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Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy CARTOON Series Discussion

PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2021 9:46 pm
by primalxconvoy
Sabrblade wrote:
primalxconvoy wrote:Not really. Scorponok was never cloned cannon-fodder. In the previous Seige cartoons, the clones were usually recoloured. In this show, he wasn't.
Doesn't matter what color they were. They were cannon fodder meant to boost the Predacons' ranks in the same way all of the other duplicate generics were. No one said anything about cloning.


Except that they are clones, or copies of each other, regardless of whether they are, in the show's universe, clones of an actual individual called "Scorponok". As such, this was another weakness off this show, as they used identical copies of an established character with no explanation and/or different colours to explain why they were all identical.

Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy CARTOON Series Discussion

PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2021 9:53 pm
by Sabrblade
primalxconvoy wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
primalxconvoy wrote:Not really. Scorponok was never cloned cannon-fodder. In the previous Seige cartoons, the clones were usually recoloured. In this show, he wasn't.
Doesn't matter what color they were. They were cannon fodder meant to boost the Predacons' ranks in the same way all of the other duplicate generics were. No one said anything about cloning.


Except that they are clones, or copies of each other, regardless of whether they are, in the show's universe, clones of an actual individual called "Scorponok". As such, this was another weakness off this show, as they used identical copies of an established character with no explanation and/or different colours to explain why they were all identical.
They're still generics no matter what color they are. We've had same-color generics a zillion times before in this entire brand. This is nothing new.

Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy CARTOON Series Discussion

PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:54 pm
by primalxconvoy
I disagree. With Seekers and the Weaponisers, some level of "genericness" (sic) had been easily inferred. Even in the original BW, or Energon trilogy cartoons, reused character models were usually accepted, and moreso as their original character models were given some screentime as the "intended" character.

Not so with Scorponok in this cartoon.

Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy CARTOON Series Discussion

PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:43 am
by Sabrblade
primalxconvoy wrote:I disagree. With Seekers and the Weaponisers, some level of "genericness" (sic) had been easily inferred. Even in the original BW, or Energon trilogy cartoons, reused character models were usually accepted, and moreso as their original character models were given some screentime as the "intended" character.

Not so with Scorponok in this cartoon.
Oh for crying out loud. It is literally no different than the Sweeps, the Vehicon drones, the Energon Terrorcons, the Prime Vehicons, the Prime Insecticons, or any other mass produced nobodies who all look the same that we've gotten over the past 30+ years. They just chose to take the Scorponok toy and use it as generic troop fodder, instead of as a single character, for this show.

Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy CARTOON Series Discussion

PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:45 am
by primalxconvoy
Sabrblade wrote:
primalxconvoy wrote:I disagree. With Seekers and the Weaponisers, some level of "genericness" (sic) had been easily inferred. Even in the original BW, or Energon trilogy cartoons, reused character models were usually accepted, and moreso as their original character models were given some screentime as the "intended" character.

Not so with Scorponok in this cartoon.
Oh for crying out loud. It is literally no different than the Sweeps, the Vehicon drones, the Energon Terrorcons, the Prime Vehicons, the Prime Insecticons, or any other mass produced nobodies who all look the same that we've gotten over the past 30+ years. They just chose to take the Scorponok toy and use it as generic troop fodder, instead of as a single character, for this show.


Yes, and I believe that detracted from the show because it is NOT the same as the examples you've given.

Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy CARTOON Series Discussion

PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2021 4:53 pm
by D-Maximal_Primal
So I watched Kingdom, and surprisingly, I enjoyed it. I'm going to share some non-spoilers thoughts below:

-Starscream became the star of the show. He and Dinobot to me put in the best performances and both played to their strengths. Well done on both of them

-You can definitely feel Mae Catt's influence in her episodes. And specifically, the way Airazor, Blackarachnia, and Starscream are written.

-the episode 6 twist and reveals didn't really land with me. 1 in particular was a very bad choice, and ruined a lot of storylines

-Scotty__P said it best regarding episode 6: too much for 1 episode, not enough for 2. Goes towards the empty feeling from the conclusion.

-also, there felt like a lack of consequences for 1 particular character? He was pure terrible with a fake face, but didn't suffer for it

-i liked the Beasts and the way they slipped in. I enjoyed them.

-voices were all over the board, but some were tightened up for this series. Just give Megatron more to do, he has great range! And let Prime edge closer to Cyberverse, it's his strength.

Overall, Kingdom was enjoyed. I didn't expect to enjoy it, but I did. It's worth watching.

