New Images Surface of MP-60 Ginrai and MPG-09 Super Ginrai
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Posted by -Kanrabat- on April 6th, 2024 @ 1:47am CDT
Naruhodo.
MPG-09 it will be.
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on April 6th, 2024 @ 2:12am CDT
Emerje wrote:chuckdawg1999 wrote:Nope. As I understand the the release from Takara MPG-09 is the complete Cab and Trailer. I kinda get the feeling that MP-60 can't combine with the trailer, but comes with stickers to make the trailer toy accurate.
MP-60 and the Ginrai portion of MPG-09 are literally the same figure with different decos. It would make no sense to modify MP-60 just to spite fans like that.
Emerje
Maybe it's an error of translation but in the Takara release they talk about the cabs being different and mention different articulation points.
Posted by Emerje on April 6th, 2024 @ 7:49am CDT
chuckdawg1999 wrote:Emerje wrote:chuckdawg1999 wrote:Nope. As I understand the the release from Takara MPG-09 is the complete Cab and Trailer. I kinda get the feeling that MP-60 can't combine with the trailer, but comes with stickers to make the trailer toy accurate.
MP-60 and the Ginrai portion of MPG-09 are literally the same figure with different decos. It would make no sense to modify MP-60 just to spite fans like that.
Emerje
Maybe it's an error of translation but in the Takara release they talk about the cabs being different and mention different articulation points.
Just comparing the two images the only thing I'm seeing different is the deco. The text on the image says (through Google Translate) "Specifications of Ginrai or different from MP-60 Ginrai" immediately after talking about applying stickers to the trailer to give it the toy look. I'm positive it's just saying the two figures have different decos.
Emerje
Posted by Immortal Starscream on April 6th, 2024 @ 9:50am CDT
Emerje wrote:chuckdawg1999 wrote:Emerje wrote:chuckdawg1999 wrote:Nope. As I understand the the release from Takara MPG-09 is the complete Cab and Trailer. I kinda get the feeling that MP-60 can't combine with the trailer, but comes with stickers to make the trailer toy accurate.
MP-60 and the Ginrai portion of MPG-09 are literally the same figure with different decos. It would make no sense to modify MP-60 just to spite fans like that.
Emerje
Maybe it's an error of translation but in the Takara release they talk about the cabs being different and mention different articulation points.
Just comparing the two images the only thing I'm seeing different is the deco. The text on the image says (through Google Translate) "Specifications of Ginrai or different from MP-60 Ginrai" immediately after talking about applying stickers to the trailer to give it the toy look. I'm positive it's just saying the two figures have different decos.
Emerje
You can see some of the deco differences. The mp-60 version has yellow under the knees, all silver legs and a fully white crotch piece. The mpg has no yellow on the knees, but does on the crotch, with blue upper thighs
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on April 6th, 2024 @ 9:56am CDT
-Kanrabat- wrote:Those store listings does not clarify anything.
It does, in as much as it states what each MP release is.
chuckdawg1999 wrote:Nope. As I understand the the release from Takara MPG-09 is the complete Cab and Trailer. I kinda get the feeling that MP-60 can't combine with the trailer, but comes with stickers to make the trailer toy accurate.
So what is the point of both? MP-60 on it's own is worthless with the trailer. If MPG-09 comes with the cab, then there is no reason to buy MP-60 at all.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on April 6th, 2024 @ 10:02am CDT
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:Those store listings does not clarify anything.
It does, in as much as it states what each MP release is.chuckdawg1999 wrote:Nope. As I understand the the release from Takara MPG-09 is the complete Cab and Trailer. I kinda get the feeling that MP-60 can't combine with the trailer, but comes with stickers to make the trailer toy accurate.
So what is the point of both? MP-60 on it's own is worthless with the trailer. If MPG-09 comes with the cab, then there is no reason to buy MP-60 at all.
You missed my next post when I said that the small window in a black frame that show everything include does clarify everything.
And indeed, for me, MP-60 is pointless, but lone cabs do sell well.
I wonder why the numbering is not reversed? The full package with the trailer would make more sense as MP-60 and the lone cab as MPG-09 instead of the other way around.
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on April 6th, 2024 @ 10:05am CDT
-Kanrabat- wrote:You missed my next post when I said that the small window in a black frame that show everything include does clarify everything.
And indeed, for me, MP-60 is pointless, but lone cabs do sell well.
