Possible First Look at 2022 Exclusive Twin Twist and Waspinator Redecos

Otherwise known as Beast Wars Skywasp.

Lots to catch up on, I haven't been to this thread in almost 3 weeks.

so, let's start with the reveals:

Wildrider: this one got my hopes up for the Stunticons. I actually really like how this one looks. i will get this one.

Elita: She doesn't really appeal to me, I love the PotP one. I look forward to the mold as Minerva though.

Tarantulas: It looks like a good toy. It took me a day to figure it out, but it doesn't really appeal to me as much as I had hoped it would, and that is because the Transmetal look is THE look for me. It's odd to see him back in his season 1 body. Doesn't help that Sins of the Wreckers made his TM form his main mode but still gave him a fully organic beast mode.

Knockout: this one really bothers me. Prime Arcee ended up working as a Prime figure mostly, and is a pretty nice figure. Bulkhead is not the Prime character to me, the head and wrecking ball are about the only things that work for me as that character. Knockout falls into the Bulkhead status. He needed a new mold. He is too bulky/square, and the head sculpt is a disappointment. He's the wrong shape for Knockout, and simplifies some of his most distinct features. for me, Knockout is another victim of G1-ification, and it sucks to see him done dirty this way.

Jhiaxus: I enjoy this one a good bit. He feels too skinny though. he seems off somehow. That headsculpt is utterly wonderful though.

Soundwave: don't care.

Blitzwing: he ugly.

Motormaster: this one wiped out the goodwill I had towards the Stunticons after seeing Wildrider. I just don't like him that much. Too much cartoon, which is OK, I'm not the audience for him.

Now, as for wave 1 figures, I got Arcee, Ignuanus, and Bulkhead.

I got Arcee first. She is actually quite adorable and fun. The aesthetic changes hinder her as a Prime figure, but her design is pretty good. Transformation is really good, they nailed that. I wish I could give her her wings without having to put the wheels on her back too, but it's necessary since I will not use those wheels as a gun. Overall, very nice, I like her.

Iguanus is as good as I could have hoped. He's so posable too! I love this lizard man, they understood the assignment and they killed it. I look forward to more Pretenders like this.

Bulkhead isn't too bad. He is not the Prime guy to me, it just doesn't work. But I'm thinking he can be my Wrecker Bulkhead, giving him a spot to go. I think a lot of my issues with the guy would be resolved if he wasn't explicitly called "Prime universe Bulkhead." He seems like a good figure. joints are pretty stiff too, so he can hold those poses really well. Hoping we can maybe get Pyro from him. That's a Wrecker I need.

Sabrblade wrote:Otherwise known as Beast Wars Skywasp.

This conflicts with my headcanon of Kingdom Skywarp being the G1 guy who switched sides

primalxconvoy wrote:

Elita 1.jpg

That's not Elita's real cartoon model. It's a fanmade one.

This is (a preliminary version of) her real one:

Autobot N wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Otherwise known as Beast Wars Skywasp.

This conflicts with my headcanon of Kingdom Skywarp being the G1 guy who switched sides

Why? Skywasp isn't G1 Skywarp. He's a Predacon analogue, like what BW Megatron and BWII Starscream are to G1 Megatron and Starscream.

Sabrblade wrote:

Autobot N wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Otherwise known as Beast Wars Skywasp.

This conflicts with my headcanon of Kingdom Skywarp being the G1 guy who switched sides

Why? Skywasp isn't G1 Skywarp. He's a Predacon analogue, like what BW Megatron and BWII Starscream are to G1 Megatron and Starscream.

It kinda seemed like they were the same guy since he has the same prankster personality trait as the original

william-james88 wrote:

Emerje wrote:Jhiaxus retooled into Armada Thrust, I can actually see that, but would they make a Voyager Thrust?

Emerje

Thrust is usually a voyager, as are seekers, these days. Him not being a voyager would be more odd for me.

Armada Thrust, not G1. He's only had two previous figures, both Deluxe.

Sowndwave76 wrote:Thanks to Will and whoever else helped news Target's preorder link for Motormaster...
I still can't believe how horrible their website is... What a joke.

Will had nothing to do with it...

blackeyedprime wrote:well, I think we can all look at Tr Galvatron and say his head could have been worse hahahah (even if its still better figure than the recent one)

https://www.kapowtoys.co.uk/product/act ... KhY3xwev58

There's plenty of people that would have been happy with that head since it's seemingly based on some of the Japanese art that greatly exaggerates his crown.

Tuned Agent wrote:...That being said, are we sure this mold was made to be Minerva first and foremost? The alt mode and robot details are nothing like Minerva's, and if the recent Wreckers comic is anything to go by, only the head is getting retooled. It looks to me more like Elita 1 was the one this mold was designed for, and Minerva is just the headswap retool, with the shoulder pylons being designed in to make the mold more versatile.

Can't really think of why they would do the shoulder thing in the first place if not for Minerva. It's not like it has anything to do with Elita's design. Even Mark on the live stream seemed to prefer them folded away despite being unfolded in all of the stock photos. Granted they'd have to swap out most of the torso and maybe the lower legs and there's still no guarantee she'll be a Headmaster, but at the same time we're getting used to exclusives with heavy retooling so it's possible.

Sabrblade wrote:Otherwise known as Beast Wars Skywasp.

