Studio Series Wave 12 Found at US and Canadian Retail

So, I have a question for everyone that's picked up SS86 Scourge: Do you think he's worth getting?

Mine's worth it to me
He's a little short compared to cyclonus and the upcoming galvatron but I like him a lot. He reminds me of Mr Sinister

Sentinel_Primal wrote:So, I have a question for everyone that's picked up SS86 Scourge: Do you think he's worth getting?

All the way. He look absolutely fantastic next to Cyclonus and his transformation is fun. Plus his laser effect is hilarious. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

He have two flaws. The underside of the space boat is not as clean as the previous versions and he's back heavy in bot mode. No deal breakers though.

Overall, worth getting at full price.

Scourge is absolutely worth getting. And yes at full price.
Imo, Cyclonus, Scourge, Grimlock, & Hot Rod are the best figures to be released in these recent lines.
I’m not into BW so sure, someone may say one of those figures deserves high recognition. That’s also not to suggest there haven’t been other outstanding figures from the last couple years.
But for me Scourge is pretty special— it’s really difficult and tbh almost impossible for me to believe Hastak can or ever will make a better version of this character.
If anything, I see this one being re-released down the road (especially if they want to “celebrate” the movie in 5 years). So yeah, the colors could change slightly (although those are also on point imo). Hastak could really cash-in on that situation.
The head/face sculpt, the LACK of the Siege-style overkilled mold details, the proportions, the transformation, & the alt mode are all incredibly good. I also think he scales really well with Cyclonus. I don’t mind at all that he’s slightly shorter. To me this is very in-line with the hierarchy of the characters.
Could his wings look more “wing-like”? Maybe, but I’m not sure how if he’s still going to transform & have a good looking alt mode.
In a few years will Hastak revisit this character? Yeah, possibly. A lot of collectors just like the idea of “new” once some time has passed.
But will any future version be better? Possible, but unlikely.
Not only could Hastak re-release this guy in the future, but by making such a quality version they’ve created themselves an opportunity to now go in a different direction; meaning the next release of this character could be based on some gimmick & get away from the screen-accurate appearance being such a priority
(which is what I’m predicting for a lot of these characters’ next releases).
The thought of, “We made an extremely accurate G1 version of this guy which is pretty damn good; do you really want another one? How about we now go in a different direction & switch it up a bit?” makes a whole lot of sense.
Between the “new” factor & a “play enhancing” gimmick, some collectors will buy a new version in 3-5 years, so Hastak has a win-win.
“Different direction” & “switching it up” doesn’t just refer to stylization of specific characters, it also means Hastak can branch out even more into different TF series.
Even as a fan of G1, I know it’s time for this to start happening more. Just because I won’t buy BW, Cybertron, or Armada figures doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be made.

That was a lengthy “yes”, but even if you’re on the fence I completely recommend getting this guy!!!

One thing I will caution- and its most likely just with my copy- one of the wings doesn't quite sit flush in his alt mode. The other one hugs the bottom but this one leaves a slight amount of space and I stupidly just kept trying to push at it to see what the problem was and now there's a small stretch mark at the point of connection. It's barely noticeable but it is a bit scary lol

Thanks everyone! I've been on the fence about getting him since I've never really liked his alt mode and I have the Titans Return Scourge but I finally saw him in hand yesterday and he was looking good, but I wasn't sure if I should get him or not. If he's still there I'll probably pick him up

Sentinel_Primal wrote:Thanks everyone! I've been on the fence about getting him since I've never really liked his alt mode and I have the Titans Return Scourge but I finally saw him in hand yesterday and he was looking good, but I wasn't sure if I should get him or not. If he's still there I'll probably pick him up

I bought three of him. And they are making a Sweep. My Sweep may end up being my Scourge.

SS86 Slag and Daniel from Vector Sigma Facebook and he is massive!!!

Greetings Seibertronians! Thanks to fellow Seibertron user, Aronjlove, we've learned that the folks over at the Vector Sigma Facebook page have dropped a Bombshell, our first peek at the forthcoming Transformers Studio Series 86 Leader Class Slag and Daniel!











Slag, following Grimlock before him, looks extremely accurate to the G1 cartoon. Daniel seems to be another non-transforming addition to the figure like Wheelie with Grimlock, but that could be proven otherwise the more we get to see of the figure. Hopefully an official reveal us in our future.

Update:

Thanks to the intrepid efforts of fellow Seibertron user, Mindmaster, we now have a better photo showing off Daniel!



