IDW to Lose Transformers Comics License at the End of 2022
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It's the "End of the Road!" for IDW Publishing when it comes to making Transformers comics, or at least it will be at the end of 2022. Two days ago The Hollywood Reporter first broke this news, which includes a statement from IDW as well as a tease for their plans to conclude their work on Transformers (and G.I. Joe) as the year goes on:
Several IDW employees, former employees, editors, writers, artists and more have also commented on the news on social media platform Twitter. This includes current editor David Mariotte, former EIC and Transformers writer John Barber, former President and one of the major players in IDW's initial acquisition of the Transformers license Chris Ryall, writers Simon Furman, James Roberts and Erik Burnham, and artists including Casey Coller, Andrew Griffith, Josh Burcham, Nick Roche and Jack Lawrence among others.
Questions remain for several fans such as the ultimate fate of the long-running, slow-releasing IDW Collection hardcover series, which will only reach the beginnings of the Optimus Prime and Lost Light series with its upcoming March release of Phase 3, Volume 2. Whether these collections will ever by completed is yet to be seen. Who - if anyone, for a time - will release Transformers comics beginning in 2023 is also yet to be confirmed, though previous rumors point to Skybound Entertainment.
Whatever your opinion is on IDW's Transformers run throughout the years, it can't be denied that their 17 years creating Transformers stories has had a colossal impact on fans and the brand itself. A heartfelt "thank you" is the least we can offer for all of the creative minds that brought us this soon-to-conclude era of Transformers comics for the fun and entertainment provided over the years.
The Hollywood Reporter wrote:“At the end of 2022, IDW will bid a fond farewell to the publication of G.I. Joe and Transformers comic books and graphic novels,” the company said in a statement provided to THR. “We’re exceedingly proud of our stewardship of these titles — 17 years with the Robots in Disguise and 14 years with A Real American Hero — and thank the legion of fans for their unwavering support, month in and month out. We’re also eternally grateful to every one of the talented creators who helped bring these characters to four-color life through our comics.”
The Hollywood Reporter wrote:The monthly Transformers series will wrap up by mid-summer, while the Transformers: Beast Wars series will come to its conclusion this summer, too. That will lead to two new miniseries events. The company will also publish a variety of special one-shot projects spotlighting heroes and villains from across Transformers history.
Several IDW employees, former employees, editors, writers, artists and more have also commented on the news on social media platform Twitter. This includes current editor David Mariotte, former EIC and Transformers writer John Barber, former President and one of the major players in IDW's initial acquisition of the Transformers license Chris Ryall, writers Simon Furman, James Roberts and Erik Burnham, and artists including Casey Coller, Andrew Griffith, Josh Burcham, Nick Roche and Jack Lawrence among others.
Questions remain for several fans such as the ultimate fate of the long-running, slow-releasing IDW Collection hardcover series, which will only reach the beginnings of the Optimus Prime and Lost Light series with its upcoming March release of Phase 3, Volume 2. Whether these collections will ever by completed is yet to be seen. Who - if anyone, for a time - will release Transformers comics beginning in 2023 is also yet to be confirmed, though previous rumors point to Skybound Entertainment.
Whatever your opinion is on IDW's Transformers run throughout the years, it can't be denied that their 17 years creating Transformers stories has had a colossal impact on fans and the brand itself. A heartfelt "thank you" is the least we can offer for all of the creative minds that brought us this soon-to-conclude era of Transformers comics for the fun and entertainment provided over the years.
Credit(s): The Hollywood Reporter
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Re: IDW to Lose Transformers Comics License at the End of 2022 (2125853)
Posted by primalxconvoy on January 23rd, 2022 @ 3:15am CST
Posted by primalxconvoy on January 23rd, 2022 @ 3:15am CST
I hope this new company does a better Beast Wars conic than the travesty that's currently doing the rounds. Something with a consistent art style that doesn't look like it's been drawn by a 7 year old would be a start.
Re: IDW to Lose Transformers Comics License at the End of 2022 (2125856)
Posted by ZeroWolf on January 23rd, 2022 @ 5:31am CST
Posted by ZeroWolf on January 23rd, 2022 @ 5:31am CST
I quite like the new beast Wars comic actually 
if people were this hung up on art style then Animated/Cyberverse would never have become fan favourites. Though I should point out that only Animated achieved the double punch of show and toyline being favourites, as the Cyberverse toyline was geared to a different audience so of course, people attacked it.
Anyways, what I would expect from the new studio is maybe one ongoing/miniseries at first and then branch from there. Keep things simple. Also learned that these are the folks that have been cranking out lego ninjago comics.
I do wonder if they'll attempt yet another G1 re-imagining or will it be based on the new cartoon heading our way
if people were this hung up on art style then Animated/Cyberverse would never have become fan favourites. Though I should point out that only Animated achieved the double punch of show and toyline being favourites, as the Cyberverse toyline was geared to a different audience so of course, people attacked it.Anyways, what I would expect from the new studio is maybe one ongoing/miniseries at first and then branch from there. Keep things simple. Also learned that these are the folks that have been cranking out lego ninjago comics.
I do wonder if they'll attempt yet another G1 re-imagining or will it be based on the new cartoon heading our way
Re: IDW to Lose Transformers Comics License at the End of 2022 (2125857)
Posted by primalxconvoy on January 23rd, 2022 @ 5:39am CST
There's Animated, and there's the awful BW comic.
Look at this awful picture:
-
It's basically worse than anything Animated had to offer. Also, I think Animated toys didn't sell that well, due to the aesthetic, if I recall? The toys were only out for a year, and many were unreleased?
Posted by primalxconvoy on January 23rd, 2022 @ 5:39am CST
ZeroWolf wrote:I quite like the new beast Wars comic actually
Anyways, what I would expect from the new studio is maybe one ongoing/miniseries at first and then branch from there. Keep things simple. Also learned that these are the folks that have been cranking out lego ninjago comics.
I do wonder if they'll attempt yet another G1 re-imagining or will it be based on the new cartoon heading our way
There's Animated, and there's the awful BW comic.
Look at this awful picture:
-
It's basically worse than anything Animated had to offer. Also, I think Animated toys didn't sell that well, due to the aesthetic, if I recall? The toys were only out for a year, and many were unreleased?
Re: IDW to Lose Transformers Comics License at the End of 2022 (2125861)
Posted by AcademyofDrX on January 23rd, 2022 @ 7:53am CST
It's not "bad," it's stylized. You don't have to like it, but it's an aesthetic choice. In general I really like Burcham's art style and character designs, I think they have a lot more personality than most Transformers art. It's not for everyone, but that's true of a lot of comic art, especially the best of it.
Posted by AcademyofDrX on January 23rd, 2022 @ 7:53am CST
primalxconvoy wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:I quite like the new beast Wars comic actually
Anyways, what I would expect from the new studio is maybe one ongoing/miniseries at first and then branch from there. Keep things simple. Also learned that these are the folks that have been cranking out lego ninjago comics.
I do wonder if they'll attempt yet another G1 re-imagining or will it be based on the new cartoon heading our way
There's Animated, and there's the awful BW comic.
Look at this awful picture:
-
It's basically worse than anything Animated had to offer. Also, I think Animated toys didn't sell that well, due to the aesthetic, if I recall? The toys were only out for a year, and many were unreleased?
It's not "bad," it's stylized. You don't have to like it, but it's an aesthetic choice. In general I really like Burcham's art style and character designs, I think they have a lot more personality than most Transformers art. It's not for everyone, but that's true of a lot of comic art, especially the best of it.
Re: IDW to Lose Transformers Comics License at the End of 2022 (2125865)
Posted by ScottyP on January 23rd, 2022 @ 9:46am CST
Personally, I'd love to see just an entirely new thing. Unlike cartoons where budget has a huge influence on new designs, how many characters can be around, how many of them can transform and how often you don't have that restriction in a comic. Great opportunity for a team with the right imagination to just go nuts.
Posted by ScottyP on January 23rd, 2022 @ 9:46am CST
I'd bet actual money it'll be G1 redone comic version 4.ZeroWolf wrote:I do wonder if they'll attempt yet another G1 re-imagining or will it be based on the new cartoon heading our way
Personally, I'd love to see just an entirely new thing. Unlike cartoons where budget has a huge influence on new designs, how many characters can be around, how many of them can transform and how often you don't have that restriction in a comic. Great opportunity for a team with the right imagination to just go nuts.
Re: IDW to Lose Transformers Comics License at the End of 2022 (2125873)
Posted by primalxconvoy on January 23rd, 2022 @ 10:32am CST
Of course it's "stylised", but then again, so too is a picture, drawn in mud, using a twig and we can still say it's "bad" because of it. It's also most certainly not anywhere near the "best" of any contemporary comic art either. It looks like sh*t, IMO and I will be most pleased if the new compsny avoids it like the plague that it truly is.
Posted by primalxconvoy on January 23rd, 2022 @ 10:32am CST
AcademyofDrX wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:I quite like the new beast Wars comic actually
Anyways, what I would expect from the new studio is maybe one ongoing/miniseries at first and then branch from there. Keep things simple. Also learned that these are the folks that have been cranking out lego ninjago comics.
I do wonder if they'll attempt yet another G1 re-imagining or will it be based on the new cartoon heading our way
There's Animated, and there's the awful BW comic.
Look at this awful picture:
-
It's basically worse than anything Animated had to offer. Also, I think Animated toys didn't sell that well, due to the aesthetic, if I recall? The toys were only out for a year, and many were unreleased?
It's not "bad," it's stylized. You don't have to like it, but it's an aesthetic choice. In general I really like Burcham's art style and character designs, I think they have a lot more personality than most Transformers art. It's not for everyone, but that's true of a lot of comic art, especially the best of it.
Of course it's "stylised", but then again, so too is a picture, drawn in mud, using a twig and we can still say it's "bad" because of it. It's also most certainly not anywhere near the "best" of any contemporary comic art either. It looks like sh*t, IMO and I will be most pleased if the new compsny avoids it like the plague that it truly is.
