Hasbro Designer Shows Pointblank's Design Approach Through Cost Restrictions
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As you may recall, Siege Crosshairs was releaed with no Targetmaster and one of Hasbro's main designers, Mark Maher, did not want that to repeat for Pointblank. At the same time, they wanted to also give fans a deluxe class figure of similar standards, so that's why below you will see a bunch of notes related tocost when designing a figure. It's interesting to see that the designer wanted to ensure a strong hinge for the clear plastic cockpit, so wrist articulation was removed in favour of that. Hasbro is sparing nosecrets from us here and you can see how everything was decided to bring you the toy you'll get.
One very interesting note is that the person who designed the transformation is Shogo Hasui, the same legendary designer who gave us MP-10, MP Sideswipe, CW Devastator, HFTD Starscream, Prime Starscream and even the classics seeker mold. It was his idea to give Pointblank his comic head rather than his Headmasters head. So if you don't like the final resulting headsculpt, you can blame Takara. The full post is after these images.
One very interesting note is that the person who designed the transformation is Shogo Hasui, the same legendary designer who gave us MP-10, MP Sideswipe, CW Devastator, HFTD Starscream, Prime Starscream and even the classics seeker mold. It was his idea to give Pointblank his comic head rather than his Headmasters head. So if you don't like the final resulting headsculpt, you can blame Takara. The full post is after these images.
"Deluxe Legacy Pointblank and his Targetmaster Peacemaker are finally here to hop into your collection! . Had to break out my mint Crosshairs to showcase how both of these bots looked together.
I had the pleasure of doing the deco for Crosshairs and I was kinda bummed I wasn’t able to get Pinpointer in there. This time around since I lead the design of this guy I thought it was essential to add in Peacemaker. I soon realized how cost challenging it was to include a target master at a Deluxe scale and pricepoint. . The first image is my own redraw concept art of Pointblank and Peacemaker. Ive been really using alot of reference art that everyone already knows and loves, especially with tight schedules, they seem to be great for kicking off the project. You can see the reuse of the comics art alt mode here was perfect to use. I absolutely love this rendition of his cybertronian race car alt mode.
Hasui san took the reigns and made the great suggestion of doing the fin styled head that was never made in toyform. Anything that is in the g1 cartoon is a go for me even if its from the later seasons. . You can see an additional weapon engine accessory was costed out along with a bunch of other comments made to fine tune this guy. Hasui really had so many tweaks in order to fix up this guy, I just couldn’t find a way to showcase them all here. I added my comments to ensure we were aligned on trying to make this the best version of Pointblank ever.
You can see the targetmaster is blast effect compatible. There is elbow swivel on Pointblank for those that have been asking, but the articulation range on this guy really gives you a plethora of posing options and is really fun to tinker with. The arm transformation was a treat and I can’t wait for yall to get these guys!
Have a great weekend and thank you all for bringing your passion and support to the Transformers universe!"
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Re: Hasbro Designer Shows Pointblank's Design Approach Through Cost Restrictions (2142207)
Posted by Rodimus Prime on August 19th, 2022 @ 1:32pm CDT
Posted by Rodimus Prime on August 19th, 2022 @ 1:32pm CDT
Very informative, but it's in the wrong thread. 
Re: Hasbro Designer Shows Pointblank's Design Approach Through Cost Restrictions (2142214)
Posted by william-james88 on August 19th, 2022 @ 3:32pm CDT
Ah, fuck
Posted by william-james88 on August 19th, 2022 @ 3:32pm CDT
Rodimus Prime wrote:Very informative, but it's in the wrong thread.
Ah, fuck
Re: Hasbro Designer Shows Pointblank's Design Approach Through Cost Restrictions (2142218)
Posted by RodimusPrimeUkraine1 on August 19th, 2022 @ 3:42pm CDT
Posted by RodimusPrimeUkraine1 on August 19th, 2022 @ 3:42pm CDT
Included: tacky edited in captions for maximum cringe.
Re: Hasbro Designer Shows Pointblank's Design Approach Through Cost Restrictions (2142223)
Posted by Dr. Caelus on August 19th, 2022 @ 4:26pm CDT
Posted by Dr. Caelus on August 19th, 2022 @ 4:26pm CDT
$8.49 at Target last night. Pulled him straight out of the case with Wheelie. One of his blasters fell out of the package when I pulled it out. Probably not the smartest packaging ever.
Re: Hasbro Designer Shows Pointblank's Design Approach Through Cost Restrictions (2142224)
Posted by ZeroWolf on August 19th, 2022 @ 4:59pm CDT
Posted by ZeroWolf on August 19th, 2022 @ 4:59pm CDT
That is a brilliant use of Kingdom mainframe 
Re: Hasbro Designer Shows Pointblank's Design Approach Through Cost Restrictions (2142225)
Posted by RodimusPrimeUkraine1 on August 19th, 2022 @ 5:22pm CDT
Posted by RodimusPrimeUkraine1 on August 19th, 2022 @ 5:22pm CDT
Can't wait to get Rumble in hand, sure Frenzy will be great.
