Wonderfest 2015 - Prime 1 Studio Museum Masterline AoE Lockdown, Optimus and Galvatron Busts

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After the recent Prime 1 Studio Age of Extinction Optimus Prime glossy pictures, we also have a greyer update from Wonder Festival in Chiba, Japan, featuring the bounty hunter with a gun for a face: Lockdown. The images come from Weibo user 52Toys, and show off multiple angles of the big bad bot, including the canine companion Steeljaw.

Also on display were some prototypes of Optimus Prime and Galvatron busts. Check them all out mirrored below!

Transformers News: Prime 1 Studio Museum Masterline AoE Lockdown, Optimus and Galvatron Busts

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Re: Wonderfest 2015 - Prime 1 Studio Museum Masterline AoE Lockdown, Optimus and Galvatron Busts (1713367)
Posted by Jack Hallows on July 26th, 2015 @ 9:49am CDT

pretty dope statue.

but what i'm more interested in is that piece of art behind him in the poofy skirt and high heels. how bout some alternate angles on that.

Re: Wonderfest 2015 - Prime 1 Studio Museum Masterline AoE Lockdown, Optimus and Galvatron Busts (1713377)
Posted by SlyTF1 on July 26th, 2015 @ 11:01am CDT

I would happily die after getting these Lockdown and Optimus statues. Someone, give me $4,000. They're perfect. :BOWDOWN:

Re: Wonderfest 2015 - Prime 1 Studio Museum Masterline AoE Lockdown, Optimus and Galvatron Busts (1713486)
Posted by Alpha Dominus on July 26th, 2015 @ 5:39pm CDT

I am not a Bayformer fan by any stretch of the imagination but I at least understand why their aesthetics would take on an otherworldly appearance. (Even if they don't read well-like at all-for action sequences.)Maybe it's cuz he doesn't have any textures applied to him but man that is one sweet lookin' Lockdown.

Re: Wonderfest 2015 - Prime 1 Studio Museum Masterline AoE Lockdown, Optimus and Galvatron Busts (1713532)
Posted by padfoo on July 26th, 2015 @ 8:16pm CDT

Robocop anyone?

Re: Wonderfest 2015 - Prime 1 Studio Museum Masterline AoE Lockdown, Optimus and Galvatron Busts (1713557)
Posted by YRQRM0 on July 26th, 2015 @ 9:55pm CDT

Lockdown is one of the best designs in the movieverse. I love the unusual stuff like ROTF Demolishor, but Lockdown's humanoid design is really cool.

Re: Wonderfest 2015 - Prime 1 Studio Museum Masterline AoE Lockdown, Optimus and Galvatron Busts (1713568)
Posted by misfire19d on July 26th, 2015 @ 10:42pm CDT

padfoo wrote:Robocop anyone?

Hah! Well played!

STAY OUT OF TROUBLE

Re: Wonderfest 2015 - Prime 1 Studio Museum Masterline AoE Lockdown, Optimus and Galvatron Busts (1714093)
Posted by LegendaryAntiHero on July 28th, 2015 @ 6:15pm CDT

It's about time we got a movie 4 Optimus sideshow statue

Re: Wonderfest 2015 - Prime 1 Studio Museum Masterline AoE Lockdown, Optimus and Galvatron Busts (1728489)
Posted by LOST Cybertronian on September 24th, 2015 @ 6:31am CDT

The newest piece by Prime 1 Studios to be announced in their Museum Masterline Series is Transformers Age of Extinction MMTFM-09 Galvatron. Galvatron continues the highly detailed tradition of previous Museum Masterline releases. This was announced on their Facebook page.

That is why, I have no FEAR!!!

Prime 1 Studio is proud to present MMTFM-09 Galvatron was a U.S. military model,developed by KSI.It was infected by Megatron's mind, so despite all the efforts of people to give it the appearance just like Optimus Prime, the drone continued to recreate Megatron.However humans have built a bot designed to be even more powerful than the fallen DECEPTICON leader. Now,the AUTOBOTS must defeat the mighty GALVATRON!"