I wonder why the numbering is not reversed? The full package with the trailer would make more sense as MP-60 and the lone cab as MPG-09 instead of the other way around.
I completely missed the next page in my reply
I just don't understand the logic of this release at all? If the cab and trailer are the two separate releases. While a really shady business practice (unsurprising from HasTak) it makes more sense than releasing an otherwise deluxe class Prime cab, twice.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on April 6th, 2024 @ 10:21am CDT
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:You missed my next post when I said that the small window in a black frame that show everything include does clarify everything.
And indeed, for me, MP-60 is pointless, but lone cabs do sell well.
I wonder why the numbering is not reversed? The full package with the trailer would make more sense as MP-60 and the lone cab as MPG-09 instead of the other way around.
I completely missed the next page in my reply
I just don't understand the logic of this release at all? If the cab and trailer are the two separate releases. While a really shady business practice (unsurprising from HasTak) it makes more sense than releasing an otherwise deluxe class Prime cab, twice.
The one with the trailer does come with everything, including the cab. The only difference is the lone one have the toy deco. It seems this one will come with stickers to turn the trailer that is in toon deco into toy deco.
So that mean that the toy deco enthusiasts would have to double-dip and be stuck with an extra cab in the end.
Posted by Emerje on April 6th, 2024 @ 11:10am CDT
Emerje
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on April 6th, 2024 @ 11:22am CDT
Armada->Energon->Cybertron->Animated
Posted by Sabrblade on April 6th, 2024 @ 11:31am CDT
Because the cab on its own doesn't combine with anything. It wouldn't make sense to put a non-combining figure in the MPG line when the G in MPG specifically denotes combination: "Gattai".-Kanrabat- wrote:I wonder why the numbering is not reversed? The full package with the trailer would make more sense as MP-60 and the lone cab as MPG-09 instead of the other way around.
There's still Star Convoy they could do.AllNewSuperRobot wrote:You mention Armada Prime, which is an interesting footnote to this release. Powermaster Prime/Ginrai is the Last G1 Optimus for the Masterpiece line (other than MP Orion Pax, which I highly doubt would be a thing). The next up would be Armada Prime (given Car Robots Prime is now a HasLab release).
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on April 6th, 2024 @ 11:34am CDT
Posted by -Kanrabat- on April 6th, 2024 @ 12:56pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:Because the cab on its own doesn't combine with anything. It wouldn't make sense to put a non-combining figure in the MPG line when the G in MPG specifically denotes combination: "Gattai".-Kanrabat- wrote:I wonder why the numbering is not reversed? The full package with the trailer would make more sense as MP-60 and the lone cab as MPG-09 instead of the other way around.
Goddamn.
That's stupid and awesome at the same time.
So that mean if they ever do combiners, they will be in the MPG line.
They already did.
Posted by kirbenvost on April 6th, 2024 @ 1:33pm CDT
Posted by -Kanrabat- on April 6th, 2024 @ 1:49pm CDT
kirbenvost wrote:Since Powermaster Optimus Prime was THE OP of my childhood, I'm basically obligated to get this, but did they have to make the arms look so stupid in vehicle mode? I can't believe they couldn't engineer some clever mechanism to shorten those down for transformation. Anyways, it's official and cool enough, I'm in.
I'm not ruling out some mistransformation.
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on April 6th, 2024 @ 3:47pm CDT
kirbenvost wrote:Since Powermaster Optimus Prime was THE OP of my childhood, I'm basically obligated to get this, but did they have to make the arms look so stupid in vehicle mode? I can't believe they couldn't engineer some clever mechanism to shorten those down for transformation. Anyways, it's official and cool enough, I'm in.
I broke my G1 Prime early on so until PM Prime was released my Autobots were leader less.
Posted by Emerje on April 6th, 2024 @ 4:47pm CDT
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:You mention Armada Prime, which is an interesting footnote to this release. Powermaster Prime/Ginrai is the Last G1 Optimus for the Masterpiece line (other than MP Orion Pax, which I highly doubt would be a thing). The next up would be Armada Prime (given Car Robots Prime is now a HasLab release).
Armada->Energon->Cybertron->Animated
I can't help but think now that the entire reason why they decided to make HasLab RID Prime so much bigger was simply because they knew this was coming and wanted to make a figure that could stand up to an MP release. Even the price ended up roughly the same once the discounts are made.
Sabrblade wrote:There's still Star Convoy they could do.