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What!?!

OMG! Yes. All of the YES! Bought on sight.

I hope they do the other 3 as leaders !!!!! They can pack Carly with Swoop !!!!

Mbaybe Chip Chase with Snarl .

HELLS YES!!!!!!!!!!

In dino mode the rear legs are a little thin, but you can tell the reason is so that they would tuck away into the lower sections of the bot legs.
Overall, that is glorious!!!!!!!!

The robot mode is so good!! Red face and head!!!!
So excited about this news!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Updated news post with new photo of Daniel

It's a shame the pack-in figures seem to be defaulting to a bent-knee posture but with how good the main figure is I ain't complaining. Grimlock was a buy on site and so is Slag. Very happy they are using leader class for them all. Can't wait to see the rest!

Bombshell0001 wrote:I hope they do the other 3 as leaders !!!!! They can pack Carly with Swoop !!!!

As much as people have said Swoop could be a voyager, I hope he's a leader... A large dino mode for him would be awesome... Plus then he won't look like a Dinobot Jr. in bot mode.
The more I think about it, the more it will be a really tremendous letdown if he ends up being a voyager.
And if "plastic distribution" is an issue, I say pack in a couple of the swords with him.
I'd also consider that with either of the 2 others; which ever Hastak feels is the less popular, pack in 3 swords and a handful of blast effects (if they're not going to include a human figure); helps both justify the price, and helps makes the figure a little more appealing!

Sowndwave76 wrote:

Bombshell0001 wrote:I hope they do the other 3 as leaders !!!!! They can pack Carly with Swoop !!!!

As much as people have said Swoop could be a voyager, I hope he's a leader... A large dino mode for him would be awesome... Plus then he won't look like a Dinobot Jr. in bot mode.
The more I think about it, the more it will be a really tremendous letdown if he ends up being a voyager.
And if "plastic distribution" is an issue, I say pack in a couple of the swords with him.
I'd also consider that with either of the 2 others; which ever Hastak feels is the less popular, pack in 3 swords and a handful of blast effects (if they're not going to include a human figure); helps both justify the price, and helps makes the figure a little more appealing!

For me, they don't even need to pack in anything and I'll buy a leader Swoop. I don't normally worry about scale so much but these are shaping up to be the definitive take for me on the Dinobots. Leader-class for them all!

YESSSSSSSSSS AHAHAHAH THIS IS BEAUTIFUL! As someone who doesn't really love the G1 Slag design, I'm just SO hyped that they seem to be giving us the rest of the Dinobots IN LEADER CLASS SCALE. That is simply EPIC. I can imagine them doing Swoop as a larger Voyager closer to Cyclonus's height to make more sense of their budget, and I'm totally good with that.

aronjlove wrote:For me, they don't even need to pack in anything and I'll buy a leader Swoop. I don't normally worry about scale so much but these are shaping up to be the definitive take for me on the Dinobots. Leader-class for them all!

Absolutely... If they each came with their gun and sword, I'd still happily pay $50 per.
Was just thinking that even with long wings, Swoop may not use as much plastic.
If they run out of human/small character ideas for pack-in's, swords would be an easy add-in!!

YESSSSS FINALLYYYY
He looks good! I did notice the thin hind legs but his Dino mode looks pretty solid and he looks extra thicc in bot mode! Even makes grimmy look a little small which is perfect because I was going to put the rest of the dinobots with MP Grimlock anyways

Sowndwave76 wrote:

aronjlove wrote:For me, they don't even need to pack in anything and I'll buy a leader Swoop. I don't normally worry about scale so much but these are shaping up to be the definitive take for me on the Dinobots. Leader-class for them all!

Absolutely... If they each came with their gun and sword, I'd still happily pay $50 per.
Was just thinking that even with long wings, Swoop may not use as much plastic.
If they run out of human/small character ideas for pack-in's, swords would be an easy add-in!!

One can never have enough swords!

I see his gun stores to be part of his tail, pretty cool

aronjlove wrote:

Sowndwave76 wrote:

aronjlove wrote:For me, they don't even need to pack in anything and I'll buy a leader Swoop. I don't normally worry about scale so much but these are shaping up to be the definitive take for me on the Dinobots. Leader-class for them all!

Absolutely... If they each came with their gun and sword, I'd still happily pay $50 per.
Was just thinking that even with long wings, Swoop may not use as much plastic.
If they run out of human/small character ideas for pack-in's, swords would be an easy add-in!!

One can never have enough swords!