PRODUCT DETAILS

- 30 Inch tall
- LED light up function on head.
- LED light up function on middle chest reactor.

Accessories include :
- One (1) Arm Particle Weapon
- One (1) Switchable palm (Right)

Exclusive version:
- Megatron Head

Edition Size:
Exclusive version: 888
Regular version: 1000

Retail Price: 1899$USD

- Production sample shown.
- Product details could be subjected to change without further notice.
Prime 1 Studio's photo.
Prime 1 Studio's photo.
Prime 1 Studio's photo.
Prime 1 Studio's photo.
+23

Re: Wonderfest 2015 - Prime 1 Studio Museum Masterline AoE Lockdown, Optimus and Galvatron Busts (1728567)
Posted by Carnivius_Prime on September 24th, 2015 @ 11:00am CDT

*adds to my list of ridiculously beautiful but expensive items I will buy only when I win the lottery or come into a massive fortune some other way*

Re: Wonderfest 2015 - Prime 1 Studio Museum Masterline AoE Lockdown, Optimus and Galvatron Busts (1728645)
Posted by mattyou on September 24th, 2015 @ 4:47pm CDT

Carnivius_Prime wrote:*adds to my list of ridiculously beautiful but expensive items I will buy only when I win the lottery or come into a massive fortune some other way*

You and me both!

Re: Wonderfest 2015 - Prime 1 Studio Museum Masterline AoE Lockdown, Optimus and Galvatron Busts (1728721)
Posted by skidflap on September 24th, 2015 @ 10:44pm CDT

optimus: you have an insane amount of detail!!!

galvatron: that is why i demand a high price tag!!!

:-P

Re: Wonderfest 2015 - Prime 1 Studio Museum Masterline AoE Lockdown, Optimus and Galvatron Busts (1728752)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on September 24th, 2015 @ 11:55pm CDT

Holy cats that is a lot of detail! I love looking at these things, even though I may ever be able to afford them

Re: Wonderfest 2015 - Prime 1 Studio Museum Masterline AoE Lockdown, Optimus and Galvatron Busts (1729130)
Posted by peaces on September 26th, 2015 @ 4:44am CDT

too bad the movie was so bad it won worst film of the year

Re: Wonderfest 2015 - Prime 1 Studio Museum Masterline AoE Lockdown, Optimus and Galvatron Busts (1729274)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on September 26th, 2015 @ 5:52pm CDT

peaces wrote:too bad the movie was so bad it won worst film of the year

Eh, matter of perception. The same people who made this a bad film also vote vampires and zombies consistently the best, so it is simply their bias.

Re: Wonderfest 2015 - Prime 1 Studio Museum Masterline AoE Lockdown, Optimus and Galvatron Busts (1750004)
Posted by mooncake623 on December 23rd, 2015 @ 3:53pm CST

Prime 1 Studio teased on their Facefbook and Instagram accounts, images of their new Generation 1 line of statues. These statues are designed by Josh Nizzi and is known for his concept art and designs of transformers from the live action movies. And from the looks of these teasers it appears that those details really comes across on their Generation 1 line as well. Check out the images below and remember keep your optics tuned to Seibertron.com for the latest in news and updates!

Re: Wonderfest 2015 - Prime 1 Studio Museum Masterline AoE Lockdown, Optimus and Galvatron Busts (1750013)
Posted by AutobotAlvaron on December 23rd, 2015 @ 4:24pm CST

These are interesting G1/Bay-verse hybrids, and would have been awesome in the movies (maybe they're a hint at the next movie designs), but calling them "G1-inspired" would have been more accurate. If they were made into actual transformable figures, I might buy them.

As it is, they're a curious, yet unnecessary, set of oddities I don't really need, but as toys, they would be attractive.

Re: Wonderfest 2015 - Prime 1 Studio Museum Masterline AoE Lockdown, Optimus and Galvatron Busts (1750019)
Posted by dreadwing95 on December 23rd, 2015 @ 4:37pm CST

AutobotAlvaron wrote:These are interesting G1/Bay-verse hybrids, and would have been awesome in the movies (maybe they're a hint at the next movie designs), but calling them "G1-inspired" would have been more accurate. If they were made into actual transformable figures, I might buy them.