Question: Would he be an MP or an MPG? he doesn't really combine so much as he forms a space train so I think they could get away with doing him and the other two as MPs.
Also have to wonder if they should re-release Star Saber as an MPG and finally make a Victory Leo.
Emerje
Posted by Sabrblade on April 6th, 2024 @ 6:03pm CDT
On his own he's a solid piece non-combiner. His cab and trailer are one guy, with the cab forming the arms and the rest of the body is formed by the trailer.Emerje wrote:Sabrblade wrote:There's still Star Convoy they could do.
Question: Would he be an MP or an MPG? he doesn't really combine so much as he forms a space train so I think they could get away with doing him and the other two as MPs.
Posted by TulioDude on April 6th, 2024 @ 6:49pm CDT
Emerje wrote:On the bright side it also means we could see MPG God Bomber in the future and if they do make MPG Armada Prime we might also see MPG Armada Jetfire and Overload as well.
Emerje
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:You mention Armada Prime, which is an interesting footnote to this release. Powermaster Prime/Ginrai is the Last G1 Optimus for the Masterpiece line (other than MP Orion Pax, which I highly doubt would be a thing). The next up would be Armada Prime (given Car Robots Prime is now a HasLab release).
Armada->Energon->Cybertron->Animated
AS you guys have said, I believe this an good step towards an Armada( and other series) Masterpieces, since this require combining parts in a way that the line didn't do before.
Day 1558 of waiting for Transformers Armada Masterpiece news.
Posted by Emerje on April 6th, 2024 @ 7:34pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:On his own he's a solid piece non-combiner. His cab and trailer are one guy, with the cab forming the arms and the rest of the body is formed by the trailer.Emerje wrote:Sabrblade wrote:There's still Star Convoy they could do.
Question: Would he be an MP or an MPG? he doesn't really combine so much as he forms a space train so I think they could get away with doing him and the other two as MPs.
Right, I've got the reissue, but he also does this:
And this:
And I don't know if that's enough to qualify for MPG or not, we don't have any previous MPs that do anything like that.
Emerje
Posted by Sabrblade on April 6th, 2024 @ 8:23pm CDT
Star Saber?Emerje wrote:And I don't know if that's enough to qualify for MPG or not, we don't have any previous MPs that do anything like that.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on April 6th, 2024 @ 9:25pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:Star Saber?Emerje wrote:And I don't know if that's enough to qualify for MPG or not, we don't have any previous MPs that do anything like that.
"Should," but did not because no Leo.
Wait.
It IS a "cab" that pull a "trailer."
And the small bot can bombine with the "trailer" to become a bigger bot.
And if on top of that I count the "headmaster"...
Posted by Emerje on April 7th, 2024 @ 7:28am CDT
Sabrblade wrote:Star Saber?Emerje wrote:And I don't know if that's enough to qualify for MPG or not, we don't have any previous MPs that do anything like that.
Emerje wrote:Also have to wonder if they should re-release Star Saber as an MPG and finally make a Victory Leo.
Emerje
Posted by william-james88 on April 9th, 2024 @ 8:06am CDT
Posted by -Kanrabat- on April 9th, 2024 @ 10:59am CDT
The question is, will it be a bitch to transform like MP-44?
Posted by First-Aid on April 9th, 2024 @ 11:01am CDT
Posted by cruizerdave on April 9th, 2024 @ 11:04am CDT
Posted by angtre on April 9th, 2024 @ 11:24am CDT
First-Aid wrote:I'm kind of nonplussed by this. It just seems very bland. I'll wait to see in person pics.
Same here. But it's an objection I move to most MP toys nowadays, since they opted for a look more similar to the cartoon/anime series.
Posted by o.supreme on April 9th, 2024 @ 11:28am CDT
But Super Ginrai/PM Prime has never been sold without his trailer in any other release that I am aware of. Of course I feel the same about the original Prime. I remember the TRU Commemorative series in 2002 having the trailer. I cant remember when the first "cab only" Original reproduction Optimus was offered? I want to say it was the Walmart one around 2016/17 ? But it could have been before that...but it still seemed odd, not something Id ever consider purchasing.
Posted by First-Aid on April 9th, 2024 @ 11:29am CDT
angtre wrote:First-Aid wrote:I'm kind of nonplussed by this. It just seems very bland. I'll wait to see in person pics.
Same here. But it's an objection I move to most MP toys nowadays, since they opted for a look more similar to the cartoon/anime series.
