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Postby william-james88 » Sun Sep 15, 2024 8:40 am

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I really liked Sentinel prime in this. Well not liked him, i hated him, but that's the point. It was well done and Jon hamm just did a great job with that smug POS. Really felt good seeing Megatron rip him in half. It's too bad they rushed through a ton of stuff at the end, but the film was still quite good. TF fans should be happy.
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Re: Transformers One Spoiler Discussion thread

Postby Rodimus Prime » Mon Sep 16, 2024 4:38 am

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Yeah the movie could've been 20-30 minutes longer for a proper 3rd act. However, in the hands of a really capable writer and director, this story could've been a 2-parter. 90 minutes each. I wish they would've saved Megatron and Optimus fully maturing into who they become for the sequel.
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Postby #1 Signal Lancer fan » Tue Sep 17, 2024 9:53 am

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Got my ticket to see it on Thursday. I look forward to sharing my thoughts here
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Just got back from seeing it!

Overall I did enjoy it, it definitely wasn’t my favorite of the movies but it was still fun.

The first half felt very slow, but once we learn about Sentinel’s betrayal the movie really picks up and was much more enjoyable. Speaking of that moment, one aspect of it is probably my favorite thing in the movie:

When Sentinel gets revealed for what he did in the flashback/hologram, he pulls out a sword VERY reminiscent of the one used by DOTM Sentinel Prime. What a cool way to visually tie the scene to another similar moment from a prior film!

I thought the voice cast was pretty good, Alpha Trion was probably the standout for me but the main cast were all solid. The score wasn’t anything really special, the reuse of one of the themes from Prime was cool but nothing else stood out too much to me.

Overall in terms of ranking I’m not quite sure where I have it yet. I think I liked this one more than Bumblebee but I enjoyed all the other live action films more.
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Re: Transformers One Spoiler Discussion thread

Postby #1 Signal Lancer fan » Thu Sep 19, 2024 10:32 pm

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Just got back from seeing the movie. I loved it!

I think it’s the best Transformers movie, but that’s not exactly high praise. The only one comparable to it is the 1986 animated film.

The animation was incredible. The fight scenes were very cool. I loved the characters and story.

It wasn’t perfect of course. As others have pointed out, the last 30 minutes or so felt rushed. The movie could’ve used an extra 20-30 minutes.

Some of the humor was also hit or miss for me. I little less Marvel humor would’ve gone a long way.

But overall those complaints didn’t detract too much for me. I’d give it a 4/5.
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Re: Transformers One Spoiler Discussion thread

Postby Rodimus Prime » Fri Sep 20, 2024 3:37 pm

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This movie was a lot of fun! Still not as good as TF:TM, but it was fun. I also wouldn't compare it to the live action series, since this seems to be a prequel to the Aligned continuity more than anything. And it's also fully animated.

I have very few negatives about it, mainly the music. The score was generic, and the garbage rap at the end was cringeworthy. Also, they could have spent another 15-20 minutes on both D-16's turn and his friendship with Orion.

He went from a jolly go-lucky bot to an unstoppable killer almost instantly. There should've been more buildup. Sentinel's betrayal and subsequent torturing were plausible reasons, but it still should've taken longer.

Also, I was disappointed in Starscream, Shockwave and Soundwave. They were treated as basic drones, quickly dispatched in the final fight. Soundwave and Starscream maybe, but Shockwave should be treated almost like Megatron's equal. I shouldn't be surprised, DoTM did the same thing.

And Sentinel got off way too easy for what he had done. Orion was wrong to try to stop D-16 from killing him. He deserved it.

I still can't believe I was rooting for the Decepticons, at least briefly.
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Re: Transformers One Spoiler Discussion thread

