Wonder Festival Shows off Sentinel Gigantic Action Scorponok and Black Zarak

Are these supposed to be like, pity-treats for the masses because they don't want to take the time to engineer ones that will actually transform? I'm so confused. On a different note: BEST ACTION MASTERS EVAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

transformers with no transformation... lame... looking good, but dissapointing

K2vox wrote:Are these supposed to be like, pity-treats for the masses because they don't want to take the time to engineer ones that will actually transform? I'm so confused. On a different note: BEST ACTION MASTERS EVAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This.

so what are these 500 a piece?

Ultra Markus wrote:so what are these 500 a piece?

have to be cheaper than Metroplex... Metroplex has triple transformation.

Best Scorponok EVER.........now only if it transformed. I don't understand why you wouldn't engineer that. This thing is so close to the G1 figure and it's the simplest of transformations.
They're also asking WAAAY too much money for this thing.

The real question is, do they transform? If yes, my wallet gonna hurt. If not, but why?

EDIT:
Actually read the thread this time. So,

The downside to making a BlackZarak version of this is that, though this Scorponok is big enough to fight Fort Max, this BlackZarak is now too big to fight God Ginrai.

Ginrai was wearing Apex Armor and riding Grand Maximus when he fought Zarak so...

Poyguimogul wrote:Ginrai was wearing Apex Armor

I did say God Ginrai, did I not?

Poyguimogul wrote:and riding Grand Maximus

Not in every fight between God Ginrai and BlackZarak. Certainly not in the final episode battle, which was arguably their most famous fight.

You call it a Transformer, but it doesn't transform.

That is just completely pointless.

The first question that comes to my mind isn't about Black Zarak. But rather, does this Scorponok transform? Well...

Does it?

But I can see that question has already been answered so I won't be wasting my money on either of these statues.

To be fair, it's not only enormous but also highly articulated and very "anime" proportioned. Getting that thing to transform whilst also remaining fully articulated and keeping those sweet, sweet proportions would be nigh-on impossible (at least without driving the price up super high). Also there might be some licensing thing that stops them making a transforming version.

Regardless, that thing is beautiful. I want one!

Impossible? All you have to do to transform Scorponok is extend the bug legs out. Put his arms up over his head, fold his legs back on themselves at the knee and then plug in the stinger. Done.
There is actually only one thing that "transforms" on G1 Scorp and that's the lower kegs and the stinger. It's soooo easy and simple that it could be easily pulled off with this "super articulated" figure.

I agree that it's a totally super awesome looking Scorponok though. I desperately want it but won't pay that price for it and I would always harbor resentment towards it because it doesn't transform when it so easily could be possible if following the G1 design. Which they slavishly followed with this action figure.

I was seriously considering getting this Scorponok back when I first saw the prototype/test shot, but now that there are at least 2 transforming 3rd party options upcoming, I'll be getting one or both of them instead. Sorry Takara, I love you, but this isn't quite good enough. Maybe if the model were more extreme I could excuse the lack of alt modes, but it isn't. They mainly just stripped off the bits necessary for its alt modes (bug legs and stinger/tail) and called it a day.

xyl360 wrote:I was seriously considering getting this Scorponok back when I first saw the prototype/test shot, but now that there are at least 2 transforming 3rd party options upcoming, I'll be getting one or both of them instead. Sorry Takara, I love you, but this isn't quite good enough. Maybe if the model were more extreme I could excuse the lack of alt modes, but it isn't. They mainly just stripped off the bits necessary for its alt modes (bug legs and stinger/tail) and called it a day.

Exaaaaactly...'nuff said!

You guys do realize it's not TakaraTomy making this right? Licensees don't necessarily have the know-how of making a proper transforming toy.

MGrotusque wrote:Impossible? All you have to do to transform Scorponok is extend the bug legs out. Put his arms up over his head, fold his legs back on themselves at the knee and then plug in the stinger. Done.
There is actually only one thing that "transforms" on G1 Scorp and that's the lower kegs and the stinger. It's soooo easy and simple that it could be easily pulled off with this "super articulated" figure.

Delta Mgnus might have been referring to it being able to also transform into its City Mode in addition to the much less complex Scorpion Mode.

