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-Kanrabat- wrote:

TOO MUCH ENERGON! wrote:Netflix deciding to pass on Legacy is a sign that the viewership wasn’t there and little else. They care about what brings them new subscribers and views and obviously the War For Cybertron Trilogy didn’t move the needle to their satisfaction.

Exactly.
Whenever a show is "good", "bad", "outrageous", or "amazing" is of no importance.
Money talk.

Great show with little views get cancelled all the time while horrible show but with high view counts get renewed seasons after seasons. It's always viewership.

Thinking about it, viewership for Animated season 3 must have taken a nosedive for S04 to be cancelled. Maybe too much random human villains?

Actually I think it may of had more to do with Hasbro launching their own channel (hasbro made Animated with Cartoon Network, who were about to become a rival)

-Kanrabat- wrote:Thinking about it, viewership for Animated season 3 must have taken a nosedive for S04 to be cancelled. Maybe too much random human villains?

That isn't even close to true. Season 3 was the one that got rid of all the human villains. Even Sari got shafted by barely appearing in that season. Season 4 didn't happen because Hasbro simply didn't want to continue it, because they instead wanted to promote their new partnership with Discovery in creating The Hub Network (which was to be a rival to Cartoon Network) and promote their new Aligned continuity with an all new cartoon made closer in tone to the movies to serve as the centerpiece for this new aligned vision: Transformers: Prime.

In other words, Hasbro killed Animated because it wasn't Aligned enough, and wanted to make Prime instead.

ZeroWolf wrote:Actually I think it may of had more to do with Hasbro launching their own channel (hasbro made Animated with Cartoon Network, who were about to become a rival)

Urgh...
Once again, not only money talk, but money SCREAM.

I am bummed about this. The legacy series offers hype for the toy line for families and junior fans which helps keep this franchise breathing. I know y’all hate on anything that isn’t g1 and that’s sad really. Exposure from different perspectives and different show ideas is what keeps this brand alive and keeps new things coming our way, I just wish hasbro could produce this stuff as a “straight to dvd” or “straight for purchase/rent online.” Or even pack in episodes with the figures purchased. Families and kids seek this stuff out to be drawn into the franchise, new fans means more new figures and a sustained existence for transformers! Let’s be real, all of us 80’s fans ain’t getting any younger and once we go, the transformers may just go with us.

Starbuck14 wrote:I am bummed about this. The legacy series offers hype for the toy line for families and junior fans which helps keep this franchise breathing. I know y’all hate on anything that isn’t g1 and that’s sad really. Exposure from different perspectives and different show ideas is what keeps this brand alive and keeps new things coming our way, I just wish hasbro could produce this stuff as a “straight to dvd” or “straight for purchase/rent online.” Or even pack in episodes with the figures purchased. Families and kids seek this stuff out to be drawn into the franchise, new fans means more new figures and a sustained existence for transformers! Let’s be real, all of us 80’s fans ain’t getting any younger and once we go, the transformers may just go with us.

While this is true, I'd say Cyberverse fitted that bill perfectly and from what Hasbro has said in the past, they use dhows like Rescue Bots to introduce new younger fans in and turn go from there. Don't forget we do have brand new media heading to screens this year in the form of Bot Bots (on Netflix 25th March) and Transformers Earth Spark airing on Nickelodeon later this year.

Good decision on Netflix' end. WFC (tv) was below average. It was boring, slow, flat and wrongly written character. Animation style was cool but besides that extremely cheap.

I hope they learn their lesson, how hard is it to write something fun?
Recently watched Injustice, and am a Gundam fan. Just borrow some tones and plot points and put a Transformers skin on it with robot/computer humor.
How bloody hard can it be, and leave the fall of Cybertron and going to Earth alone. It's been done about 12 times already.

TOO MUCH ENERGON! wrote:Bingo. The only people I’ve seen trashing the War For Cybertron show are people on forums like this who are to be frank, probably too beholden to the original source material to give a new interpretation a decent shake.

Again, nah. I've enjoyed many TF shows. Heck, most of them. But not the Machinima nor Netflix stuff as again, in my opinion, it's poorly written. Again, just an opinion and not an attack on anyone.

~ Grim

"...This might also be a sign of general streaming service disinterest in "dogsh*t" transformers content, as both War for Cybertron and the Prime Wars series were received with a mainly negative reaction from fans and apathy from the general public at best..."

Fixed it for you.

If Netflix could handle the (rather splendid) "mature" MOTU cartoon by Kevin Smith, then there's room for a "mature" TF cartoon, just not one made by the people behind all of the previous, fetid turds excreted out from Hasblo's skid plate so far.