I'd give it a 6 or 7 out of 10 personally. It was around the level of Cyberverse season 1 for me

Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy CARTOON Series Discussion

PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2021 5:15 pm
by Interocitron
Maybe I'm just getting jaded, but there was almost nothing about this trilogy I cared for. Just bad vibes all around, man.

So, see you all in a year or so for the next three Netflix chapters? :D

Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy CARTOON Series Discussion

PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2021 10:26 pm
by Sabrblade
Interocitron wrote:Maybe I'm just getting jaded, but there was almost nothing about this trilogy I cared for. Just bad vibes all around, man.

So, see you all in a year or so for the next three Netflix chapters? :D
The next Netflix cartoon is for BotBots.

Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy CARTOON Series Discussion

PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2021 9:22 pm
by TulioDude
Overall thoughts on the series:

-It was good!

-I really like how the series places the Autobots and Maximals in equal moral grounds.The narrative doesn't place one above the other.

-I like the dichotomy between the first meeting of the crews.The Decepticons have a conversation with the Predacons,while the Autobots and Maximals have a small tussle.

-Starscream best moments in this trilogy are in Kingdom

-The voices for the Beast Wars characters are good.After getting used with David Kaye's smooth Megatron voice for a long time,the new voice for Beast Megatron jumped out at me,but the new voice is fine.
You can tell that with him and Dinobot they were trying to mimic the manneirisms of the original characters.For the most part, it worked.Shoutout for Rhinox,for me his voice sounded nearly identical to the original.

-I think they did the best they could with Dinobot.They did want to recreate his arc from Beast Wars while having a six episode restraint,they did have to focus a lot to get him here in time,but it worked.His fight against Decepticons and Predacons was awesome.The quiet moment with the Matrix was a nice touch and he did get a nice sendoff with Primal watching.

-I kinda expected that Beast Megatron was plotting something behind the Decepticons back,but it was a surprise to see that his respect and admiration is genuine.The original Beast Wars series left room for this interpretation of the character.

-I'm suprised that Deseeus didn't appear.We never learn what were their intentions.

-Nemesis Prime was mostly saved for the ending,but hearing the other characters talking about him,building up to his appearance,helped to give a big presence.

-Having Megatron defy Galvatron was an interesting touch.He was trying to a help collective cause,while also fighting for his own motivations.

-Cybertron being saved,but having a few surviors,with a peace between factions that,while Unicron has plans of his own,would be a cool setting for a new story.

Whifflefire wrote:My biggest disappointment with Kingdom is the confirmation that the Cybertron-based cast were all killed, thus rendering half of Earthrise kind of pointless. I had a theory that with the introduction of time-travel, the Autobots might have found a way to return to their time just before the apparent deaths of Elita and Co. and rescue them, since their plot ended on a cliffhanger. With their fates kind of ambiguous, it would have been a brilliant way to resolve that ending and the trilogy with all of the characters reuniting. The series had been really good at not wasting its cast, that it chose 'total annihilation' as the end of this part of the story is an underwhelming and unfortunate conclusion.

Ultimately, I enjoyed the WFC Trilogy. It had great ideas and brought together many different parts of the franchise's lore in interesting ways, even if it was let down a bit by the voice acting and structure. But overall a solid entry into Transformers history in support of one of the greatest toylines we've ever had. 'B' for the trilogy at whole and B+ for Kingdom itself.


I have been wondering about this too,if at some point it was an idea they considered during the planning stages.
It could been a more wholesome ending if they did this,but in the end,I didn't hate the the execution.The absence of these characters gives greater weight to state of Cybertron.

Razorbeast88 wrote:I liked the little joke about how he wouldve made a terrible Maximal, if only because it seems like the humor that Dinobot enjoys
Thats how he interacted with rattrap in the beast wars series, even up to his death in code of hero


Yeah Dinobot was a standout.
I watched this series with my family and my sister has never seen Beast Wars,so I asked if she thought the series made a good job with introducing the Maximals and Predacons and she said yes.I though this too.They made a good job connecting the different casts.
Dinobot was her favorite.

Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy CARTOON Series Discussion

PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2021 2:41 pm
by Rogue-Primal
So far from what i've seen in Kingdom... these are my issues with it, haven't seen episode 6.

Squeaky-voiced BW Megatron. Without David Kaye the BW Megatron doesn't feel right. :BOOM:

Same goes for no Garry Chalk for Optimus Primal.

Most of the fights feel short and unsatisfying.