Otherwise known as a poor consolation prize for never getting that cool Transmetal repaint. Do the right thing, Hasbro, give us this as a Walmart exclusive!



Emerje

Emerje wrote:

Sowndwave76 wrote:Thanks to Will and whoever else helped news Target's preorder link for Motormaster...
I still can't believe how horrible their website is... What a joke.

Will had nothing to do with it...

Well thanks very much to you then!!

I may be crazy, but between that promotional discount, a couple giftcards, and the 'ol Redcard, I went back and preordered TWO... Both for just over $115.

I figure there's time to cancel if I that's what I decide. And even if they both get delivered and I change my mind after that, returning one would be easy enough.

Emerje wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Emerje wrote:Jhiaxus retooled into Armada Thrust, I can actually see that, but would they make a Voyager Thrust?

Emerje

Thrust is usually a voyager, as are seekers, these days. Him not being a voyager would be more odd for me.

Armada Thrust, not G1. He's only had two previous figures, both Deluxe.

I'm well aware, but I still think non combining planes are voyagers at a minimum now. Plus, in that grand galvatron set, those deluxe figures were deluxe sized versions of voyager characters (like Starscream and Breakdown). Basically, I would be very surprised if Armada Thrust is released as a deluxe if ever they choose to incorporate him in this unified Transformers universe toyline.

Tuned Agent wrote:...That being said, are we sure this mold was made to be Minerva first and foremost?

Yes, because the robot mode functionalities match up more to her than Elita. They even straight up give us Minerva's gun (see below). Not an homage or something that can work both ways, they literally made a mold of Minerva's G1 rifle and that is the gun that comes with Elita 1.

Here is a digibash showing how this mold works as Minerva.



Hasbro is trying to be toon accurate now, more than ever. So it makes absolutely no sense that they wouldn't give Elita her actual cybertronian alt mode unless this tooling was made to give to a character that has an earth mode.

Autobot N wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Autobot N wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Otherwise known as Beast Wars Skywasp.

This conflicts with my headcanon of Kingdom Skywarp being the G1 guy who switched sides

Why? Skywasp isn't G1 Skywarp. He's a Predacon analogue, like what BW Megatron and BWII Starscream are to G1 Megatron and Starscream.

It kinda seemed like they were the same guy since he has the same prankster personality trait as the original

Well, BW Starscream is a self-serving schemer and backstabber. BW Megatron is a tyrannical conqueror with ambitions of ruling Cybertron. BW Optimus is a brave defender of justice and freedom. Some things are just constant with certain names or name homages.

And, to be frank, Skywasp's bio was written just to make Skywarp fanboy Randy "Powered Convoy" Para happy about another Skywarp-esque character existing.

I love it all! I know nothing about Jhiaxus beyond what I've read on the Wiki but for some reason I LOVE his guns! Elita-1 looks great, SG Magnus is very cool, Tarantulas looks spot-on...honestly, all of these guys and gals look terrific!

As I've never been a Stunticons guy I have to call out Motormaster: he looks awesome and I'm super intrigued by the new combiner format as well as his battle station. I'm very excited to see Menasor in full as well as the other combiners (waiting on Superion and Blades, because plane guy).

Knock Out. He was my favourite character of Prime and I absolutely loved his toy I easily transformed him the most out of all my many figures from that line. I regret selling it and now even more so. I really like this new version, but the fact he's not an obvious Aston Martin is disappointing - as is the fact his face isn't moulded with a smirk!!! How?! All that said, I want him!

I'm really enjoying Legacy. More power to the design team and bring on more cool new stuff!

I've said a lot of negative things about Legacy Menasor, particularly since seeing that Drag Strip split. And I don't know that I'd call the "skeleton" thing "real G1 look" since it was only ever a frequent animation error (probably caused by the simplification and the Stunticons' gray undercarriages, now that I think about it). But finally getting the actual damn pics has turned me around at least on Motormaster.

Because not only is Motormaster not left out in the cold while the combiner torso is purely made from his trailer (which is what I feared would happen), he can indeed still use CW limb connections if one chooses. The legs are obvious, and seeing this photo:


In relation to this one:


Seems to prove that the arm "bones" use them as well.

So hey, I'm actually interested in this Motormaster after all; I can get a Menasor I like out of him. Yaaaay! I'm also going to get Drag Strip (and eventually kitbash him to use a CW joint, most likely). That will have the added benefit of letting me convert my current CW Drag Strip back to Mirage (pain though that's going to be, between someone at Takara seeming to have it in for customizers and the fact that I'll have to re-Mirageify (or else replace) the head), bringing my "Masquerade" set to 3 out of 5.

william-james88 wrote:Hasbro is trying to be toon accurate now, more than ever. So it makes absolutely no sense that they wouldn't give Elita her actual cybertronian alt mode unless this tooling was made to give to a character that has an earth mode.

Although funnily enough, this mold blows toon accuracy on the Minerva end too, since it's influenced by the IDW design (which itself my have been influenced by either Fans Hobby or Animated) which has completely different arms compared to the G1 toy and cartoon, and a different chest.

Sabrblade wrote:

primalxconvoy wrote:

Elita 1.jpg

That's not Elita's real cartoon model. It's a fanmade one.

