What we Discovered About Transformers Power of the Primes: Enigma of Combination, Starscream Combiner Mode, Optimus Primal and More!
Sunday, September 10th, 2017 11:11PM CDT
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Reveals are fun and reveals at conventions are even better. My favourite part though is when it settles down and we can take a longer look at what we see and extract all the juicy info. While the reveals were few at Hascon, we now have a very good idea at what is in stores with Power of the Primes with our first look at particular new play patterns that were not on display before and are now confirmed.
Combiner Hands, Feet and Enigma of Combination
Power of the Primes is basically Combiner Wars 2.0, at least when it comes to Deluxes and Voyagers. People were wondering about the combiner feet and hands since they seemed absent from previous reveals. Well we finally got them this time. The voyagers come with a pair of feet.
You can see one of the feet here.
Combiner Hands and Enigma of Combination
Each deluxe comes with a combiner hand with 2 thumbs on opposite ends and an example can be seen in the image below. There is a hole in the middle that is titan/prime master and it is currently holding the clear plastic Enigma of Combination. You can actually see the titan/prime master compatible Enigma near the hand, it is a convex circle with a red cross and comes with Grimlock.
Here is Starscream's Enigma.
The hands will also be able to tab onto the chest (there is a peg hole on each dinobot deluxe chest to accommodate this) of deluxes to give them some sort of power armour and the combiner feet become gauntlets for the voyagers, as seen below.
With the 5 combining Dinobots, you end up with 2 feet and 4 hands and while that may seem redundant, it isn't since the extra hands combine with the combiner torso to beef it up, as you can see in the image below. It seems the distribution of these hands and feet among deluxes and voyagers is to ensure that buying any combination of limbs with a voyager will give a fan all they needs to have different pieces for the feet and the hands without resorting to boxsets, like the later combiners wars toys which did have different hands and feet pieces.
Also, it has been confirmed throughout the week that, as in Combiner Wars, every deluxe in Power of the Primes can be an arm or a leg.
Starscream's Combiner Mode
To be honest, it took a while for me to make sense of this because all I could see on the side of Starscream's box was ... Starscream again. But then I saw the crown and looked at his limbs and realize this was indeed the combined mode. Voyager Starscream's combined mode is King Starscream. The big nosecone in the robot mode's back finally comes into play since it hides the combiner head and makes up the chest with real kibble this time. The wings end up being what we see on the back of the solo robot mode, so we get all the alt mode detail they have here.
It is also very important to note that like he Optimus Prime voyager we got in the first wave of Combiner Wars, this toy isn't meant to team up with anyone specifically. He is just an extra torso to use as you wish since we see him with some abominus limbs.
Optimus Primal's Alt Mode
There was lots of confusion over this part and it is very understandable because the slide does indeed show a lot of contradicting artwork. However, as has been stated for the previously seen Predaking mock up, this means Hasbro thinks we fans are ready to see more into their process and are intelligent enough to understand what is a finished toy, what is a mock u and what is simply a character design. Below is the now infamous Optimus Primal slide from his reveal which shows the toy's process. On the left is the very first phase, the character design. At that point in time it is just an artist's rendition (in this case Emiliano Santalucia's) of what the toy could look like. The artist drew both a robot and beast mode for the smaller Optimus Primal and larger Optimal Optimus figures. You will then realize that none of what is seen on the left is what the final toy looks like.
On the right of that same image is the interpretation of that design into toy form by famed Takara designer Hasui (the guy responsible for your favourite Masterpiece toys, Combiner Wars Devastator and most Starscream toys). As you can see, this is where the actual toy starts becoming concrete. This is where we see that Hasui has taken the initial designs from the artist and made them work into the Power of the Primes leader gimmick where the smaller "deluxe" toy combines with the larger toy for the leader class robot mode. It is at that early stage that the toy desgner, Hasui in this case, chooses to remove the smaller gorilla mode.
For those wondering, the deluxe sized Optimus Primal turns into a long ship which becomes a surfboard for the Optimal Optimus gorilla mode. And then, the Optimal Optimus robot mode is only achieved when you combine both together since the surfboard (deluxe Primal) becomes the chest and the backpack for Optimal Optimus.
Hopefully this cleared up any questions fans may have had. If you have others, please reach out to us and the community on the boards. We look forward to hearing from you!
