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[AllNewSuperRobot]

Personally I didn't care for the trailer. For me it was all about the tone.

Aesthetically, it looks quite nice. No humans is an immediate +1. But..
I got a TMNT vibe from it. Which I like in that series. Not something I care for in Transformers. The idea of them being "young" has never really sat well with me.

Also, I get it's a popularity thing. But for the time being I'm not interested in seeing another iteration of Bumblebee, Prime and Megatron.

[Sabrblade]

I'm all for alternate universes, but I just can't see this movie being the prequel to the Bayverse. The overall tone and style are completely different.

Good news! It isn't.
https://www.ign.com/articles/transforme ... ron-better

I don't see anything in that interview that says it's a new continuity not at all connected to the previous films.

[Brokebot]

After some more processing, my hope for this movie is that it has a similar end-feel to The Incredibles. That was a movie aimed at kids but had an amazing story, great characters, and started with exactly the same kind of trailer. We have to remember we are getting a snippet...not the full story. The object of THIS trailer, IMHO, is to pique interest in kids who will demand parents take them to the movie because it looks FUN to them. Like I said earlier, this trailer sold my entire office staff on the movie. That's 9 early to middle age females and one in her 60s. To a person, they said they were excited for this movie. In the end, THAT is the goal...to generate initial interest with familiar characters (this is why Elita is not featured that much...she is simply not as familiar to the general audience) and some comedy aimed at exciting the kids and maybe making us old farts chuckle a bit.

The FB Transformers Addicts page is a awash in fanboy tears and whining. Frankly, I'm disgusted. I used to think Star Wars fans were the most fickle fan base with the loudest squeaky wheels and 4-year-olds-in-40-year-old bodies throwing temper tantrums because the latest fare doesn't live up to their standards. I have changed my mind, there's a new king of the Fandom Tantrum. Congratulations, Transfans.

When a restaurant starts serving **** sandwiches and blames the customer for not blindly consuming product with a smile and eagerly awaiting more product, that restaurant fails. That's a lesson Disney/Lucasfilm refuses to learn. Give the customer what they want and they remain customers. Try to cram crap down their throats that they don't want and they let you crash and burn.

The very height of hubris is to make the assumption that you are the only customer that matters. In the grand scheme of things, more younger people are fans of the new Transformers than the old school. Since they are going to be around longer, it makes sense to focus on them as a longer revenue stream. As people have said repeatedly, these movies are NOT aimed at collectors, who frankly are a bunch of a**holes anymore. They are aimed at a broad general audience. The easter eggs are for collectors, but the movies are to the masses and designed to make money. General audiences don't pick apart characters and motivation and factor in canon like the childlike fanboys. They want an escape and to have fun. If you think that because you as a Transfan you should have a bigger input and that they should cater to your pathetic tuchus when you make up less than 0.0003% of the general population, then go take a nap and go back to your coloring books and crayons...you need to grow up.

Personally, the only one I see acting like a child that needs a nap and pacifier is you. Whether you like it or not, people are entitled to their opinion and have the freedom to express it. If you can't emotionally come to terms with that, you are the problem, not us.

Cheers

[Glyph]

I don't see anything in that interview that says it's a new continuity not at all connected to the previous films.

I think, when talking about Transformers One, a lot of people look back to Transformers: The Movie, since that was the last animated Transformers movie. Is Transformers One taking inspiration from that movie at all or any other particular Transformers media?

Cooley: Well, not specifically that film or any other film, except for the fact that they're the same characters. [...] Then Hasbro gave me the bible of Transformers, which is, "here's the entire timeline." I didn't realize that all we've seen in film is only this tiny bit of this gigantic story.

[...]

So there was nothing that we could borrow from the other films except for the fact that they are the same characters. We're just backing up in the timeline and going, who are they before they became what we know?

Yeah, you could read this both ways, but it seems pretty clear to me that while the film is riffing on different aspects of TF lore from movies to cartoons to comics, it's not intending to be bound by any previous media?