This is (a preliminary version of) her real one:

For my money, the fanmade model is in fact much closer to that prefinal than it is to the Legacy toy. The person doing the comparison is using a photo of Legacy Elita that severely foreshortens the car mode's Armada Hot Shot-esque aft (and is underestimating the more straight edge of the front bumper).


Although the Legacy toy is certainly trying to evoke Elita's cartoon altmode more than past outings have, given the head poking up (probably where Minerva's lightbar will be) and having details based on her cartoon chest on the hood.

Tuned Agent wrote:...That being said, are we sure this mold was made to be Minerva first and foremost? The alt mode and robot details are nothing like Minerva's, and if the recent Wreckers comic is anything to go by, only the head is getting retooled.

For the benefit of those who haven't seen the comic, the robot mode details are a dead-on match for her appearance there (though I don't think they look much like Elita One's or Minerva's cartoon models).

o.supreme wrote:It seems recently that when a toy is an All new mold, Hasbro makes sure to let us know. If it is a recolor or retool, they of course try to spin it in the best way possible. I get it, not judging.

However...it appears Tarantulas has some shared engineering, perhaps even the arachnid legs with Kingdom Scorponok, or am I just imagining? I don't seem to remember the presenter firmly stating one way or another if it was all new, or not.

I think you are either imagining or mixing up characters. Tarantulas appears to be a new mold and has nothing to do with Scorponok other than having a similar looking feet in bot mode. Scorponok's transformation is all wrong to work for sharing anything with Tarantulas.

If he shares anything with another figure it will be engineering/transformation with Black Arachnia since their bot parts end up in pretty much the same places in the spider modes. Bot arms and legs tuck in and form the side of the spider body and the backpack becomes the spider shell. Spider legs are attached to the bot mode arms in a similar way as well. The biggest difference is BA's bot arms end up at the back of the spider and Tarantula's end up front and center.

I thought for a quick minute that he might re-use BA's weapon, but even that is new (but very similar to BA's).

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

o.supreme wrote:It seems recently that when a toy is an All new mold, Hasbro makes sure to let us know. If it is a recolor or retool, they of course try to spin it in the best way possible. I get it, not judging.

However...it appears Tarantulas has some shared engineering, perhaps even the arachnid legs with Kingdom Scorponok, or am I just imagining? I don't seem to remember the presenter firmly stating one way or another if it was all new, or not.

I think you are either imagining or mixing up characters. Tarantulas appears to be a new mold and has nothing to do with Scorponok other than having a similar looking feet in bot mode. Scorponok's transformation is all wrong to work for sharing anything with Tarantulas.

If he shares anything with another figure it will be engineering/transformation with Black Arachnia since their bot parts end up in pretty much the same places in the spider modes. Bot arms and legs tuck in and form the side of the spider body and the backpack becomes the spider shell. Spider legs are attached to the bot mode arms in a similar way as well. The biggest difference is BA's bot arms end up at the back of the spider and Tarantula's end up front and center.

I thought for a quick minute that he might re-use BA's weapon, but even that is new (but very similar to BA's).

As with the G1 characters, the Beast Wars characters have a lot of simple straight redeco options, which I think plays a big part in them being new molds (then again, Terrorsaur has a ton of repaint options and he's a retool ... AAARRGHHHH!!!! Dammit, why is the only retool in the main cast one of my favourite characters, he really deserved his own brand new mold and something innovative)

Omegatron. wrote:

Tuned Agent wrote:...That being said, are we sure this mold was made to be Minerva first and foremost? The alt mode and robot details are nothing like Minerva's, and if the recent Wreckers comic is anything to go by, only the head is getting retooled.

For the benefit of those who haven't seen the comic, the robot mode details are a dead-on match for her appearance there (though I don't think they look much like Elita One's or Minerva's cartoon models).

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While yes, the mold is definitely what we see in the comics for Minerva, toys are made 2 year in advance while a comic is drawn just a few months in advance. As with Knockout, the liklier scenario as to what happened is Hasbro gave the comic people the look the eventual Minerva would have and that's what was used in the comic. So the comic book element on it's own does not add to the evidence of this Elita mold being made for Minerva primarily, jut like Knout Out's look in the comic does not mean that Knockout was conceived before Jazz. I think it's just Hasbro being forward thinking and always thinking of multiple uses at the design stage.
But regardless, in the end, when all will be said and done, stating that this mold is primarily for Elita and that it's the first time she has her own mold just for her will still be innacurate.

And while I think she looks like a great transformers toy, I won't be getting rid of my Netflix Elita since I actually think it looks more like the Elita I know in bot mode.

william-james88 wrote:As with the G1 characters, the Beast Wars characters have a lot of simple straight redeco options, which I think plays a big part in them being new molds

Actually I saw it as Hasbro kind of biting a bullet in that repaints/remolds of BW characters are much more limited than OG characters (not saying its good or bad, just an observation). I think they have done well with what they had, with some exceptions. I mean they could have done straight repaints of Tigatron from Cheetor, and a slight retool of BA into Tarantulas, but by creating new molds they've kind of limited themselves.

There's really no way to reuse Optimus Primal (I think we can all agree Netflix Primal (barely any color change), and Buzzworthy "Nemesis Primal" were pointless cash grabs).