Combiner Hands, Feet and Enigma of Combination
Power of the Primes is basically Combiner Wars 2.0, at least when it comes to Deluxes and Voyagers. People were wondering about the combiner feet and hands since they seemed absent from previous reveals. Well we finally got them this time. The voyagers come with a pair of feet.
You can see one of the feet here.
Combiner Hands and Enigma of Combination
Each deluxe comes with a combiner hand with 2 thumbs on opposite ends and an example can be seen in the image below. There is a hole in the middle that is titan/prime master and it is currently holding the clear plastic Enigma of Combination. You can actually see the titan/prime master compatible Enigma near the hand, it is a convex circle with a red cross and comes with Grimlock.
Here is Starscream's Enigma.
The hands will also be able to tab onto the chest (there is a peg hole on each dinobot deluxe chest to accommodate this) of deluxes to give them some sort of power armour and the combiner feet become gauntlets for the voyagers, as seen below.
With the 5 combining Dinobots, you end up with 2 feet and 4 hands and while that may seem redundant, it isn't since the extra hands combine with the combiner torso to beef it up, as you can see in the image below. It seems the distribution of these hands and feet among deluxes and voyagers is to ensure that buying any combination of limbs with a voyager will give a fan all they needs to have different pieces for the feet and the hands without resorting to boxsets, like the later combiners wars toys which did have different hands and feet pieces.
Also, it has been confirmed throughout the week that, as in Combiner Wars, every deluxe in Power of the Primes can be an arm or a leg.
Starscream's Combiner Mode
To be honest, it took a while for me to make sense of this because all I could see on the side of Starscream's box was ... Starscream again. But then I saw the crown and looked at his limbs and realize this was indeed the combined mode. Voyager Starscream's combined mode is King Starscream. The big nosecone in the robot mode's back finally comes into play since it hides the combiner head and makes up the chest with real kibble this time. The wings end up being what we see on the back of the solo robot mode, so we get all the alt mode detail they have here.
It is also very important to note that like he Optimus Prime voyager we got in the first wave of Combiner Wars, this toy isn't meant to team up with anyone specifically. He is just an extra torso to use as you wish since we see him with some abominus limbs.
Optimus Primal's Alt Mode
There was lots of confusion over this part and it is very understandable because the slide does indeed show a lot of contradicting artwork. However, as has been stated for the previously seen Predaking mock up, this means Hasbro thinks we fans are ready to see more into their process and are intelligent enough to understand what is a finished toy, what is a mock u and what is simply a character design. Below is the now infamous Optimus Primal slide from his reveal which shows the toy's process. On the left is the very first phase, the character design. At that point in time it is just an artist's rendition (in this case Emiliano Santalucia's) of what the toy could look like. The artist drew both a robot and beast mode for the smaller Optimus Primal and larger Optimal Optimus figures. You will then realize that none of what is seen on the left is what the final toy looks like.
On the right of that same image is the interpretation of that design into toy form by famed Takara designer Hasui (the guy responsible for your favourite Masterpiece toys, Combiner Wars Devastator and most Starscream toys). As you can see, this is where the actual toy starts becoming concrete. This is where we see that Hasui has taken the initial designs from the artist and made them work into the Power of the Primes leader gimmick where the smaller "deluxe" toy combines with the larger toy for the leader class robot mode. It is at that early stage that the toy desgner, Hasui in this case, chooses to remove the smaller gorilla mode.
For those wondering, the deluxe sized Optimus Primal turns into a long ship which becomes a surfboard for the Optimal Optimus gorilla mode. And then, the Optimal Optimus robot mode is only achieved when you combine both together since the surfboard (deluxe Primal) becomes the chest and the backpack for Optimal Optimus.
Hopefully this cleared up any questions fans may have had. If you have others, please reach out to us and the community on the boards. We look forward to hearing from you!
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Re: What we Discovered About Transformers Power of the Primes: Enigma of Combination, Starscream Combiner Mode, Optimus Primal and More! (1910036)
Posted by Qwan on September 10th, 2017 @ 11:37pm CDT
Posted by Qwan on September 10th, 2017 @ 11:37pm CDT
Fantastic roundup Will! Helped me catch up on a few things I must have missed from the galleries. I like the look of the new combiner feets, though I think they might still be a tiny bit on the small side for my liking - I'll have to see more in-hand stuff to be sure though. (Also, is it just me or do Vole-canicus' feet bear a bit of a resemblance to those of Movie Optimus? Just me? Thought so.) It also looks like maaaybe the fingers on these new combiner hands will be able to open out all the way this time, instead of just to an awkward claw-hand position. It doesn't seem to be shown in any of the prototype images we've seen so far, but judging from that show-floor picture it looks like the clearances might be right for it this time around.