Sabrblade wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:Thinking about it, viewership for Animated season 3 must have taken a nosedive for S04 to be cancelled. Maybe too much random human villains?

That isn't even close to true. Season 3 was the one that got rid of all the human villains. Even Sari got shafted by barely appearing in that season. Season 4 didn't happen because Hasbro simply didn't want to continue it, because they instead wanted to promote their new partnership with Discovery in creating The Hub Network (which was to be a rival to Cartoon Network) and promote their new Aligned continuity with an all new cartoon made closer in tone to the movies to serve as the centerpiece for this new aligned vision: Transformers: Prime.

In other words, Hasbro killed Animated because it wasn't Aligned enough, and wanted to make Prime instead.

I heard one major reason why Animated got the chop was that the toys sold poorly, possibly due to their aesthetic. Basically, a great toon, but it wasn't enough to convince the target demographic to buy such unorthodox-looking TF toys.

primalxconvoy wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:Thinking about it, viewership for Animated season 3 must have taken a nosedive for S04 to be cancelled. Maybe too much random human villains?

That isn't even close to true. Season 3 was the one that got rid of all the human villains. Even Sari got shafted by barely appearing in that season. Season 4 didn't happen because Hasbro simply didn't want to continue it, because they instead wanted to promote their new partnership with Discovery in creating The Hub Network (which was to be a rival to Cartoon Network) and promote their new Aligned continuity with an all new cartoon made closer in tone to the movies to serve as the centerpiece for this new aligned vision: Transformers: Prime.

In other words, Hasbro killed Animated because it wasn't Aligned enough, and wanted to make Prime instead.

I heard one major reason why Animated got the chop was that the toys sold poorly, possibly due to their aesthetic. Basically, a great toon, but it wasn't enough to convince the target demographic to buy such unorthodox-looking TF toys.

Where was that stated?

I hate to say this, but it was a "friend that has contacts with Hasbro staff", which I fully acknowledge is akin to saying "my uncle, who works for Nintendo". They have been right on many things in the past (which toys are coming out before most of us know abot them, etc) but also wrong on a few things (That the last Titan-class Scorp was based on Omega Supreme's mold).

Ah I see

It's too bad Netflix turned down the idea of a Legacy series. It would have been interesting to see just what the plan was for it; maybe a multiverse-hopping adventure of some sort?

This "Not renewing of the series" makes sad.The series ended on a really interesting new status quo,I would like to see it explored more.
It could have been better in some areas,like some other people said,it assumes you are already familiar with Transformers,but I see some awesome moments in here that were very well done.

Hahahhahahah. Netflix isn’t disinterested in a “mature themed” Transformers cartoon. They’re disinterested in a poorly made transformers cartoon.

I couldn’t even get through season 1 of siege with dying of cringe and boredom.

Yet Netflix picks a lot of garbage shows most people know will be awful before any time or money is spent. Cowboy Bebop, ( upcoming One Piece). Etc....

In light of the release of the new trailer for Transformers One, a short article was posted by GiantFreakinRobot about the War For Cybertron Trilogy cartoon on Netflix, and this article is nothing short of hilarious.

Like, every paragraph, every sentence, every letter is written from with a delirious, delusional state of mind that actually thinks longtime fans want depressing garbage like the Netflix WFCT cartoon just as long as the characters are depicted in classic G1-esque character designs, as if that and a darker tone are all that matters. Not good writing, not good voice acting, not good directing, not good character work, just G1 designs and edgy grimdarkness. Gag me.

Even funnier, the article actually calls the G1 cartoon "mediocre", something older fans had to "settle for", yet it praises the Netflix cartoon for having designs that look enough like it?

This whole article have the stink of identity politics.

Only the "race" and "gender" of the bots, the "outer shell" matters, nothing else.
Who care indeed, about the heart, the soul, and the story?

Applying that mentality to freaking extraterrestrial robots is peak mental gymnastics.

Sabrblade wrote:In light of the release of the new trailer for Transformers One, a short article was posted by GiantFreakinRobot about the War For Cybertron Trilogy cartoon on Netflix, and this article is nothing short of hilarious.

Like, every paragraph, every sentence, every letter is written from with a delirious, delusional state of mind that actually thinks longtime fans want depressing garbage like the Netflix WFCT cartoon just as long as the characters are depicted in classic G1-esque character designs, as if that and a darker tone are all that matters. Not good writing, not good voice acting, not good directing, not good character work, just G1 designs and edgy grimdarkness. Gag me.