Re: IDW to Lose Transformers Comics License at the End of 2022 (2125874)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on January 23rd, 2022 @ 10:34am CST
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on January 23rd, 2022 @ 10:34am CST
I hope Furman and Roche (and Tom Scioli) have some input where ever Transformers ends up next.
Re: IDW to Lose Transformers Comics License at the End of 2022 (2125876)
Posted by AcademyofDrX on January 23rd, 2022 @ 10:55am CST
You're completely missing my point, but I think we'll have to agree to disagree. Odds are, if you think a comic book from a major publisher looks like it was drawn by a seven year old, that's because you read comics like a seven year old.
Posted by AcademyofDrX on January 23rd, 2022 @ 10:55am CST
primalxconvoy wrote:AcademyofDrX wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:I quite like the new beast Wars comic actually
Anyways, what I would expect from the new studio is maybe one ongoing/miniseries at first and then branch from there. Keep things simple. Also learned that these are the folks that have been cranking out lego ninjago comics.
I do wonder if they'll attempt yet another G1 re-imagining or will it be based on the new cartoon heading our way
There's Animated, and there's the awful BW comic.
Look at this awful picture:
-
It's basically worse than anything Animated had to offer. Also, I think Animated toys didn't sell that well, due to the aesthetic, if I recall? The toys were only out for a year, and many were unreleased?
It's not "bad," it's stylized. You don't have to like it, but it's an aesthetic choice. In general I really like Burcham's art style and character designs, I think they have a lot more personality than most Transformers art. It's not for everyone, but that's true of a lot of comic art, especially the best of it.
Of course it's "stylised", but then again, so too is a picture, drawn in mud, using a twig and we can still say it's "bad" because of it. It's also most certainly not anywhere near the "best" of any contemporary comic art either. It looks like sh*t, IMO and I will be most pleased if the new compsny avoids it like the plague that it truly is.
You're completely missing my point, but I think we'll have to agree to disagree. Odds are, if you think a comic book from a major publisher looks like it was drawn by a seven year old, that's because you read comics like a seven year old.
Re: IDW to Lose Transformers Comics License at the End of 2022 (2125877)
Posted by primalxconvoy on January 23rd, 2022 @ 11:04am CST
No.
The odds are, everyone has their own valid opinions as to what they like and dislike. I understood perfectly what you wrote and simply disagree with it. I read and interpret both written and semiotic language and am able to formulate when I think something looks like complete and utter dogsh*t, cheers. If that contradicts your view of things, that's your own problem. I couldn't give a fig.
Posted by primalxconvoy on January 23rd, 2022 @ 11:04am CST
AcademyofDrX wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:AcademyofDrX wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:I quite like the new beast Wars comic actually
Anyways, what I would expect from the new studio is maybe one ongoing/miniseries at first and then branch from there. Keep things simple. Also learned that these are the folks that have been cranking out lego ninjago comics.
I do wonder if they'll attempt yet another G1 re-imagining or will it be based on the new cartoon heading our way
There's Animated, and there's the awful BW comic.
Look at this awful picture:
-
It's basically worse than anything Animated had to offer. Also, I think Animated toys didn't sell that well, due to the aesthetic, if I recall? The toys were only out for a year, and many were unreleased?
It's not "bad," it's stylized. You don't have to like it, but it's an aesthetic choice. In general I really like Burcham's art style and character designs, I think they have a lot more personality than most Transformers art. It's not for everyone, but that's true of a lot of comic art, especially the best of it.
Of course it's "stylised", but then again, so too is a picture, drawn in mud, using a twig and we can still say it's "bad" because of it. It's also most certainly not anywhere near the "best" of any contemporary comic art either. It looks like sh*t, IMO and I will be most pleased if the new compsny avoids it like the plague that it truly is.
You're completely missing my point, but I think we'll have to agree to disagree. Odds are, if you think a comic book from a major publisher looks like it was drawn by a seven year old, that's because you read comics like a seven year old.
No.
The odds are, everyone has their own valid opinions as to what they like and dislike. I understood perfectly what you wrote and simply disagree with it. I read and interpret both written and semiotic language and am able to formulate when I think something looks like complete and utter dogsh*t, cheers. If that contradicts your view of things, that's your own problem. I couldn't give a fig.
Re: IDW to Lose Transformers Comics License at the End of 2022 (2125880)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on January 23rd, 2022 @ 11:38am CST
Posted by -Kanrabat- on January 23rd, 2022 @ 11:38am CST
Western comics have been in a downward spiral ever since the woke cancer started seeping through. IDW was no exception.
My hope is for the Transformers comics to become a manga instead. A manga written and drawn by Japanese artists that have only good stories in mind without any message.
My hope is for the Transformers comics to become a manga instead. A manga written and drawn by Japanese artists that have only good stories in mind without any message.
Re: IDW to Lose Transformers Comics License at the End of 2022 (2125881)
Posted by AcademyofDrX on January 23rd, 2022 @ 11:43am CST
Posted by AcademyofDrX on January 23rd, 2022 @ 11:43am CST
-Kanrabat- wrote:Western comics have been in a downward spiral ever since the woke cancer started seeping through. IDW was no exception.
Re: IDW to Lose Transformers Comics License at the End of 2022 (2125882)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on January 23rd, 2022 @ 11:49am CST
Is that all you have to say?
Did you know that the single manga Demon Slayer sold more than the ENTIRE WESTERN COMICS INDUSTRY last year?
There's a reason for that.
Get out of your bubble to find out.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on January 23rd, 2022 @ 11:49am CST
AcademyofDrX wrote:
Is that all you have to say?
Did you know that the single manga Demon Slayer sold more than the ENTIRE WESTERN COMICS INDUSTRY last year?
There's a reason for that.
Get out of your bubble to find out.
Re: IDW to Lose Transformers Comics License at the End of 2022 (2125883)
Posted by AcademyofDrX on January 23rd, 2022 @ 11:55am CST
Yes, that's all I have to say to Gaters.
Posted by AcademyofDrX on January 23rd, 2022 @ 11:55am CST
-Kanrabat- wrote:AcademyofDrX wrote:
Is that all you have to say?
Did you know that the single manga Demon Slayer sold more than the ENTIRE WESTERN COMICS INDUSTRY last year?
There's a reason for that.
Get out of your bubble to find out.
Yes, that's all I have to say to Gaters.
Re: IDW to Lose Transformers Comics License at the End of 2022 (2125884)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on January 23rd, 2022 @ 12:06pm CST
This is you:
But eh, whatever makes you happy. (づ¬◞ ¬)づ
Posted by -Kanrabat- on January 23rd, 2022 @ 12:06pm CST
AcademyofDrX wrote:Yes, that's all I have to say to Gaters.
This is you:
But eh, whatever makes you happy. (づ¬◞ ¬)づ
Re: IDW to Lose Transformers Comics License at the End of 2022 (2125885)
Posted by primalxconvoy on January 23rd, 2022 @ 12:10pm CST
Sorry to pee on your parade, onesan, but "woke" (as you called it) culture has already entered Japan:
- https://soranews24.com/2021/01/05/high- ... iner-line/
- https://english.kyodonews.net/news/2021 ... tions.html
- https://soranews24.com/2019/11/26/manga ... ntroversy/
- https://soranews24.com/2020/02/11/media ... reviewers/
- https://soranews24.com/2020/02/19/love- ... -in-japan/
- https://nationalpost.com/pmn/entertainm ... -americans
- https://soranews24.com/2020/08/24/artis ... c-comment/
- https://soranews24.com/2020/12/09/petit ... -the-bath/
- https://english.kyodonews.net/news/2021 ... proar.html
- https://soranews24.com/2021/11/19/anime ... aboration/
- https://english.kyodonews.net/news/2017 ... icism.html
- https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/ ... ia-protest
- https://theworldnews.net/jp-news/the-bi ... -backfired
Posted by primalxconvoy on January 23rd, 2022 @ 12:10pm CST
-Kanrabat- wrote:Western comics have been in a downward spiral ever since the woke cancer started seeping through. IDW was no exception.
My hope is for the Transformers comics to become a manga instead. A manga written and drawn by Japanese artists that have only good stories in mind without any message.
Sorry to pee on your parade, onesan, but "woke" (as you called it) culture has already entered Japan:
- https://soranews24.com/2021/01/05/high- ... iner-line/
- https://english.kyodonews.net/news/2021 ... tions.html
- https://soranews24.com/2019/11/26/manga ... ntroversy/
- https://soranews24.com/2020/02/11/media ... reviewers/
- https://soranews24.com/2020/02/19/love- ... -in-japan/
- https://nationalpost.com/pmn/entertainm ... -americans
- https://soranews24.com/2020/08/24/artis ... c-comment/
- https://soranews24.com/2020/12/09/petit ... -the-bath/
- https://english.kyodonews.net/news/2021 ... proar.html
- https://soranews24.com/2021/11/19/anime ... aboration/
- https://english.kyodonews.net/news/2017 ... icism.html
- https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/ ... ia-protest
- https://theworldnews.net/jp-news/the-bi ... -backfired
Re: IDW to Lose Transformers Comics License at the End of 2022 (2125886)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on January 23rd, 2022 @ 12:22pm CST
Posted by -Kanrabat- on January 23rd, 2022 @ 12:22pm CST
Interesting, but I don't think it's mainstream......yet.
You also won't see these wacky ideas suddenly infect established franchises like for example, Goku in Dragon Ball turning gay for no reasons, or Android 18 revealing to be "trans all along" because why not.
No matter what, there is one universal rule: Money talk.
The decline of American comics is real. Along with Hollywood movies. The woke cancer contributed a lot. No one want to be lectured to when reading fantasy. There's also a need of originality that the West can no longer provide with all their sequels and reboots.
There's also YEARS in development involved and what sold 4 years ago no longer sell today. So everything is in some hard decline and we see flops after flops. It will take some years for the West to produce anything good again. In the meantime, Japan with it's constant renewal and original ideas (despite the onslaught of Isekai fast-food) and pure entertainment value rake in the dough.