I'm gonna have to wait and see for Starscream's torso mode. Admittedly the figure itself is looking significantly less godawful to me now than it was back at first reveal, but the coolness of the torso mode in-hand is going to be the make-or-break decision for me on this one, and though the box-side art looks really nice it doesn't give me too much to go off of yet.
But perhaps most importantly to me, Grimlock's Enigma looks delicious (DON'T EAT THE PIECES) and I cannot wait to use it as a head for absolutely everyone. I adore that they're keeping TR-compatibility on all these things (even though there isn't a neck-joint) so that we can give TR figures Matrix heads and put faces on the tummies of PoTP Deluxes.
I'm gonna have to wait and see for Starscream's torso mode. Admittedly the figure itself is looking significantly less godawful to me now than it was back at first reveal, but the coolness of the torso mode in-hand is going to be the make-or-break decision for me on this one, and though the box-side art looks really nice it doesn't give me too much to go off of yet.
But perhaps most importantly to me, Grimlock's Enigma looks delicious (DON'T EAT THE PIECES) and I cannot wait to use it as a head for absolutely everyone. I adore that they're keeping TR-compatibility on all these things (even though there isn't a neck-joint) so that we can give TR figures Matrix heads and put faces on the tummies of PoTP Deluxes.
Re: What we Discovered About Transformers Power of the Primes: Enigma of Combination, Starscream Combiner Mode, Optimus Primal and More! (1910037)
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on September 10th, 2017 @ 11:44pm CDT
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on September 10th, 2017 @ 11:44pm CDT
Well, I was kinda hoping that they would've fixed the wings on Darkwing so they would angle properly. If this was a case of either heavy retool or nothing at all, I'd have taken nothing at all and been happy with my Kabaya kits.
How cool would it have been if Hot Rod and Rodimus had removable heads so you could use the respective Titan Masters? Also, those saying Star Saber would be perfect in this line need to remember that Star Saber isn't an "Evolution" of Saber, but armor that saber wears. While cool wouldn't work with the theme of the line.
How cool would it have been if Hot Rod and Rodimus had removable heads so you could use the respective Titan Masters? Also, those saying Star Saber would be perfect in this line need to remember that Star Saber isn't an "Evolution" of Saber, but armor that saber wears. While cool wouldn't work with the theme of the line.
Re: What we Discovered About Transformers Power of the Primes: Enigma of Combination, Starscream Combiner Mode, Optimus Primal and More! (1910039)
Posted by CobraKai on September 11th, 2017 @ 12:34am CDT
Posted by CobraKai on September 11th, 2017 @ 12:34am CDT
At first glance, Optimus looked nice. Then I realized Orion Pax needs a trailer to look like a standard Optimus Prime figure (usually without a trailer). Then I realized his chest kibble is a cheat.... AGAIN!! Is it that hard to engineer Optimus to have real chest windows? At least Powermaster Prime got it.
Re: What we Discovered About Transformers Power of the Primes: Enigma of Combination, Starscream Combiner Mode, Optimus Primal and More! (1910041)
Posted by Rysquad on September 11th, 2017 @ 1:02am CDT
Posted by Rysquad on September 11th, 2017 @ 1:02am CDT
The Titan/Prime Master driver/riding gimmick is only on the Legends Class figures?
Re: What we Discovered About Transformers Power of the Primes: Enigma of Combination, Starscream Combiner Mode, Optimus Primal and More! (1910043)
Posted by Qwan on September 11th, 2017 @ 1:09am CDT
Seems like it, yeah. I would've been astonished if they'd been able to work both that and combining into Deluxe and Voyager figures so I'm not surprised there. But on the other hand, if that Primal prototype is indicative of the rest of the line, just maybe it'll be possible for TMs/PMs to pilot Leader figures if the Matrix-areas act as cockpits? Hard to say really, but it might be possible, so I wouldn't give up hope just yet (for Leader figures, at least).
Posted by Qwan on September 11th, 2017 @ 1:09am CDT
Rysquad wrote:The Titan/Prime Master driver/riding gimmick is only on the Legends Class figures?
Seems like it, yeah. I would've been astonished if they'd been able to work both that and combining into Deluxe and Voyager figures so I'm not surprised there. But on the other hand, if that Primal prototype is indicative of the rest of the line, just maybe it'll be possible for TMs/PMs to pilot Leader figures if the Matrix-areas act as cockpits? Hard to say really, but it might be possible, so I wouldn't give up hope just yet (for Leader figures, at least).