Agreed. These are 1980s and early 1990s animation models...the very definition of bland. I guess I am leaning more towards the detailing and little things now.
Posted by Sabrblade on April 9th, 2024 @ 11:45am CDT
Posted by Big Grim on April 9th, 2024 @ 11:50am CDT
~ Grim
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on April 9th, 2024 @ 11:54am CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on April 9th, 2024 @ 11:56am CDT
MP-60 = toy colors cab-onlychuckdawg1999 wrote:So is MP-60 or MPG-09 cartoon colors? Either way I went with the Big Kahuna, I hope it doesn't suck.
MPG-09 = cartoon colors cab and trailer, w/ bonus optional stickers to give the trailer toy colors
Posted by Rodimus Prime on April 9th, 2024 @ 12:01pm CDT
I hate to say it, but I agree. I was looking forward to it, but I'll watch some review videos 1st. Hopefully the price won't get insane.First-Aid wrote:I'm kind of nonplussed by this. It just seems very bland. I'll wait to see in person pics.
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on April 9th, 2024 @ 12:32pm CDT
Posted by blackeyedprime on April 9th, 2024 @ 12:42pm CDT
Posted by Hero Alpha on April 9th, 2024 @ 12:52pm CDT
Posted by First-Aid on April 9th, 2024 @ 1:01pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:And here's MP-60 Ginrai
Mistransformed or blue ballbearings? Elita leave him hanging?
Posted by Sabrblade on April 9th, 2024 @ 1:03pm CDT
You saying Elita's cheating on Optimus with Ginrai?First-Aid wrote:Elita leave him hanging?
Posted by First-Aid on April 9th, 2024 @ 1:25pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:You saying Elita's cheating on Optimus with Ginrai?First-Aid wrote:Elita leave him hanging?
This week on Blaster's Off-Cybertron Podcast: "I accidentally cheated with your identical, red-eyed twin." Elita leaks lubricants in sincere apology to Optimus. Ginrai throws chair at Blaster.
Posted by william-james88 on April 9th, 2024 @ 2:07pm CDT
Posted by william-james88 on April 9th, 2024 @ 2:16pm CDT
The listings give us some new images, showing off all accessories each release comes with. The Super version comes with an alternate face to give Optimus red eyes instead of blue, along with a small figure of Ginrai in his exo-suit, and some really cool effects parts.
MP-60 Ginrai toy accurate deco for ¥18,078 including Japanese taxes
https://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/b0czx59d4c?tag=seibertron00-22& ... sform0c-22
MPG-09 Super Ginrai anime accurate deco for ¥39,017 including Japanese taxes
https://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/b0czwxlmcx/ ... sform0c-22?tag=seibertron00-22&
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on April 9th, 2024 @ 2:21pm CDT
If I am being honest, the alternate red eyed head sculpt pushed me over the edge to do it
Posted by Overcracker on April 9th, 2024 @ 3:48pm CDT
But my word.... that heroic pelvic thrust....
If I had $300 disposable bucks I might go for it.
But as it is, I'll just keep my Takara Legends Super Ginrai and God Bomber. As bad as those awkward feet are.
I would appreciate a comparison shot though. Just to see how far 200 more bucks of budget can go.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on April 9th, 2024 @ 4:31pm CDT
But holy shit, around half a grand Canadian, taxed and shipped.
This will be at the second place of my most expensive Transformers ever, right before the G1 Victory Saber set.
Posted by Sabrblade on April 9th, 2024 @ 6:10pm CDT
I know a way to make those feet stable and solid as a rock. PM me.Overcracker wrote:But as it is, I'll just keep my Takara Legends Super Ginrai and God Bomber. As bad as those awkward feet are.
Posted by Sabrblade on April 9th, 2024 @ 9:14pm CDT
See that bullet-pointed note in the bottom half of the pic? This text:
「マスターピース」シリーズは100体目の発売を機に今作で終了となり、今後トランスフオーマーの最高峰ブランドは次世代最高峰ブランドである「トランスフォーマーMPG」に統一となります。
When translated into English, (courtesy of DeepL) it states the following:
The "Masterpiece" series will come to an end with the release of the 100th figure, and the highest Transformer brand will be unified with the next generation's highest brand, "Transformers MPG".
MP-60 Ginrai is apparently the final Masterpiece release, with Masterpiece Gattai formally taking over as its successor line.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on April 9th, 2024 @ 9:21pm CDT
Or is it just an excuse to reset the numbers?