Maybe we will get a solid Eject here?
WFC Ravage was trash, I hope we get a better one in 86
We might get a new Lazerbeak, but the earthrise/siege is good enough I think.
Maybe we will get a solid Eject here?
WFC Ravage was trash, I hope we get a better one in 86
We might get a new Lazerbeak, but the earthrise/siege is good enough I think.
Re: Hasbro Designer Shows Pointblank's Design Approach Through Cost Restrictions (2142278)
Posted by optimeow on August 20th, 2022 @ 12:20pm CDT
Posted by optimeow on August 20th, 2022 @ 12:20pm CDT
Now, this makes me think that a redeco with a different head will be released in future.
Hasbro has used this tactic many times.
Buy this thinking that it will be the only one but nope, here comes another one.
Then for some reason, this will be the rarer variant in a more distant future !
Hasbro has used this tactic many times.
Buy this thinking that it will be the only one but nope, here comes another one.
Then for some reason, this will be the rarer variant in a more distant future !
Re: Hasbro Designer Shows Pointblank's Design Approach Through Cost Restrictions (2142279)
Posted by Sabrblade on August 20th, 2022 @ 12:23pm CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on August 20th, 2022 @ 12:23pm CDT
Which item are you referring to? (there's no news post on this page of the forum thread)optimeow wrote:Now, this makes me think that a redeco with a different head will be released in future.
Hasbro has used this tactic many times.
Buy this thinking that it will be the only one but nope, here comes another one.
Then for some reason, this will be the rarer variant in a more distant future !
Re: Hasbro Designer Shows Pointblank's Design Approach Through Cost Restrictions (2142283)
Posted by Till-all-R1 on August 20th, 2022 @ 12:58pm CDT
That actually makes for pretty neat diorama! I may now have to invest in a few of those core bots to display with "Teletran-1".
Posted by Till-all-R1 on August 20th, 2022 @ 12:58pm CDT
Dr. Caelus wrote:
That actually makes for pretty neat diorama! I may now have to invest in a few of those core bots to display with "Teletran-1".
Re: Hasbro Designer Shows Pointblank's Design Approach Through Cost Restrictions (2142286)
Posted by RodimusPrimeUkraine1 on August 20th, 2022 @ 1:37pm CDT
My post I think. Rumble.
Posted by RodimusPrimeUkraine1 on August 20th, 2022 @ 1:37pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:Which item are you referring to? (there's no news post on this page of the forum thread)optimeow wrote:Now, this makes me think that a redeco with a different head will be released in future.
Hasbro has used this tactic many times.
Buy this thinking that it will be the only one but nope, here comes another one.
Then for some reason, this will be the rarer variant in a more distant future !
My post I think. Rumble.
Re: Hasbro Designer Shows Pointblank's Design Approach Through Cost Restrictions (2142288)
Posted by william-james88 on August 20th, 2022 @ 2:25pm CDT
Pointblank
Posted by william-james88 on August 20th, 2022 @ 2:25pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:Which item are you referring to? (there's no news post on this page of the forum thread)optimeow wrote:Now, this makes me think that a redeco with a different head will be released in future.
Hasbro has used this tactic many times.
Buy this thinking that it will be the only one but nope, here comes another one.
Then for some reason, this will be the rarer variant in a more distant future !
Pointblank
Re: Hasbro Designer Shows Pointblank's Design Approach Through Cost Restrictions (2142289)
Posted by ZeroWolf on August 20th, 2022 @ 2:26pm CDT
I think more like Point Blank or possibly Transmetal Megatron. Will's newspost was erroneously posted in this thread.
Posted by ZeroWolf on August 20th, 2022 @ 2:26pm CDT
RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Which item are you referring to? (there's no news post on this page of the forum thread)optimeow wrote:Now, this makes me think that a redeco with a different head will be released in future.
Hasbro has used this tactic many times.
Buy this thinking that it will be the only one but nope, here comes another one.
Then for some reason, this will be the rarer variant in a more distant future !
My post I think. Rumble.
I think more like Point Blank or possibly Transmetal Megatron. Will's newspost was erroneously posted in this thread.
Re: Hasbro Designer Shows Pointblank's Design Approach Through Cost Restrictions (2142291)
Posted by RodimusPrimeUkraine1 on August 20th, 2022 @ 2:42pm CDT
I remember that. Ok
Posted by RodimusPrimeUkraine1 on August 20th, 2022 @ 2:42pm CDT
ZeroWolf wrote:RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Which item are you referring to? (there's no news post on this page of the forum thread)optimeow wrote:Now, this makes me think that a redeco with a different head will be released in future.
Hasbro has used this tactic many times.