Re: What we Discovered About Transformers Power of the Primes: Enigma of Combination, Starscream Combiner Mode, Optimus Primal and More! (1910046)
Posted by Kurona on September 11th, 2017 @ 2:24am CDT
Posted by Kurona on September 11th, 2017 @ 2:24am CDT
Starscream isn't too surprising in retrospect -- after all, we saw he has a redeco in Elita-1 and we saw we have Deluxe Female Autobots coming. I think I may have just latched onto the idea of him getting a dedicated team because of Darkwing and Dreadwind... but at the same time, does this mean we're now getting extra limbs as well as extra torsos?
I must admit, I wish they found some way for the extra hands to combine with the feet to make bigger Combiner feet instead of torso-filling. That way it could have gotten around the silly proportion problems.
I must admit, I wish they found some way for the extra hands to combine with the feet to make bigger Combiner feet instead of torso-filling. That way it could have gotten around the silly proportion problems.
Re: What we Discovered About Transformers Power of the Primes: Enigma of Combination, Starscream Combiner Mode, Optimus Primal and More! (1910052)
Posted by RodimusRex on September 11th, 2017 @ 4:02am CDT
It would be hard to give him animation accurate chest windows and robot mode while having him transform into an Earth-based tractor trailer rather than a Cybertronian vehicle. Similar issues would exist with a Starscream who was meant to have a War for Cybertron robot mode while transforming into an Earth jet.
Posted by RodimusRex on September 11th, 2017 @ 4:02am CDT
CobraKai wrote:At first glance, Optimus looked nice. Then I realized Orion Pax needs a trailer to look like a standard Optimus Prime figure (usually without a trailer). Then I realized his chest kibble is a cheat.... AGAIN!! Is it that hard to engineer Optimus to have real chest windows? At least Powermaster Prime got it.
It would be hard to give him animation accurate chest windows and robot mode while having him transform into an Earth-based tractor trailer rather than a Cybertronian vehicle. Similar issues would exist with a Starscream who was meant to have a War for Cybertron robot mode while transforming into an Earth jet.
Re: What we Discovered About Transformers Power of the Primes: Enigma of Combination, Starscream Combiner Mode, Optimus Primal and More! (1910064)
Posted by Emerje on September 11th, 2017 @ 5:38am CDT
Posted by Emerje on September 11th, 2017 @ 5:38am CDT
You know, part of me wishes Slash was a Deluxe optional fifth deluxe that left Swoop free to form wings on Volcanicus' back.
The more I look at Leader Optimus Prime the more I see the potential in future uses. Orion Pax and the trailer can be retooled into a better Powermaster OP without too many big changes. Then use the new Deluxe PM OP in white with a further modified trailer to make Ultra Magnus. The way Prime's arms go across the top of the trailer is very much like how UM's do. I doubt it'll happen in PotP, but the engineering is there for future use.
I saw the debate about how Hound and Arcee would have been done for the evolving Leader class gimmick. I'm thinking they would simply create a new evolved form for the either of them in the same vein as Hot Rod and Rodimus Prime. Leader class figures do come with a Matrix after all.
I kinda want an A3 that evolves into a Leader Alpha Trion.
I'm looking forward to forming King Starscream with Headmaster Starscream in his chest and Ghost Starscream as an arm.
Emerje
The more I look at Leader Optimus Prime the more I see the potential in future uses. Orion Pax and the trailer can be retooled into a better Powermaster OP without too many big changes. Then use the new Deluxe PM OP in white with a further modified trailer to make Ultra Magnus. The way Prime's arms go across the top of the trailer is very much like how UM's do. I doubt it'll happen in PotP, but the engineering is there for future use.
I saw the debate about how Hound and Arcee would have been done for the evolving Leader class gimmick. I'm thinking they would simply create a new evolved form for the either of them in the same vein as Hot Rod and Rodimus Prime. Leader class figures do come with a Matrix after all.
I kinda want an A3 that evolves into a Leader Alpha Trion.
I'm looking forward to forming King Starscream with Headmaster Starscream in his chest and Ghost Starscream as an arm.