As it is, they're a curious, yet unnecessary, set of oddities I don't really need, but as toys, they would be attractive.

agreed. would definitely buy these if they were normal figures and i hope we do get these designs in a movie or at least in a show

Re: Wonderfest 2015 - Prime 1 Studio Museum Masterline AoE Lockdown, Optimus and Galvatron Busts (1750028)
Posted by Evil Eye on December 23rd, 2015 @ 6:09pm CST

Finally! Something DIFFERENT! Praise be to Primus!

Re: Wonderfest 2015 - Prime 1 Studio Museum Masterline AoE Lockdown, Optimus and Galvatron Busts (1750908)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on December 29th, 2015 @ 10:21am CST

OK, you have my attention. Those look gorgeous and different from anything pretty much ever

Re: Wonderfest 2015 - Prime 1 Studio Museum Masterline AoE Lockdown, Optimus and Galvatron Busts (1758331)
Posted by Va'al on January 22nd, 2016 @ 4:40am CST

Building on a reveal from a little while ago, we have a new teaser from Prime 1 Studio about their upcoming Generation 1 line of non-transformable figures. Check out the Optimus shoulder-arm-blaster image below, and compare to what we have seen before - enough to interest you?

Now it's time to tease you guys with Transformers G1. **Project still in its early stages

Re: Wonderfest 2015 - Prime 1 Studio Museum Masterline AoE Lockdown, Optimus and Galvatron Busts (1758332)
Posted by BumbleDouche on January 22nd, 2016 @ 5:00am CST

Regardless of how this turns out, you've lost me at non-transformable. Transformers aren't really Transformers if they can't -wait for it- TRANSFORM. And really? ANOTHER Optimus Prime? Is the goal to have a version of Optimus Prime released by every model-making/sculpture-creating/limited-edition-statue-place on Earth? Am I nuts, or is this really getting old?

Re: Wonderfest 2015 - Prime 1 Studio Museum Masterline AoE Lockdown, Optimus and Galvatron Busts (1758352)
Posted by Deathsaurus1 on January 22nd, 2016 @ 8:22am CST

MegaDump wrote:Regardless of how this turns out, you've lost me at non-transformable. Transformers aren't really Transformers if they can't -wait for it- TRANSFORM. And really? ANOTHER Optimus Prime? Is the goal to have a version of Optimus Prime released by every model-making/sculpture-creating/limited-edition-statue-place on Earth? Am I nuts, or is this really getting old?

I understand what you mean, but what draws me away is the price of these statues.
The price is so unbelievably high for what you get out it.
If it was $600, than I might consider buying it.

Re: Wonderfest 2015 - Prime 1 Studio Museum Masterline AoE Lockdown, Optimus and Galvatron Busts (1758496)
Posted by Brokebot on January 22nd, 2016 @ 3:08pm CST

Deathsaurus1 wrote:I understand what you mean, but what draws me away is the price of these statues.
The price is so unbelievably high for what you get out it.
If it was $600, than I might consider buying it.

$600 for a non-transforming Transformer? That's half a mortgage payment for something that doesn't actually do anything! Tell you what . . . you give me $600 and you can have the satisfaction of knowing you helped me plug some holes in my collection. :-D

Re: Wonderfest 2015 - Prime 1 Studio Museum Masterline AoE Lockdown, Optimus and Galvatron Busts (1758639)
Posted by LegendaryAntiHero on January 22nd, 2016 @ 11:29pm CST

Brokebot wrote:
Deathsaurus1 wrote:I understand what you mean, but what draws me away is the price of these statues.
The price is so unbelievably high for what you get out it.
If it was $600, than I might consider buying it.

$600 for a non-transforming Transformer? That's half a mortgage payment for something that doesn't actually do anything! Tell you what . . . you give me $600 and you can have the satisfaction of knowing you helped me plug some holes in my collection.