Buy this thinking that it will be the only one but nope, here comes another one.
Then for some reason, this will be the rarer variant in a more distant future !
My post I think. Rumble.
I think more like Point Blank or possibly Transmetal Megatron. Will's newspost was erroneously posted in this thread.
I remember that. Ok
Re: Hasbro Designer Shows Pointblank's Design Approach Through Cost Restrictions (2142376)
Posted by Gauntlet101010 on August 21st, 2022 @ 10:54pm CDT
Posted by Gauntlet101010 on August 21st, 2022 @ 10:54pm CDT
Got Perceptor a few days ago. Very solid figure. I need to find my TR version to compare the two. I like that he's not a headmaster.
Last time I get a Perceptor. We're done. I feel like this is a really solid figure to end on. I miss the telescoping thing his microscope did in G1. I also miss that the mirror bit is no longer a mirror nor separate from the slide holder. But this is my being picky. I still like it.
Last time I get a Perceptor. We're done. I feel like this is a really solid figure to end on. I miss the telescoping thing his microscope did in G1. I also miss that the mirror bit is no longer a mirror nor separate from the slide holder. But this is my being picky. I still like it.
Re: Hasbro Designer Shows Pointblank's Design Approach Through Cost Restrictions (2142385)
Posted by Rodimus Prime on August 22nd, 2022 @ 1:09am CDT
SS86
G1
TR
I do think they all have their positives, but I didn't care for the TR version's chest, and I also didn't like that he was a headmaster, but I did like the sniper rifle, and I do think it's hard to tell he's a headmaster if you don't know it previously.
Posted by Rodimus Prime on August 22nd, 2022 @ 1:09am CDT
I had the TR version, as well as the original G1, and have SS86. I would rank themGauntlet101010 wrote:Got Perceptor a few days ago. Very solid figure. I need to find my TR version to compare the two. I like that he's not a headmaster.
SS86
G1
TR
I do think they all have their positives, but I didn't care for the TR version's chest, and I also didn't like that he was a headmaster, but I did like the sniper rifle, and I do think it's hard to tell he's a headmaster if you don't know it previously.
This is a really well done representation of the character. I wish we would get a comic-accurate Selects version that is red and blue, no teal and black parts.Last time I get a Perceptor. We're done. I feel like this is a really solid figure to end on. I miss the telescoping thing his microscope did in G1. I also miss that the mirror bit is no longer a mirror nor separate from the slide holder. But this is my being picky. I still like it.
Re: Hasbro Designer Shows Pointblank's Design Approach Through Cost Restrictions (2142401)
Posted by sol magnus on August 22nd, 2022 @ 9:22am CDT
Perceptor is a deluxe, man. And a damn fine one at that.
Posted by sol magnus on August 22nd, 2022 @ 9:22am CDT
blackeyedprime wrote:Got ss86 Perceptor today... If he has his tank mode then no reason £35 Ironhide couldn't have his sled.
Perceptor is a deluxe, man. And a damn fine one at that.
Re: Hasbro Designer Shows Pointblank's Design Approach Through Cost Restrictions (2142403)
Posted by RodimusPrimeUkraine1 on August 22nd, 2022 @ 9:32am CDT
Posted by RodimusPrimeUkraine1 on August 22nd, 2022 @ 9:32am CDT
Any saw the post about tfnation and the 86 movie drafts on tfw2005?
Now I want them all somehow.
Funny how Kranix was going to be a rock lord (likely to make fun of the rival go bot movie)
And Kup was going to be a tank and wear an eye patch.
That's an interesting look for Blurr, and I wonder what convinced them to change the slow talker part.
And rails is way overpowered
Literally a train AND a dragon!
https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/attachme ... .29617639/
Now I want them all somehow.
Funny how Kranix was going to be a rock lord (likely to make fun of the rival go bot movie)
And Kup was going to be a tank and wear an eye patch.
That's an interesting look for Blurr, and I wonder what convinced them to change the slow talker part.
And rails is way overpowered
Literally a train AND a dragon!
https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/attachme ... .29617639/
Re: Hasbro Designer Shows Pointblank's Design Approach Through Cost Restrictions (2142404)
Posted by RodimusPrimeUkraine1 on August 22nd, 2022 @ 9:35am CDT
The tank mode is EASY to work in, so why primus not?
But Ironhide had to have a sled or no parts form. And they decided the anti partsform fans would be more upset than the sled fans if they didn't get their way.
Posted by RodimusPrimeUkraine1 on August 22nd, 2022 @ 9:35am CDT
sol magnus wrote:blackeyedprime wrote:Got ss86 Perceptor today... If he has his tank mode then no reason £35 Ironhide couldn't have his sled.
Perceptor is a deluxe, man. And a damn fine one at that.
The tank mode is EASY to work in, so why primus not?
But Ironhide had to have a sled or no parts form. And they decided the anti partsform fans would be more upset than the sled fans if they didn't get their way.