They missed out on referencing Rattrap's original claim that Arcee was his Great Aunt according to the history books.

Dinobot "died" in this continuity instead of surviving after saving the Matrix of Leadership.

The Allspark has a boobytrap consisting of hallucinations and a forcefield.

Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy CARTOON Series Discussion

PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2021 3:18 pm
by #1 Signal Lancer fan
Just got all caught up on the trilogy.

The series has a lot of problems, but in that regard I'm sure everything that I have to say has already been said.

What I will say is I loved the Nemesis Prime/Galvatron team and the premise behind their timeline. I would really love to see more of that.

Given that ending, is there supposed to be a follow-up series? Has there been any word of that yet?

Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy CARTOON Series Discussion

PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2021 3:23 pm
by o.supreme
I doubt there will be a follow up. It's something the production team often does at the end to just leave the door open "in case". CW had a similar type ending. Even the original Transformers ended in such a way.

Basically FJ Desanto is going with the Idea that Unicron is a multiuniversal singularity and can appear anywhere, at anytime. So even if the next Transformers series that tries to homage the original doesn't involve anyone who worked on WFC, the never ending cycle can continue ;) .

Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy CARTOON Series Discussion

PostPosted: Sat Sep 04, 2021 3:34 pm
by Rogue-Primal
This series has a new problem. We won't get a WFC season 4 with the matrix back on cybertron.

Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy CARTOON Series Discussion

PostPosted: Sat Sep 04, 2021 3:38 pm
by Sabrblade
Rogue-Primal wrote:This series has a new problem. We won't get a WFC season 4 with the matrix back on cybertron.
What? Optimus got the Matrix back. He took it with him back to Cybertron.

Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy CARTOON Series Discussion

PostPosted: Sun Sep 05, 2021 1:12 pm
by Rogue-Primal
Sabrblade wrote:
Rogue-Primal wrote:This series has a new problem. We won't get a WFC season 4 with the matrix back on cybertron.
What? Optimus got the Matrix back. He took it with him back to Cybertron.


Just found the episode and what i can say is. It kinda feels rushed. They use similar recent plotpoints from cyberverse with Bumblebee returning the McGuffin and the Truce from Cyberverse.

However because of the truce i do think the Allspark should have restored those who died throughout the series. But with no season 4 we won't see more of the this WFC Quintesson unless he is re-used.

Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy CARTOON Series Discussion

PostPosted: Sun Sep 05, 2021 1:50 pm
by Sabrblade
Rogue-Primal wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Rogue-Primal wrote:This series has a new problem. We won't get a WFC season 4 with the matrix back on cybertron.
What? Optimus got the Matrix back. He took it with him back to Cybertron.


Just found the episode and what i can say is. It kinda feels rushed. They use similar recent plotpoints from cyberverse with Bumblebee returning the McGuffin and the Truce from Cyberverse.

However because of the truce i do think the Allspark should have restored those who died throughout the series. But with no season 4 we won't see more of the this WFC Quintesson unless he is re-used.
But Deseeus died when the Fool's Fortune exploded.

Are you feeling okay? You seem to be misremembering a number of things.

Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy CARTOON Series Discussion

PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2021 4:27 pm
by Rogue-Primal
Sabrblade wrote:
Rogue-Primal wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Rogue-Primal wrote:This series has a new problem. We won't get a WFC season 4 with the matrix back on cybertron.
What? Optimus got the Matrix back. He took it with him back to Cybertron.


Just found the episode and what i can say is. It kinda feels rushed. They use similar recent plotpoints from cyberverse with Bumblebee returning the McGuffin and the Truce from Cyberverse.

However because of the truce i do think the Allspark should have restored those who died throughout the series. But with no season 4 we won't see more of the this WFC Quintesson unless he is re-used.
But Deseeus died when the Fool's Fortune exploded.

Are you feeling okay? You seem to be misremembering a number of things.

I may have forgotten about Deseeus's death. I haven't found episode 6 yet but i used a fast episode summary.
Warning if you haven't finished the series.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTmCokRO9Cs

Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy CARTOON Series Discussion

PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2021 9:36 pm
by Sabrblade
Rogue-Primal wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Rogue-Primal wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Rogue-Primal wrote:This series has a new problem. We won't get a WFC season 4 with the matrix back on cybertron.
What? Optimus got the Matrix back. He took it with him back to Cybertron.


Just found the episode and what i can say is. It kinda feels rushed. They use similar recent plotpoints from cyberverse with Bumblebee returning the McGuffin and the Truce from Cyberverse.

