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AcademyofDrX wrote:Wow, this thread is really going off the rails today. In case anyone stumbles upon this thread and wonders what's wrong with Transformers fans, I'd like to present an alternative.

Black lives matter.
It would be nice if (some) police stopped trying to kill people for not following directions.
The US government mistreated the Native population ... not sure why that came up in BLM, but okay.
I guess I'll add that genocide is not a good thing in general.
The covid pandemic is real and has actual verifiable harms. We know well over a hundred thousand have died in the US alone.
Masks work to limit spread of the virus. Did someone say masks don't work? Maybe I'm just misremembering.

In my personal opinion, I think it would be good if we could stay on topic and focus on the first couple of things, but there are a lot of other people trying to make this a catch-all for whatever they're talking about over at Gab or /pol.

Seems like the White House guests could have used Kyle's help the other night.

https://www.givesendgo.com/GUCZ?fbclid=IwAR381CrDhT_GH-2IsqLZhi2U8hQ5XY-wFKE3QHSfc-mHmasjNJaulhFiR2k

Kyle will be Sandman 2.0. All that MSM smearing of him will earn him some millions down the line. Thanks to him having Sandman's lawwer!

In other news, the mob came for Ted Wheeler, mayor of Portland who kept sucking up to the Far Left and BLM. That's what you get for pandering to extremists.

AcademyofDrX wrote:Wow, this thread is really going off the rails today. In case anyone stumbles upon this thread and wonders what's wrong with Transformers fans, I'd like to present an alternative.

Black lives matter.
It would be nice if (some) police stopped trying to kill people for not following directions.
The US government mistreated the Native population ... not sure why that came up in BLM, but okay.
I guess I'll add that genocide is not a good thing in general.
The covid pandemic is real and has actual verifiable harms. We know well over a hundred thousand have died in the US alone.
Masks work to limit spread of the virus. Did someone say masks don't work? Maybe I'm just misremembering.

In my personal opinion, I think it would be good if we could stay on topic and focus on the first couple of things, but there are a lot of other people trying to make this a catch-all for whatever they're talking about over at Gab or /pol.

I guess I need to add another one: MURDER IS BAD

I said at the start of this discussion that many of the commenters here don't have common morality. It seems they also don't have common decency. This is well past the point of basic political disagreement.

Did you know in the ME it's illegal to punch someone in the face with a closed fist? You'd be charged with attempted murder.

AcademyofDrX wrote:In my personal opinion, I think it would be good if we could stay on topic and focus on the first couple of things, but there are a lot of other people trying to make this a catch-all for whatever they're talking about over at Gab or /pol.

Still better than having it spread across the board. And yeah, containment like that is a nice analogy for how the virus epidemic is handled by governments and parts of the population. Not for this thread tho.

AcademyofDrX wrote:Wow, this thread is really going off the rails today. In case anyone stumbles upon this thread and wonders what's wrong with Transformers fans, I'd like to present an alternative.

Black lives matter.
It would be nice if (some) police stopped trying to kill people for not following directions.
The US government mistreated the Native population ... not sure why that came up in BLM, but okay.
I guess I'll add that genocide is not a good thing in general.
The covid pandemic is real and has actual verifiable harms. We know well over a hundred thousand have died in the US alone.
Masks work to limit spread of the virus. Did someone say masks don't work? Maybe I'm just misremembering.

To touch upon the points one at a time:

It would be nice if (some) police stopped trying to kill people for not following directions.

That would be very nice indeed. Unfortunately, a couple of rather nasty concepts undermine that wish:

a) the thought they can get away with it
b) the overall feeling of superiority
c) prejudice (of which racism is a part)

It's especially the latter that's dangerous, because it blinds people from exceptions of the so-called established rule that "that people is like that" or "that religion is like this". And the media is not really helping to dispel those ideas, nor the people who don't open their mind to the idea.

The US government mistreated the Native population ... not sure why that came up in BLM, but okay.

Analogies I'm guessing. Past iterations of the US government have been rather... evil towards them for lack of a better term. The atrocities committed roughly mirror what's going on now. In other words, it's not new what's going on.

I guess I'll add that genocide is not a good thing in general.

Especially if it's to subjugate a population in a show of force or just to eradicate them because they don't confirm to a (perfect) order "and never will".

I guess I need to add another one: MURDER IS BAD

Amen.