Well I have bought Hot Toys Optimus Prime for 350 and it didn't seem like a complete waste to me XD

Re: Wonderfest 2015 - Prime 1 Studio Museum Masterline AoE Lockdown, Optimus and Galvatron Busts (1758643)
Posted by BumbleDouche on January 22nd, 2016 @ 11:45pm CST

Brokebot wrote:
Deathsaurus1 wrote:I understand what you mean, but what draws me away is the price of these statues.
The price is so unbelievably high for what you get out it.
If it was $600, than I might consider buying it.

$600 for a non-transforming Transformer? That's half a mortgage payment for something that doesn't actually do anything! Tell you what . . . you give me $600 and you can have the satisfaction of knowing you helped me plug some holes in my collection.

Exactly! You can buy a whole bunch of the Masterpieces for that price, and they actually Transform! If they wanted to do something above and beyond for die hard collectors, I'd personally prefer something with an intricate, super-detailed paint job on a Transformable, Masterpiece-like figure e.g. worn paint, metallic, rust spots, etc.

Re: Wonderfest 2015 - Prime 1 Studio Museum Masterline AoE Lockdown, Optimus and Galvatron Busts (1760732)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on January 29th, 2016 @ 2:43pm CST

Via member Survivefan23, we now have images of the latest Prime-1 Studios creation: Age of Extinction Lockdown! This new statue includes 2 of his Steeljaw pets, multiple faces, multiple hands and weapons and LED lights! The price for this guy is labeled as $1599.00 US dollars, with the option to order extra Steeljaw for $299.00 for a pair. You can check out the full gallery Here and stay tuned for more information on this set!

Re: Wonderfest 2015 - Prime 1 Studio Museum Masterline AoE Lockdown, Optimus and Galvatron Busts (1760868)
Posted by DedicatedGhostArt on January 29th, 2016 @ 9:04pm CST

I... I am just astonished. How can something like that be sculpted and painted so perfectly?

Re: Wonderfest 2015 - Prime 1 Studio Museum Masterline AoE Lockdown, Optimus and Galvatron Busts (1760933)
Posted by Carnivius_Prime on January 30th, 2016 @ 2:53am CST

Again if I was rich I'd be ordering this right now along with all the others.

Re: Wonderfest 2015 - Prime 1 Studio Museum Masterline AoE Lockdown, Optimus and Galvatron Busts (1760950)
Posted by Nemesis Maximo on January 30th, 2016 @ 5:17am CST

If I had a spare $1600 just LYING THE **** AROUND I wouldnt even blink.

Re: Wonderfest 2015 - Prime 1 Studio Museum Masterline AoE Lockdown, Optimus and Galvatron Busts (1761042)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on January 30th, 2016 @ 1:23pm CST

Probably the one thing that lets me down is no face gun option, but he is incredibly beautiful and perfect. I would pick him up if I he didn't cost 1/3 the price of my car...

Re: Wonderfest 2015 - Prime 1 Studio Museum Masterline AoE Lockdown, Optimus and Galvatron Busts (1769758)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on February 25th, 2016 @ 11:21pm CST

Couldn't find the official Prime 1 Studios images of these, but they hadn't been posted so I decided to put them here for you guys to look at (Source: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.940849946000258.1073741955.123318771086717&type=3) :

Re: Wonderfest 2015 - Prime 1 Studio Museum Masterline AoE Lockdown, Optimus and Galvatron Busts (1769795)
Posted by Evil Eye on February 26th, 2016 @ 6:16am CST

That Megatron looks beautiful.

Re: Wonderfest 2015 - Prime 1 Studio Museum Masterline AoE Lockdown, Optimus and Galvatron Busts (1769856)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on February 26th, 2016 @ 11:14am CST

Via the Prime 1 Studios Instagram page, we now have another teaser of their upcoming Generation 1 line to share with you, this time of Optimus Primes left arm, half of his chest and half of his head! With this new image available, it is only a matter of time before we get a full reveal of this new take on the 1980's styled Autobot leader in all his statue glory.