Only problem there is the swords don't make sense as part of the Studio Series 86 line (neither does carly or chip chase as they never appeared in the movie)

Now if only there was some line that would be ripe for an accessory pack like toy accurate swords...some Selective line,wonder if there's anything like that where you could select to buy it if you cared enough?

This looks pretty good! Although I gotta admit, I prefer the black head to the red one. I know this is more accurate to the movie, and what with this being Studio Series, of course they're going to imitate that look, but I hope they have an alt version at some point that matches his toy and comic appearances.

Now for the real question...are they going to actually release him as Slag? Or will he be renamed Slug again?

aronjlove wrote:

Sowndwave76 wrote:

aronjlove wrote:For me, they don't even need to pack in anything and I'll buy a leader Swoop. I don't normally worry about scale so much but these are shaping up to be the definitive take for me on the Dinobots. Leader-class for them all!

Absolutely... If they each came with their gun and sword, I'd still happily pay $50 per.
Was just thinking that even with long wings, Swoop may not use as much plastic.
If they run out of human/small character ideas for pack-in's, swords would be an easy add-in!!

One can never have enough swords!

Haha, yes!!

This is also once again a reminder--
Even though this isn't an MP (and barring any major QC issues), this looks incredibly well done.
Sure, this is under the SS86 banner... But this is an example of what Hastak can do.
Not to mention, they are making some (not all, but some) really good decisions...
I would've been so annoyed if the other 4 were made at voyager class size...
These characters ARE huge! They're supposed to tower over OP, Megatron, Soundwave, etc.
So good for us that these are happening, and sure, good for them; pretty sure these will make them some money.

Also, thanks AaronJ for sharing the news!!

Sowndwave76 wrote:

Bombshell0001 wrote:I hope they do the other 3 as leaders !!!!! They can pack Carly with Swoop !!!!

As much as people have said Swoop could be a voyager, I hope he's a leader... A large dino mode for him would be awesome... Plus then he won't look like a Dinobot Jr. in bot mode.
The more I think about it, the more it will be a really tremendous letdown if he ends up being a voyager.
And if "plastic distribution" is an issue, I say pack in a couple of the swords with him.
I'd also consider that with either of the 2 others; which ever Hastak feels is the less popular, pack in 3 swords and a handful of blast effects (if they're not going to include a human figure); helps both justify the price, and helps makes the figure a little more appealing!

My guess is that he'll be tall voyager-size (like Cyclonus, for example) but he'll be sold at Leader class price point because he'll have, like Hot Rod, more accessories, like the swords for the other dinobots.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand there's another bought on sight Dinobot. I've never been a fan of cartoon Slag's red head, but as with Grimlock's visor being blue it's not that big of a deal to me and I understand it's accurate to the version they're going for. Really hoping we get the rest of these bad boys in leader scale (and also some swords would be nice at some point).

MadProject wrote:My guess is that he'll be tall voyager-size (like Cyclonus, for example) but he'll be sold at Leader class price point because he'll have, like Hot Rod, more accessories, like the swords for the other dinobots.

As much as I want him to be leader class, I know there's a chance he'll be a large voyager...
First, he did have a more trim appearance in bot mode... It would look really odd of he's as buff-looking as the others.
But I do think it's possible to make him legit leader class, simply because of his wings.
Considering he shouldn't be scrawny, proportionally the wings should be really big.
And again, if they're wanting to sell him at Leader Class price point and need some "filler", I think somebody, maybe a couple people, have mentioned packing in multiple swords.

Here's a question... IF SS86 is going to continue into 2022 (and maybe beyond?), who will be next?
Snarl, Sludge, or Swoop? Also, if they're only going to release 2 leader class figs per year, is one an exclusive, or is one (Swoop) a voyager?
Thoughts?

If anyone wants a head start on preorders, he's a available on Amazon
https://www.seibertron.com/transformers ... der/45833/

Question for you all, was swoop significantly shorter than the other Dinobots?

It's ok but I'm not blown away. Legs are a little small looking in many of these angles. Also bummed there isn't any white paint on the face to break up the red block that is his head. Would much rather see those details realized than have these weird, pointless mini-figures included.

william-james88 wrote:Question for you all, was swoop significantly shorter than the other Dinobots?

I don't think significantly. Pages and pages ago someone shared a photo from the cartoon of them standing side by side, and they were all really close to the same height.