Truthstar9 wrote:Did you know in the ME it's illegal to punch someone in the face with a closed fist? You'd be charged with attempted murder.

Do you know how old that law is?

For all the BLM racists that don't give a care it happens to ALL Americans.

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:
It would be nice if (some) police stopped trying to kill people for not following directions.

That would be very nice indeed. Unfortunately, a couple of rather nasty concepts undermine that wish:

a) the thought they can get away with it
b) the overall feeling of superiority
c) prejudice (of which racism is a part)

It's especially the latter that's dangerous, because it blinds people from exceptions of the so-called established rule that "that people is like that" or "that religion is like this". And the media is not really helping to dispel those ideas, nor the people who don't open their mind to the idea.

That's just wishful thinking that it's that simple. It's not "prejudice" that kill the criminals who resist arrest. It's what MUST be done to keep the officer safe and everyone else around the scene.

I saw a video from the UK. The cop was UNARMED. No nothing. Because muh political correctness. There was a guy (race irrelevant) who stabbed a woman in the belly with a long knife. She crouch on the ground, cluching her stomach, in pain. The cop is just there, not even 3 feet away from the scene. He was just there, waving his arm around, most likely trying to TELL the criminal to stop stabbing. Did the criminal stop?
Nooooooooooooooooooo. He went back to the woman and stabbed her some more for good heasure. Then the guy just walk away as if he just bought a coke. The woman is DEAD. The cop is there, confused, waving his arms like an idiot.

Now, take that same scene in the USA. The criminal may have had never the time to knife the woman. The cop would have fatten up this bastard with a few pounds of lead in two seconds and that woman would be alive.

Still in the UK, I saw a video where a woman DECAPITATED a child right in the middle of the busy street while shouting nonsense. This would have never happened in the USA.

(Look up those videos yourself because I'm not linking to real life gore.)

Where there unjust and/or accidental killings in the USA? Of course those happened. But how many lives were saved because the dangerous criminal was justifiably shot?
Here's a hint for criminals. The cop is there to stop you? STFU and obey. It's that simple. No matter if your arrest is "unjust" or not.

And before calling "race race race", know that most criminals that get shot in the USA are white. Because % of population. And bizarely, the media almost never mention the race of the cop who shoot a criminal. That's not good for the narrative.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:
It would be nice if (some) police stopped trying to kill people for not following directions.

That would be very nice indeed. Unfortunately, a couple of rather nasty concepts undermine that wish:

a) the thought they can get away with it
b) the overall feeling of superiority
c) prejudice (of which racism is a part)

It's especially the latter that's dangerous, because it blinds people from exceptions of the so-called established rule that "that people is like that" or "that religion is like this". And the media is not really helping to dispel those ideas, nor the people who don't open their mind to the idea.

That's just wishful thinking that it's that simple. It's not "prejudice" that kill the criminals who resist arrest. It's what MUST be done to keep the officer safe and everyone else around the scene.

I will agree that that form of incapacitating has saved lives in retrospect, but especially with unarmed suspects I'd rather see such force avoided. As a personal rule, counter force has to match the aggressive one, or go over just enough to incapacitate or render harmless. Unfortunately, I've read about police forces being triggerhappy with anything that remotely looks like a weapon, but turned out to be a toy for instance.
Yes, suspects are required to follow an officer's instruction, by law. But how some think about police or the fear of doing time and wrecking their future is still a problem in that aspect.

Can police force protocols be improved? Most certainly. What I'd like to know is if there are any regular psychiatric screenings, for starters.

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:Can police force protocols be improved? Most certainly. What I'd like to know is if there are any regular psychiatric screenings, for starters.

Of course the system is far from perfect and improvements must be done. All those gruesome swatting incidents come to mind.

"Defunding" is certainly not the solution. The opposite is needed in fact. Then those funds must be managed smartly. Easier said than done, of course.

This is worth a read. An actual objective look instead of usual MSM vomit.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/as-tw ... li=BBnbfcL

Rodimus Prime wrote:This is worth a read. An actual objective look instead of usual MSM vomit.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/as-tw ... li=BBnbfcL

This is now the heart and soul of the BLM movement.
Pure hatred and insanity.

Yet, sports organisations like the NFL and NBA are plastering the logo of that litteral hate group all over despite tanking ratings. It's baffling.
Anyone still supporting BLM at this point are either completely gaslighted by the mainstream media or are genuine sociopath.