Postby Sabrblade » Fri Sep 20, 2024 6:40 pm

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I went to see the movie again today and the specific screening I saw was a subtitled one. Since I had the whole room all to myself, I was able to whip out my phone and take some notes on some things I observed in the subtitles:
  • This first thing went by really fast and so may need to be double-checked: The two guards who chase Orion Pax in the archives at the beginning of the movie refer to themselves as "KDQ-12" and "KDQ-1".
  • Throughout the entire movie, the subtitles consistently spelled Elita's full name as "Elita One" (like how her G1 cartoon counterpart's name was spelled in the script for the episode "The Search for Alpha Trion"). However, this stands in contrast to how both the voice cast list in the end credits, as well as Hasbro's current trademark for all toys of her, spell her name as "Elita-1".
  • Names of Iacon 5000 racers I caught being spoken aloud (by D-16, Orion, or the announcer) were "Thunderglide", "Behemoth", "Strafe", "Skyfire", "Darkwing", "Spinout", "Jetstorm", and "Chromia", all spelled like so in the subtitles.
  • After the race, a female voice paged "Dr. Ratchet" to report to "Medical Bay 94" (this one also went by quick, and could have been a different number like "84").
  • B-127's two nicknames were consistently spelled as just "B" (like how D-16's nickname is just "D") and "Badassatron", clarifying that neither are spelled "Bee" or "Badassitron" as some fans have used. Also, whenever B spoke his other nickname in the deep voice, the subs consistently spelled that version as "Badassatronnnn" with four Ns at the end.
  • The names of B's three lifeless "friends" made of junk were spelled "EP-508", "A-A-Tron", and "Steve" (though, the first two also went by quick, so they too may need to be double-checked).
  • When Orion Pax spoke of the "Quintesson war", the subs spelled it like so, with a lowercase W in "war", making it look less like a formal name for the war and more just a descriptor.
  • Elita's "go-bots" insult was spelled like so, hyphenated and in all-lowercase.
  • "High Guard" was consistently spelled like so as two separate words, all except for one instance where Elita called them "High-Guard nutjobs", hyphenating it instead.
And a more casual observation that Orion once used the phrase "My God" (spelled like that with an uppercase G in the subs), which felt odd and very Earth-specific given that B used "Holy Primus" at one point earlier. Elita also used "Hell" at least once. I know these are movies made by Earth humans who are going to make these alien characters speak like Earth humans to make them sound natural and relatable to Earth-human audiences, but still. It took me out of the moment for a sec.
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Re: Transformers One Spoiler Discussion thread

Postby JazZeke » Sun Sep 22, 2024 10:42 pm

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Overall I enjoyed it, I'd rate it at about 90%. My biggest gripe was with the characterization of Megatron himself. As noted, his heal-face-turn didn't feel organic at all, I get the vengeful bit, but then all of a sudden he's like "I'm sick of you, Orion." That scene could have been saved with one simple line. "If you're not with me, you're against me" or some variation thereof.

Also, D-16 declaring that "the age of Primes is over" and then in the same breath taking the name of one, and using his face as the symbol of his movement, those two ideas kind of conflict.

And Starscream as leader of the High Guard also made no sense, Starscream is supposed to be a terrible leader with ambitions of grandeur, that's his whole thing. You know what character would have been a better choice for that role? Grimlock.

Since the characterization of Orion/Optimus remains mostly consistent in the story, and Megatron is the one with an actual arc, the movie really should have spent more time focusing on his POV. Maybe they should have switched the two characters' roles in the beginning and made D-16 the rulebreaker and Optimus the play-it-safe guy.
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Re: Transformers One Spoiler Discussion thread

Postby #1 Signal Lancer fan » Tue Sep 24, 2024 8:44 am

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Sabrblade wrote:[*]After the race, a female voice paged "Dr. Ratchet" to report to "Medical Bay 94" (this one also went by quick, and could have been a different number like "84").


This is interesting because there's a miner that certainly appears to be Ratchet.
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Re: Transformers One Spoiler Discussion thread

Postby Blastback » Wed Sep 25, 2024 8:39 pm

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Just got back, and I really loved it. As others have said, the only real major criticism I have is that Megatron's fall to the dark side could have been executed a bit better, maybe have a bit more run time to show him slipping into evil. I get the motives for turning into Megatron, but letting Orion fall to his seeming death felt rushed.

Sentinel Prime was a good villain, he was smug as hell, but still had enough charisma for it to be believable that he was seen as the good guy.

I also enjoyed the art style and character designs.
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Postby #1 Signal Lancer fan » Thu Sep 26, 2024 8:14 am

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Blastback wrote:As others have said, the only real major criticism I have is that Megatron's fall to the dark side could have been executed a bit better, maybe have a bit more run time to show him slipping into evil. I get the motives for turning into Megatron, but letting Orion fall to his seeming death felt rushed.


An extra 15 or so minutes near the end would have gone a long way for this.

Another small complaint that I have with this movie: It suffers from something a lot of movies do where the good guys kill a lot of faceless enemies, but when it comes time to defeat the big bad, suddenly killing makes them evil.