Not much you can do with Rhinox (except maybe the Predacon Rhinox from one episode). Toy color "repaints" to me are also pretty lame as well.

I think most of the versatility of BW characters is more fabricated based on toy vs animation deco, also Botcon and other past exclusives, which were made originally, because some of the molds had no secondary use, so of course they ae going to do it again.

I mean a Selects or retailer exclusive Antagony from BW Inferno is pretty much a given. Same for Cryotek from TM2 Megatron.

I think Hasbro takes into account however, If they can use the WFC Seeker molds, or WFC Megatron like 10 times, it compensates for the cost of one time uses such as Siege Astrotrain, ER Doubledealer, and most likely Kingdom Rhinox, as well as commanders such as Skylynx or RP, although with SG Jetfire, I guess nothing is off the table.

o.supreme wrote:There's really no way to reuse Optimus Primal

Universe/SG Optimus, Burning Convoy, RobotMasters Black Beast Convoy, BotCon 2014 Apelinq, BotCon 2014 Primal Prime (both of which used the 10th Anniversary Deluxe mold that shared design elements with Primal's season 1 body).

o.supreme wrote:Not much you can do with Rhinox (except maybe the Predacon Rhinox from one episode). Toy color "repaints" to me are also pretty lame as well.

Fox Kids "Energon Surge" Rhinox, McDonalds Rhino, Rally's/SG Rhinox

And now that we have seen all the Cheetor repaints possible, making him Tigatron would have seemed pretty darn excessive.

Also, as Sabre pointed out, there is a lot you can do with Primal. The Netflix version didn't have much different because it wasn't meant for fans to double dip. As with Netlix Prime, Primal was there to ensure that the main good guy character was on shelves since the regaular release might have been long gone since it was wave 1 (that's my thinking, since he cam with wave 1 rattrap)

william-james88 wrote:And now that we have seen all the Cheetor repaints possible,

There's still Fox Kids and SG Cheetor they could do.

And a fan made a custom pre-Transmetal version of Cataclysm from the Kingdom Cheetor mold that looks pretty sweet.

o.supreme wrote:

william-james88 wrote:As with the G1 characters, the Beast Wars characters have a lot of simple straight redeco options, which I think plays a big part in them being new molds

Actually I saw it as Hasbro kind of biting a bullet in that repaints/remolds of BW characters are much more limited than OG characters (not saying its good or bad, just an observation). I think they have done well with what they had, with some exceptions. I mean they could have done straight repaints of Tigatron from Cheetor, and a slight retool of BA into Tarantulas, but by creating new molds they've kind of limited themselves.

There's really no way to reuse Optimus Primal (I think we can all agree Netflix Primal (barely any color change), and Buzzworthy "Nemesis Primal" were pointless cash grabs).

Not much you can do with Rhinox (except maybe the Predacon Rhinox from one episode). Toy color "repaints" to me are also pretty lame as well.

I think most of the versatility of BW characters is more fabricated based on toy vs animation deco, also Botcon and other past exclusives, which were made originally, because some of the molds had no secondary use, so of course they ae going to do it again.

I mean a Selects or retailer exclusive Antagony from BW Inferno is pretty much a given. Same for Cryotek from TM2 Megatron.

I think Hasbro takes into account however, If they can use the WFC Seeker molds, or WFC Megatron like 10 times, it compensates for the cost of one time uses such as Siege Astrotrain, ER Doubledealer, and most likely Kingdom Rhinox, as well as commanders such as Skylynx or RP, although with SG Jetfire, I guess nothing is off the table.

They do have a couple repaints available for Rhinox. Tarantulas not so much unless they decide to go for Transmetal colors, given his weapon, I would not put it past them.

Primal has a few options still left untapped. Such as the Universe purple, Burning Convoy red, and skeleton type translucent.

I bet will see the main cast get the Premium Finish treatment from Takara eventually a la "Telemocha".

The only one of any of those suggestions that seems like a decent reuse is Burning Convoy. I guess I should have prefaced my statement with "logical" or reasonable reuses, not pointless cash grabs.

o.supreme wrote:The only one of any of those suggestions that seems like a decent reuse is Burning Convoy. I guess I should have prefaced my statement with "logical" or reasonable reuses, not pointless cash grabs.

I'll grant you that skeletal type translucent is not really likely, at least not from Hasbro. But I can totally see them making a purple Universe version.

I mean how are any repaints not a cash grab? BWB Toy colors Terrorsaur anyone?

Outside of Waspinator that has seen a ton of repaints through the years, in and out of Botcon, not many others were repainted beyond their original colors and Fox Kids repaints.

Would a gray and red Rhinox be a cash grab? It would go well with the Skywarp / Silverbolt retool of Airrazor and the we'd only be missing Prowl to complete a non-combining Magnaboss. Another retool of Cheetor or maybe Tigatron for extra swag points would not be out of the question.

In a sense, all redecos of all kinds can be seen as cash grabs. The original Skywarp deco didn't exist back in Diaclone, so 1980s Hasbro just made it up just so they could sell yet one more version of the jet mold.

For me the difference is when a repaint is/becomes a completely different character.
Sure, Starscream, Thundercracker, and Skywarp could be called triplets (at least in appearance, maybe not creation), but that's completely different than say the Nightwatch version of '07 movie OP.