The white supremacists have succeeded in implementing their hate message via decades of indoctrinations with the accursed Critical Race Theories nonsense. A cancer that is destroying our society from the inside out since at least 40 years! Trump only chipped away at the tip of the iceberg by banning it (or trying to ban it) at the federal level. True victory will only come when it's been purged from the Media, corporations, and education system.

CRT is the root of the problem and may be the cause of the next American civil war.
KGB defector Yuri Bezmenov's did his WARNING to America way back in 1984. We didn't listened...

Calling for the murder of cops is not representative of BLM.

AcademyofDrX wrote:Calling for the murder of cops is not representative of BLM.

Sadly, it is. As they call for murder, burn businesses, and intimidate people, it's "BLM" they are chanting. It's BLM signs they raise. It's BLM merch they wear.

The mask has slipped. BLM is the modern days KKK. Plain and simple. And they have the Democrats support. No wonder.

It's not new.
5 years ago:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

AcademyofDrX wrote:Calling for the murder of cops is not representative of BLM.

Sadly, it is. As they call for murder, burn businesses, and intimidate people, it's "BLM" they are chanting. It's BLM signs they raise. It's BLM merch they wear.

The mask has slipped. BLM is the modern days KKK. Plain and simple. And they have the Democrats support. No wonder.

It's not new.
5 years ago:

BLM LOL. To whomever started this pos thread. You exposed yourself to be a traitorous dog to your own Country. Hope all the cards fall where they may come election.

Just to add. Hope city and town police get defunded across the Country. No need for them thanks to our beautiful Constitution!

Truthstar9 wrote:Just to add. Hope city and town police get defunded across the Country. No need for them thanks to our beautiful Constitution!

"You don't need guns because there's police."

"Defund the police!"

"There. A sign that say forbidden/illegal, that shall do it."

"YELP! I'M A VICTIM! POL... Oh..."

Die



Also, one more example of normal people getting fed up by those BLM "activists":

AcademyofDrX wrote:Calling for the murder of cops is not representative of BLM.

I'm gonna go ahead and give this one to you, because I've watched you and I don't feel like you're a malicious individual. I think that's probably the best thing I can say but that's what I believe. So I want to have this arguement with you. I believe you when you say that the murder of police is not representative of BLM. However, the people DOING the murders -do- identify as BLM, or Antifa, or any of the other satellite groups that orbit around this movement. It reminds me of this lovely picture:



I had that one trotted out to me more than a few times whenever I pushed back against BLM, even though I don't think I've really put myself out there as a #alllivesmatter kinda person. Regardless, the whole point of the image is that there is a problem right now. There is a problem in the black community and it needs to be dealt with. And whatever problems you think you have, they can wait until we have dealt with THIS problem. Well, I turn it around on you.

You say that these people are not representative of BLM. Fine, I'll stand with you on that one. I will not, however, be open to discussing anything, at all, BLM related until this STOPS. I don't honestly give a damn anymore about BLM so long as there are violent riots in the streets. So long as there are stores being looted. So long as there are people being beaten. So long as there are police being targeted and assassinated. I'm not listening. If you want to have a conversation, we can do that after you get YOUR house in order and get the people on YOUR side under control, whether they're with you or not. They're standing with you. They're marching with you. They're carrying your banner, wearing your symbols, chanting your slogans. Until then, no, there's no compromise, no negotiation.

This seems to be the lesson that STILL hasn't been learned since Floyd. Despite the mounting evidence that shows the cops might not have actually been responsible for his death at all, when it happened you had EVERYONE on your side. The goodwill and sympathy of the ENTIRE WORLD and it was pissed away in one night as people burned down the city of Minneapolis under the banner of vengence and black lives matter. What was true then is true now. So long as the violence continues the conversation is off the table, and if the violence doesn't stop it will be met with more violence. You're seeing it already and it's only getting started.

Biden just took the lead in Georgia, so there's that. Who knows what happens later.

I do believe the possibility for equal treatment of all citizens in the US improves if the incumbent loses this one.

I mean even Amy Coney Barrett acknowledged "Racism persists in our country,"

This aged gorgeously

I heard that a lot of BLM donations were embezzled by the organisers.

snavej wrote:I heard that a lot of BLM donations were embezzled by the organisers.

Which was a surprise to no one with common sense.