I mean, not that the Bayverse films have ever been particularly bothered about internal continuity anyway, but this seems to be very much in the space of "another story in the TF tapestry" to me, and not intended to be in any strict continuity at all. (Beyond Hasbro's general loosey-goosey "it's all canon!" approach)

[Sabrblade]

I think, when talking about Transformers One, a lot of people look back to Transformers: The Movie, since that was the last animated Transformers movie. Is Transformers One taking inspiration from that movie at all or any other particular Transformers media?

Cooley: Well, not specifically that film or any other film, except for the fact that they're the same characters. [...] Then Hasbro gave me the bible of Transformers, which is, "here's the entire timeline." I didn't realize that all we've seen in film is only this tiny bit of this gigantic story.

[...]

So there was nothing that we could borrow from the other films except for the fact that they are the same characters. We're just backing up in the timeline and going, who are they before they became what we know?

Yeah, you could read this both ways, but it seems pretty clear to me that while the film is riffing on different aspects of TF lore from movies to cartoons to comics, it's not intending to be bound by any previous media?

I mean, not that the Bayverse films have every been particularly bothered about internal continuity anyway, but this seems to be very much in the space of "another story in the TF tapestry" to me, and not intended to be in any strict continuity at all. (Beyond Hasbro's general loosey-goosey "it's all canon!" approach)

"Transformers: The Movie" is the 1986 animated movie. That's what the question was asking about.

[alphatron10]

Reading some of these comments and. You guys realize how many backstories and various canons there’s been right? This is something new, like how all previous iterations were themselves new in their time. I just don’t understand why this movie HAS to follow all that came before, why it has to specifically stick with one set of origin stories. It’s already so based on what’s come before, but it being not exact to one particular continuity is an issue?

This franchise might be in need of some Beast Machines level risks. I’m talking a whole series with almost zero characters that have come before.

Of course I’m still excited, and of course I get someone just not wanting to see it, but some of the reasoning here is a bit confusing.

HOW DARE YOU!!!!

TRANSFORMERS IS SUPPOSED TO HAVE THE SAME EXACT ORIGIN IN EVERY ITERATION!!!

NOTHING CAN EVER BE EVEN SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT!!

(All sarcasm if not evident lmao)

But seriously, people just love to complain that something isn't for them, so they go and say it's bad

[Glyph]

"Transformers: The Movie" is the 1986 animated movie. That's what the question was asking about.

Yes, I know - they also said "any other Transformers media" and Cooley said "or any other film". I'm reading "they're the same characters" as "it's Optimus Prime", not "it's Optimus Prime (2007 continuity)".

In fact, if they were specifically talking about TF '86, then "they're the same characters" would be referring to Sunbow Optimus in that sentence!


--EDIT--
Argh, replies coming in while I type.

[Sabrblade]

This interview with director Josh Cooley explains why the trailer has so many jokes in it:

That being said, in the trailer, we showcase a lot of comedy because we were having so much fun with these characters and with these actors that it just naturally made its way into the film. Optimus and Megatron become enemies, and so I wanted to make sure that the audience fell in love with them as brothers, as friends early on. By the end of this film, there's some serious stakes and there's the same amount of action and adventure that you come to expect from a Transformers film. It has that fun, light tone to it, but then it gets very real as well.

[alphatron10]

That looks like a big plate of hot garbage and the voices just don't work. This feels too much like those last two cringe-worthy Thor movies.

You mean the Thor movie that is arguably a top-5 movie in the MCU? Ragnarok?

[Glyph]

Re: continuity in the movies in general: I guess I'm operating from the assumption that if someone was handed a binder of TF lore by Hasbro and comments that they had no idea there was so much prior story, then they're not going to be discussing precise continuity within the TF multiverse in the way fans do, whatever Lorenzo tries to claim. Some context has to be assumed. "Characters" means "the hero guy called Optimus Prime who's a big red truck".