More on topic, Elita's bot mode appearance has grown on me. She's still probably a pass, but I could see Minerva being on my 'maybe' list.

Relatively speaking, I'm still a little bummed about Legacy Soundwave...
Not sure how difficult it was to get the Siege version, but come on, it's so clear that more people wanted the NF version mold for this new release.
I was honestly hoping they would have gotten rid of the stupid forearm kibble as well.
And even if he didn't come packaged with any cassettes, I was ready to shell-out another $34 for this figure.

Sowndwave76 wrote:Relatively speaking, I'm still a little bummed about Legacy Soundwave...
Not sure how difficult it was to get the Siege version, but come on, it's so clear that more people wanted the NF version mold for this new release.
I was honestly hoping they would have gotten rid of the stupid forearm kibble as well.
And even if he didn't come packaged with any cassettes, I was ready to shell-out another $34 for this figure.

At this point, I really think (and I don't believe I'm alone in this thought) that there's some sort of deal they made with Walmart and/or Netflix (and/or Volkswagen with Bee specifically) that is preventing them from rereleasing Netflix SW & Bee. The Worlds Collide 4-pack using the Cliff tooling for it's Bee kind of seemed justifiable at the time by the fact that some stores still potentially had Netflix Bee, and Hasbro wouldn't want to pit it's retailers carrying exclusives against each other in that way and risk angering them & losing business, but with the added data point of this Soundwave repack it really feels kinda fishy.

Retooling to remove arm kibble was never going to be in the cards though, changing the mold makes it no longer a repack and this SW was listed as a repack from the start.

o.supreme wrote:Buzzworthy "Nemesis Primal" [was a] pointless cash grab

HOW DARE YOU.

(I never actually got him anyway, never even saw the 4-pack)

Sabrblade wrote:In a sense, all redecos of all kinds can be seen as cash grabs. The original Skywarp deco didn't exist back in Diaclone, so 1980s Hasbro just made it up just so they could sell yet one more version of the jet mold.

And fans have been paying the price in various forms ever since...literally and figuratively.


Day 3 of waiting for Transformers Prime masterpiece news.

Sowndwave76 wrote:For me the difference is when a repaint is/becomes a completely different character.
Sure, Starscream, Thundercracker, and Skywarp could be called triplets (at least in appearance, maybe not creation), but that's completely different than say the Nightwatch version of '07 movie OP.

You mean tripjets right? Amirite?
...
I'll get my coat...

ZeroWolf wrote:

Sowndwave76 wrote:For me the difference is when a repaint is/becomes a completely different character.
Sure, Starscream, Thundercracker, and Skywarp could be called triplets (at least in appearance, maybe not creation), but that's completely different than say the Nightwatch version of '07 movie OP.

You mean tripjets right? Amirite?
...
I'll get my coat...

Never do that again. For the love of GOD, never do that again.


Day 3 of waiting for Transformers Prime masterpiece news.

ZeroWolf wrote:

Sowndwave76 wrote:For me the difference is when a repaint is/becomes a completely different character.
Sure, Starscream, Thundercracker, and Skywarp could be called triplets (at least in appearance, maybe not creation), but that's completely different than say the Nightwatch version of '07 movie OP.

You mean tripjets right? Amirite?
...
I'll get my coat...

I love it. Bravo!

First-Aid wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

Sowndwave76 wrote:For me the difference is when a repaint is/becomes a completely different character.
Sure, Starscream, Thundercracker, and Skywarp could be called triplets (at least in appearance, maybe not creation), but that's completely different than say the Nightwatch version of '07 movie OP.

You mean tripjets right? Amirite?
...
I'll get my coat...

Never do that again. For the love of GOD, never do that again.


Day 3 of waiting for Transformers Prime masterpiece news.

I regret nothing!

Anyway, the repaint issue has got me thinking on what a deco has to do to become its own thing and not a cash grab (interesting though that it's only been said about BW toys and not the endless cycle of G1 toys). All the BW redecos got tie in fiction somewhere didn't they?

o.supreme wrote:

william-james88 wrote:As with the G1 characters, the Beast Wars characters have a lot of simple straight redeco options, which I think plays a big part in them being new molds

Actually I saw it as Hasbro kind of biting a bullet in that repaints/remolds of BW characters are much more limited than OG characters (not saying its good or bad, just an observation). I think they have done well with what they had, with some exceptions. I mean they could have done straight repaints of Tigatron from Cheetor, and a slight retool of BA into Tarantulas, but by creating new molds they've kind of limited themselves.

There's really no way to reuse Optimus Primal (I think we can all agree Netflix Primal (barely any color change), and Buzzworthy "Nemesis Primal" were pointless cash grabs).

Not much you can do with Rhinox (except maybe the Predacon Rhinox from one episode). Toy color "repaints" to me are also pretty lame as well.

I think most of the versatility of BW characters is more fabricated based on toy vs animation deco, also Botcon and other past exclusives, which were made originally, because some of the molds had no secondary use, so of course they ae going to do it again.

I mean a Selects or retailer exclusive Antagony from BW Inferno is pretty much a given. Same for Cryotek from TM2 Megatron.

I think Hasbro takes into account however, If they can use the WFC Seeker molds, or WFC Megatron like 10 times, it compensates for the cost of one time uses such as Siege Astrotrain, ER Doubledealer, and most likely Kingdom Rhinox, as well as commanders such as Skylynx or RP, although with SG Jetfire, I guess nothing is off the table.