Check out the image mirrored below and stay tuned for all the latest news and galleries here at Seibertron.com!

Re: Wonderfest 2015 - Prime 1 Studio Museum Masterline AoE Lockdown, Optimus and Galvatron Busts (1778607)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on April 6th, 2016 @ 8:37pm CDT

Thanks to our reliable source Survivefan23 we have our next teaser from Prime 1 Studios, this time it is the Movie version of our favorite little jazzy dude who also happens to be a first Lieutenant: Jazz! The 2 teasers have been mirrored below for your enjoyment. Check them out and let us know what you think in the comments section. And as always stay tuned to Seibertron.com for all your latest Transformers News and Galleries!

Re: Wonderfest 2015 - Prime 1 Studio Museum Masterline AoE Lockdown, Optimus and Galvatron Busts (1778677)
Posted by Microraptor on April 7th, 2016 @ 7:35am CDT

I would KILL A MAN for this.

Re: Wonderfest 2015 - Prime 1 Studio Museum Masterline AoE Lockdown, Optimus and Galvatron Busts (1787492)
Posted by Va'al on May 7th, 2016 @ 12:43pm CDT

Once more from the Prime 1 Studio Instagram account we have a teaser of an upcoming project - and a new one but topical it is at that: Beast Wars statues! Starting with the big boss monkey himself, Optimus Primal, which you can see in the teaser image below. What do you think of more replicas homaging the Beast era?

Re: Wonderfest 2015 - Prime 1 Studio Museum Masterline AoE Lockdown, Optimus and Galvatron Busts (1787511)
Posted by shajaki on May 7th, 2016 @ 1:21pm CDT

These are statues right? Regardless I'm probably down.

Re: Wonderfest 2015 - Prime 1 Studio Museum Masterline AoE Lockdown, Optimus and Galvatron Busts (1787611)
Posted by Sabrblade on May 7th, 2016 @ 8:01pm CDT

shajaki wrote:These are statues right?

Extremely detailed statues, yes.

Re: Wonderfest 2015 - Prime 1 Studio Museum Masterline AoE Lockdown, Optimus and Galvatron Busts (1787941)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on May 8th, 2016 @ 10:37pm CDT

Just show us some damn statues already! I'm ready to seeeeeeee :MAXIMAL:

Re: Wonderfest 2015 - Prime 1 Studio Museum Masterline AoE Lockdown, Optimus and Galvatron Busts (1790226)
Posted by Va'al on May 17th, 2016 @ 4:50am CDT

We've seen the new title reveal for the next Paramount live-action Transformers movie - The Last Knight - and riding the wave of the announcement, Prime 1 Studio have let slip that they may be involved somehow, and tease 'exclusive content'. Have they already secured the license for replicas? Discuss away in the Energon Pub!

Hot on the heels of the Transformers 5 title being revealed as “The Last Knight” – the official Transformers Movie Instagram was launched with a quick movie showing Optimus Prime with some seriously colorful battle damage.

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Re: Wonderfest 2015 - Prime 1 Studio Museum Masterline AoE Lockdown, Optimus and Galvatron Busts (1796656)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on June 10th, 2016 @ 3:01pm CDT

Thanks to their Instagram account, Prime 1 Studios has let us know that they will be showing off 5 of their newest statues at the upcoming Wonder Festival in Tokyo, Japan on July 24. These 5 statues appear to be: Movie Ratchet and Jazz(who was previously teased), Generation 1 Optimus Prime and Megatron (both previously were teased), and Optimus Primal (also teased). Check out the teaser image below and let us know what you think in the comments section, and as always stay tuned to Seibertron.com for all your latest Transformers News and Galleries.

Re: Wonderfest 2015 - Prime 1 Studio Museum Masterline AoE Lockdown, Optimus and Galvatron Busts (1796824)
Posted by BumbleDouche on June 11th, 2016 @ 12:06pm CDT

If that's meant to be a G1 Megatron, why does it look like he has wheels on his legs?