Sabrblade wrote:

MGrotusque wrote:Impossible? All you have to do to transform Scorponok is extend the bug legs out. Put his arms up over his head, fold his legs back on themselves at the knee and then plug in the stinger. Done.
There is actually only one thing that "transforms" on G1 Scorp and that's the lower kegs and the stinger. It's soooo easy and simple that it could be easily pulled off with this "super articulated" figure.

Delta Mgnus might have been referring to it being able to also transform into its City Mode in addition to the much less complex Scorpion Mode.

Yeah, that. One of the big problems with getting it to transform, I think, is the extremely nice, stylized animesque proportions- almost all the components are tapered, exaggerated or deformed in such a way that it looks awesome (like Dreamwave except not awful) but that it would make folding the thing up rather difficult- the thing wouldn't fit flush together without lots of folding panels, ugly hinges and obvious breaks in the sculpt (or worse, partsforming). It's intended to be a really nice, faithful depiction of his robot mode as it appeared in the cartoon/anime, rather than an update on the original toy. A bit like the Trasformers Revoltechs and the like.

Also, AFAIK, Sentinel doesn't really do transforming figures.

The problem is with Takara Tomy, they aren't about to let another company make an actual Transformer figure, even if they are nice enough to properly buy a license. Sure, they can make all the transforming pens, ball caps, and candy toys they want, but no making figures better than they can. Closest we've come is that transforming exo suit by CM's Company, but they went under.

I'd love to have this Scorponok, but US$500 is way to much for me.

Emerje

Delta Magnus wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

MGrotusque wrote:Impossible? All you have to do to transform Scorponok is extend the bug legs out. Put his arms up over his head, fold his legs back on themselves at the knee and then plug in the stinger. Done.
There is actually only one thing that "transforms" on G1 Scorp and that's the lower kegs and the stinger. It's soooo easy and simple that it could be easily pulled off with this "super articulated" figure.

Delta Mgnus might have been referring to it being able to also transform into its City Mode in addition to the much less complex Scorpion Mode.

Yeah, that. One of the big problems with getting it to transform, I think, is the extremely nice, stylized animesque proportions- almost all the components are tapered, exaggerated or deformed in such a way that it looks awesome (like Dreamwave except not awful) but that it would make folding the thing up rather difficult- the thing wouldn't fit flush together without lots of folding panels, ugly hinges and obvious breaks in the sculpt (or worse, partsforming). It's intended to be a really nice, faithful depiction of his robot mode as it appeared in the cartoon/anime, rather than an update on the original toy. A bit like the Trasformers Revoltechs and the like.

Also, AFAIK, Sentinel doesn't really do transforming figures.

Yeah. I see where your coming from. That pesky city mode. Forgot all about it to be honest.
I wonder why it's so expensive though. Sure it's a specialized and highly stylized figure but it doesn't transform. I also know it's a massive figure from a 3rd party.....MASSSIVE. It's unprecedented in those regards but i can't help but think it would be better for sales at a 300 dollar price tag instead of the rumored 5 bills asking price. I don't know if that number has actually been confirmed yet.

Thanks to AmiAmi we have official images of the Sentinel Megazarak (Scorponok)and Black Zarak that we just saw at the Wonder Festival here. Standing at about two feet tall, these "Gigantic Action" non-transforming figures are scaled with the Generation 1 Fortress Maximus toy. Megazarak is due to be released in late October of this year and black Zarak will be released in late November, both come with a pricetag of 48,600 yen. We've mirrored the images below for your viewing pleasures and remember keep your optics tuned to Seibertron.com for the latest in news and updates, plus the best galleries around!

Still can't figure out what I'd want with a non-transforming Transformers toy.

But then, there's more than one kind of collector out there.

I have no idea how I'm going to afford scorponok without risking my marriage

Pretty sweet, pretty big, pretty expensive... my thoughts in that exact order!

Im still trying to get why they couldnt have made this a transforming mold ? Hollowout the legs so they fold in, flip the arms up, rotate the cannons, tail flips out from behind, remove the head, and a scorpion head attaches in its place. How hard could it be ? I can understand no city mode, but no scorpion mode is plain stupid.