Emerje
Re: What we Discovered About Transformers Power of the Primes: Enigma of Combination, Starscream Combiner Mode, Optimus Primal and More! (1910065)
Posted by Deathsanras on September 11th, 2017 @ 5:46am CDT
Wait, so since Optimus Primal, Hot Rod and Orion Pax are all Deluxes, albeit paired with the Leader gimmick, does that mean they also function as combiner limbs, and thus there could be a "Primes" combiner?
Posted by Deathsanras on September 11th, 2017 @ 5:46am CDT
Also, it has been confirmed throughout the week that, as in Combiner Wars, every deluxe in Power of the Primes can be an arm or a leg.
Wait, so since Optimus Primal, Hot Rod and Orion Pax are all Deluxes, albeit paired with the Leader gimmick, does that mean they also function as combiner limbs, and thus there could be a "Primes" combiner?
Re: What we Discovered About Transformers Power of the Primes: Enigma of Combination, Starscream Combiner Mode, Optimus Primal and More! (1910067)
Posted by Qwan on September 11th, 2017 @ 5:57am CDT
They're Deluxe(-ish)-sized figures, but not actually Deluxes. So unfortunately no, as cool as that would have been.
Posted by Qwan on September 11th, 2017 @ 5:57am CDT
Deathsanras wrote:Also, it has been confirmed throughout the week that, as in Combiner Wars, every deluxe in Power of the Primes can be an arm or a leg.
Wait, so since Optimus Primal, Hot Rod and Orion Pax are all Deluxes, albeit paired with the Leader gimmick, does that mean they also function as combiner limbs, and thus there could be a "Primes" combiner?
They're Deluxe(-ish)-sized figures, but not actually Deluxes. So unfortunately no, as cool as that would have been.
Re: What we Discovered About Transformers Power of the Primes: Enigma of Combination, Starscream Combiner Mode, Optimus Primal and More! (1910068)
Posted by Dagon on September 11th, 2017 @ 6:15am CDT
Do you mean like the Deluxe figure from Rodimus could be used with Optimus or Primal? That would be pretty neat, and there's a chance that the larger bodies might be engineered similarly enough to make it possible. Possibly.
We knew Starsream was going to be a torso from the SDCC images. That may have been the worst kept secret of this convention. But, what if since the combined mode is going to be crowned Starscream, what if they just reuse the Galvatronus head from CW Cyclonus? It's kind of crownish already.... and that would be unfortunate.
Posted by Dagon on September 11th, 2017 @ 6:15am CDT
Deathsanras wrote:Also, it has been confirmed throughout the week that, as in Combiner Wars, every deluxe in Power of the Primes can be an arm or a leg.
Wait, so since Optimus Primal, Hot Rod and Orion Pax are all Deluxes, albeit paired with the Leader gimmick, does that mean they also function as combiner limbs, and thus there could be a "Primes" combiner?
Do you mean like the Deluxe figure from Rodimus could be used with Optimus or Primal? That would be pretty neat, and there's a chance that the larger bodies might be engineered similarly enough to make it possible. Possibly.
We knew Starsream was going to be a torso from the SDCC images. That may have been the worst kept secret of this convention. But, what if since the combined mode is going to be crowned Starscream, what if they just reuse the Galvatronus head from CW Cyclonus? It's kind of crownish already.... and that would be unfortunate.
Re: What we Discovered About Transformers Power of the Primes: Enigma of Combination, Starscream Combiner Mode, Optimus Primal and More! (1910071)
Posted by Kurona on September 11th, 2017 @ 6:42am CDT
Posted by Kurona on September 11th, 2017 @ 6:42am CDT
He just meant the single-release figures actually marked as Deluxes I'm afraid, not figures that happen to be around that size. In the same vein, one would say every Voyager in CW forms a torso; but of course that's not the case for the 'Voyager' Constructicons that form Titan Devastator.
Either way though, from this presentation it seems clear that the smaller figures that form part of the Leaders are not actually Deluxe; but somewhere in between that and Voyager. Compare Hot Rod and Dreadwind in these pictures, for instance.
edit: Additionally, look how big Orion Pax is compared to the Leader he's a part of; that's no Deluxe.
Either way though, from this presentation it seems clear that the smaller figures that form part of the Leaders are not actually Deluxe; but somewhere in between that and Voyager. Compare Hot Rod and Dreadwind in these pictures, for instance.
edit: Additionally, look how big Orion Pax is compared to the Leader he's a part of; that's no Deluxe.
Re: What we Discovered About Transformers Power of the Primes: Enigma of Combination, Starscream Combiner Mode, Optimus Primal and More! (1910074)
Posted by ExciKaiser on September 11th, 2017 @ 7:03am CDT
Not sure. Dreadwing is doing a... pose...