We watched Bumblebee cut faceless enemies in half, who we're never told are drones or not sentient. But when it comes time to kill Robot Hitler, suddenly killing makes Megatron just as bad as Sentinel?
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Re: Transformers One Spoiler Discussion thread

Postby JazZeke » Fri Sep 27, 2024 12:19 am

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#1 Signal Lancer fan wrote:
Blastback wrote:As others have said, the only real major criticism I have is that Megatron's fall to the dark side could have been executed a bit better, maybe have a bit more run time to show him slipping into evil. I get the motives for turning into Megatron, but letting Orion fall to his seeming death felt rushed.


An extra 15 or so minutes near the end would have gone a long way for this.

Another small complaint that I have with this movie: It suffers from something a lot of movies do where the good guys kill a lot of faceless enemies, but when it comes time to defeat the big bad, suddenly killing makes them evil.

We watched Bumblebee cut faceless enemies in half, who we're never told are drones or not sentient. But when it comes time to kill Robot Hitler, suddenly killing makes Megatron just as bad as Sentinel?


Yeah, no, that's been getting on my nerves lately too. And arguably it's even worse to kill mooks than the big bad, because some of them could just be there out of coercion.
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Re: Transformers One Spoiler Discussion thread

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JazZeke wrote:
Yeah, no, that's been getting on my nerves lately too. And arguably it's even worse to kill mooks than the big bad, because some of them could just be there out of coercion.


With this movie in particular I could see the argument being made that Orion didn’t care about stopping Sentinel from being killed, but wanted to save his friend from killing out of revenge and anger (Vs killing in a combat situation), but if that was the intention they didn’t do a good job making it clear.
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Re: Transformers One Spoiler Discussion thread

Postby Rodimus Prime » Fri Sep 27, 2024 10:42 pm

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Yeah, no, that's been getting on my nerves lately too. And arguably it's even worse to kill mooks than the big bad, because some of them could just be there out of coercion.


With this movie in particular I could see the argument being made that Orion didn’t care about stopping Sentinel from being killed, but wanted to save his friend from killing out of revenge and anger (Vs killing in a combat situation), but if that was the intention they didn’t do a good job making it clear.
They kind of did. Orion did say something akin to the future couldn't be built on killing. That would make it seem he was not concerned with either Sentinel or Megatron in particular, but that the future should be built on positive intentions.

While I agree with that notion in general, in this particular case Sentinel deserved to die. But what gave Megatron the right to execute him? Sentinel had done his atrocity to countless miners, nor just the 2 of them. If that was the reasoning, they each had just as much right as Megatron did.
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Rodimus Prime wrote:While I agree with that notion in general, in this particular case Sentinel deserved to die. But what gave Megatron the right to execute him? Sentinel had done his atrocity to countless miners, nor just the 2 of them. If that was the reasoning, they each had just as much right as Megatron did.


I think a simple “He needs to stand trial” would have made Orion’s case a lot stronger
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Postby Sabrblade » Sat Sep 28, 2024 10:36 am

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#1 Signal Lancer fan wrote:
Rodimus Prime wrote:While I agree with that notion in general, in this particular case Sentinel deserved to die. But what gave Megatron the right to execute him? Sentinel had done his atrocity to countless miners, nor just the 2 of them. If that was the reasoning, they each had just as much right as Megatron did.


I think a simple “He needs to stand trial” would have made Orion’s case a lot stronger
Pretty sure that's what he was implying. It didn't need to be said out loud.
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Re: Transformers One Spoiler Discussion thread

Postby Rodimus Prime » Sun Sep 29, 2024 12:35 am

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#1 Signal Lancer fan wrote:
Rodimus Prime wrote:While I agree with that notion in general, in this particular case Sentinel deserved to die. But what gave Megatron the right to execute him? Sentinel had done his atrocity to countless miners, nor just the 2 of them. If that was the reasoning, they each had just as much right as Megatron did.


I think a simple “He needs to stand trial” would have made Orion’s case a lot stronger
Pretty sure that's what he was implying. It didn't need to be said out loud.
He wasn't implying anything. He never even referred to Sentinel or his specific crime and punishment. Megatron could've attempted to kill innocent bystanders and Orion's argument could've been the same. He was just telling Megatron to stop because they can't build the future on violence.
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Postby Sabrblade » Tue Oct 08, 2024 11:31 am

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After watching both the most recent Transformers: The Basics video (on Orion Pax):



...And this video from TJOmega:



...I realized something about this movie's depiction of Orion Pax: He's basically what the 1986 movie tried and wanted to do with Hot Rod, but the backlash to Optimus's death forced the cartoon to walk it back by bringing back Optimus and having him take back the Matrix from Hot Rod at the end of Season 3.