It might take some further retooling or reshelling but I'll add quite a few ideas to the redecos that you and others mentioned.

B'Boom from Primal. A mandrill is close enough to a gorilla. Faux mandrill head for the chest plate and maybe some flip out missile racks for the sides. Prime jet guns can be B'Boom's shoulder guns or his missiles when in his backpack. Guns instead of swords. It's workable. They could take it all further and redo the arms and legs to be thinner/longer to make B'Boom taller than Primal. Maybe even give him those weird shoulder pauldron things that his BW toys gets from his kibble too.

Polar Claw from Rhinox. It sucks Polar Claw got cut from Kingdom but Rhinox could serve as a base for a reshell. Give him the Batscout and a chain claw weapon or something instead of Rhinox's Chainguns of Doom. If they want to take it further then Rhinox's shoulder system does allow for the front legs to go to the back so they can become the over the shoulder weapons from the original toy. They could then add new robot arms to that same hinge system that work and transform the same as the original Polar Claw toy.

Torca from Rhinox.

Bonecrusher from Rhinox.

Ironhide from Rhinox?

Transquito from Inferno. Most insects have similar shapes already. Insect head becomes chest as normal but make the abdomen become the legs instead of whatever they're going to do with Legacy Inferno. It's difficult to tell what Hasbro is going to do for Legacy Inferno so I'm just going to assume they're going with the original toy's transformation scheme for the rest of this speculation. To take it further they could make the robot arms form part of the mosquito's chest area instead of being insect legs. It can even keep the triple changing feature. That back cavity will be filled by the mosquito head for antlion mode and the antlion head while in mosquito and robot modes. Split the abdomen like the original toy and then flip around the antlion head that came from the back of the mosquito and transform the wings into pinchers. The insect legs will be attached to the robot arms that become part of the chest of the insect like the original instead of the insect legs being formed by the robot arms, legs and the pair of kibble legs as with the original toy Inferno.

Convobat and Nyx from Airazor/Terrorsaur. This one's pretty self explanatory. The original Convobat wasn't all that different from the original Terrorsaur.

Sonar from Convobat. I don't see why not as the beast mode parts end up the same places in robot mode anyway. Just add the small arms to the retooled Transmetal 2 bat wings.

Noctorro from Airazor/Convobat/Sonar. Again, parts end up the same places and he's part bat like Convobat and Sonar.

Airhammer from Airazor/Terrorsaur. Have the shark jaw and tail come off to become arm gauntlet weapons. The shark head could either become the chest like Airazor or be sent to the back like Terrorsaur.

Manta Ray from Airazor.

Insecticon from Tarantulas. The only real difference would be the pinchers becoming the lower arms for Insecticon but oh well. They both even have crossbow style weapons.

Beetle from Insecticon.

Powerpinch from Tarantulas. Instead of the two weapons from Tarantulas they could be worked into the rear pincher/weapon.

Drillbit form Tarantulas.

Snarl from Rattrap. Parts go similar places in robot mode. Similarly shaped beast modes at least from the original toys anyway.

Razorbeast form Rattrap.

Armordillo from Rattrap.

Snapper from Rattrap.

Spittor from Rattrap.

Panther from Cheetor. Too similar to Shadow Panther maybe?

Sea Clamp from Scorponok.

Razorclaw from Scorponok??? I can kinda see it if they take the entire scorpion tail and use that plastic to make the back larger for the crab shell. Take away a pair of beast mode legs. Make the beast mode pinchers smaller and asymmetrical.

Cicadacon from Waspinator?

Injector from...no, no. We better not go there again.

Sky Shadow from Jetstorm.

Jetstorm from??? That's as far as I got. Maybe from Inferno/Transquito? There's not much there other than them all being insects that can fly. Inferno's beast mode doesn't have wings but if it were a male ant or a queen alate it would.

Buzzclaw from Manterror.

Scourge from Manterror.

Manterror from???

K-9 and Wolfang from either Cheetor or Tigatron or one from each. This is quite a bit of a stretch and is more just making characters from existing molds regardless of any accuracy at all. Which would open a whole other can of worms as there's still a bunch of BW characters I didn't mention due to them not being anything close to any existing mold.

I left out Ram Horn and Prowl as nothing really lines up with them either. Ironhide and Cicadacon are stretches from Rhinox and Waspinator as it is. I don't know though, make them from Tarantulas and Cheetor just to finish both now non-combiner teams? Again though, it's a bigger can of worms to open just doing things for the sake of doing them.

I've seen worse mold reuses than these so it's not too outlandish. Warpath from Megatron, they're both tanks right? How about Huffer and Pipes from Optimus, they're all cab over engine trucks right? But if they do a decent amount of reshelling then most of these could work fairly easily like Knockout form Jazz. The rest would need more work to accomplish like all the TR Twinferno retools but there's at least a similar enough base to start with. Seriously though, who thought Twinferno could be used for all of them. You can even still get a decent enough Squeezeplay and Horri-Bull out of that mold too without much effort.

Sabrblade wrote:

Razorbeast88 wrote:I wouldve loved an animated blitzwing done right
They could've even given different colored blast effects to mimic the fire and ice thing

There's always the red and blue ones that came with the Tricranius set.