You also won't see these wacky ideas suddenly infect established franchises like for example, Goku in Dragon Ball turning gay for no reasons, or Android 18 revealing to be "trans all along" because why not.
No matter what, there is one universal rule: Money talk.
The decline of American comics is real. Along with Hollywood movies. The woke cancer contributed a lot. No one want to be lectured to when reading fantasy. There's also a need of originality that the West can no longer provide with all their sequels and reboots.
There's also YEARS in development involved and what sold 4 years ago no longer sell today. So everything is in some hard decline and we see flops after flops. It will take some years for the West to produce anything good again. In the meantime, Japan with it's constant renewal and original ideas (despite the onslaught of Isekai fast-food) and pure entertainment value rake in the dough.
Re: IDW to Lose Transformers Comics License at the End of 2022 (2125887)
Posted by primalxconvoy on January 23rd, 2022 @ 12:34pm CST
Er, I've just shown you evidence that Japan, and its associated mass-media, is dealing with the same social issues that America and other countries are, although perhaps in different ways. Mainstream cartoons are changing how their main characters are depicted in the bath, governmental tourist and police campaigns are being removed due to complaints about the sexist anime girls used in them, more LGBT+ rights are being given to members of the public, debate on how women are being depicted in anime and manga and much more. I've seen evidence of similar things firsthand via conversations with average Japanese people too.
Many of the "mainstream" things you think are such in Japan, be they specific media or matters of culture might not be as you think...
EDIT: - If you want to see a thumbnail/snapshot into (mainstream?) Japanese cultural views, check out this YouTuber; He often interviews people on the streets of Tokyo and/or checks out what Japanese people are discussing on social media about anime, manga and other aspects of Japanese culture:
- https://youtu.be/jUal46yyI8Y
- https://youtu.be/PlRINntYPmo
- https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KsoN70rzV5o&t=1s
- https://youtu.be/jDwtfXUGiZ4
- https://youtu.be/MhOiRZVEYCo
- https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mEp3tN6ctPo
- https://youtu.be/wvwj2mho8_w
- https://youtu.be/gzIPhntXEuA
- https://youtu.be/VlAxSTenSLs
Posted by primalxconvoy on January 23rd, 2022 @ 12:34pm CST
-Kanrabat- wrote:Interesting, but I don't think it's mainstream......yet.
You also won't see these wacky ideas suddenly infect established franchises like for example, Goku in Dragon Ball turning gay for no reasons, or Android 18 revealing to be "trans all along" because why not.
No matter what, there is one universal rule: Money talk.
The decline of American comics is real. Along with Hollywood movies. The woke cancer contributed a lot. No one want to be lectured to when reading fantasy. There's also a need of originality that the West can no longer provide with all their sequels and reboots.
There's also YEARS in development involved and what sold 4 years ago no longer sell today. So everything is in some hard decline and we see flops after flops. It will take some years for the West to produce anything good again. In the meantime, Japan with it's constant renewal and original ideas (despite the onslaught of Isekai fast-food) and pure entertainment value rake in the dough.
Er, I've just shown you evidence that Japan, and its associated mass-media, is dealing with the same social issues that America and other countries are, although perhaps in different ways. Mainstream cartoons are changing how their main characters are depicted in the bath, governmental tourist and police campaigns are being removed due to complaints about the sexist anime girls used in them, more LGBT+ rights are being given to members of the public, debate on how women are being depicted in anime and manga and much more. I've seen evidence of similar things firsthand via conversations with average Japanese people too.
Many of the "mainstream" things you think are such in Japan, be they specific media or matters of culture might not be as you think...
EDIT: - If you want to see a thumbnail/snapshot into (mainstream?) Japanese cultural views, check out this YouTuber; He often interviews people on the streets of Tokyo and/or checks out what Japanese people are discussing on social media about anime, manga and other aspects of Japanese culture:
- https://youtu.be/jUal46yyI8Y
- https://youtu.be/PlRINntYPmo
- https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KsoN70rzV5o&t=1s
- https://youtu.be/jDwtfXUGiZ4
- https://youtu.be/MhOiRZVEYCo
- https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mEp3tN6ctPo
- https://youtu.be/wvwj2mho8_w
- https://youtu.be/gzIPhntXEuA
- https://youtu.be/VlAxSTenSLs
Re: IDW to Lose Transformers Comics License at the End of 2022 (2125888)
Posted by AcademyofDrX on January 23rd, 2022 @ 12:35pm CST
What would make me happy is never having to read your cultural warrior drivel in the first place, but they went and put you on staff. So I have to make do.
Posted by AcademyofDrX on January 23rd, 2022 @ 12:35pm CST
-Kanrabat- wrote:AcademyofDrX wrote:Yes, that's all I have to say to Gaters.
This is you:
But eh, whatever makes you happy. (づ¬◞ ¬)づ
What would make me happy is never having to read your cultural warrior drivel in the first place, but they went and put you on staff. So I have to make do.
Re: IDW to Lose Transformers Comics License at the End of 2022 (2125889)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on January 23rd, 2022 @ 12:35pm CST
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on January 23rd, 2022 @ 12:35pm CST
I think, licensed IP (80's IP's in particular) have a stigma attached to them. They never seem to achieve the sales of original IP's, such as in Manga. Maybe because the license holder wields a tight, creative leash around them. Meaning they can't deviate too far off-script. That coincides with That part of the fanbase. That thinks everything generated by that IP should only appeal directly to their nostalgic tastes. Which also stifles any and all creativity.
Transformers gained a second life via Beast Wars. Which was a radical departure from the original source material. It gained wealth and a wider audience with Bayformers. Which was a less radical. But still, a different enough departure from tradition. That helps with the comics. The Furman run of IDWverse proved that.
Then from All Hail Megatron onwards, G1 crept back in. Then later books forswore the "alien" element altogether and we ended up with talking heads in TF skins and Robo-Sex.
Would Hasbro allow a new departure on that scale? I doubt it. I optimistically hope for it though.
Transformers gained a second life via Beast Wars. Which was a radical departure from the original source material. It gained wealth and a wider audience with Bayformers. Which was a less radical. But still, a different enough departure from tradition. That helps with the comics. The Furman run of IDWverse proved that.
Then from All Hail Megatron onwards, G1 crept back in. Then later books forswore the "alien" element altogether and we ended up with talking heads in TF skins and Robo-Sex.
Would Hasbro allow a new departure on that scale? I doubt it. I optimistically hope for it though.
Re: IDW to Lose Transformers Comics License at the End of 2022 (2125890)
Posted by primalxconvoy on January 23rd, 2022 @ 12:38pm CST
Arguably, in the comics, the Armada Trilogy, in the DW comics at least, was an area that allowed some of the constraints of G1 too be removed, as it was a parallel universe, running in a parallel comic series to the G1 comic at the time.
Posted by primalxconvoy on January 23rd, 2022 @ 12:38pm CST
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I think, licensed IP (80's IP's in particular) have a stigma attached to them. They never seem to achieve the sales of original IP's, such as in Manga. Maybe because the license holder wields a tight, creative leash around them. Meaning they can't deviate too far off-script. That coincides with That part of the fanbase. That thinks everything generated by that IP should only appeal directly to their nostalgic tastes. Which also stifles any and all creativity.
Transformers gained a second life via Beast Wars. Which was a radical departure from the original source material. It gained wealth and a wider audience with Bayformers. Which was a less radical. But still, a different enough departure from tradition. That helps with the comics. The Furman run of IDWverse proved that.
Would Hasbro allow a new departure on that scale? I doubt it. I optimistically hope for it though.
Arguably, in the comics, the Armada Trilogy, in the DW comics at least, was an area that allowed some of the constraints of G1 too be removed, as it was a parallel universe, running in a parallel comic series to the G1 comic at the time.
Re: IDW to Lose Transformers Comics License at the End of 2022 (2125891)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on January 23rd, 2022 @ 12:44pm CST
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on January 23rd, 2022 @ 12:44pm CST
From what I read in the part work, DW did try some interest and different things with their series. But there currently isn't a Unicron Trilogy parallel right now. So while I'd love a -Ations approach of use-everything-in-the-toybox-in-a-new-way IE Thunderwing as Transformers Hulk. I think the Evergreen thing is too lucrative now for Hasbro to consider putting it aside.
Re: IDW to Lose Transformers Comics License at the End of 2022 (2125892)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on January 23rd, 2022 @ 1:01pm CST
Posted by -Kanrabat- on January 23rd, 2022 @ 1:01pm CST
What most fans do not accept are retcons within the same universe. For example, creating a direct sequel to G1 and retconning that Optimus Prime was directly born from the leaves of a cabbage or something.
But we do love alternative universes and when one is created, everything goes. The beasts in BW, the honorable Starscream in Armada, Miner/Gladiator Megatron in IDW, all this is awesome and it help create original content.
Speaking of the TF Multiverse, there should be a series about the various universes of Transformers clashing. Either in comics form, animated, or both. I'd love to see the reaction of virtuous G1 Optimus toward the bloodlust of Bay Optimus.
But we do love alternative universes and when one is created, everything goes. The beasts in BW, the honorable Starscream in Armada, Miner/Gladiator Megatron in IDW, all this is awesome and it help create original content.
Speaking of the TF Multiverse, there should be a series about the various universes of Transformers clashing. Either in comics form, animated, or both. I'd love to see the reaction of virtuous G1 Optimus toward the bloodlust of Bay Optimus.
Re: IDW to Lose Transformers Comics License at the End of 2022 (2125893)
Posted by primalxconvoy on January 23rd, 2022 @ 1:14pm CST
Well, DW did have a version of the G1 universe "clashing" with the Unicorn Trilogy one. Technically, although aesthetically the "same" universe, in Cyberverse, there was a parallel dimension Megatron that fought Cyberverse Megatron...
Posted by primalxconvoy on January 23rd, 2022 @ 1:14pm CST
-Kanrabat- wrote:What most fans do not accept are retcons within the same universe. For example, creating a direct sequel to G1 and retconning that Optimus Prime was directly born from the leaves of a cabbage or something.