In this movie, Orion Pax is a spirited, rambunctious, thrill-seeking, rule-bending, happy-go-lucky youngster with little regard for authority and a motivated drive to live life to the fullest. He then goes on a hero's journey where he makes mistakes, learns from them, and follows a higher calling to fulfill his destiny, becoming the next Autobot Leader chosen by a divine force. That's basically Hot Rod's personality and intended character arc in a nutshell.

Remember when TF: Prime introduced Smokescreen and people accused him of being a stand-in or even ripoff of Hot Rod? Well, TF One has basically done the same thing again with Orion Pax, but this time no one's complaining because it's Optimus Prime himself who's given this treatment instead of some other turbo-revvin' young punk set up to replace him.
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Sabrblade wrote:Remember when TF: Prime introduced Smokescreen and people accused him of being a stand-in or even ripoff of Hot Rod? Well, TF One has basically done the same thing again with Orion Pax, but this time no one's complaining because it's Optimus Prime himself who's given this treatment instead of some other turbo-revvin' young punk set up to replace him.


While I think Hot Rod would have been a better fit than Smokescreen, I never got the backlash. Hot Rod isn't the only character to have an arc like that (See: Beast Wars/Machines Cheetor and Armada Hot Shot). I like the idea that it's sort of a cycle. Optimus Prime started that way as Orion Pax, so when he meets Hot Rod/Hot Shot/Smokescreen, he chooses them as his successor because they remind him of himself before he was a Prime.
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Re: Transformers One Spoiler Discussion thread

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Oct 08, 2024 1:52 pm

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#1 Signal Lancer fan wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:Remember when TF: Prime introduced Smokescreen and people accused him of being a stand-in or even ripoff of Hot Rod? Well, TF One has basically done the same thing again with Orion Pax, but this time no one's complaining because it's Optimus Prime himself who's given this treatment instead of some other turbo-revvin' young punk set up to replace him.


While I think Hot Rod would have been a better fit than Smokescreen, I never got the backlash. Hot Rod isn't the only character to have an arc like that (See: Beast Wars/Machines Cheetor and Armada Hot Shot).
Yeah but Cheetor's arc was gradual and wasn't planned out from the start, while Hot Shot (who, as it turns out, actually was named "Hot Rod" in Japan) only filled in for Optimus for three episodes until he came back after that very brief time, so he wasn't like the permanent replacement that Hot Rod/Rodimus was intended to be. Both G1 Hot Rod and TF One Orion had their ascension arcs done ceremoniously and all-at-once in a single movie.

#1 Signal Lancer fan wrote:I like the idea that it's sort of a cycle. Optimus Prime started that way as Orion Pax, so when he meets Hot Rod/Hot Shot/Smokescreen, he chooses them as his successor because they remind him of himself before he was a Prime.
I agree that there's a nice poetic rhyming sense to it. It's just unfortunate that the backlash over how it was executed in the 86 movie led to Hasbro never again allowing Hot Rod/Rodimus to become Optimus's permanent replacement on a mainstream level, with modern media since the early 2000s (beginning particularly with Dreamwave's G1 comics) instead depicting Optimus as the Chosen One destined to bear the Matrix (The Covenant of Primus book even going as far as to make him the literal reincarnation of one of the Thirteen in order to really hammer this notion in), when being the Matrix's divine Chosen One was originally supposed to be Hot Rod's thing.

Optimus even admitted in the 86 movie that he wasn't worthy. Yet, when he came back at the end of Season 3, he opened the Matrix to cure the Hate Plague (a threat even greater than Unicron in that moment) as if he really was its chosen bearer all along, and as if the cartoon was saying "Sorry, Rodimus, you just weren't good enough."
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Re: Transformers One Spoiler Discussion thread

Postby Glyph » Sun Oct 13, 2024 8:03 am

Finally seen it, mostly loved it. The bits that didn't particularly land for me seemed to be landing with the younger audience around me, so I'm ok with that (there was a woman and young kids behind who laughed every time B said "Badassatronnnn" - I have to stress, this is a UK cinema and the etiquette is pretty strongly "sit down and watch quietly").

Agree with the general sentiment that the last act needed a bit more time that could definitely been trimmed from some of the earlier material. I'm not sure a two-parter would have been a slam-dunk as I'm not convinced the first half of the film alone would have brought all the audience back for the sequel, enjoyable though it was - it definitely had a lot of that MCU bathos energy.