Re: Hasbro Designer Shows Pointblank's Design Approach Through Cost Restrictions (2142411)
Posted by william-james88 on August 22nd, 2022 @ 10:43am CDT
Posted by william-james88 on August 22nd, 2022 @ 10:43am CDT
Once again, SS86 perceptor can't do the real tank mode.
Re: Hasbro Designer Shows Pointblank's Design Approach Through Cost Restrictions (2142412)
Posted by ZeroWolf on August 22nd, 2022 @ 10:49am CDT
Ever feel like you're shouting into the void?
Posted by ZeroWolf on August 22nd, 2022 @ 10:49am CDT
william-james88 wrote:Once again, SS86 perceptor can't do the real tank mode.
Ever feel like you're shouting into the void?
Re: Hasbro Designer Shows Pointblank's Design Approach Through Cost Restrictions (2142413)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on August 22nd, 2022 @ 10:54am CDT
Blame it on the original G1 Instructions only acknowledging the Mobile Cannon mode, and not the flat Tank mode. Even Takara's don't!
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on August 22nd, 2022 @ 10:54am CDT
ZeroWolf wrote:william-james88 wrote:Once again, SS86 perceptor can't do the real tank mode.
Ever feel like you're shouting into the void?
Blame it on the original G1 Instructions only acknowledging the Mobile Cannon mode, and not the flat Tank mode. Even Takara's don't!
Re: Hasbro Designer Shows Pointblank's Design Approach Through Cost Restrictions (2142415)
Posted by RodimusPrimeUkraine1 on August 22nd, 2022 @ 11:07am CDT
Agreed.
Posted by RodimusPrimeUkraine1 on August 22nd, 2022 @ 11:07am CDT
Jelze Bunnycat wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:william-james88 wrote:Once again, SS86 perceptor can't do the real tank mode.
Ever feel like you're shouting into the void?
Blame it on the original G1 Instructions only acknowledging the Mobile Cannon mode, and not the flat Tank mode. Even Takara's don't!
Agreed.
Re: Hasbro Designer Shows Pointblank's Design Approach Through Cost Restrictions (2142416)
Posted by Sabrblade on August 22nd, 2022 @ 11:34am CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on August 22nd, 2022 @ 11:34am CDT
Over here.RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:Any saw the post about tfnation and the 86 movie drafts on tfw2005?
Now I want them all somehow.
Funny how Kranix was going to be a rock lord (likely to make fun of the rival go bot movie)
And Kup was going to be a tank and wear an eye patch.
That's an interesting look for Blurr, and I wonder what convinced them to change the slow talker part.
And rails is way overpowered
Literally a train AND a dragon!
https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/attachme ... .29617639/
Re: Hasbro Designer Shows Pointblank's Design Approach Through Cost Restrictions (2142426)
Posted by RodimusPrimeUkraine1 on August 22nd, 2022 @ 1:43pm CDT
nice
Posted by RodimusPrimeUkraine1 on August 22nd, 2022 @ 1:43pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:Over here.RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:Any saw the post about tfnation and the 86 movie drafts on tfw2005?
Now I want them all somehow.
Funny how Kranix was going to be a rock lord (likely to make fun of the rival go bot movie)
And Kup was going to be a tank and wear an eye patch.
That's an interesting look for Blurr, and I wonder what convinced them to change the slow talker part.
And rails is way overpowered
Literally a train AND a dragon!
https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/attachme ... .29617639/
nice
Re: Hasbro Designer Shows Pointblank's Design Approach Through Cost Restrictions (2142464)
Posted by Rtron on August 22nd, 2022 @ 6:45pm CDT
But there's already a Generations Ironhide / Ratchet with sled? And Perceptor's mobile mode is easy to include, that's why it's there. Way, waaaaaaay easier to include than Ironhide's sled, in an Ironhide toy that attempts to be accurate to the cartoon, specially if you want it to be a deluxe...
Posted by Rtron on August 22nd, 2022 @ 6:45pm CDT
RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:sol magnus wrote:blackeyedprime wrote:Got ss86 Perceptor today... If he has his tank mode then no reason £35 Ironhide couldn't have his sled.
Perceptor is a deluxe, man. And a damn fine one at that.
The tank mode is EASY to work in, so why primus not?
But Ironhide had to have a sled or no parts form. And they decided the anti partsform fans would be more upset than the sled fans if they didn't get their way.
But there's already a Generations Ironhide / Ratchet with sled? And Perceptor's mobile mode is easy to include, that's why it's there. Way, waaaaaaay easier to include than Ironhide's sled, in an Ironhide toy that attempts to be accurate to the cartoon, specially if you want it to be a deluxe...
Re: Hasbro Designer Shows Pointblank's Design Approach Through Cost Restrictions (2142473)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on August 22nd, 2022 @ 8:11pm CDT
Those exclusive ER deluxes don't really count because the partforming roof can only be the "sled" with 3D printed bonus parts.