[Sabrblade]

Re: continuity in the movies in general: I guess I'm operating from the assumption that if someone was handed a binder of TF lore by Hasbro and comments that they had no idea there was so much prior story, then they're not going to be discussing precise continuity within the TF multiverse in the way fans do, whatever Lorenzo tries to claim. Some context has to be assumed. "Characters" means "the hero guy called Optimus Prime who's a big red truck".

This bible is most likely the Binder of Revelation that served to map out the Aligned continuity and was built largely on elements of Movie, ROTF, G1, BW, UT, IDW, and Animated lore combined together.

[Glyph]

That's my assumption too! Even if Hasbro has backed off Aligned as the One True Continuity, I figure they see all recent TF media as being broadly part of the same story; but likewise I figure that this film is an "in-continuity prequel" to the Bayverse films only to the extent that all the live-action films, Prime and RiD are in strict continuity with each other.

My point is just to read Cooley's comments in the context of someone who hadn't seen the Binder before, not someone who's intimately familiar with TF continuity.

[JazZeke]

When a restaurant starts serving **** sandwiches and blames the customer for not blindly consuming product with a smile and eagerly awaiting more product, that restaurant fails. That's a lesson Disney/Lucasfilm refuses to learn. Give the customer what they want and they remain customers. Try to cram crap down their throats that they don't want and they let you crash and burn.

The very height of hubris is to make the assumption that you are the only customer that matters. In the grand scheme of things, more younger people are fans of the new Transformers than the old school. Since they are going to be around longer, it makes sense to focus on them as a longer revenue stream. As people have said repeatedly, these movies are NOT aimed at collectors, who frankly are a bunch of a**holes anymore. They are aimed at a broad general audience. The easter eggs are for collectors, but the movies are to the masses and designed to make money. General audiences don't pick apart characters and motivation and factor in canon like the childlike fanboys. They want an escape and to have fun. If you think that because you as a Transfan you should have a bigger input and that they should cater to your pathetic tuchus when you make up less than 0.0003% of the general population, then go take a nap and go back to your coloring books and crayons...you need to grow up.

Damn, I wish this board had a "like comment" feature.

[Sabrblade]

I keep seeing people use the words "kids movie" to refer to this one. What makes this more of a "kids movie" than a "family movie"? I see this as more of the latter than the former. To me, "kids movie" means it's meant only for kids and has little to no value for adults to enjoy. This looks like it's aimed at the same audience as Shrek.

[First-Aid]

I keep seeing people use the words "kids movie" to refer to this one. What makes this more of a "kids movie" than a "family movie"? I see this as more of the latter than the former. To me, "kids movie" means it's meant only for kids and has little to no value for adults to enjoy. This looks like it's aimed at the same audience as Shrek.

Or "The Incredibles".

[Sabrblade]

I keep seeing people use the words "kids movie" to refer to this one. What makes this more of a "kids movie" than a "family movie"? I see this as more of the latter than the former. To me, "kids movie" means it's meant only for kids and has little to no value for adults to enjoy. This looks like it's aimed at the same audience as Shrek.

Or "The Incredibles".

Same audience.

[-Kanrabat-]

I keep seeing people use the words "kids movie" to refer to this one. What makes this more of a "kids movie" than a "family movie"? I see this as more of the latter than the former. To me, "kids movie" means it's meant only for kids and has little to no value for adults to enjoy. This looks like it's aimed at the same audience as Shrek.

I'm all for the kids to have their fun too.
We got plenty of grimdark with the Bay movies.


I'm not a kid.
I do not have a family.
But this ain't going to stop me.

Time for a FUN TF movie for once.

Also, Shrek is LEGENDARY. I was 25 when it was released in 2001. I bought the special edition DVD and I watch every single minutes of it. All the special features. Even the French and Spanish version on it. I don't think TF1 will match the Legend, but if it's aimed at the same audience, DAMN, this will be good.