As to Megatron, I understood what they were going for with his overriding anger and sense of betrayal, but the heel turn did feel a bit too fast. A line or two about the sense of power that came from being completed with a T-cog, or that he finally had power to do something about their situation, could have gone a long way to making a "great power, great responsibility" contrast with Orion and what they do with their new power. It almost felt at times like he should have received Megatronus' cog* in the cave and had that power push him over the edge, but they didn't do that and don't seem to have kept any of the usual background around The Fallen (and I take JazZeke's point about him taking the power of a Prime right after denouncing them).

*Which four was it they got? Prima, Onyx, Alchemist and Micronus? Other than Prima, seems an odd mix that doesn't really correspond to the characters in any way.

Happy for there to be some nuance and room for interpretation over character motives; it was just a little surprising that nothing much was said - just the initial "and anyone who gets in my way!" - given how explicitly they made sure to spell other stuff out to be sure the audience got it (like what Transformers are, that Sentinel betrayed the Primes, etc). I got the feeling that the plot beats were so well-worn that the makers assumed "okay, everyone knows this bit happens next" and kinda forgot to do the showing why/how.

Also pretty much the entire audience had left by the end of the (long) credits and that interminable song, so they all missed the Rise UP! scene which seems... kind of important, it having the iconic Megatron shot from the trailer and all. That should have been switched with the joke B one, as that one just communicated "OK we're done, nothing important to wait for".


But those aside, there was a lot to love here. It mostly looked and sounded great, there were some nice character moments and some really good action, and it's one I will happily re-watch and tell other people to watch - that's not something I could say about most of the movies. Looking forward to the sequel and/or TV show.



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I think what I needed for the Megatron arc was for him to be less chill, friendly D-16 who's just working his way through life and "aw, can't stay mad at you" early on and have him get seriously angry with their situation / Orion's antics, but be able to calm himself and let it go in the face of Orion's optimism and friendship. Then, after learning of Sentinel's betrayal and having Orion stand in his way once he has the power to act on his anger, it could lead to a "No. Not this time." that really hits.
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Postby #1 Signal Lancer fan » Fri Oct 25, 2024 10:03 am

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Watched the movie again with the digital release.

Watching this time, I had less of an issue with D-16's turn to Megatron. The seeds for his turn against Sentinel and violence were well done.

The one thing I think they could have executed better is his turn from Orion. They did a good job showing the gap between them start to build, but D-16 choosing to drop Orion still feels like a huge jump in his character.
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Re: Transformers One Spoiler Discussion thread

Postby Sabrblade » Fri Oct 25, 2024 12:25 pm

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#1 Signal Lancer fan wrote:The one thing I think they could have executed better is his turn from Orion. They did a good job showing the gap between them start to build, but D-16 choosing to drop Orion still feels like a huge jump in his character.
Recall that after they first got their cogs and D did his whole "No, I want to kill him!" speech, Orion started trying to calm down D and make him reconsider. But then they had to get away from Sentinel's trackers and the pressure was on. They had their first transformations and their first battle, in which D cut loose for the first time in his life and really let out his more primal instincts, which he found he really enjoyed. Orion again tried to ease him down, but D had gained a new sense of self-confidence and took charge of their journey back to Iacon. Orion told him to be careful with the map, but the newly-confident D-16 started to get annoyed with Orion doubting his judgement and, with as much control as he could stand to muster, D told him to back off.

Later, as they got further in their journey and D had cooled off a little bit, he and Orion started talking again but clearly had differing views on what to do about Sentinel. They nearly got into another argument, but then D reassured Orion that, despite their different views, Orion was the one person in D's life that he knew he could trust and count on. This line was crucial in D's story, and the fact that he got cut off before he could finish saying it (by the High Guard ambushing and capturing the group) was foreshadowing to how that trust would later be cut off.

In his time with the High Guard, D-16 grew to learn of might makes right, which Orion clearly disagreed with but never really got to speak out against with D due to D being swept up in the moment with the other High Guard members cheering him on and boosting his ego once he proved his might and will superior to Starscream's. There was also no time for Orion to object to D's newfound sense of violent vigor due to Airachnid's forces ambushing everyone and capturing D-16, separating him and Orion.

During their time apart, Orion further renewed his sense of wanting Sentinel to face justice for his crimes while D-16 further boiled in his desire for vengeance against Sentinel, which Sentinel only made stronger by verbally and physically abusing D in front of the other captives, whom mere moments ago were cheering for D-16 as their new hero. Sentinel not just hurting but humiliating D-16 in front of his once and former admirers just made D angrier and even more wanting to murder Sentinel.