As for the proper Ironhide/Ratchet with the true sled, they were botcon repaints of this guy:
Too bad those are absurdly rare and expensive.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on August 22nd, 2022 @ 8:11pm CDT
Rtron wrote:RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:sol magnus wrote:blackeyedprime wrote:Got ss86 Perceptor today... If he has his tank mode then no reason £35 Ironhide couldn't have his sled.
Perceptor is a deluxe, man. And a damn fine one at that.
The tank mode is EASY to work in, so why primus not?
But Ironhide had to have a sled or no parts form. And they decided the anti partsform fans would be more upset than the sled fans if they didn't get their way.
But there's already a Generations Ironhide / Ratchet with sled? And Perceptor's mobile mode is easy to include, that's why it's there. Way, waaaaaaay easier to include than Ironhide's sled, in an Ironhide toy that attempts to be accurate to the cartoon, specially if you want it to be a deluxe...
Those exclusive ER deluxes don't really count because the partforming roof can only be the "sled" with 3D printed bonus parts.
As for the proper Ironhide/Ratchet with the true sled, they were botcon repaints of this guy:
Too bad those are absurdly rare and expensive.
Re: Hasbro Designer Shows Pointblank's Design Approach Through Cost Restrictions (2142487)
Posted by RodimusPrimeUkraine1 on August 22nd, 2022 @ 9:05pm CDT
I disagree. Perceptor's mobile lab mode is extremely simple, and what's bad about it, no one wiould be upset. It's an optional mode.
Posted by RodimusPrimeUkraine1 on August 22nd, 2022 @ 9:05pm CDT
Rtron wrote:RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:sol magnus wrote:blackeyedprime wrote:Got ss86 Perceptor today... If he has his tank mode then no reason £35 Ironhide couldn't have his sled.
Perceptor is a deluxe, man. And a damn fine one at that.
The tank mode is EASY to work in, so why primus not?
But Ironhide had to have a sled or no parts form. And they decided the anti partsform fans would be more upset than the sled fans if they didn't get their way.
But there's already a Generations Ironhide / Ratchet with sled? And Perceptor's mobile mode is easy to include, that's why it's there. Way, waaaaaaay easier to include than Ironhide's sled, in an Ironhide toy that attempts to be accurate to the cartoon, specially if you want it to be a deluxe...
I disagree. Perceptor's mobile lab mode is extremely simple, and what's bad about it, no one wiould be upset. It's an optional mode.
Re: Hasbro Designer Shows Pointblank's Design Approach Through Cost Restrictions (2142523)
Posted by Wolfman Jake on August 22nd, 2022 @ 11:12pm CDT
Yikes...those circa 2005 FunPub head sculpts have NOT aged well.
Posted by Wolfman Jake on August 22nd, 2022 @ 11:12pm CDT
-Kanrabat- wrote:
Yikes...those circa 2005 FunPub head sculpts have NOT aged well.
Re: Hasbro Designer Shows Pointblank's Design Approach Through Cost Restrictions (2142525)
Posted by Sabrblade on August 22nd, 2022 @ 11:16pm CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on August 22nd, 2022 @ 11:16pm CDT
They weren't that good back then either.Wolfman Jake wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:
Yikes...those circa 2005 FunPub head sculpts have NOT aged well.
Re: Hasbro Designer Shows Pointblank's Design Approach Through Cost Restrictions (2142527)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on August 22nd, 2022 @ 11:27pm CDT
Regardless I still want them... if it weren't for their price.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on August 22nd, 2022 @ 11:27pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:They weren't that good back then either.
Regardless I still want them... if it weren't for their price.
Re: Hasbro Designer Shows Pointblank's Design Approach Through Cost Restrictions (2142528)
Posted by Sabrblade on August 22nd, 2022 @ 11:31pm CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on August 22nd, 2022 @ 11:31pm CDT
Indeed. The heads aren't great, but the bodies sure are.-Kanrabat- wrote:Sabrblade wrote:They weren't that good back then either.
Regardless I still want them... if it weren't for their price.
Re: Hasbro Designer Shows Pointblank's Design Approach Through Cost Restrictions (2142531)
Posted by Razorbeast88 on August 22nd, 2022 @ 11:33pm CDT
Ah so the mold has a case of butterface
Posted by Razorbeast88 on August 22nd, 2022 @ 11:33pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:Indeed. The heads aren't great, but the bodies sure are.-Kanrabat- wrote:Sabrblade wrote:They weren't that good back then either.
Regardless I still want them... if it weren't for their price.
Ah so the mold has a case of butterface
Re: Hasbro Designer Shows Pointblank's Design Approach Through Cost Restrictions (2142532)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on August 22nd, 2022 @ 11:35pm CDT
I think it would have worked perfectly if they had kept the original head without any remolding.