Even funnier, the article actually calls the G1 cartoon "mediocre", something older fans had to "settle for", yet it praises the Netflix cartoon for having designs that look enough like it?

See this is why I can't take nerd culture seriously. They mock newer interpretations of franchises that are deemed too dark or grim yet give praise to them if they say it's like a childhood show but dark and gritty. I would agree with GFR that the G1 cartoon holds up poorly in a handful of areas, but I'd still watch it over the Netflix crap since it's not written by schmucks who would think any other version of TF is poor (especially given how nerd culture clout pigs are on social media)

Quantum Surge wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:In light of the release of the new trailer for Transformers One, a short article was posted by GiantFreakinRobot about the War For Cybertron Trilogy cartoon on Netflix, and this article is nothing short of hilarious.

Like, every paragraph, every sentence, every letter is written from with a delirious, delusional state of mind that actually thinks longtime fans want depressing garbage like the Netflix WFCT cartoon just as long as the characters are depicted in classic G1-esque character designs, as if that and a darker tone are all that matters. Not good writing, not good voice acting, not good directing, not good character work, just G1 designs and edgy grimdarkness. Gag me.

Even funnier, the article actually calls the G1 cartoon "mediocre", something older fans had to "settle for", yet it praises the Netflix cartoon for having designs that look enough like it?

See this is why I can't take nerd culture seriously. They mock newer interpretations of franchises that are deemed too dark or grim yet give praise to them if they say it's like a childhood show but dark and gritty. I would agree with GFR that the G1 cartoon holds up poorly in a handful of areas, but I'd still watch it over the Netflix crap since it's not written by schmucks who would think any other version of TF is poor (especially given how nerd culture clout pigs are on social media)

The point is not to mock "dark and gritty". The point is that the "dark and gritty" and the G1 looking bots are the only selling points of that Netfix show.

The Netflix show was boring hot garbage all around and it was a pain to sit through.
It's like playing a game like Ride To Hell Retribution and pretending it's good just because it have sex and violence.

The only grimdark TF show that is genuinely good that come to my mind is Transformers Prime. I dunno if there's others but for me, TF Prime is unbeatable.

As for a "serious" show featuring the G1 characters, I would watch, but the writing need to be stellar and the episodes need to be of the standard 25 minutes long. Not 5 minutes clips.
Seriously, Netflix, how the hell did you expect to tell a story in 5 minutes clips?
The Netflix show is garbage because they are basically extended adds. Nothing more.

-Kanrabat- wrote:TF Prime is unbeatable.

The Netflix show is garbage because they are basically extended adds. Nothing more.

100% agree with you on this!

~ Grim

Wow, so much bitterness and vitriol towards the trilogy.

I also thought it was on the lower end of quality story telling, and even most of the voice acting was subpar. But it wasn't the worst ever, IMO. I do agree that Rooster Teeth and the people who produced the series have no clue how to properly present a Transformers series, but it begs the question, just show much involvement and influence did Hasbro have? We all know executives and bean counters aren't exactly the best story tellers.

And we got some pretty decent figures out if it.

Rodimus Prime wrote:Wow, so much bitterness and vitriol towards the trilogy.

I also thought it was on the lower end of quality story telling, and even most of the voice acting was subpar. But it wasn't the worst ever, IMO. I do agree that Rooster Teeth and the people who produced the series have no clue how to properly present a Transformers series, but it begs the question, just show much involvement and influence did Hasbro have? We all know executives and bean counters aren't exactly the best story tellers.

And we got some pretty decent figures out if it.

What would be the worst of the worst TF series, then?

And no, Kiss Players don't count.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:Wow, so much bitterness and vitriol towards the trilogy.

I also thought it was on the lower end of quality story telling, and even most of the voice acting was subpar. But it wasn't the worst ever, IMO. I do agree that Rooster Teeth and the people who produced the series have no clue how to properly present a Transformers series, but it begs the question, just show much involvement and influence did Hasbro have? We all know executives and bean counters aren't exactly the best story tellers.

And we got some pretty decent figures out if it.

What would be the worst of the worst TF series, then?

Machinima's Prime Wars Trilogy was objectively inferior.

And who could forget Energon's tedious lack of any coherent plot for 52 goldarn episodes?

Rodimus Prime wrote:And we got some pretty decent figures out if it.

More like we got some pretty decent figures in spite of the cartoon, since the figures were made first; the cartoon just used the toy designs right down to the screw hole details.