And, are blast effects even a thing anymore in Legacy?

For me, Blast Effects were over when my cat would knock them off the blasters and hide them. Lost a whole day looking for a Siege Targetmaster and effect. That was around the same time people were reporting the effects were melting onto the guns and limbs of the figures due to the plastic used.

Nemesis Primal wrote:

Sowndwave76 wrote:Relatively speaking, I'm still a little bummed about Legacy Soundwave...
Not sure how difficult it was to get the Siege version, but come on, it's so clear that more people wanted the NF version mold for this new release.
I was honestly hoping they would have gotten rid of the stupid forearm kibble as well.
And even if he didn't come packaged with any cassettes, I was ready to shell-out another $34 for this figure.

At this point, I really think (and I don't believe I'm alone in this thought) that there's some sort of deal they made with Walmart and/or Netflix (and/or Volkswagen with Bee specifically) that is preventing them from rereleasing Netflix SW & Bee. The Worlds Collide 4-pack using the Cliff tooling for it's Bee kind of seemed justifiable at the time by the fact that some stores still potentially had Netflix Bee, and Hasbro wouldn't want to pit it's retailers carrying exclusives against each other in that way and risk angering them & losing business, but with the added data point of this Soundwave repack it really feels kinda fishy.

Retooling to remove arm kibble was never going to be in the cards though, changing the mold makes it no longer a repack and this SW was listed as a repack from the start.

o.supreme wrote:Buzzworthy "Nemesis Primal" [was a] pointless cash grab

HOW DARE YOU.

(I never actually got him anyway, never even saw the 4-pack)

Honestly, the next time we get a tape deck Soundwave, I hope it's a new mold in general. The Netflix one is fine, but the arm kibble isn't the only case of vestigial elements from the original Siege mold. That said, with the new Blaster and their persistent reuse of Siege Optimus's legs, I don't know what we can expect.

I think it's mostly coincidence that the two most coveted WfC figures remain inaccessible rather than a Netflix or Walmart contractual or licensing issue. For Bee I would bet money it's about Volkswagen, for Soundwave I'm guessing it's just a matter of time. Retailer exclusives generally aren't new molds, so there's not a lot of precedent for a restriction on that kind of thing. But who knows?

chuckdawg1999 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Razorbeast88 wrote:I wouldve loved an animated blitzwing done right
They could've even given different colored blast effects to mimic the fire and ice thing

There's always the red and blue ones that came with the Tricranius set.

And, are blast effects even a thing anymore in Legacy?

For me, Blast Effects were over when my cat would knock them off the blasters and hide them. Lost a whole day looking for a Siege Targetmaster and effect. That was around the same time people were reporting the effects were melting onto the guns and limbs of the figures due to the plastic used.

I sidestep that whole issue by NOT having a cat...

I haven't noticed any of the fireblast accessories melting. Sometimes they stick a little. And if you plug them into a port or peg that has paint applied, that will sometimes rub off onto the fireblast itself. And they invariably come out of the package a little bit warped and droopy looking. This necessitates using a heat gun or something to soften them up and straighten them out.

Adding to the list of possible repaints for BW figures: Prototype/Box art colors Tarantulas. Would love an Energon Surge Rhinox.

Wasn't there a diaclone recolor of the Jumpstarters back in the day?

o.supreme wrote:The only one of any of those suggestions that seems like a decent reuse is Burning Convoy. I guess I should have prefaced my statement with "logical" or reasonable reuses, not pointless cash grabs.

All redecoes are cashgrabs. Plus we are adults choosing to spend money on mass market toys rather than investing it for our kids or our retirement or donating it to people who need it more than us creating a greater net positive impact from our lives. There is no logic here, aside of course from the logic of Hasbro wanting to make money and fans willing to give it to them.

Grahf_ wrote:
Ironhide from Rhinox?

Wohoho, I totally see it. And plus, it could finally give us a BW Ironhide with a decent robot mode.

Nemesis Primal wrote:Retooling to remove arm kibble was never going to be in the cards though, changing the mold makes it no longer a repack and this SW was listed as a repack from the start.

Not only that but it was listed as a repack of S Soundwave from the start. Occam's razor strikes again.
I too would have loved if they removed the arm kibble, but this is the same company that is reusing defunct leg molds for 2 new leader class Optimus prime releases in a row. It really feels like Hasbro is penny pinching on that one.

Also to Nemesis Primal, I agree that with this whole talk of licencig latlry and us not having the big picture, it could be that there are agreements with toy exclusivity. But they are not the same for all retailers. For instance, Amazon got an exclusive retool (terrorsaur) and now Target gets it too. However we have that netflix walmart which can't be reissued. Or maybe Hasbro doesn't want to reissue it because it would be a BS move for those who had to pay extra to buy a box set for him since he wasn't sold as an individual voyager. Lots of variables, and we know so little.

Sabrblade wrote:Otherwise known as Beast Wars Skywasp.

Another horrorcon release, huzzah. now we just need... actually, I'm at a loss, I have no idea how they could do leatherhide unless they scrap the gator mode and do a straight mindwipe retool.

Nemesis Primal wrote:

o.supreme wrote:Buzzworthy "Nemesis Primal" [was a] pointless cash grab

HOW DARE YOU.