Well, because the original is so cheap and easy to find, I guess I'll just have to customise my own Energon Ratchet and Ironhide.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on August 22nd, 2022 @ 11:35pm CDT
Razorbeast88 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Indeed. The heads aren't great, but the bodies sure are.-Kanrabat- wrote:Sabrblade wrote:They weren't that good back then either.
Regardless I still want them... if it weren't for their price.
Ah so the mold has a case of butterface
I think it would have worked perfectly if they had kept the original head without any remolding.
Well, because the original is so cheap and easy to find, I guess I'll just have to customise my own Energon Ratchet and Ironhide.
Re: Hasbro Designer Shows Pointblank's Design Approach Through Cost Restrictions (2142537)
Posted by Emerje on August 23rd, 2022 @ 12:25am CDT
Yep, those head sculpts didn't work me back then and they haven't grown on me yet.
And the sled is relic of the past that I'll be happy to never see again. It was a solution to a problem that hasn't existed since 1984, no need to break any more figures just to bring it back.
Emerje
Posted by Emerje on August 23rd, 2022 @ 12:25am CDT
Wolfman Jake wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:
Yikes...those circa 2005 FunPub head sculpts have NOT aged well.
Yep, those head sculpts didn't work me back then and they haven't grown on me yet.
And the sled is relic of the past that I'll be happy to never see again. It was a solution to a problem that hasn't existed since 1984, no need to break any more figures just to bring it back.
Emerje
Re: Hasbro Designer Shows Pointblank's Design Approach Through Cost Restrictions (2142569)
Posted by Till-all-R1 on August 23rd, 2022 @ 12:30pm CDT
Posted by Till-all-R1 on August 23rd, 2022 @ 12:30pm CDT
Anyone wanting a sled and upset that it's not included in this over priced DLX toy I'm sure this isn't the last we've seen of G! version of Ironhide and you'll likely see a sled version for a generations release or as some kind of exclusive.
I don't really understand it fuss for something so very niche, but to each their own.
I don't really understand it fuss for something so very niche, but to each their own.
Re: Hasbro Designer Shows Pointblank's Design Approach Through Cost Restrictions (2142588)
Posted by RodimusPrimeUkraine1 on August 23rd, 2022 @ 3:12pm CDT
Same. If we would have gotten the sled, these same people would be complaining that its parts form.
Posted by RodimusPrimeUkraine1 on August 23rd, 2022 @ 3:12pm CDT
Till-all-R1 wrote:Anyone wanting a sled and upset that it's not included in this over priced DLX toy I'm sure this isn't the last we've seen of G! version of Ironhide and you'll likely see a sled version for a generations release or as some kind of exclusive.
I don't really understand it fuss for something so very niche, but to each their own.
Same. If we would have gotten the sled, these same people would be complaining that its parts form.
Re: Hasbro Designer Shows Pointblank's Design Approach Through Cost Restrictions (2142593)
Posted by ZeroWolf on August 23rd, 2022 @ 3:31pm CDT
Well, not the same people per say, but you would have an equally sizable group complaining. You know the saying, you can't please everyone.
Posted by ZeroWolf on August 23rd, 2022 @ 3:31pm CDT
RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:Till-all-R1 wrote:Anyone wanting a sled and upset that it's not included in this over priced DLX toy I'm sure this isn't the last we've seen of G! version of Ironhide and you'll likely see a sled version for a generations release or as some kind of exclusive.
I don't really understand it fuss for something so very niche, but to each their own.
Same. If we would have gotten the sled, these same people would be complaining that its parts form.
Well, not the same people per say, but you would have an equally sizable group complaining. You know the saying, you can't please everyone.
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Posted by william-james88 on August 23rd, 2022 @ 3:32pm CDT
Not the same people, but yes there would still be complaining.
Posted by william-james88 on August 23rd, 2022 @ 3:32pm CDT
RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:Till-all-R1 wrote:Anyone wanting a sled and upset that it's not included in this over priced DLX toy I'm sure this isn't the last we've seen of G! version of Ironhide and you'll likely see a sled version for a generations release or as some kind of exclusive.
I don't really understand it fuss for something so very niche, but to each their own.
Same. If we would have gotten the sled, these same people would be complaining that its parts form.
Not the same people, but yes there would still be complaining.
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Posted by RodimusPrimeUkraine1 on August 23rd, 2022 @ 4:13pm CDT
agreed.
Posted by RodimusPrimeUkraine1 on August 23rd, 2022 @ 4:13pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:Till-all-R1 wrote:Anyone wanting a sled and upset that it's not included in this over priced DLX toy I'm sure this isn't the last we've seen of G! version of Ironhide and you'll likely see a sled version for a generations release or as some kind of exclusive.
I don't really understand it fuss for something so very niche, but to each their own.
Same. If we would have gotten the sled, these same people would be complaining that its parts form.