Edit:
Here's what gives me hope he can be legit Leader Class:

Basically as tall as the others:



Standing behind Sludge and Snarl, just as tall:


This is the one someone posted before. He's maybe barely shorter, but not by much:


He actually doesn't look much smaller in terms of bulk... I get it's discrepancies in animation, but just like the others, he's not a small character by any means! He should still be substantially bigger than OP and Cyclonus.

william-james88 wrote:Question for you all, was swoop significantly shorter than the other Dinobots?

In the G1 cartoon, he was usually portrayed as slightly smaller, yeah. Like most things in the cartoon, though, it was all over the place sometimes.





Edit: the "official" size charts I can find put him at about shoulder height to the other Dinobots, roughly the same height as Optimus Prime. That would fit right in at Voyager class in most lines.

He’s a little taller than I prefer but I’ll still get him. Sucks that Daniel is taking a page out of Wheelie’s book and skipping out on the knees.

Just hope Hasbro does the other three in a timely manner and not “one a year”.

Mindmaster wrote:He’s a little taller than I prefer but I’ll still get him. Sucks that Daniel is taking a page out of Wheelie’s book and skipping out on the knees.

Just hope Hasbro does the other three in a timely manner and not “one a year”.

Probably 2 a year I reckon since they have non 86 stuff to get out. Though... Next year we could see all three as one of them could be in what ever is after wfc

Sowndwave76 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Question for you all, was swoop significantly shorter than the other Dinobots?

I don't think significantly. Pages and pages ago someone shared a photo from the cartoon of them standing side by side, and they were all really close to the same height.

Edit:
Here's what gives me hope he can be legit Leader Class:

Basically as tall as the others:



Standing behind Sludge and Snarl, just as tall:


This is the one someone posted before. He's maybe barely shorter, but not by much:


He actually doesn't look much smaller in terms of bulk... I get it's discrepancies in animation, but just like the others, he's not a small character by any means! He should still be substantially bigger than OP and Cyclonus.

Going by an official Japanese scale chart, Swoop is actually shorter, coming up to Grimlock's shoulders:



He'll still be bumped up Leader with his wingspan making up the difference.

Slag as big as Grimlock!
Well, we're on the road to have a full team of "Mini MP" Dinobots!

Mindmaster wrote:He’s a little taller than I prefer but I’ll still get him. Sucks that Daniel is taking a page out of Wheelie’s book and skipping out on the knees.

Just hope Hasbro does the other three in a timely manner and not “one a year”.

Yeah, these extra "figures" are pretty worthless. Thankfully the main one is well worth it!
Also, looking through the photos again, Slag doesn't suffer from hollow forearms, and even in dino mode his hands are hidden and only visible from the bottoms of his feet.

I know at $50 a pop it doesn't hurt to spread them out, but I'm with you... Make 2 per year, and maybe one is an exclusive? I don't want this at all, but maybe Snarl since he had extremely limited screen time in the movie??
Either that or Swoop is indeed a huge voyager... Although my other thought is that Hastak is going to make more money off of him; I have a feeling we won't get swords, but re-colored blast effects that work for all of their guns.

Also, not meaning to troll, just really excited about Slag and talking about the other Dinobots!

Edit:
Alright alright!! Dang it... Those charts seemingly are pretty official...
I still want him taller than Siege/ER OP!!!! Otherwise I think it's going to look like a big miss.

Quick sidenote; check out Scourge is in fact shorter than Galvatron and Cyclonus.
Strangely, they have Springer as tall as Ultra Magnus... That doesn't seem right.

Also, it will be interesting to see; Snarl (my favorite) is usually seen with his sword...
I don't really want to, but if need be I'll buy a Gen Selects weapons pack if it includes their swords and new/re-colored blast effects. It would be nice if they created some specific "flame-styled" effect pieces for these guys (that would obvsly still work with other weapons).

Sowndwave76 wrote:

Mindmaster wrote:He’s a little taller than I prefer but I’ll still get him. Sucks that Daniel is taking a page out of Wheelie’s book and skipping out on the knees.

Just hope Hasbro does the other three in a timely manner and not “one a year”.

Yeah, these extra "figures" are pretty worthless. Thankfully the main one is well worth it!
Also, looking through the photos again, Slag doesn't suffer from hollow forearms, and even in dino mode his hands are hidden and only visible from the bottoms of his feet.

I know at $50 a pop it doesn't hurt to spread them out, but I'm with you... Make 2 per year, and maybe one is an exclusive? I don't want this at all, but maybe Snarl since he had extremely limited screen time in the movie??
Either that or Swoop is indeed a huge voyager... Although my other thought is that Hastak is going to make more money off of him; I have a feeling we won't get swords, but re-colored blast effects that work for all of their guns.