Posted by ExciKaiser on September 11th, 2017 @ 7:03am CDT
Kurona wrote: Compare Hot Rod and Dreadwind in these pictures, for instance.[/img]
Not sure. Dreadwing is doing a... pose...
Re: What we Discovered About Transformers Power of the Primes: Enigma of Combination, Starscream Combiner Mode, Optimus Primal and More! (1910075)
Posted by Albatross250 on September 11th, 2017 @ 7:17am CDT
I-Is that Thunderwing... and Megatronus?!
Posted by Albatross250 on September 11th, 2017 @ 7:17am CDT
I-Is that Thunderwing... and Megatronus?!
Re: What we Discovered About Transformers Power of the Primes: Enigma of Combination, Starscream Combiner Mode, Optimus Primal and More! (1910077)
Posted by durroth on September 11th, 2017 @ 7:17am CDT
Posted by durroth on September 11th, 2017 @ 7:17am CDT
the ports on grimlock are pretty obvious when you look at him. they're on his legs and tail/arms and legs for beast and robot respectively. I'm actually a little annoyed that they put the port openings on his tail on the outside rather than inside so they'd be on the inner side of the legs in robot mode and invisible in dino modeshajaki wrote:Hello all. Big fan. Fist time caller, long time listener.
Been lookin at the combiners... it's hard to find the actual combiner ports. Ripper looks like he has a one in his chest. Hungy's hind legs look reminiscent of a combiner torso dude. But Mister Dinobiner? I don't see anything like the other combiners on him....
Re: What we Discovered About Transformers Power of the Primes: Enigma of Combination, Starscream Combiner Mode, Optimus Primal and More! (1910078)
Posted by Rainmaker on September 11th, 2017 @ 7:33am CDT
Posted by Rainmaker on September 11th, 2017 @ 7:33am CDT
Does the matrix use the headmaster ports from TR? Does that mean we can give a TR figure a matrix head?
Re: What we Discovered About Transformers Power of the Primes: Enigma of Combination, Starscream Combiner Mode, Optimus Primal and More! (1910079)
Posted by ExciKaiser on September 11th, 2017 @ 7:36am CDT
Posted by ExciKaiser on September 11th, 2017 @ 7:36am CDT
Yes.
Re: What we Discovered About Transformers Power of the Primes: Enigma of Combination, Starscream Combiner Mode, Optimus Primal and More! (1910081)
Posted by Kurona on September 11th, 2017 @ 7:37am CDT
As with all Prime Masters, yes
Prima and Megatronus, despite how it looks. And unfortunately, as discussed a few pages back; these are not looks at upcoming products -- they were concepts that were scrapped.
Posted by Kurona on September 11th, 2017 @ 7:37am CDT
Rainmaker wrote:Does the matrix use the headmaster ports from TR? Does that mean we can give a TR figure a matrix head?
As with all Prime Masters, yes
Albatross250 wrote:
I-Is that Thunderwing... and Megatronus?!
Prima and Megatronus, despite how it looks. And unfortunately, as discussed a few pages back; these are not looks at upcoming products -- they were concepts that were scrapped.
Re: What we Discovered About Transformers Power of the Primes: Enigma of Combination, Starscream Combiner Mode, Optimus Primal and More! (1910083)
Posted by RAR on September 11th, 2017 @ 7:38am CDT
Posted by RAR on September 11th, 2017 @ 7:38am CDT
Optimus & Rodimus' matrix cores look like they will be very much improved by swapping then over so they match the frames.
VERY disappointed in Optimus Primal looks like he will have an OK c Transmetal Gorilla Mode and an OK robot mode a slightly iffy jet mode and not ground mode at all - combine that with that they couldn't even get a Cybertron Gorrila mode out of the core robot i'm not terribly impressed.
I smell 3rd Upgrade kits galore cooking already for this line.
Most of them will work out OK after some 3rd party TLC is applied to them I expect.
I'd be pretty shocked if they actually release Megatronus and Prima's Leaders though. But not at all displeased if they decide to revisit the idea of offer them in some way.
VERY disappointed in Optimus Primal looks like he will have an OK c Transmetal Gorilla Mode and an OK robot mode a slightly iffy jet mode and not ground mode at all - combine that with that they couldn't even get a Cybertron Gorrila mode out of the core robot i'm not terribly impressed.