Not the same people, but yes there would still be complaining.
agreed.
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Posted by Till-all-R1 on August 23rd, 2022 @ 4:15pm CDT
Posted by Till-all-R1 on August 23rd, 2022 @ 4:15pm CDT
Heck I'm more disappointed with SS86 being shorter than ER considering Ironhide is a taller bot and not that much shorter than prime, thus IMO this new version is going to look a bit short/inaccurate standing next to him.
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Posted by william-james88 on August 23rd, 2022 @ 11:01pm CDT
I too think of Ironhide as a big gruff military dude who's seen some action, but if we are going for accuracy, which is what SS86 hopes to do, we have to stick to the G1 scale. And in g1, Ironhide was not a big guy, same size as a carbot. He looks tiny next to Optimus. And there lies the genius of this particular figure's engineering. They replicated the idea of having a van, far bigger than a car, become the same size as a carbot in bot mode.
Here's just three shots, but you can look at any episode of the cartoon and see the same scale more or less.
Posted by william-james88 on August 23rd, 2022 @ 11:01pm CDT
Till-all-R1 wrote:Heck I'm more disappointed with SS86 being shorter than ER considering Ironhide is a taller bot and not that much shorter than prime, thus IMO this new version is going to look a bit short/inaccurate standing next to him.
I too think of Ironhide as a big gruff military dude who's seen some action, but if we are going for accuracy, which is what SS86 hopes to do, we have to stick to the G1 scale. And in g1, Ironhide was not a big guy, same size as a carbot. He looks tiny next to Optimus. And there lies the genius of this particular figure's engineering. They replicated the idea of having a van, far bigger than a car, become the same size as a carbot in bot mode.
Here's just three shots, but you can look at any episode of the cartoon and see the same scale more or less.
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Posted by ZeroWolf on August 24th, 2022 @ 4:20am CDT
Posted by ZeroWolf on August 24th, 2022 @ 4:20am CDT
Was wheeljack really that much smaller than Ironhide?
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Posted by -Kanrabat- on August 24th, 2022 @ 6:35am CDT
Posted by -Kanrabat- on August 24th, 2022 @ 6:35am CDT
There's also the fact that ER Optimus is not that big to begin with so having Ironhide as massive as him would be wierd.
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Posted by AcademyofDrX on August 24th, 2022 @ 7:11am CDT
Posted by AcademyofDrX on August 24th, 2022 @ 7:11am CDT
Whenever people complain about a 6" figure being a millimeter too tall or short, I die a little inside.
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Posted by william-james88 on August 24th, 2022 @ 9:00am CDT
Just a tad bit smaller. He is crouching in that shot, so he'll look way smaller.
While Optimus is the leader, his voyager figures tend to be just standard, not big not small. They have all been the same standard size starting with classics, which is the first voyager class optimus we ever had, and he keeps that standard size in the film lines. The only one that was bigger than the rest was the CW one.
Posted by william-james88 on August 24th, 2022 @ 9:00am CDT
ZeroWolf wrote:Was wheeljack really that much smaller than Ironhide?
Just a tad bit smaller. He is crouching in that shot, so he'll look way smaller.
AcademyofDrX wrote:Whenever people complain about a 6" figure being a millimeter too tall or short, I die a little inside.
-Kanrabat- wrote:There's also the fact that ER Optimus is not that big to begin with so having Ironhide as massive as him would be wierd.
While Optimus is the leader, his voyager figures tend to be just standard, not big not small. They have all been the same standard size starting with classics, which is the first voyager class optimus we ever had, and he keeps that standard size in the film lines. The only one that was bigger than the rest was the CW one.
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Posted by RodimusPrimeUkraine1 on August 24th, 2022 @ 9:26am CDT
And here is him in alt mode. Talk about size changing!
could not find the picture of him in alt mode (Optimus on a stretcher going into Ratchets ambulance mode), but This will have to do:
Posted by RodimusPrimeUkraine1 on August 24th, 2022 @ 9:26am CDT
william-james88 wrote:And in g1, Ironhide was not a big guy, same size as a carbot. He looks tiny next to Optimus.
And here is him in alt mode. Talk about size changing!
could not find the picture of him in alt mode (Optimus on a stretcher going into Ratchets ambulance mode), but This will have to do:
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Posted by RodimusPrimeUkraine1 on August 24th, 2022 @ 9:29am CDT
That makes me notice something. I just realized Classics Optimus has kneecaps that flip up in robot mode, and down in alternate mode. Siege/Earth rise does the same but more compact, and in reverse.
Posted by RodimusPrimeUkraine1 on August 24th, 2022 @ 9:29am CDT
william-james88 wrote:
That makes me notice something. I just realized Classics Optimus has kneecaps that flip up in robot mode, and down in alternate mode. Siege/Earth rise does the same but more compact, and in reverse.