Also, not meaning to troll, just really excited about Slag and talking about the other Dinobots!

Edit:
Alright alright!! Dang it... Those charts seemingly are pretty official...
I still want him taller than Siege/ER OP!!!! Otherwise I think it's going to look like a big miss.

Quick sidenote; check out Scourge is in fact shorter than Galvatron and Cyclonus.
Strangely, they have Springer as tall as Ultra Magnus... That doesn't seem right.

Also, it will be interesting to see; Snarl (my favorite) is usually seen with his sword...
I don't really want to, but if need be I'll buy a Gen Selects weapons pack if it includes their swords and new/re-colored blast effects. It would be nice if they created some specific "flame-styled" effect pieces for these guys (that would obvsly still work with other weapons).

Were any dinobot seen with a sword in the movie? That's the only source that counts for this line.

Razorbeast88 wrote:I see his gun stores to be part of his tail, pretty cool

Thats the thing I like the least about it, kinda ruins the tail and means the the tail will be rigid and not able to swat any pesky sharkticons.

Definitely not liking the price on him either but means I'll have to pick up Grimlock at some point as they are looking to be what the POTP Dinobots should have been to begin with.

ZeroWolf wrote:

Sowndwave76 wrote:

Mindmaster wrote:He’s a little taller than I prefer but I’ll still get him. Sucks that Daniel is taking a page out of Wheelie’s book and skipping out on the knees.

Just hope Hasbro does the other three in a timely manner and not “one a year”.

Yeah, these extra "figures" are pretty worthless. Thankfully the main one is well worth it!
Also, looking through the photos again, Slag doesn't suffer from hollow forearms, and even in dino mode his hands are hidden and only visible from the bottoms of his feet.

I know at $50 a pop it doesn't hurt to spread them out, but I'm with you... Make 2 per year, and maybe one is an exclusive? I don't want this at all, but maybe Snarl since he had extremely limited screen time in the movie??
Either that or Swoop is indeed a huge voyager... Although my other thought is that Hastak is going to make more money off of him; I have a feeling we won't get swords, but re-colored blast effects that work for all of their guns.

Also, not meaning to troll, just really excited about Slag and talking about the other Dinobots!

Edit:
Alright alright!! Dang it... Those charts seemingly are pretty official...
I still want him taller than Siege/ER OP!!!! Otherwise I think it's going to look like a big miss.

Quick sidenote; check out Scourge is in fact shorter than Galvatron and Cyclonus.
Strangely, they have Springer as tall as Ultra Magnus... That doesn't seem right.

Also, it will be interesting to see; Snarl (my favorite) is usually seen with his sword...
I don't really want to, but if need be I'll buy a Gen Selects weapons pack if it includes their swords and new/re-colored blast effects. It would be nice if they created some specific "flame-styled" effect pieces for these guys (that would obvsly still work with other weapons).

Were any dinobot seen with a sword in the movie? That's the only source that counts for this line.

A better question would be: aside from Swoop, who was in Robot Mode?

Sowndwave76 wrote:Quick sidenote; check out Scourge is in fact shorter than Galvatron and Cyclonus.
Strangely, they have Springer as tall as Ultra Magnus... That doesn't seem right.

You got me curious, so I checked the Wiki: https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Official_sizes_ ... ale_charts:

Officially, Cyclonus is 7 meters tall, Galvatron is 6 meters, and Scourge is only 5 meters. Again though, G1 cartoon was all over the place sometimes.





Springer is the same height as Optimus Prime, both are 6 meters tall. Ultra Magnus is slightly taller than both at 7 meters. Springer was apparently a pretty big boi.

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:A better question would be: aside from Swoop, who was in Robot Mode?

Been a while, but weren't they all robots at the end so they could fly to fight Unicron? It was VERY brief, but I'm pretty sure they all did.

Edit: Found it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M8xWM-JAV0

Spider5800 wrote:

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:A better question would be: aside from Swoop, who was in Robot Mode?

Been a while, but weren't they all robots at the end so they could fly to fight Unicron? It was VERY brief, but I'm pretty sure they all did.