Rated X wrote:Im still trying to get why they couldnt have made this a transforming mold ? Hollowout the legs so they fold in, flip the arms up, rotate the cannons, tail flips out from behind, remove the head, and a scorpion head attaches in its place. How hard could it be ? I can understand no city mode, but no scorpion mode is plain stupid.

Because they are not Takara and it's not what they do.

Yeah, it's not that their incapable of making these transform into Scorpion Modes. It's the bureaucracy on of it all that legally prohibits them from doing so.

Next week on Springer: When plastic prices collide with rent!

Oh if it only transformed... For around $500 you get a gigantic poseable figure that looks cool but does not transform.

Useless. 2x the price of Fortmax and won't transform......hard core if you've got the dough but aren't they "Transformers"

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Sabrblade wrote:Yeah, it's not that their incapable of making these transform into Scorpion Modes. It's the bureaucracy on of it all that legally prohibits them from doing so.

Its stuff like this that spawned the existance of 3rd parties in the first place. I could easily see an up and coming company buy one just to reverse mold it and retool it to transform...

And they'll sell it like 200 bucks less and ill buy one.

There's also the possibility that maybe they just didn't want to make it transform, instead wanting to make a giant articulated action figure, one that's never been done before.

Sabrblade wrote:There's also the possibility that maybe they just didn't want to make it transform, instead wanting to make a giant articulated action figure, one that's never been done before.

True, but those figures are going to take up alot of real estate in warehouses if they didnt read the fans correctly. BBTS changed their system so you cant tell how many of one item they have in stock. But when you could, I remember a lot of items over $500 they would only keep 10 or less in stock. I dont see the retailers taking risk with this in great numbers. Just my opinion.

Well, folks, all I can say is, if both were vastly more affordable than they are now, I'd buy both in a heartbeat. the price is the only thing keeping me from going after either of them.

I do not buy Transformers that do not...Transform.

i dont have the scorn for non transforming transformers that most have. and he does look awesome. amazingly awesome.

BUT.

five hundred bucks? seriously? hes the same size as fort max and generations metroplex, they transform, and cost half that. and im betting when those two 3rd party scorponoks hit the market, these things will be even more redundant.

It might be expensive but if anyone is still interested:

Preorders are up at Big Bad Toy Store for
Transformers Gigantic Megazarak (Scorponok) 22" Figure

http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/search.aspx?search=scorponok

Wow, those new photos look amazing. Here's to hoping they make a Fort Max to go with him.

Wow, that price. Guess what I'm not getting? These. I will not be buying these action figures.

If they were HALF that price, then maybe. But these things have nothing to offer me. There's little justification I'll accept for them being ginormous Action Masters.

Delta Magnus wrote:Wow, those new photos look amazing. Here's to hoping they make a Fort Max to go with him.

They already did. Back in 1987.

These are meant to go with the original G1 mold due to their size matching that of that toy.

Sabrblade wrote:

Delta Magnus wrote:Wow, those new photos look amazing. Here's to hoping they make a Fort Max to go with him.

They already did. Back in 1987.

These are meant to go with the original G1 mold due to their size matching that of that toy.

*SMACK*

What I meant was a fully-poseable "anime proportions" one- G1 Fort Max is great for his time (and goes well with this) but his articulation is nothing to write home about and he's a little...tubby.

RSDADDIMUS2 wrote:I do not buy Transformers that do not...Transform.

So you don't have:

-G1 Action Masters
-PVCs - SCF/Heroes of Cybertron/MyClones
-Robot Heroes
-Attacktix
-statues (Hard Hero)
-busts (Hard Hero)
-Revoltech
-Robot Replicas
-Hero Mashers
-Kreons
-3" Titaniums
-BW 10th Anniversary Transmutate

Thanks to Twitter user lovekagari158, we get a nice long look at the gigantic, officially licensed, non-transforming, highly posable and just all-round fun guy Sentinel Gigantic Action Scorponok! We've mirrored the images below, showing off the size of this mammoth toy and how it compares to predecessors and various class sizes - check them out.

So, yeah. My birthday is in February guys! *hint hint*

Holy smeg, he's HUGE! I love him!

Beautiful. Too bad there's no Transformation!

It's happening! It's really arriving this year!