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Posted by Emerje on August 24th, 2022 @ 9:56am CDT
He isn't the same size as Optimus, but he isn't nearly as small as a car bot, even in those pictures he's coming up to Prime's shoulder (though usually he's even with his chest windows) and towering over the cars. This is more or less accurate to the official scale chart used by the cartoon.
This is the same scale that MP uses and nailed it.
The SS figure is accurate, but it's really at the most minimum of accurate just barely clearing the bottom of Prime's windows.
My problem is that they not just felt the need to make him smaller than the WFC figure but also made him smaller than a Deluxe figure at the Voyager price point with no obvious gains (ER Ironhide also has many more folding panels than the Siege mold), and the WFC Ironhide mold isn't even a uniquely tall Deluxe, there's plenty of others that are the same size like Impactor. It was a very bad move on Hasbro's part.
Emerje
Posted by Emerje on August 24th, 2022 @ 9:56am CDT
william-james88 wrote:Till-all-R1 wrote:Heck I'm more disappointed with SS86 being shorter than ER considering Ironhide is a taller bot and not that much shorter than prime, thus IMO this new version is going to look a bit short/inaccurate standing next to him.
I too think of Ironhide as a big gruff military dude who's seen some action, but if we are going for accuracy, which is what SS86 hopes to do, we have to stick to the G1 scale. And in g1, Ironhide was not a big guy, same size as a carbot. He looks tiny next to Optimus. And there lies the genius of this particular figure's engineering. They replicated the idea of having a van, far bigger than a car, become the same size as a carbot in bot mode.
Here's just three shots, but you can look at any episode of the cartoon and see the same scale more or less.
He isn't the same size as Optimus, but he isn't nearly as small as a car bot, even in those pictures he's coming up to Prime's shoulder (though usually he's even with his chest windows) and towering over the cars. This is more or less accurate to the official scale chart used by the cartoon.
This is the same scale that MP uses and nailed it.
The SS figure is accurate, but it's really at the most minimum of accurate just barely clearing the bottom of Prime's windows.
My problem is that they not just felt the need to make him smaller than the WFC figure but also made him smaller than a Deluxe figure at the Voyager price point with no obvious gains (ER Ironhide also has many more folding panels than the Siege mold), and the WFC Ironhide mold isn't even a uniquely tall Deluxe, there's plenty of others that are the same size like Impactor. It was a very bad move on Hasbro's part.
Emerje
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Posted by TF-fan kev777 on August 24th, 2022 @ 10:21am CDT
I just looked, and those many more folding panels you mention appear to be only 4 and all located on the shield/sled, the window panels. The bot himself has the same number of panels in the same places.
The height diffference itself doesn't really bother me anymore since all the classes overlap now. What does irritate me is the fact that we are getting our 3rd G1 Ironhide in 4 years and this one is eating up a Voyager slot because what they wanted to do was just a little too much for deluxe class. Ultimately if it ends up being a fun toy, I'll probably probably get over it like I did SS86 Hot Rod, but I am really not liking the precedent they are setting.
Edit: Also really not liking the "diaper" effect the crotch part and panels are giving off.
Posted by TF-fan kev777 on August 24th, 2022 @ 10:21am CDT
Emerje wrote:My problem is that they not just felt the need to make him smaller than the WFC figure but also made him smaller than a Deluxe figure at the Voyager price point with no obvious gains (ER Ironhide also has many more folding panels than the Siege mold), and the WFC Ironhide mold isn't even a uniquely tall Deluxe, there's plenty of others that are the same size like Impactor. It was a very bad move on Hasbro's part.
Emerje
I just looked, and those many more folding panels you mention appear to be only 4 and all located on the shield/sled, the window panels. The bot himself has the same number of panels in the same places.
The height diffference itself doesn't really bother me anymore since all the classes overlap now. What does irritate me is the fact that we are getting our 3rd G1 Ironhide in 4 years and this one is eating up a Voyager slot because what they wanted to do was just a little too much for deluxe class. Ultimately if it ends up being a fun toy, I'll probably probably get over it like I did SS86 Hot Rod, but I am really not liking the precedent they are setting.
Edit: Also really not liking the "diaper" effect the crotch part and panels are giving off.
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Posted by RodimusPrimeUkraine1 on August 24th, 2022 @ 10:49am CDT
Posted by RodimusPrimeUkraine1 on August 24th, 2022 @ 10:49am CDT
I honestly would be fine if just Ironhide could be the same size as prime. Don know why he isn't, but sucks I guess, deal with it. From the information gathered it seems he should be the size perfectly in between deluxe and voyager, but that budget was wasted on the stupid clear plastic windows and their paint! Why does Hasbro keep insisting on clear plastic windows when they are not accurate in the first place?!
Conclusion:
Ratchet is a little short for scale
Hasbro doesn't care
So deal with it
Conclusion:
Ratchet is a little short for scale
Hasbro doesn't care
So deal with it