But we do love alternative universes and when one is created, everything goes. The beasts in BW, the honorable Starscream in Armada, Miner/Gladiator Megatron in IDW, all this is awesome and it help create original content.
Speaking of the TF Multiverse, there should be a series about the various universes of Transformers clashing. Either in comics form, animated, or both. I'd love to see the reaction of virtuous G1 Optimus toward the bloodlust of Bay Optimus.
Well, DW did have a version of the G1 universe "clashing" with the Unicorn Trilogy one. Technically, although aesthetically the "same" universe, in Cyberverse, there was a parallel dimension Megatron that fought Cyberverse Megatron...
Re: IDW to Lose Transformers Comics License at the End of 2022 (2125894)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on January 23rd, 2022 @ 1:22pm CST
After Prime, I lost interest in TF cartoons. Especially with the disastrous Machimina series.
But Cyberverse seems to be the best show since Prime so I should get on to it.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on January 23rd, 2022 @ 1:22pm CST
primalxconvoy wrote:Well, DW did have a version of the G1 universe "clashing" with the Unicorn Trilogy one. Technically, although aesthetically the "same" universe, in Cyberverse, there was a parallel dimension Megatron that fought Cyberverse Megatron...
After Prime, I lost interest in TF cartoons. Especially with the disastrous Machimina series.
But Cyberverse seems to be the best show since Prime so I should get on to it.
Re: IDW to Lose Transformers Comics License at the End of 2022 (2125898)
Posted by primalxconvoy on January 23rd, 2022 @ 1:49pm CST
Although Cyberverse basically copied The Matrix for part of its story arc, it was none the worse for it, IMO. Like Animated, the story was great, the aesthetics ok for the show, but the aesthetics didn't entice me to buy any of the toys.
I have not really bought any IDW comics as comics in general seem "distant" to me and not as accessible to buy as TF toys (regardless of whether that is actually the case). I feel that it is harder to get the collected comics editions and know when they come out, than, say, a DVd boxed set. As such, I don't want the hassle of buying individual comics or following long story arcs/series. I would rather have shorter series, set in different universes. More of a "What if?" series than what we currently have with IDW. If they could make comics more accessible that would be great. I have alsways wondered why places like Toys R Us didn't have related comics and merchandise next to the associated toys in that aisle, or nearby (possibly with signs, say, on the shelf labels saying "Go to aisle 4 to check out the latest (TF)
comics or aisle 6 for DVDs of the Bay movies!).
Posted by primalxconvoy on January 23rd, 2022 @ 1:49pm CST
-Kanrabat- wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:Well, DW did have a version of the G1 universe "clashing" with the Unicorn Trilogy one. Technically, although aesthetically the "same" universe, in Cyberverse, there was a parallel dimension Megatron that fought Cyberverse Megatron...
After Prime, I lost interest in TF cartoons. Especially with the disastrous Machimina series.
But Cyberverse seems to be the best show since Prime so I should get on to it.
Although Cyberverse basically copied The Matrix for part of its story arc, it was none the worse for it, IMO. Like Animated, the story was great, the aesthetics ok for the show, but the aesthetics didn't entice me to buy any of the toys.
I have not really bought any IDW comics as comics in general seem "distant" to me and not as accessible to buy as TF toys (regardless of whether that is actually the case). I feel that it is harder to get the collected comics editions and know when they come out, than, say, a DVd boxed set. As such, I don't want the hassle of buying individual comics or following long story arcs/series. I would rather have shorter series, set in different universes. More of a "What if?" series than what we currently have with IDW. If they could make comics more accessible that would be great. I have alsways wondered why places like Toys R Us didn't have related comics and merchandise next to the associated toys in that aisle, or nearby (possibly with signs, say, on the shelf labels saying "Go to aisle 4 to check out the latest (TF)
comics or aisle 6 for DVDs of the Bay movies!).
Re: IDW to Lose Transformers Comics License at the End of 2022 (2125901)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on January 23rd, 2022 @ 2:55pm CST
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on January 23rd, 2022 @ 2:55pm CST
Well, this thread went exactly where I thought it would with most of the players I expected involved.
So, here are my thoughts on the actual news:
I am sad IDW is no longer going to have the license. They put out some truly fantastic series, and it is going to be very hard to beat the Wreckers stories and MTMTE. The new main continuity may not have had much interest beyond Exarchon, but the side stories and Beast Wars were doing good.
IDW did a lot good, including the longest running continuity ever, the breakthroughs so many creators were given, and truly allowing for some awesome new and original stuff to come out. I will forever appreciate a lot of that material.
I hope that the new license holder goes a whole new direction. G1 redone will not fly again after the latest continuity run. I want to see something truly new and original. That is my dream, as far fetched as it might be.
Cyberverse to me is the definitive G1 redone story, it did it right with the originality. Now that we have that, we need to move beyond G1 redone and just try something new.
Finally, it would be nice for new creators to try to handle things. I want Furman, etc. kept away from the license. If we are changing companies, let's just let it be all new. Let it be new.
Also, if Skybound gets the license, please for the love of all things good keep NFTs away from Transformers. That trend just needs to go away.
So, here are my thoughts on the actual news:
I am sad IDW is no longer going to have the license. They put out some truly fantastic series, and it is going to be very hard to beat the Wreckers stories and MTMTE. The new main continuity may not have had much interest beyond Exarchon, but the side stories and Beast Wars were doing good.
IDW did a lot good, including the longest running continuity ever, the breakthroughs so many creators were given, and truly allowing for some awesome new and original stuff to come out. I will forever appreciate a lot of that material.
I hope that the new license holder goes a whole new direction. G1 redone will not fly again after the latest continuity run. I want to see something truly new and original. That is my dream, as far fetched as it might be.
Cyberverse to me is the definitive G1 redone story, it did it right with the originality. Now that we have that, we need to move beyond G1 redone and just try something new.
Finally, it would be nice for new creators to try to handle things. I want Furman, etc. kept away from the license. If we are changing companies, let's just let it be all new. Let it be new.
Also, if Skybound gets the license, please for the love of all things good keep NFTs away from Transformers. That trend just needs to go away.
Re: IDW to Lose Transformers Comics License at the End of 2022 (2125902)
Posted by ZeroWolf on January 23rd, 2022 @ 3:05pm CST
Posted by ZeroWolf on January 23rd, 2022 @ 3:05pm CST
Thanks for the input D Max, though your last comment, have the new studio dabbled in NFTs? I mean, it's only a matter of time till hasbro bring them into Transformers...
Re: IDW to Lose Transformers Comics License at the End of 2022 (2125903)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on January 23rd, 2022 @ 3:10pm CST
I've heard that one of the main leaders of Skybound is into crypto and NFTs, I cannot confirm anything, but I have heard rumors they are in that market
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on January 23rd, 2022 @ 3:10pm CST
ZeroWolf wrote:Thanks for the input D Max, though your last comment, have the new studio dabbled in NFTs? I mean, it's only a matter of time till hasbro bring them into Transformers...
I've heard that one of the main leaders of Skybound is into crypto and NFTs, I cannot confirm anything, but I have heard rumors they are in that market
Re: IDW to Lose Transformers Comics License at the End of 2022 (2125909)
Posted by ZeroWolf on January 23rd, 2022 @ 4:28pm CST
Ugh that doesn't bode well.
Posted by ZeroWolf on January 23rd, 2022 @ 4:28pm CST
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:Thanks for the input D Max, though your last comment, have the new studio dabbled in NFTs? I mean, it's only a matter of time till hasbro bring them into Transformers...
I've heard that one of the main leaders of Skybound is into crypto and NFTs, I cannot confirm anything, but I have heard rumors they are in that market
Ugh that doesn't bode well.
Re: IDW to Lose Transformers Comics License at the End of 2022 (2125911)
Posted by Rodimus Prime on January 23rd, 2022 @ 4:32pm CST
Posted by Rodimus Prime on January 23rd, 2022 @ 4:32pm CST
Personally, I'm kinda tired of G1 getting rehashed at every turn. And by that I mean different writers putting their own spin on characters and events that were written 35-40 years ago. This is coming from a die hard Marvel comic fan, I grew up with it and consider it the origin of Transformers lore. That's my own opinion and I'm not concerned with other views on it, even if I know and accept that not everyone looks at it the same.
That's why I never referred to IDW's continuity from 2005 to now as "G1" because it isn't. G1 ended in 1991. Having said that, I did grow to like what IDW had don't from 2012 to 2018. There were some great stories and wonderful art involved, even if I didn't care for all aspects of it.
But I hope whoever takes over the brand doesn't try to do the same. Obviously at least some of the core characters have to be reused, but there are so many others who have had little to no mention.
Even though I also don't care for the new BW comic (seriously, the art is very unappealing) I love the original series and would love to see it both prequeled and expanded upon.
I stopped reading TF comics at the conclusion of RiD/LL/Unicron, as the ending of each series was a letdown for me, but most of it was really good. It even made me go back and get into some of the older IDW stuff. (I stopped reading comics for 7 years after DW folded.) So I can give Roberts and barber credit for getting me back into it.
Not every story will satisfy everyone, but I do agree that the most important aspect of a comic title is content. The story is the primary focus, followed closely by the art. Again, my personal view, but if a book as a great story with mediocre art, I can accept it. But if it's the reverse (as the case with the Ruckley-written story starting in '19), I'll pass.
So whatever the content is, even if it's yet another rehash of G1, I just want an intriguing story with lesser-known characters and an appealing art-style.
That's why I never referred to IDW's continuity from 2005 to now as "G1" because it isn't. G1 ended in 1991. Having said that, I did grow to like what IDW had don't from 2012 to 2018. There were some great stories and wonderful art involved, even if I didn't care for all aspects of it.
But I hope whoever takes over the brand doesn't try to do the same. Obviously at least some of the core characters have to be reused, but there are so many others who have had little to no mention.
Even though I also don't care for the new BW comic (seriously, the art is very unappealing) I love the original series and would love to see it both prequeled and expanded upon.
