blackeyedprime wrote:Well it ticks some boxes...
3x more expensive then the originals...
3x more expensive than the originals were at retail
twenty-three years ago, sure. But certainly not 3x more expensive than they are complete on eBay years later, or than they'd be as reissues.
blackeyedprime wrote:removal of features...
There, you have more of a point. Although who knows? Maybe firing missiles (the feature it particularly hurts to lose) can be added as a stretch goal. And frankly, losing Ultra Magnus' electronics will be a net gain.
blackeyedprime wrote:removal of quality (though the rubber wheels of the original might be debatable with them mostly not surviving time)
1. What are you even pronouncing "removal of quality" based on? Aside from giving up on the rubber tires, which even you are admitting didn't last well.
2. You want to talk "removal of quality"... You do remember the quality control debacle with Encore God Fire Convoy, right?
blackeyedprime wrote:Not sure i'm keen on the front of Optimuses truck mode but looks pretty good otherwise,
The front of Optimus' truck mode is probably a bit of further making sure he doesn't resemble any real models of truck.
blackeyedprime wrote:Could these have been done at retail? With the £90 Commnder classes, yeagh thye probably could have.Plus then we might have got the yellow Optimus repaint.
1. Doing them at retail would probably have required
two Commander slots in the same line in the same year or else shoehorning one of them into Studio Series, and they likely would have more sacrifices made instead of being able to do anything to
improve on the originals.
2. According to responses from the team working on this, Yellow Splendid Convoy is still very much a possibility.
blackeyedprime wrote:Not really convinced on this over the originals but it's nice enough for those that want it and it's not superfluous like starsaber was so bonus points for that.
How was Star Saber "superfluous"? Don't forget that MP Star Saber has multiple joint issues by most accounts w/o aftermarket upgrades, and still has no accompanying Victory Leo without resorting to 3P toys. And last time I was looking at it on eBay, that 3P Victory Leo was like $300.
kurthy wrote:Not really getting some of the carping about this figure.
It's cheaper than the overpriced encore from 6 years ago that had to be recalled.
The originals, while amazing, still have a lot of issues that seem to be fixed in this version. I get why Evan was very emphatic about not having rubber tires because I've owned a couple of these.
I get it as well.
The originals are awesome figures, but Ultra Magnus definitely has some limits when it comes to how well his articulation can be used (especially when it comes to posing him with his weapon), and Omega Prime is well known for having difficulties balancing.
kurthy wrote:Let's face it, these were never coming out at retail, even at the commander price point with some slimmed down packaging and the loss of blue bolt. Optimus, yes, absolutely could have been done at commander, probably the loss of moveable missiles and some other things in favor of blast effects. Ultra Magnus, no way in hell was any retailer signing off on a commander who mostly is designed to be armor for another commander that wouldn't be on store shelves at the same time. This would have been released over at least two years and retailers wouldn't have bitten.
I mean, they could have shoehorned one of them into Studio Series. But there would have been sacrifices made for sure, instead of being able to take steps to improve on the originals where possible.
I'm personally happy enough with the originals that I don't feel a need to also get these, but I certainly wish them well. And wonder what other RiD 2001 stuff might be on the docket. If this does well, they might feel brave.
Hopefully so brave they even spring for some new smegging lower legs.Grahf_ wrote:Sabrblade wrote:If I did have any one nitpick to make about this set, it's that I was hoping it would be smaller...
Indeed. I was somewhat shocked when reading their heights. The scale with this set is definitely thrown off by quite a bit. Especially against Scourge and Shadow Striker.
1. Shadow Striker seems to be only a smidge shorter than OG Side Burn, so I disagree with you there.
2. It
is big compared to Scourge, but the issue there is actually on
Scourge's end. The Legacy Laser Prime mold is significantly undersize due to the limits of being a Leader-class figure and also due to it being retooled (to its detriment) from the undersize Earthrise Optimus. ER Optimus is almost as badly undersize among his fellows as Classics Optimus was among earlier CHUG Autobots.
3. There's an update you're leaving out of your calculations entirely:
Ruination (in the form of UW Baldigus).
Grahf_ wrote:The problem is though that if they made them to scale better, more people would be vocally against the set. As it is some don't seem to think this is even any bigger or has any more articulation.
I don't think they actually
are bigger than the originals, though. The OG RiD Optimus is 8" from bottom of foot to top of head... and putting the missile pods on
adds almost another half inch. So, I'm pretty sure that 8.5" being boasted of on the Pulse page, is the height with the missile pods on and he's pretty much the same size as the original.
Grahf_ wrote:Some seem to think it's just a slight retool of the original.
Those people are just plain unobservant lmao.
Grahf_ wrote:Others are complaining about the lack of sounds as if that even matters.
Considering that Omega Prime's stability problems are due in part to the added weight of Ultra Magnus' big fat soundbox, that's a dumb thing to complain about. Not to mention how badly Takara screwed the pooch with the soundboxes on the Encore release.
Grahf_ wrote:But yeah, as someone who thinks Legacy Armada Optimus' super mode is too big
I'd say you're wrong on that score. It seems very much the right size compared to Megatron IMO, and based on pictures Hot Shot as well. I'd say it's only too big next to Starscream, because Legacy Armada Starscream is too small (Putzwing's slot would have been better spent on him, IMO).
Grahf_ wrote:Isn't Victory Saber supposed to be taller than Deathsaurus and not the same height? So Armada Prime, Deathsaurus and now Omega Prime are all too tall.
You're wrong about Armada Optimus and Omega Prime, and Deathy is only too tall because Victory Saber is too small. I suspect Victory Saber was scaled relative to Legends God Ginrai.