Re: Wonderfest 2015 - Prime 1 Studio Museum Masterline AoE Lockdown, Optimus and Galvatron Busts (1797245)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on June 12th, 2016 @ 8:43pm CDT

MegaDump wrote:If that's meant to be a G1 Megatron, why does it look like he has wheels on his legs?

The purpose to be more like a new take on G1. They use similar looks, but newer styles, if that answers your question :MAXIMAL:

Re: Wonderfest 2015 - Prime 1 Studio Museum Masterline AoE Lockdown, Optimus and Galvatron Busts (1801749)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on June 29th, 2016 @ 9:50am CDT

Via both their Facebook and Instagram accounts we now have images of the newly revealed Generation 1 Optimus Prime! This new Prime is a massive 24 inch statue of the great Autobot Leader in his Generation 1 body style, but with movie-verse detailing and design. The design was the work of artist Josh Nizzi. We have mirrored the description given by Prime 1 Studios for the figure as well as all the pictures they posted of their new reveal below. Check it out!

"Freedom is the right of all sentient beings"
Prime 1 Studio is proud to present Premium Masterline Optimus Prime Transformers Generations 1 unique interpretation of the iconic Atobobots Leader.Design by renowned artist Josh Nizzi famous for his interpretation Transformers movies. Optimus Prime is crafted with impressive attention to detail and features LED light-up eyes,standing around 24 inches tall and is an ultimate Optimus Prime piece for all Transformers Fans.
Statue Features:
- 24 Inch tall [Size] 61.8cm (Body:52.6cm(H),Base:11.9cm(H),36.6cm(W),Base:31.4cmm(D)
- LED light up function on head.
Exclusive version:
- Switchable Energy Axe
Edition Size:
Exclusive version: 750
Regular version: 1500
Retail Price: 999$USD
- Production sample shown.
- Product details could be subjected to change without further notice.

Re: Wonderfest 2015 - Prime 1 Studio Museum Masterline AoE Lockdown, Optimus and Galvatron Busts (1801752)
Posted by Kurona on June 29th, 2016 @ 9:54am CDT

... y'know... I'm expecting a ton of people to say this, and I don't mean to sound like some genwunner and say "This is how he should have looked in the movies"
... but goddammit, I wish this is how he looked in the movies. It's such a cool design; it adds realism to the base idea and concept while adding a lot of new and streamlined elements without deviating too far from it. You can look at it and easily see Optimus Prime but also feel something very new and different about it.

Re: Wonderfest 2015 - Prime 1 Studio Museum Masterline AoE Lockdown, Optimus and Galvatron Busts (1801755)
Posted by Sabrblade on June 29th, 2016 @ 9:56am CDT

Reminds me of when Don Figueroa did his own take on a Movie-style design for G1 Optimus:

Re: Wonderfest 2015 - Prime 1 Studio Museum Masterline AoE Lockdown, Optimus and Galvatron Busts (1801757)
Posted by Noideaforaname on June 29th, 2016 @ 9:58am CDT

Too G1 for me. We got enough G1 Optimuses, I'd like something a little different. Was hoping for something more like the original concept art, a more even mix of Movie and G1.

Re: Wonderfest 2015 - Prime 1 Studio Museum Masterline AoE Lockdown, Optimus and Galvatron Busts (1801760)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on June 29th, 2016 @ 10:01am CDT

I really dig the design. It is beautifully done

Re: Wonderfest 2015 - Prime 1 Studio Museum Masterline AoE Lockdown, Optimus and Galvatron Busts (1801765)
Posted by BeastProwl on June 29th, 2016 @ 10:15am CDT

Okay I have a question. This design is awesome and all that, but who keeps buying these? They keep releasing them, and their over $1,000 usually right? Who is their market exactly?

Re: Wonderfest 2015 - Prime 1 Studio Museum Masterline AoE Lockdown, Optimus and Galvatron Busts (1801776)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on June 29th, 2016 @ 10:31am CDT

BeastProwl wrote:Okay I have a question. This design is awesome and all that, but who keeps buying these? They keep releasing them, and their over $1,000 usually right? Who is their market exactly?

Higher end collectors get their hands on these.

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