I stopped reading TF comics at the conclusion of RiD/LL/Unicron, as the ending of each series was a letdown for me, but most of it was really good. It even made me go back and get into some of the older IDW stuff. (I stopped reading comics for 7 years after DW folded.) So I can give Roberts and barber credit for getting me back into it.
Not every story will satisfy everyone, but I do agree that the most important aspect of a comic title is content. The story is the primary focus, followed closely by the art. Again, my personal view, but if a book as a great story with mediocre art, I can accept it. But if it's the reverse (as the case with the Ruckley-written story starting in '19), I'll pass.
So whatever the content is, even if it's yet another rehash of G1, I just want an intriguing story with lesser-known characters and an appealing art-style.
Re: IDW to Lose Transformers Comics License at the End of 2022 (2125913)
Posted by primalxconvoy on January 23rd, 2022 @ 4:46pm CST
For them maybe. For me "NFT" stands for "Not Funding This"...
Posted by primalxconvoy on January 23rd, 2022 @ 4:46pm CST
ZeroWolf wrote:D-Maximal_Primal wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:Thanks for the input D Max, though your last comment, have the new studio dabbled in NFTs? I mean, it's only a matter of time till hasbro bring them into Transformers...
I've heard that one of the main leaders of Skybound is into crypto and NFTs, I cannot confirm anything, but I have heard rumors they are in that market
Ugh that doesn't bode well.
For them maybe. For me "NFT" stands for "Not Funding This"...
Re: IDW to Lose Transformers Comics License at the End of 2022 (2125915)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on January 23rd, 2022 @ 4:54pm CST
NFT.
Like I heard in a video, it's akin to the "you buy a star and you even get a certificate" scam. Too many NFT also steal intellectual properties. This, like crypto, will blow up in people's face sooner or later.
Oh, and to come back with your accessibility comment a few posts back, yeah. I'd love to watch Cyberverse but I have no idea where to watch legally. The few torrents I find are iffy too.
As for comics, they should take a hint from manga and make more graphic novels that compile comics and that are affordable.
Another thing that's killing the western comic industry is they charge 5$US to 10$US for 20 or 40 pages max. Comics with adds in them too. F that.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on January 23rd, 2022 @ 4:54pm CST
primalxconvoy wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:D-Maximal_Primal wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:Thanks for the input D Max, though your last comment, have the new studio dabbled in NFTs? I mean, it's only a matter of time till hasbro bring them into Transformers...
I've heard that one of the main leaders of Skybound is into crypto and NFTs, I cannot confirm anything, but I have heard rumors they are in that market
Ugh that doesn't bode well.
For them maybe. For me "NFT" stands for "Not Funding This"...
NFT.
Like I heard in a video, it's akin to the "you buy a star and you even get a certificate" scam. Too many NFT also steal intellectual properties. This, like crypto, will blow up in people's face sooner or later.
Oh, and to come back with your accessibility comment a few posts back, yeah. I'd love to watch Cyberverse but I have no idea where to watch legally. The few torrents I find are iffy too.
As for comics, they should take a hint from manga and make more graphic novels that compile comics and that are affordable.
Another thing that's killing the western comic industry is they charge 5$US to 10$US for 20 or 40 pages max. Comics with adds in them too. F that.
Re: IDW to Lose Transformers Comics License at the End of 2022 (2125920)
Posted by primalxconvoy on January 23rd, 2022 @ 5:10pm CST
I'm not sure if US viewers can access them, but Cyberverse is legally available at youtube.
Here's third party YouTube link (which are presumably all of the episodes, in order) :
- https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLNAW ... J7HgxzYYpu
And here are the official YouTube links (and perhaps unsurprisingly for Hasbro, in the reverse order for Season 3).
Season 1 - https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLN ... MHvvCLvqJk
Season 2 - https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL0 ... zxP7E1sNv6
Season 3 - https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7VE ... HvaB9uTxra
Season 4 - https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLU ... U5FCb-H8Hm (Not official).
I couldn't find all of the official sources, as they seemed to be mixed up between both the "Hasbro" and "Transformers Official" channels and in those channels, full-length eps, such as those for season 4, seemed to not be in an official playlist.
Posted by primalxconvoy on January 23rd, 2022 @ 5:10pm CST
-Kanrabat- wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:D-Maximal_Primal wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:Thanks for the input D Max, though your last comment, have the new studio dabbled in NFTs? I mean, it's only a matter of time till hasbro bring them into Transformers...
I've heard that one of the main leaders of Skybound is into crypto and NFTs, I cannot confirm anything, but I have heard rumors they are in that market
Ugh that doesn't bode well.
For them maybe. For me "NFT" stands for "Not Funding This"...
NFT.
Like I heard in a video, it's akin to the "you buy a star and you even get a certificate" scam. Too many NFT also steal intellectual properties. This, like crypto, will blow up in people's face sooner or later.
Oh, and to come back with your accessibility comment a few posts back, yeah. I'd love to watch Cyberverse but I have no idea where to watch legally. The few torrents I find are iffy too.
As for comics, they should take a hint from manga and make more graphic novels that compile comics and that are affordable.
Another thing that's killing the western comic industry is they charge 5$US to 10$US for 20 or 40 pages max. Comics with adds in them too. F that.
I'm not sure if US viewers can access them, but Cyberverse is legally available at youtube.
Here's third party YouTube link (which are presumably all of the episodes, in order) :
- https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLNAW ... J7HgxzYYpu
And here are the official YouTube links (and perhaps unsurprisingly for Hasbro, in the reverse order for Season 3).
Season 1 - https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLN ... MHvvCLvqJk
Season 2 - https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL0 ... zxP7E1sNv6
Season 3 - https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7VE ... HvaB9uTxra
Season 4 - https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLU ... U5FCb-H8Hm (Not official).
I couldn't find all of the official sources, as they seemed to be mixed up between both the "Hasbro" and "Transformers Official" channels and in those channels, full-length eps, such as those for season 4, seemed to not be in an official playlist.
Re: IDW to Lose Transformers Comics License at the End of 2022 (2125927)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on January 23rd, 2022 @ 5:52pm CST
Posted by -Kanrabat- on January 23rd, 2022 @ 5:52pm CST
Thanks!
I'll look into this.
I'll look into this.
Re: IDW to Lose Transformers Comics License at the End of 2022 (2125932)
Posted by Burn on January 23rd, 2022 @ 6:48pm CST
If I had a dollar for every stupid thing you've said on this site, I could afford a Shining Ultra Magnus, this post alone would fund about half of it.
Your homophobia and transphobia is shining like a lighthouse beacon, you're SUPPOSED to be a member of this staff. It's these sort of comments FROM STAFF that drive people away from this site. You, and anyone who thinks like this, are a bloody disgrace.
Remember More Than Meets The Eye and how well it was received by the fans? Remember how it brought a whole bunch of new people to the fandom? Remember how when it was announced we would have to say goodbye to the crew of The Lost Light that there was a massive out pouring from the fans who would be sad to see it go? And remember how sales of IDW's TF titles began a slow decline following the reboot?
Maybe instead of being so close minded you should take the blinkers off and have a look around at the world. It's changing, heck, society as a whole has been doing that for centuries. By all means, continue to live in your little bubble and grow to be a bitter old man who collects scantily clad dolls.
But do everyone a favour. Quit the Seibertron.com staff please, you're an embarrassment.
Posted by Burn on January 23rd, 2022 @ 6:48pm CST
-Kanrabat- wrote:Western comics have been in a downward spiral ever since the woke cancer started seeping through. IDW was no exception.
If I had a dollar for every stupid thing you've said on this site, I could afford a Shining Ultra Magnus, this post alone would fund about half of it.
Your homophobia and transphobia is shining like a lighthouse beacon, you're SUPPOSED to be a member of this staff. It's these sort of comments FROM STAFF that drive people away from this site. You, and anyone who thinks like this, are a bloody disgrace.
Remember More Than Meets The Eye and how well it was received by the fans? Remember how it brought a whole bunch of new people to the fandom? Remember how when it was announced we would have to say goodbye to the crew of The Lost Light that there was a massive out pouring from the fans who would be sad to see it go? And remember how sales of IDW's TF titles began a slow decline following the reboot?
Maybe instead of being so close minded you should take the blinkers off and have a look around at the world. It's changing, heck, society as a whole has been doing that for centuries. By all means, continue to live in your little bubble and grow to be a bitter old man who collects scantily clad dolls.
But do everyone a favour. Quit the Seibertron.com staff please, you're an embarrassment.
Re: IDW to Lose Transformers Comics License at the End of 2022 (2125936)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on January 23rd, 2022 @ 7:55pm CST
"Homophobia and transphobia"
Buzzwords to shut down any and all opposition that have been abused so much that they now means absolutely nothing.
Opposing strange reimagining and retconning of characters in established fictions is not a phobia. Opposing the abuses people do to game the system is not a phobia.
And further proof that the buzzwords you so like to use are pointless.
Take Blare White on youtube. I admire HER very much. SHE is smart and kind. But this gay man turned trans-woman (and completely transitioned) is AGAINST the authoritarian woke cult. Guess what? She's deemed a traitor to "all" the LGBT "community" and is accused to be a "transphobe". She's not alone.
Take Lacy Green, a very liberal feminist dared to start questioning the abuses of her peers and started listening to "the other side". BAM! "Internal misogyny".
Being "anti-woke" is not being "anti-LGBT". It's to be against an insane cult that shut down all discutions.
By your logic, being "pro-LGBT" would be "Islamophobe" because this goes against the tenets of Islam.
Try to dig a bit deeper. Look up all those gay, lesbians, trans, women, and all who DARED speak out against your tribe. Listen to what they have to say. You may learn something.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on January 23rd, 2022 @ 7:55pm CST
Burn wrote:Your homophobia and transphobia is shining like a lighthouse beacon, you're SUPPOSED to be a member of this staff. It's these sort of comments FROM STAFF that drive people away from this site. You, and anyone who thinks like this, are a bloody disgrace.
"Homophobia and transphobia"
Buzzwords to shut down any and all opposition that have been abused so much that they now means absolutely nothing.