I smell 3rd Upgrade kits galore cooking already for this line.
Most of them will work out OK after some 3rd party TLC is applied to them I expect.
I'd be pretty shocked if they actually release Megatronus and Prima's Leaders though. But not at all displeased if they decide to revisit the idea of offer them in some way.
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Posted by bluecatcinema on September 11th, 2017 @ 7:42am CDT
Yeah, that would definitely work.
Posted by bluecatcinema on September 11th, 2017 @ 7:42am CDT
RobRobRobRobRob wrote:You know, I've been thinking about it, and you know what that Rippersnapper would be great retooled as? A deluxe Repugnus. Am I right?
Yeah, that would definitely work.
Re: What we Discovered About Transformers Power of the Primes: Enigma of Combination, Starscream Combiner Mode, Optimus Primal and More! (1910085)
Posted by Kurona on September 11th, 2017 @ 7:46am CDT
In that same vein, I wonder if Twinferno is going to be used for Sinnertwin...
Also, holy heck there are a ton of matrices of leadership in this line. Optimus, Rodimus, Primal, Predaking....
Posted by Kurona on September 11th, 2017 @ 7:46am CDT
bluecatcinema wrote:RobRobRobRobRob wrote:You know, I've been thinking about it, and you know what that Rippersnapper would be great retooled as? A deluxe Repugnus. Am I right?
Yeah, that would definitely work.
In that same vein, I wonder if Twinferno is going to be used for Sinnertwin...
Also, holy heck there are a ton of matrices of leadership in this line. Optimus, Rodimus, Primal, Predaking....
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Posted by ExciKaiser on September 11th, 2017 @ 8:20am CDT
The gimmick of this line seems to imply that a matrix core and the spark of one of the thirteen is basicalyl the same thing.
So - in POTP at least - it looks like up to 13 12 matrix can co-exist.
And while writing that, I realize I may have missed something. Who is the missing Prime ? We talk about the thirteen, but there's only 12 PM.
Posted by ExciKaiser on September 11th, 2017 @ 8:20am CDT
Kurona wrote:Also, holy heck there are a ton of matrices of leadership in this line. Optimus, Rodimus, Primal, Predaking....
The gimmick of this line seems to imply that a matrix core and the spark of one of the thirteen is basicalyl the same thing.
So - in POTP at least - it looks like up to 13 12 matrix can co-exist.
And while writing that, I realize I may have missed something. Who is the missing Prime ? We talk about the thirteen, but there's only 12 PM.
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Posted by Kurona on September 11th, 2017 @ 8:23am CDT
I'm guessing either Optimus or The Fallen.
Posted by Kurona on September 11th, 2017 @ 8:23am CDT
ExciKaiser wrote:Kurona wrote:Also, holy heck there are a ton of matrices of leadership in this line. Optimus, Rodimus, Primal, Predaking....
The gimmick of this line seems to imply that a matrix core and the spark of one of the thirteen is basicalyl the same thing.
So - in POTP at least - it looks like up to 13 12 matrix can co-exist.
And while writing that, I realize I may have missed something. Who is the missing Prime ? We talk about the thirteen, but there's only 12 PM.
I'm guessing either Optimus or The Fallen.
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Posted by Soundwave-Superior on September 11th, 2017 @ 8:29am CDT
That upset me at first too, but to be fair, the fake windshield and grill end up directly in front of the real ones. So it's just to make them look better, not because they couldn't actually get them to end up in the right place.
Posted by Soundwave-Superior on September 11th, 2017 @ 8:29am CDT
CobraKai wrote:At first glance, Optimus looked nice. Then I realized Orion Pax needs a trailer to look like a standard Optimus Prime figure (usually without a trailer). Then I realized his chest kibble is a cheat.... AGAIN!! Is it that hard to engineer Optimus to have real chest windows? At least Powermaster Prime got it.
That upset me at first too, but to be fair, the fake windshield and grill end up directly in front of the real ones. So it's just to make them look better, not because they couldn't actually get them to end up in the right place.
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Posted by ExciKaiser on September 11th, 2017 @ 8:31am CDT
Yes, sames as Prime's first edition Optimus. I don't like Faux-parts, but this ones are the kind I can accept.
We can even see the real ones by opening the chest, and we need to open the real ones to access the matrix, so it makes sense for me.
Posted by ExciKaiser on September 11th, 2017 @ 8:31am CDT
Soundwave-Superior wrote:
That upset me at first too, but to be fair, the fake windshield and grill end up directly in front of the real ones. So it's just to make them look better, not because they couldn't actually get them to end up in the right place.
