone's first name Bumble? And I was going for a little Bond, James Bond reference there...
Sorry.
Re: Man Legally Changes Name to 'Megatron' (204213)
Posted by Spazicon on July 6th, 2007 @ 10:06pm CDT
Posted by Spazicon on July 6th, 2007 @ 10:06pm CDT
Haha. So when is "Megatron" gonna battle the guy who legally became Optimus Prime?
Re: Man Legally Changes Name to 'Megatron' (204226)
Posted by Tigertrack on July 6th, 2007 @ 10:09pm CDT
Soon...he's calling him out in the thread here...
http://www.seibertron.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=9914&sid=
Posted by Tigertrack on July 6th, 2007 @ 10:09pm CDT
Viral wrote:Haha. So when is "Megatron" gonna battle the guy who legally became Optimus Prime?
Soon...he's calling him out in the thread here...
http://www.seibertron.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=9914&sid=
Re: Man Legally Changes Name to 'Megatron' (204247)
Posted by Spazicon on July 6th, 2007 @ 10:18pm CDT
Posted by Spazicon on July 6th, 2007 @ 10:18pm CDT
lol Is that the real O.P.? If the answer is yes, then can I purchase a ticket in advanced?
Re: Man Legally Changes Name to 'Megatron' (204251)
Posted by Tigertrack on July 6th, 2007 @ 10:20pm CDT
I believe that is him... I thought he was a member here. Check the profile, and see what it says.
EDIT: Profile says he was in IRAQ, and that was the group affiliation he mentioned in the Botcon interview, I'd say it is!!
Posted by Tigertrack on July 6th, 2007 @ 10:20pm CDT
Viral wrote:lol Is that the real O.P.? If the answer is yes, then can I purchase a ticket in advanced?
I believe that is him... I thought he was a member here. Check the profile, and see what it says.
EDIT: Profile says he was in IRAQ, and that was the group affiliation he mentioned in the Botcon interview, I'd say it is!!
Re: Man Legally Changes Name to 'Megatron' (204296)
Posted by Damolisher on July 6th, 2007 @ 10:36pm CDT
Posted by Damolisher on July 6th, 2007 @ 10:36pm CDT
Yeah, it's him.
Re: Man Legally Changes Name to 'Megatron' (204453)
Posted by on July 7th, 2007 @ 12:08am CDT
Posted by on July 7th, 2007 @ 12:08am CDT
Copyright infringemant! Hasbro could sue!
If Megatron is that guy's childhood hero, I wonder what his criminal record looks like.
If Megatron is that guy's childhood hero, I wonder what his criminal record looks like.
Re: Man Legally Changes Name to 'Megatron' (204461)
Posted by on July 7th, 2007 @ 12:15am CDT
Posted by on July 7th, 2007 @ 12:15am CDT
Wow, at least I wouldn't feel bad if I changed my name to Hot Rod. At least that actually sounds cool and can be taken for a hundred different meanings and uses, especially since it's a common nickname (see Roddy Piper).
Megatron? This is too funny.
Megatron? This is too funny.
Re: Man Legally Changes Name to 'Megatron' (204465)
Posted by TheMuffin on July 7th, 2007 @ 12:20am CDT
Posted by TheMuffin on July 7th, 2007 @ 12:20am CDT
This makes me want to change my middle name to "TheMuffin". Quotation marks and all...Hey it's better than James.
Re: Man Legally Changes Name to 'Megatron' (204577)
Posted by *Elita_One* on July 7th, 2007 @ 1:49am CDT
Posted by *Elita_One* on July 7th, 2007 @ 1:49am CDT
Wow, that guy is a loser. No one deserves the great name of Megatron.
Re: Man Legally Changes Name to 'Megatron' (204633)
Posted by Autobot032 on July 7th, 2007 @ 2:26am CDT
Posted by Autobot032 on July 7th, 2007 @ 2:26am CDT
It's moments like this that make me cringe.
Yes, it's his right to change his name to whatever he wants.
No, he's not harming anyone by doing it.
However, it's just plain ridiculous and little obsessive, not to mention excessive.
If people were pissed at Bay before for ignoring the "true" fans, things like this certainly don't help their case.
If you were a big movie director and you had to legitimize such a outlandish, goofy concept and then you saw a news blurb like this...wouldn't you run for the hills? I know I would.
Just because you can do something, doesn't always mean you should. =\
Yes, it's his right to change his name to whatever he wants.
No, he's not harming anyone by doing it.
However, it's just plain ridiculous and little obsessive, not to mention excessive.
If people were pissed at Bay before for ignoring the "true" fans, things like this certainly don't help their case.
If you were a big movie director and you had to legitimize such a outlandish, goofy concept and then you saw a news blurb like this...wouldn't you run for the hills? I know I would.
Just because you can do something, doesn't always mean you should. =\
Re: Man Legally Changes Name to 'Megatron' (204779)
Posted by mr.nagasaki on July 7th, 2007 @ 7:22am CDT
Posted by mr.nagasaki on July 7th, 2007 @ 7:22am CDT
That guys never getting laid with a name like that.
Re: Man Legally Changes Name to 'Megatron' (204780)
Posted by Anonymous on July 7th, 2007 @ 7:23am CDT
QFT.
Just like the guy who puts a Mazda RX-7 on a lift kit to go "muddin'".
It is just so wrong.
Posted by Anonymous on July 7th, 2007 @ 7:23am CDT
Autobot032 wrote:It's moments like this that make me cringe.
Yes, it's his right to change his name to whatever he wants.
No, he's not harming anyone by doing it.
However, it's just plain ridiculous and little obsessive, not to mention excessive.
If people were pissed at Bay before for ignoring the "true" fans, things like this certainly don't help their case.
If you were a big movie director and you had to legitimize such a outlandish, goofy concept and then you saw a news blurb like this...wouldn't you run for the hills? I know I would.
Just because you can do something, doesn't always mean you should. =\
QFT.
Just like the guy who puts a Mazda RX-7 on a lift kit to go "muddin'".
It is just so wrong.
Re: Man Legally Changes Name to 'Megatron' (204997)
Posted by Creature SH on July 7th, 2007 @ 10:43am CDT
Posted by Creature SH on July 7th, 2007 @ 10:43am CDT
Maybe he should just've changed his name to "Walther Peehthirtyeight", instead.
Re: Man Legally Changes Name to 'Megatron' (205406)
Posted by Autobot032 on July 7th, 2007 @ 2:39pm CDT
You ain't lyin'.
Well, it would be more acceptable than Megatron. Most people would just consider it a foreign name (albeit weird perhaps) but a name nonetheless.
Posted by Autobot032 on July 7th, 2007 @ 2:39pm CDT
YouFearGalvatron wrote:Autobot032 wrote:It's moments like this that make me cringe.
Yes, it's his right to change his name to whatever he wants.
No, he's not harming anyone by doing it.
However, it's just plain ridiculous and little obsessive, not to mention excessive.
If people were pissed at Bay before for ignoring the "true" fans, things like this certainly don't help their case.
If you were a big movie director and you had to legitimize such a outlandish, goofy concept and then you saw a news blurb like this...wouldn't you run for the hills? I know I would.
Just because you can do something, doesn't always mean you should. =\
QFT.
Just like the guy who puts a Mazda RX-7 on a lift kit to go "muddin'".
It is just so wrong.
You ain't lyin'.
Creature SH wrote: Maybe he should just've changed his name to "Walther Peehthirtyeight", instead.
Well, it would be more acceptable than Megatron. Most people would just consider it a foreign name (albeit weird perhaps) but a name nonetheless.