Opposing strange reimagining and retconning of characters in established fictions is not a phobia. Opposing the abuses people do to game the system is not a phobia.
And further proof that the buzzwords you so like to use are pointless.
Take Blare White on youtube. I admire HER very much. SHE is smart and kind. But this gay man turned trans-woman (and completely transitioned) is AGAINST the authoritarian woke cult. Guess what? She's deemed a traitor to "all" the LGBT "community" and is accused to be a "transphobe". She's not alone.
Take Lacy Green, a very liberal feminist dared to start questioning the abuses of her peers and started listening to "the other side". BAM! "Internal misogyny".
Being "anti-woke" is not being "anti-LGBT". It's to be against an insane cult that shut down all discutions.
By your logic, being "pro-LGBT" would be "Islamophobe" because this goes against the tenets of Islam.
Try to dig a bit deeper. Look up all those gay, lesbians, trans, women, and all who DARED speak out against your tribe. Listen to what they have to say. You may learn something.
Re: IDW to Lose Transformers Comics License at the End of 2022 (2125951)
Posted by primalxconvoy on January 23rd, 2022 @ 8:41pm CST
Looking at what you've both said, I think we can find both some things you can both agree upon, at least for the purpose of argument, and in good this might correlate to (IDW) (TF) comics and/or media in general.
I think you both are fairly happy with progressive social issues being part of (TF) media, but would like it handled differently? For arguments' sake, "woke" is a term to encompass those progressive/inclusive issues, so arguably, you're both in the "woke" camp, just differently?
Burn is happy for all characters to be treated equally and is fine with the sexuality, gender, appearance and other defining characteristics of (arguably) "main" characters to be adjusted or changed, whereas Kanrabat would rather such changes or inclusions (of any type, be they woke, etc) in either new characters and/or new settings (such as in "What if" scenarios, alternate universes, a plot of McGuffin to explain the changes, etc)? Burn might feel that this is akin to the "Everyone wants and airport but not through their farmland" excuse, whereas Kanrabat would disagree?
If this is true, then I would say that your main difference of opinion is more to do with the degree in how changes should occur in the TF lore, rather than the issues themselves? Of course, I could be putting words in both of your mouths here at this point, so my apologies if that's what I've done.
As for IDW, I personally was rather rather happy with the inclusions of sexuality, social class, etc although I have to admit that I didn't really buy many of the comics (due to availability mainly, rather than making any political statement). I also just admit I did feel uncomfortable about the changing of established characters' sexuality (and, although I still feel a little uncomfortable about many male homosexual kissing, etc scenes depicted in media, that's my problem to deal with, not others') but was happier for "new" characters, like Knockout present such issues instead. I think that might be combination of my issues mentioned above and/or my desire to be more conservative about established lore? For example, in Star Trek, DISCO, I'm happy they have gay characters and a (genderless?) human/Trill and her (effeminate?) male partner. Please accept my apologies if I'm using the wrong terms; no offense meant. However, ST didn't suddenly retcon Picard as being a woman or DATA as being biological. The writers have included progressive and inclusive issues without the need to resort to that?
However, I also think Burn has a point about being less opinionated whilst wearing the "News Admin Trousers". Users like myself may go around, for better or for worse, bandying around their opinions, but there's no way in heck anyone here is going to ask our give me an admin position (even if I had the technical competence to perform that task). Being an admin means, I believe, being more neutral and trying to represent the site (for better or for worse?) unless the site find contrary to your own beliefs and morality, in which case it might be prudent to either try to change the site internally or step down (and in not demand you do either).
That's just my two pence's, for what it's worth (swypos and all).
Posted by primalxconvoy on January 23rd, 2022 @ 8:41pm CST
-Kanrabat- wrote:Burn wrote:Your homophobia and transphobia is shining like a lighthouse beacon, you're SUPPOSED to be a member of this staff. It's these sort of comments FROM STAFF that drive people away from this site. You, and anyone who thinks like this, are a bloody disgrace.
"Homophobia and transphobia"
Buzzwords to shut down any and all opposition that have been abused so much that they now means absolutely nothing.
Opposing strange reimagining and retconning of characters in established fictions is not a phobia. Opposing the abuses people do to game the system is not a phobia.
And further proof that the buzzwords you so like to use are pointless.
Take Blare White on youtube. I admire HER very much. SHE is smart and kind. But this gay man turned trans-woman (and completely transitioned) is AGAINST the authoritarian woke cult. Guess what? She's deemed a traitor to "all" the LGBT "community" and is accused to be a "transphobe". She's not alone.
Take Lacy Green, a very liberal feminist dared to start questioning the abuses of her peers and started listening to "the other side". BAM! "Internal misogyny".
Being "anti-woke" is not being "anti-LGBT". It's to be against an insane cult that shut down all discutions.
By your logic, being "pro-LGBT" would be "Islamophobe" because this goes against the tenets of Islam.
Try to dig a bit deeper. Look up all those gay, lesbians, trans, women, and all who DARED speak out against your tribe. Listen to what they have to say. You may learn something.
Looking at what you've both said, I think we can find both some things you can both agree upon, at least for the purpose of argument, and in good this might correlate to (IDW) (TF) comics and/or media in general.
I think you both are fairly happy with progressive social issues being part of (TF) media, but would like it handled differently? For arguments' sake, "woke" is a term to encompass those progressive/inclusive issues, so arguably, you're both in the "woke" camp, just differently?
Burn is happy for all characters to be treated equally and is fine with the sexuality, gender, appearance and other defining characteristics of (arguably) "main" characters to be adjusted or changed, whereas Kanrabat would rather such changes or inclusions (of any type, be they woke, etc) in either new characters and/or new settings (such as in "What if" scenarios, alternate universes, a plot of McGuffin to explain the changes, etc)? Burn might feel that this is akin to the "Everyone wants and airport but not through their farmland" excuse, whereas Kanrabat would disagree?
If this is true, then I would say that your main difference of opinion is more to do with the degree in how changes should occur in the TF lore, rather than the issues themselves? Of course, I could be putting words in both of your mouths here at this point, so my apologies if that's what I've done.
As for IDW, I personally was rather rather happy with the inclusions of sexuality, social class, etc although I have to admit that I didn't really buy many of the comics (due to availability mainly, rather than making any political statement). I also just admit I did feel uncomfortable about the changing of established characters' sexuality (and, although I still feel a little uncomfortable about many male homosexual kissing, etc scenes depicted in media, that's my problem to deal with, not others') but was happier for "new" characters, like Knockout present such issues instead. I think that might be combination of my issues mentioned above and/or my desire to be more conservative about established lore? For example, in Star Trek, DISCO, I'm happy they have gay characters and a (genderless?) human/Trill and her (effeminate?) male partner. Please accept my apologies if I'm using the wrong terms; no offense meant. However, ST didn't suddenly retcon Picard as being a woman or DATA as being biological. The writers have included progressive and inclusive issues without the need to resort to that?
However, I also think Burn has a point about being less opinionated whilst wearing the "News Admin Trousers". Users like myself may go around, for better or for worse, bandying around their opinions, but there's no way in heck anyone here is going to ask our give me an admin position (even if I had the technical competence to perform that task). Being an admin means, I believe, being more neutral and trying to represent the site (for better or for worse?) unless the site find contrary to your own beliefs and morality, in which case it might be prudent to either try to change the site internally or step down (and in not demand you do either).
That's just my two pence's, for what it's worth (swypos and all).
Re: IDW to Lose Transformers Comics License at the End of 2022 (2125955)
Posted by Burn on January 23rd, 2022 @ 9:21pm CST
Buzzwords huh? Buzzwords used to describe why one person hates an aspect of another person.
By your defintion then, "racism" would also be a buzzword.
I don't need to research other people, this is about YOU and how you're an embarrassment to this site because of your unprofessionalism.
Posted by Burn on January 23rd, 2022 @ 9:21pm CST
-Kanrabat- wrote:Buzzwords to shut down any and all opposition that have been abused so much that they now means absolutely nothing.
Buzzwords huh? Buzzwords used to describe why one person hates an aspect of another person.
By your defintion then, "racism" would also be a buzzword.
I don't need to research other people, this is about YOU and how you're an embarrassment to this site because of your unprofessionalism.
Re: IDW to Lose Transformers Comics License at the End of 2022 (2125956)
Posted by Burn on January 23rd, 2022 @ 10:41pm CST
Posted by Burn on January 23rd, 2022 @ 10:41pm CST
Even though there's 11 months and a few days left before we say farewell to IDW's Transformers comics, I don't think it's too soon to start remembering them.
And it's not an easy thing to do, because there's been over a decade and a half of story telling, and that's A LOT. Other companies will reboot their main titles every few years but IDW stuck with it ... well, up until recently.
For the most part, I enjoyed what IDW did. There's a few things I wasn't a fan of, and I haven't enjoyed the reboot one bit. Slow ... boring ... same old stuff with just a slightly different angle. Same can be said for the Beast Wars title.
So wherever the license ends up, they not only have big shoes to fill, but they need to come up with something fresh and not just a wash, rinse, repeat of the same old story we've gotten since the mid-80's.
And hopefully no NFT's, but if there is, I have faith in the comics ripping community.
And it's not an easy thing to do, because there's been over a decade and a half of story telling, and that's A LOT. Other companies will reboot their main titles every few years but IDW stuck with it ... well, up until recently.
For the most part, I enjoyed what IDW did. There's a few things I wasn't a fan of, and I haven't enjoyed the reboot one bit. Slow ... boring ... same old stuff with just a slightly different angle. Same can be said for the Beast Wars title.
So wherever the license ends up, they not only have big shoes to fill, but they need to come up with something fresh and not just a wash, rinse, repeat of the same old story we've gotten since the mid-80's.
And hopefully no NFT's, but if there is, I have faith in the comics ripping community.
Re: IDW to Lose Transformers Comics License at the End of 2022 (2125957)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on January 23rd, 2022 @ 10:42pm CST
So, being "professional" is to bow down to your god.
I'll remains an "atheist" thank you very much.