However because of the truce i do think the Allspark should have restored those who died throughout the series. But with no season 4 we won't see more of the this WFC Quintesson unless he is re-used.
But Deseeus died when the Fool's Fortune exploded.

Are you feeling okay? You seem to be misremembering a number of things.

I may have forgotten about Deseeus's death. I haven't found episode 6 yet but i used a fast episode summary.
Warning if you haven't finished the series.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTmCokRO9Cs
It wasn't explicitly shown onscreen, but the ship he was on was blown to smithereens, with only debris left to rain down on the planet.

Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy CARTOON Series Discussion

PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 12:37 pm
by o.supreme
I understand what took place, but it did seem kind of odd and rushed. If they had more episodes, FJ Desanto has stated he was definitely planning on fleshing out Deeseus more. His hostility towards the Allspark is never explained (would have been an actual on screen conflict of Quintessons vs Primus/Allspark...who really created the Transformers) but alas, it was not to be.

Also with Cog, a character mostly absent from ER gets this weird Hero moment at the end seemingly form out of nowhere. Lastly, I think the idea was that somehow Deeseus would have lived on in Doubledealers body, but with the explosion of that ship, yeah it all just kind of went away. *hey look kids BW!* and that was all.

Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy CARTOON Series Discussion

PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2021 10:05 pm
by TulioDude
:michaelbay: HOT TAKE :michaelbay:

The characters talking slowy thematically fits with the series.
We are shown how the war taken its toll on Cybertron.There is a scarcity of resources and everyone is reachig their own personal limits.
They take their time before speaking to find time reorient themselves and use the right words.

My opnion,but thought I would be interesting to discuss.


o.supreme wrote:If they had more episodes, FJ Desanto has stated he was definitely planning on fleshing out Deeseus more.


Yeah, he was a character that needed more explaining.

Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy CARTOON Series Discussion

PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2021 2:43 pm
by TulioDude
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What do guys think about the possibility of Legacy continuing the story?

The background scene that toys were photographed in appears to take place in Cybertron.
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Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy CARTOON Series Discussion

PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2021 9:47 pm
by Rodimus Prime
I do hope we will get some kind of media that utilizes characters based on the new line, whether it's on streaming or in print. Maybe some short stories for each character that shoehorn them into the G1 continuity, since that's what they are doing with the figures that were previously not G1.

Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy CARTOON Series Discussion

PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2021 9:17 am
by First-Aid
Not going to happen, I don't think. It would take a miracle at this point, and I think Hasbro is all in with the "reboot" of the LAMs. I can't see them going up against themselves or spreading the product line with the movie looming in the near future.

Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy CARTOON Series Discussion

PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2022 11:30 pm
by Sabrblade
Coming Fall 2022 from Viz Media is a new artbook for this Netflix series: The Art and Making of Transformers: War for Cybertron Trilogy by Mike Avila - https://twitter.com/VIZMedia/status/1494839201656971264

Netflix was Offered a Transformers Legacy Series and Declined to Take It

PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2022 7:50 pm
by D-Maximal_Primal
TFcon has become the hit North American Transformers convention since Botcon ceased to function in 2016, and has produced some big name visitors and some occasional fun official news as well.

Recently, TFcon held its springtime convention, and during that convention F.J. DeSanto, who was the showrunner for the recent War for Cybertron Series on Netflix offered up some new information. He put forth that they did have a series based on Transformers Legacy lined up, and the show was offered to Netflix, but ultimately the streaming service declined to pick it up.

This is an interesting bit of news for a couple reasons. For on thing, given that both War for Cybertron and its predecessor Prime Wars trilogy received cartoons, it was speculated that we might see a series based on Legacy as well. We can at least say that there was one in the design stages, but one that was ultimately put down before it could go anywhere. This might also be a sign of general streaming service disinterest in "mature" transformers content, as both War for Cybertron and the Prime Wars series were received with lukewarm feeling on average.

It is also interesting as it shows that we might have had a Transformers cartoon Multiverse story, which would have coincided with the general Hollywood theme of Multiverses as the hit topic of stories right now. We have had several multiversal stories in Transformers, but they have mostly been limited to comic arcs that tend to be more limited in audience appeal or accessibility.

Either way, for now, the future of Transformers cartoons appears to be focused on Botbots and Earthspark.

Let us know what you think of this news, and whether this was a disappointing choice by Netflix, or if the decision was a mercy killing.

This news was originally broken to us by @MikeSibertRadio on Twitter, who was present for the DeSanto interview at TFcon.