(I never actually got him anyway, never even saw the 4-pack)

Nothing personal Bro, I'm sure you are awesome, just never saw the point of that toy. Anyway...I had the chance to get the 4 pack even on a discount and passed. Fangry loooked cool, but it wasn't enough to justify the rest.

chuckdawg1999 wrote:For me, Blast Effects were over when my cat would knock them off the blasters and hide them. Lost a whole day looking for a Siege Targetmaster and effect. That was around the same time people were reporting the effects were melting onto the guns and limbs of the figures due to the plastic used.

Cats are fun . Immediately when getting a new toy with Blast effects the smaller ones all just go straight into a plastic bag. The good news is I haven't lost any, the bad news is I have no idea who's is who's.

The only exceptions being the larger ones. Omega Supreme, stores not only his, but also Scorponoks, And Sky Lynx all in his legs. CC Jetfire and Rodimus are the only ones actually displayed with their effects.



As for Menasor, I wonder if there are a way to turn the legs around? I'll admit in the animated series, having the cars on the back never bothered me, but in toy form, if you cant see the cars, it seems kind of pointless. I just hope if they can be rotated, they can look something closer to the toy commercial animation design

o.supreme wrote:As for Menasor, I wonder if there are a way to turn the legs around? I'll admit in the animated series, having the cars on the back never bothered me, but in toy form, if you cant see the cars, it seems kind of pointless. I just hope if they can be rotated, they can look something closer to the toy commercial animation design

Technically he can, it'd just remove the use of his knees (unless you want a forward bend at the knee)

Sentinel_Primal wrote:

o.supreme wrote:As for Menasor, I wonder if there are a way to turn the legs around? I'll admit in the animated series, having the cars on the back never bothered me, but in toy form, if you cant see the cars, it seems kind of pointless. I just hope if they can be rotated, they can look something closer to the toy commercial animation design

Technically he can, it'd just remove the use of his knees (unless you want a forward bend at the knee)

Chicken leg menasor.

Autobot N wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Otherwise known as Beast Wars Skywasp.

This conflicts with my headcanon of Kingdom Skywarp being the G1 guy who switched sides

Well, it could be a different character, possibly one that was based upon the original G1 Skywarp. Perhaps THIS Predacon became THIS Vehicon?

- https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Mirage_(BM)

You can turn Menasor's legs around but they won't bend at the jnee. Can still make fir other nice poses though.

Pre-ordered Tarantulas. I am rolling my eyes so hard at the December place holder date. Please Amazon Wave 1 of Legacy is already hitting stores. Wave 2 I bet sometime in the summer

william-james88 wrote:You can turn Menasor's legs around but they won't bend at the knee. Can still make fir other nice poses though.

Honestly this is the thing that upsets me the most about him. I can accept him being a frame combiner since it will result in a better toy (stupid concept in fiction, though). But I hate that the limb bots have to be on the back of the legs for cartoon accuracy. And unfortunately Menasor is the worse offender out of all of the G1 combiners since his legs are just grey with cars on the back of them

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:And now that we have seen all the Cheetor repaints possible,

There's still Fox Kids and SG Cheetor they could do.

And a fan made a custom pre-Transmetal version of Cataclysm from the Kingdom Cheetor mold that looks pretty sweet.

Looks like some sort of version of Blackcat.

william-james88 wrote:You can turn Menasor's legs around but they won't bend at the jnee. Can still make fir other nice poses though.

Didn't stop people from turning the CW version's backwards for cartoon accuracy.

Emerje

Autobot N wrote:

william-james88 wrote:You can turn Menasor's legs around but they won't bend at the knee. Can still make fir other nice poses though.

Honestly this is the thing that upsets me the most about him. I can accept him being a frame combiner since it will result in a better toy (stupid concept in fiction, though). But I hate that the limb bots have to be on the back of the legs for cartoon accuracy. And unfortunately Menasor is the worse offender out of all of the G1 combiners since his legs are just grey with cars on the back of them

It's not 'cartoon accuracy' - it's toy accuracy.

sol magnus wrote:

Autobot N wrote:

william-james88 wrote:You can turn Menasor's legs around but they won't bend at the knee. Can still make fir other nice poses though.

Honestly this is the thing that upsets me the most about him. I can accept him being a frame combiner since it will result in a better toy (stupid concept in fiction, though). But I hate that the limb bots have to be on the back of the legs for cartoon accuracy. And unfortunately Menasor is the worse offender out of all of the G1 combiners since his legs are just grey with cars on the back of them

It's not 'cartoon accuracy' - it's toy accuracy.

How is it not cartoon accuracy?

william-james88 wrote:

sol magnus wrote:

Autobot N wrote:

william-james88 wrote:You can turn Menasor's legs around but they won't bend at the knee. Can still make fir other nice poses though.

Honestly this is the thing that upsets me the most about him. I can accept him being a frame combiner since it will result in a better toy (stupid concept in fiction, though). But I hate that the limb bots have to be on the back of the legs for cartoon accuracy. And unfortunately Menasor is the worse offender out of all of the G1 combiners since his legs are just grey with cars on the back of them

It's not 'cartoon accuracy' - it's toy accuracy.

How is it not cartoon accuracy?

Yeah, if Menasor were toy accurate he wouldn't be a frame