And for those who don't know, "woke" means being part of the authoritarian cult that see everything and everyone outside of their tight circle as an enemy. Not even human. They use their "progressiveness" as a shield and a sword to control people's lives.
The woke have nothing to do with genuine human rights and freedoms. Especially for the "marginalised" whom they are used only as tools to gain power. They have also one thing in common. They refuse to listen to the ones whom they pretend to defend if they dare to speak outside of their tribe.
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Going back on the topic of comics, I'll say it again. I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST GAY/TRANS/WHATEVER CHARACTERS FOR CRYING OUT LOUD. What piss me and many others off are the retcon of long established characters as gay/trans/whatever when they never, ever were before instead of creating ORIGINAL AND NEW characters. Furthermore, those characters must be well written, not being tokens with their sexuality being their only trait.
Thinking that makes me a monster it seems. ¯\_(⟃ ͟ʖ⟄)_/¯
Posted by -Kanrabat- on January 23rd, 2022 @ 10:42pm CST
Burn wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:Buzzwords to shut down any and all opposition that have been abused so much that they now means absolutely nothing.
Buzzwords huh? Buzzwords used to describe why one person hates an aspect of another person.
By your defintion then, "racism" would also be a buzzword.
I don't need to research other people, this is about YOU and how you're an embarrassment to this site because of your unprofessionalism.
So, being "professional" is to bow down to your god.
I'll remains an "atheist" thank you very much.
And for those who don't know, "woke" means being part of the authoritarian cult that see everything and everyone outside of their tight circle as an enemy. Not even human. They use their "progressiveness" as a shield and a sword to control people's lives.
The woke have nothing to do with genuine human rights and freedoms. Especially for the "marginalised" whom they are used only as tools to gain power. They have also one thing in common. They refuse to listen to the ones whom they pretend to defend if they dare to speak outside of their tribe.
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Going back on the topic of comics, I'll say it again. I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST GAY/TRANS/WHATEVER CHARACTERS FOR CRYING OUT LOUD. What piss me and many others off are the retcon of long established characters as gay/trans/whatever when they never, ever were before instead of creating ORIGINAL AND NEW characters. Furthermore, those characters must be well written, not being tokens with their sexuality being their only trait.
Thinking that makes me a monster it seems. ¯\_(⟃ ͟ʖ⟄)_/¯
Re: IDW to Lose Transformers Comics License at the End of 2022 (2125962)
Posted by Burn on January 23rd, 2022 @ 11:12pm CST
Wow ... not once was God or religion mentioned at all. Now you're just making shit up.
Nope.
ermagherd a character has evolved! Holy doley a character has received a new aspect of characterisation! THE SKY IS FALLING!
You realise how overly exaggerated you sound yeah? How this one little statement makes you sound like Chicken Little?
Introducing sexuality into the characters, despite what you and your ilk like to believe, wasn't as in your face as you want to make it out to be. It added another level of characterisation, it allowed the characters to be more than "hur hur hur imma shoot you in the face cause you is bad guy".
Again, no one said that.
Tell me, do you have a excavator ticket or will you just be digging yourself deeper into this hole with a good olf fashioned shovel?
Posted by Burn on January 23rd, 2022 @ 11:12pm CST
-Kanrabat- wrote:So, being "professional" is to bow down to your god.
I'll remains an "atheist" thank you very much.
Wow ... not once was God or religion mentioned at all. Now you're just making shit up.
And for those who don't know, "woke" means being part of the authoritarian cult that see everything and everyone outside of their tight circle as an enemy. Not even human. They use their "progressiveness" as a shield and a sword to control people's lives.
The woke have nothing to do with genuine human rights and freedoms. Especially for the "marginalised" whom they are used only as tools to gain power. They have also one thing in common. They refuse to listen to the ones whom they pretend to defend if they dare to speak outside of their tribe.
Nope.
What piss me and many others off are the retcon of long established characters as gay/trans/whatever when they never, ever were before instead of creating ORIGINAL AND NEW characters. Furthermore, those characters must be well written, not being tokens with their sexuality being their only trait.
ermagherd a character has evolved! Holy doley a character has received a new aspect of characterisation! THE SKY IS FALLING!
You realise how overly exaggerated you sound yeah? How this one little statement makes you sound like Chicken Little?
Introducing sexuality into the characters, despite what you and your ilk like to believe, wasn't as in your face as you want to make it out to be. It added another level of characterisation, it allowed the characters to be more than "hur hur hur imma shoot you in the face cause you is bad guy".
Thinking that makes me a monster it seems. ¯\_(⟃ ͟ʖ⟄)_/¯
Again, no one said that.
Tell me, do you have a excavator ticket or will you just be digging yourself deeper into this hole with a good olf fashioned shovel?
Re: IDW to Lose Transformers Comics License at the End of 2022 (2125972)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on January 24th, 2022 @ 4:17am CST
Posted by -Kanrabat- on January 24th, 2022 @ 4:17am CST
As expected, you refuse to listen.
You're the one who attacked me by calling me a "phobe" just because I don't like the things you like, A.K.A cringe robo-sex stories. I explained the religious parallels and shown example aplenty of progressive people who got lynched by their peers for falling out of line but like a devout, you won't listen to anything that contradict your beliefs.
But whatever.
Just keep on that path. Sooner or later, like Blair White, Lacy Green, JK Rowling, and hundreds you're f not thousands more, you will "sin". Then you'll finally see the mask fall off from your "allies" face.
You're the one who attacked me by calling me a "phobe" just because I don't like the things you like, A.K.A cringe robo-sex stories. I explained the religious parallels and shown example aplenty of progressive people who got lynched by their peers for falling out of line but like a devout, you won't listen to anything that contradict your beliefs.
But whatever.
Just keep on that path. Sooner or later, like Blair White, Lacy Green, JK Rowling, and hundreds you're f not thousands more, you will "sin". Then you'll finally see the mask fall off from your "allies" face.
Re: IDW to Lose Transformers Comics License at the End of 2022 (2125980)
Posted by AcademyofDrX on January 24th, 2022 @ 7:22am CST
Posted by AcademyofDrX on January 24th, 2022 @ 7:22am CST
Can you guys maybe take this offline? This CG stuff always derails every single comics thread. I wish it wasn't permitted to begin with, but if it's going to be, at least limit it to dedicated threads or something. I learned a long time ago that you can't debate these people.
Re: IDW to Lose Transformers Comics License at the End of 2022 (2125981)
Posted by partholon on January 24th, 2022 @ 7:27am CST
But he's not wrong is he, and all the slurs and insults dont change the facts.
woke ideology has destroyed the comic book industry.
marvel and DC are only surviving because their sugar daddies in the form of Disney and WB bankroll them for IP purposes, and IDW has only lasted THIS long because its been tapping millionaire investors for the guts of a decade. the only actually profitable wing they had was the fecking tourist maps/leaflets publishing dept they sold recently and that got hammered by covid lockdowns.
youve now got the x men being an unreadable trashfire that are actual villains , superman who's a guest in his own comicbook and being portrayed as a deadbeat dad, and batman who's a goddamn simp.
books that in recessions sold 100s of thousands reduced to in the case of superman shifting 27k. 27 fecking K !
IDW went off the cliff of wokeness after season one of RID and MTMTE and those books DIDNT expand the readership. oh the LGBTQ brigade on twitter and the vices/voxs/polygons of the world clapped like seals but they didnt buy the books and if they read em at all it was by piracy.
the rest of the readership KNOWING they be attacked by bigoted "progressives" just fecked off without saying a word and THATS why those books were canceleled. low sales. IIRC both books were circling the drain at circa 5.7k when the plug was pulled
IDW would happily be telling stories about gay transformers riding each other in the back of rollers trailer til the end of time, they just couldnt SELL it.
and thats why the reboot is doing crap cause once burnt its very easy for old timers to just leave it be and go back to just collecting the toys.
and THATS your market.
40+ year old men. theyre the backbone of the comic industry no matter what the media says and anyone that gets this liscence- if they want to be a success- have to cater to them. fringe focuse's only get fringe sales.
theres 100k customers that bought this book right up to cancellation in the 90s, theres no reason they cant get 50k in sales to them now. they have the disposable cash, the love the franchise, they just dont RECOGNISE it anymore.
EVERYTHING thats happend at IDW the last half decade or so was self inflicted and as chris ryall himself said on twitter, he was HAPPY to run off the readership.
Posted by partholon on January 24th, 2022 @ 7:27am CST
Burn wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:Western comics have been in a downward spiral ever since the woke cancer started seeping through. IDW was no exception.
If I had a dollar for every stupid thing you've said on this site, I could afford a Shining Ultra Magnus, this post alone would fund about half of it.
Your homophobia and transphobia is shining like a lighthouse beacon, you're SUPPOSED to be a member of this staff. It's these sort of comments FROM STAFF that drive people away from this site. You, and anyone who thinks like this, are a bloody disgrace.
Remember More Than Meets The Eye and how well it was received by the fans? Remember how it brought a whole bunch of new people to the fandom? Remember how when it was announced we would have to say goodbye to the crew of The Lost Light that there was a massive out pouring from the fans who would be sad to see it go? And remember how sales of IDW's TF titles began a slow decline following the reboot?
Maybe instead of being so close minded you should take the blinkers off and have a look around at the world. It's changing, heck, society as a whole has been doing that for centuries. By all means, continue to live in your little bubble and grow to be a bitter old man who collects scantily clad dolls.
But do everyone a favour. Quit the Seibertron.com staff please, you're an embarrassment.
But he's not wrong is he, and all the slurs and insults dont change the facts.
woke ideology has destroyed the comic book industry.
marvel and DC are only surviving because their sugar daddies in the form of Disney and WB bankroll them for IP purposes, and IDW has only lasted THIS long because its been tapping millionaire investors for the guts of a decade. the only actually profitable wing they had was the fecking tourist maps/leaflets publishing dept they sold recently and that got hammered by covid lockdowns.
youve now got the x men being an unreadable trashfire that are actual villains , superman who's a guest in his own comicbook and being portrayed as a deadbeat dad, and batman who's a goddamn simp.
books that in recessions sold 100s of thousands reduced to in the case of superman shifting 27k. 27 fecking K !