Edit: Found it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M8xWM-JAV0

They were also in robot mode when Optimus and Sunstreaker hot-dropped them to deal with Devastator during the Battle of Autobot City.

blackeyedprime wrote:

Razorbeast88 wrote:I see his gun stores to be part of his tail, pretty cool

Thats the thing I like the least about it, kinda ruins the tail and means the the tail will be rigid and not able to swat any pesky sharkticons.

Definitely not liking the price on him either but means I'll have to pick up Grimlock at some point as they are looking to be what the POTP Dinobots should have been to begin with.

Not a fan of that tail gimmick either... Hastak loves gimmicks... Although I get it; they're toys. But by no means is that a deal-breaker. Really, my only other complaint is that of all parts, the horns should have been solid with no hollow bits... And yet...

The price doesn't bother me at all... And yes, this is what I advise to everybody; get these guys while you can! I'm betting the aftermarket price for these guys will start near $100.
Now that's an off-putting price. And with the others seemingly on the way, people selling will have the option to keep those asking prices jacked way up, because there will be some legitimate demand.

Spider5800 wrote:You got me curious, so I checked the Wiki: https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Official_sizes_ ... ale_charts:

Officially, Cyclonus is 7 meters tall, Galvatron is 6 meters, and Scourge is only 5 meters. Again though, G1 cartoon was all over the place sometimes.

Springer is the same height as Optimus Prime, both are 6 meters tall. Ultra Magnus is slightly taller than both at 7 meters. Springer was apparently a pretty big boi.

Interesting... I always thought Magnus was even taller compared to those two.
Here's a question for you... Why didn't they do a version of Magnus in SS86?
Give that leader slot in Kingdom to a BW character (even a repaint), and give UM a better figure!
Talk about an important character in the movie!!

He's, uh, not taller than Grimmy, is he?

I mean, I don't care, I will pick him up instantly.

Just asking is all.

blackeyedprime wrote:

Razorbeast88 wrote:I see his gun stores to be part of his tail, pretty cool

Thats the thing I like the least about it, kinda ruins the tail and means the the tail will be rigid and not able to swat any pesky sharkticons.

Definitely not liking the price on him either but means I'll have to pick up Grimlock at some point as they are looking to be what the POTP Dinobots should have been to begin with.

Fair enough, I do wish they would've added tail articulation for him as well but I can't say I'm disappointed since I never really expected as much. Definitely way better then the potp version so im satisfied with it

Sowndwave76 wrote:Interesting... I always thought Magnus was even taller compared to those two.
Here's a question for you... Why didn't they do a version of Magnus in SS86?
Give that leader slot in Kingdom to a BW character (even a repaint), and give UM a better figure!
Talk about an important character in the movie!!

Most likely for the same reason they didn't release a Cyclonus in the SS line: He was already getting a version in Kingdom, which released simultaneously.

I'm honestly struggling to think of a Beast Wars leader that would have made sense with what they were doing in Kingdom (all S1 characters that actually look like beasts). The original line only really had Optimus (which was way out of scale with the show) and Megatron, who did get one. Only other leader size guys from the show were Transmetals, and that clashes with the aesthetic they were clearly going for here.

Edit: I do agree that they should have used a BETTER mold for Ultra Magnus. If they had, I think it would have been a moot point that he was in the Kingdom line instead of Studio Series. Cyclonus doesn't fit in that well, but the mold is amazing, so who cares.

Spider5800 wrote:
Most likely for the same reason they didn't release a Cyclonus in the SS line: He was already getting a version in Kingdom, which released simultaneously.

I'm honestly struggling to think of a Beast Wars leader that would have made sense with what they were doing in Kingdom (all S1 characters that actually look like beasts). The original line only really had Optimus (which was way out of scale with the show) and Megatron, who did get one. Only other leader size guys from the show were Transmetals, and that clashes with the aesthetic they were clearly going for here.

Edit: I do agree that they should have used a BETTER mold for Ultra Magnus. If they had, I think it would have been a moot point that he was in the Kingdom line instead of Studio Series. Cyclonus doesn't fit in that well, but the mold is amazing, so who cares.

Sure... Don't get me wrong, I don't care how we get figures like Cyclonus and Galvatron as long as we get them. Just wish that characters like Magnus and Springer would've been in SS86 to get better figures.

Also, ignore my rushed, crappy Ps job (and yes, the perspective is different), and just see that this is roughly what I hope for SS86 Swoop in terms of scale.
The top of his bot head (not dino head peak) is about to the top of Grimlock's shoulder.
But he's still taller and bigger/thicker than OP.

That would be perfect scaling for swoop as far as I'm concerned, fingers crossed!