By the time Orion and the rest of the High Guard burst in to rescue the captives, Orion tried to help D and reason with him, but D-16's hatred had by then already passed its point of no return, which Orion didn't know because he hadn't been there to witness the abuse Sentinel dished out on D. Had he been, Orion might have been able to understand how and why D-16's hatred had risen to the level it had reached, and might have possibly been able to better reason with him (even if D still wouldn't have reciprocated since the needs of the plot demanded that D-16 execute Sentinel).

So we come to the moment of truth where D-16 first tries to shoot Sentinel and Orion takes the blast for him, much to D's horror. Recall earlier that D had said Orion was the only person he could trust and rely on. And now, in D's moment of long-awaited satisfaction, that one person who's been a constant fixture in his life, his best friend, was seemingly choosing Sentinel (the very object of all of D-16's hatred and vengeance) over D-16. And in that one fleeting moment where D came to his senses and tried to save Orion from falling, the moment passed when D asks him why he did what he did, and all Orion could say to him was "D... no..."

That was the final straw. All this time, all those cycles, of Orion being his best friend who always had his back, and D-16 always having Orion's back and always getting him out of trouble... They now felt as hollow and false as everything Sentinel ever said and did for the good of Cybertron. Sentinel, the great deceiver, who put on a public face of trust and loyalty, was a fraud. And now, in this moment of Orion Pax saving the great deceiver, did D-16 realize that Orion was every bit of a liar and a fraud to D-16 as Sentinel was (or at least, that's what his mad rage had led him to believe). How could Orion pick Sentinel over him? Because it turns out Orion was just like Sentinel. A fraud, a liar, a traitor. And all traitors must pay. Must die!

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Re: Transformers One Spoiler Discussion thread

Postby #1 Signal Lancer fan » Fri Oct 25, 2024 1:19 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:And now, in D's moment of long-awaited satisfaction, that one person who's been a constant fixture in his life, his best friend, was seemingly choosing Sentinel (the very object of all of D-16's hatred and vengeance) over D-16. And in that one fleeting moment where D came to his senses and tried to save Orion from falling, the moment passed when D asks him why he did what he did, and all Orion could say to him was "D... no..."

...

How could Orion pick Sentinel over him? Because it turns out Orion was just like Sentinel. A fraud, a liar, a traitor. And all traitors must pay. Must die!

"...I'm done saving you!"


I guess these are the parts that I thought could have been executed better. The buildup, as you laid out above, works really well.

But in the moment of Orion jumping in front of the blast and D-16 asking why, the way it played out didn't register as betrayal for me. It just seemed like D-16 was shocked and upset that he shot his friend. So, when D-16 shifts his tone, it felt like it came out of nowhere within that moment.

I think a big part of it is the line "I'm done saving you." While D-16 had saved Orion multiple times in the story, that didn't really feel like it was part of what made him turn. To me, that line just doesn't really read as "You betrayed me" enough for D-16's big turning point.
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Re: Transformers One Spoiler Discussion thread

Postby Sabrblade » Fri Oct 25, 2024 1:42 pm

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#1 Signal Lancer fan wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:And now, in D's moment of long-awaited satisfaction, that one person who's been a constant fixture in his life, his best friend, was seemingly choosing Sentinel (the very object of all of D-16's hatred and vengeance) over D-16. And in that one fleeting moment where D came to his senses and tried to save Orion from falling, the moment passed when D asks him why he did what he did, and all Orion could say to him was "D... no..."

...

How could Orion pick Sentinel over him? Because it turns out Orion was just like Sentinel. A fraud, a liar, a traitor. And all traitors must pay. Must die!

"...I'm done saving you!"


I guess these are the parts that I thought could have been executed better. The buildup, as you laid out above, works really well.

But in the moment of Orion jumping in front of the blast and D-16 asking why, the way it played out didn't register as betrayal for me. It just seemed like D-16 was shocked and upset that he shot his friend. So, when D-16 shifts his tone, it felt like it came out of nowhere within that moment.

I think a big part of it is the line "I'm done saving you." While D-16 had saved Orion multiple times in the story, that didn't really feel like it was part of what made him turn. To me, that line just doesn't really read as "You betrayed me" enough for D-16's big turning point.
The thing is, "I'm done saving you!" Is the culmination of their entire relationship, since up until they learned the truth, "saving Orion" from trouble is what we're supposed to take as being what D had done for most of their entire friendship. Orion gets into trouble, and D gets him out of trouble. Very "Prince of Egypt" vibes going on.
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