IDW went off the cliff of wokeness after season one of RID and MTMTE and those books DIDNT expand the readership. oh the LGBTQ brigade on twitter and the vices/voxs/polygons of the world clapped like seals but they didnt buy the books and if they read em at all it was by piracy.
the rest of the readership KNOWING they be attacked by bigoted "progressives" just fecked off without saying a word and THATS why those books were canceleled. low sales. IIRC both books were circling the drain at circa 5.7k when the plug was pulled
IDW would happily be telling stories about gay transformers riding each other in the back of rollers trailer til the end of time, they just couldnt SELL it.
and thats why the reboot is doing crap cause once burnt its very easy for old timers to just leave it be and go back to just collecting the toys.
and THATS your market.
40+ year old men. theyre the backbone of the comic industry no matter what the media says and anyone that gets this liscence- if they want to be a success- have to cater to them. fringe focuse's only get fringe sales.
theres 100k customers that bought this book right up to cancellation in the 90s, theres no reason they cant get 50k in sales to them now. they have the disposable cash, the love the franchise, they just dont RECOGNISE it anymore.
EVERYTHING thats happend at IDW the last half decade or so was self inflicted and as chris ryall himself said on twitter, he was HAPPY to run off the readership.
Re: IDW to Lose Transformers Comics License at the End of 2022 (2125982)
Posted by AcademyofDrX on January 24th, 2022 @ 7:33am CST
Posted by AcademyofDrX on January 24th, 2022 @ 7:33am CST
You can't have it both ways. Either comics should be appealing to an audience outside the direct market as in the case of Demon Slayer, or they should only be caring about the old guys in the direct market. If it's the latter, woke or not, you just don't have a big enough audience to put up real numbers.
Comics is fine, look at all the success the Young Adult publishers are having. There are more teenage girls who buy comics than anti-woke men who aren't.
Comics is fine, look at all the success the Young Adult publishers are having. There are more teenage girls who buy comics than anti-woke men who aren't.
Re: IDW to Lose Transformers Comics License at the End of 2022 (2125983)
Posted by primalxconvoy on January 24th, 2022 @ 7:40am CST
Posted by primalxconvoy on January 24th, 2022 @ 7:40am CST
Well, I'm in my 40s and I'm happy for "woke" issues to be included in the stories, and anything that makes the stories more interesting. As stated before, I'm happier if sexuality was introduced to new characters, or for (scripted?) reasons rather than change existing characters too much. I don't buy comics because they're expensive and I feel they're hard to get. I once emailed IDW to ask about how too get hold of their comics and they never bothered to even send an auto-reply, so I hardly bothered buying their stuff.
I think more people aren't buying comics because they're not as relevant as they once were. I would be more interested in stand alone graphic novels that I knew I could get maybe once a year and not have to worry about missing out of the story due to special editions, etc.
I think more people aren't buying comics because they're not as relevant as they once were. I would be more interested in stand alone graphic novels that I knew I could get maybe once a year and not have to worry about missing out of the story due to special editions, etc.
Re: IDW to Lose Transformers Comics License at the End of 2022 (2125985)
Posted by partholon on January 24th, 2022 @ 7:53am CST
Posted by partholon on January 24th, 2022 @ 7:53am CST
kinda proves my point though.
they made the books you'd like and ya didnt turn up.
ive been buying since g1, when dreamwave fecked up their international licence agreement i got the books posted to me from the UK from a third party (oneshallstand.com, good aul steve bax) so i could keep collecting.
i went trade with IDW circa lost light and stopped completely after the hatcht job that was optimus prime. who's only redeeming element was the EXCELLENT kei zama art.
transformers is the LAST book i want to see gender or identity politics in. its simply IMO not that genre.
i'll keep an eye ont the new book but TBH i probably wont buy it till at LEAST a trade is out to get a grasp on what their doing as with the absolute state the industry is in theyll have to convince me they have good intentions.
its what i did with the IDW reboot and thank god for that. saved meself a fortune.
they made the books you'd like and ya didnt turn up.
ive been buying since g1, when dreamwave fecked up their international licence agreement i got the books posted to me from the UK from a third party (oneshallstand.com, good aul steve bax) so i could keep collecting.
i went trade with IDW circa lost light and stopped completely after the hatcht job that was optimus prime. who's only redeeming element was the EXCELLENT kei zama art.
transformers is the LAST book i want to see gender or identity politics in. its simply IMO not that genre.
i'll keep an eye ont the new book but TBH i probably wont buy it till at LEAST a trade is out to get a grasp on what their doing as with the absolute state the industry is in theyll have to convince me they have good intentions.
its what i did with the IDW reboot and thank god for that. saved meself a fortune.
Re: IDW to Lose Transformers Comics License at the End of 2022 (2125990)
Posted by Big Grim on January 24th, 2022 @ 9:52am CST
18 odd years. Not a bad run! They did do a lot of good stuff. The initial "-ation" mini-series did G1 in an interesting way. After "All Hail Megatron" it was MTMTE and Lost Light for me, primarily. I had zero issues with some of the so-called retconning of sexuality in characters as, by and large, none of them had a sexuality. They were all written as robot buddies in the old days.
I wonder what that would be like. Could we go dark and gritty? War is not a pretty business after all.
I admit the only things I know about Skybound is that it's Robert Kirkman' publishing company, right? Part of Image Comics? Having read "The Walking Dead" and "Invincible", something by Kirkman could be interesting.
~ Grim
Posted by Big Grim on January 24th, 2022 @ 9:52am CST
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:IDW did a lot good, including the longest-running continuity ever, the breakthroughs so many creators were given, and truly allowing for some awesome new and original stuff to come out. I will forever appreciate a lot of that material.
18 odd years. Not a bad run! They did do a lot of good stuff. The initial "-ation" mini-series did G1 in an interesting way. After "All Hail Megatron" it was MTMTE and Lost Light for me, primarily. I had zero issues with some of the so-called retconning of sexuality in characters as, by and large, none of them had a sexuality. They were all written as robot buddies in the old days.
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:I hope that the new license holder goes a whole new direction. G1 redone will not fly again after the latest continuity run. I want to see something truly new and original. That is my dream, as far fetched as it might be.
I wonder what that would be like. Could we go dark and gritty? War is not a pretty business after all.
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Also, if Skybound gets the license, please for the love of all things good keep NFTs away from Transformers. That trend just needs to go away.
I admit the only things I know about Skybound is that it's Robert Kirkman' publishing company, right? Part of Image Comics? Having read "The Walking Dead" and "Invincible", something by Kirkman could be interesting.
~ Grim
Re: IDW to Lose Transformers Comics License at the End of 2022 (2125991)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on January 24th, 2022 @ 10:01am CST
That's certainly proven a sticking point in the franchise. Post-Furman IDW seemingly didn't want to write 'war'. So a couple of poorly executed narrative leaps later and war was largely removed from the series. Replaced by talking heads and guffaws.
Then again, G1 only did full on war properly once, in The Movie. The fans at the time didn't like when their favourite suddenly started dying to actual soldiers in combat.
The larger question being would Hasbro allow Transformers to be depicted as such? As a war-based comic?? It is still a "kids brand", after all. Although I think the topic could be used to broach and allegory real world attitudes and events. In a more meaningful way than the individual humanising of MTMTE/LL. But again, fans might complain when wise-cracking but ineffective fighters die en masse.
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on January 24th, 2022 @ 10:01am CST
Big Grim wrote:I wonder what that would be like. Could we go dark and gritty? War is not a pretty business after all.~ Grim
That's certainly proven a sticking point in the franchise. Post-Furman IDW seemingly didn't want to write 'war'. So a couple of poorly executed narrative leaps later and war was largely removed from the series. Replaced by talking heads and guffaws.
Then again, G1 only did full on war properly once, in The Movie. The fans at the time didn't like when their favourite suddenly started dying to actual soldiers in combat.
The larger question being would Hasbro allow Transformers to be depicted as such? As a war-based comic?? It is still a "kids brand", after all. Although I think the topic could be used to broach and allegory real world attitudes and events. In a more meaningful way than the individual humanising of MTMTE/LL. But again, fans might complain when wise-cracking but ineffective fighters die en masse.
Re: IDW to Lose Transformers Comics License at the End of 2022 (2125992)
Posted by AcademyofDrX on January 24th, 2022 @ 10:13am CST
I don't necessarily disagree with your summary, but I would point out that while IDW did move past war with the unified Cybertron and NAILs storylines, that was very much a kind of war narrative: post-war nation building. You have themes like refugee resettlement, war crimes trials, factional governments, and so on. So in one sense they stopped writing war, but in another they were still completely in stories of war.
Maybe another way to state this is that it stopped being a warfare or combat narrative, even as it's still a war story.
Posted by AcademyofDrX on January 24th, 2022 @ 10:13am CST
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Big Grim wrote:I wonder what that would be like. Could we go dark and gritty? War is not a pretty business after all.~ Grim
That's certainly proven a sticking point in the franchise. Post-Furman IDW seemingly didn't want to write 'war'. So a couple of poorly executed narrative leaps later and war was largely removed from the series. Replaced by talking heads and guffaws.
Then again, G1 only did full on war properly once, in The Movie. The fans at the time didn't like when their favourite suddenly started dying to actual soldiers in combat.
The larger question being would Hasbro allow Transformers to be depicted as such? As a war-based comic?? It is still a "kids brand", after all. Although I think the topic could be used to broach and allegory real world attitudes and events. In a more meaningful way than the individual humanising of MTMTE/LL. But again, fans might complain when wise-cracking but ineffective fighters die en masse.
I don't necessarily disagree with your summary, but I would point out that while IDW did move past war with the unified Cybertron and NAILs storylines, that was very much a kind of war narrative: post-war nation building. You have themes like refugee resettlement, war crimes trials, factional governments, and so on. So in one sense they stopped writing war, but in another they were still completely in stories of war.
Maybe another way to state this is that it stopped being a warfare or combat narrative, even as it's still a war story.