[Sabrblade]

I keep seeing people use the words "kids movie" to refer to this one. What makes this more of a "kids movie" than a "family movie"? I see this as more of the latter than the former. To me, "kids movie" means it's meant only for kids and has little to no value for adults to enjoy. This looks like it's aimed at the same audience as Shrek.

I'm all for the kids to have their fun too.
We got plenty of grimdark with the Bay movies.


I'm not a kid.
I do not have a family.
But this ain't going to stop me.

Time for a FUN TF movie for once.

Also, Shrek is LEGENDARY. I was 25 when it was released in 2001. I bought the special edition DVD and I watch every single minutes of it. All the special features. Even the French and Spanish version on it. I don't think TF1 will match the Legend, but if it's aimed at the same audience, DAMN, this will be good.

I'm saying, this doesn't look like it's aimed at kids, it looks like it's aimed at all ages like family films are.

[Glyph]

--EDIT
Actually, I'm gonna strike that and just say that I think "kids movie" here is just meaning that its marketing skews towards the younger end of "family movie" rather than the older, and particularly younger than the previous movies. Not specifically "movie for kids and only kids". "Family" can cover a broad range...

What makes this more of a "kids movie" than a "family movie"?

Well, bluntly, the fact that it's animated and brightly coloured with a joke-filled trailer, so has more appeal for (a) kids and (b) parents of kids, bonus points for nostalgia, than a live-action trailer full of young adults and grey robots brawling.

Not saying I agree with that bias - I'm a big proponent of the view that animation is a medium, not a genre - but it should be recognised in the marketing for what it says about the target. (And with the caveat that Cooley directly acknowledged that they made a jokey, fun trailer for the hype.)

FWIW I'm sure it will be more of a family movie than "just for kids", but the marketing very clearly skews younger than the previous movies.

[DeathReviews]

As with most gags, it's the elements of TRUTH what makes them funny...

[-Kanrabat-]

Both are with canes, implying they are "too old" for this!

That bit about the beardless dad was genius, but at least in TF1, the faces are good. A far cry from the uncanny horrors of Earthspark.

[partholon]

Dear gods that was horrific.

I've seen the Lego movie already, I don't need to see it again with kid Megatron.

I was hoping for something along the lines of what's happening with x men 97 , too much to ask I guess.

[Dominus Prime]

The way I'm gonna view this movie is to look at it as a stand-alone feature. If you try to tie it in with whatever continuity is your preference, you will more than likely be disappointed. I say watch it as a stand-alone and enjoy it for what it is. I'm sure it'll be entertaining and have a few cool things to it. Will it be what I'd like a Transformers Origin movie to be? No, it won't, but I'll enjoy it for what it is.

[First-Aid]

Dear gods that was horrific.

I've seen the Lego movie already, I don't need to see it again with kid Megatron.

I was hoping for something along the lines of what's happening with x men 97 , too much to ask I guess.

I think that's a different target audience. If you are a fan of Xmen 97 then that means you likely followed the original when it was on back then- 27 years ago. That puts you in your late 30s at best. AKA an adult audience.

[Rodimus Prime]

The way I'm gonna view this movie is to look at it as a stand-alone feature. If you try to tie it in with whatever continuity is your preference, you will more than likely be disappointed. I say watch it as a stand-alone and enjoy it for what it is. I'm sure it'll be entertaining and have a few cool things to it. Will it be what I'd like a Transformers Origin movie to be? No, it won't, but I'll enjoy it for what it is.

That's exactly what I'm doing. I probably won't even consider it a movie, just a really long cartoon episode, probably a 5-parter like Five Faces of Darkness, since there will be Quints in it. I just hope they didn't jam all the fun parts into the trailer.

And did Starscream resemble Reactivate Screamer in his scene? I noticed Shockwave looked like FoC Shockwave.