Yes, sames as Prime's first edition Optimus. I don't like Faux-parts, but this ones are the kind I can accept.
We can even see the real ones by opening the chest, and we need to open the real ones to access the matrix, so it makes sense for me.
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Posted by Kurona on September 11th, 2017 @ 8:33am CDT
Posted by Kurona on September 11th, 2017 @ 8:33am CDT
Faux parts are only a negative to me when it's an aid to lazy transformation. I don't mind fake parts existing in lieu of getting the real part to a particular place when the figure has an otherwise good transformation.
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Posted by ThunderThruster on September 11th, 2017 @ 8:40am CDT
Star-ception!
Voyager 'screamer is warming to me, if only because he is a combiner torso, but I may just leave the mold until Elita-1 is released.
Posted by ThunderThruster on September 11th, 2017 @ 8:40am CDT
Emerje wrote:I'm looking forward to forming King Starscream with Headmaster Starscream in his chest and Ghost Starscream as an arm.
Star-ception!
Voyager 'screamer is warming to me, if only because he is a combiner torso, but I may just leave the mold until Elita-1 is released.
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Posted by mordhelm on September 11th, 2017 @ 8:40am CDT
Posted by mordhelm on September 11th, 2017 @ 8:40am CDT
So if Starscream is a spare torso, does that mean that Jazz, Dreadwind, and Blackwing might be spare limbs too?
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Posted by Dagon on September 11th, 2017 @ 8:43am CDT
Twinferno, like a reverse TR Chromedome/CW Dead End deal? Where the headmaster figure is re engineered into the combiner figure? Twinferno does have that large cockpit area right in the middle of the body that could be swapped out for a combiner peg....
Posted by Dagon on September 11th, 2017 @ 8:43am CDT
Kurona wrote:bluecatcinema wrote:RobRobRobRobRob wrote:You know, I've been thinking about it, and you know what that Rippersnapper would be great retooled as? A deluxe Repugnus. Am I right?
Yeah, that would definitely work.
In that same vein, I wonder if Twinferno is going to be used for Sinnertwin...
Also, holy heck there are a ton of matrices of leadership in this line. Optimus, Rodimus, Primal, Predaking....
Twinferno, like a reverse TR Chromedome/CW Dead End deal? Where the headmaster figure is re engineered into the combiner figure? Twinferno does have that large cockpit area right in the middle of the body that could be swapped out for a combiner peg....
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Posted by william-james88 on September 11th, 2017 @ 8:44am CDT
yeah, thats what I think.
Posted by william-james88 on September 11th, 2017 @ 8:44am CDT
mordhelm wrote:So if Starscream is a spare torso, does that mean that Jazz, Dreadwind, and Blackwing might be spare limbs too?
yeah, thats what I think.
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Posted by steals_your_goats on September 11th, 2017 @ 9:24am CDT
I highly doubt that the limbs are going to be extras. And even if they are "extras" there's still 4-8 deluxe's left in the line so at what point do the extras stay extras and not become part of a team?
Posted by steals_your_goats on September 11th, 2017 @ 9:24am CDT
william-james88 wrote:mordhelm wrote:So if Starscream is a spare torso, does that mean that Jazz, Dreadwind, and Blackwing might be spare limbs too?
yeah, thats what I think.
I highly doubt that the limbs are going to be extras. And even if they are "extras" there's still 4-8 deluxe's left in the line so at what point do the extras stay extras and not become part of a team?
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Posted by RodimusRex on September 11th, 2017 @ 9:26am CDT
We can also stick a Rodimus Prime or Hot Rod head inside Rodimus Prime for Rodimusception.
Posted by RodimusRex on September 11th, 2017 @ 9:26am CDT
Rainmaker wrote:Does the matrix use the headmaster ports from TR? Does that mean we can give a TR figure a matrix head?
We can also stick a Rodimus Prime or Hot Rod head inside Rodimus Prime for Rodimusception.
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Posted by Dagon on September 11th, 2017 @ 9:30am CDT
If "extras" means combiner limbs that don't belong to a dedicated team like the Terrorcons, then we've already seen this 'extras' plan in action with all the combiner Autobots in Combiner Wars. Mirage isn't part of a combiner team, they just made one up for him to join. In this sense, Mirage is an extra. The same for Jazz and everyone in PotP.
Posted by Dagon on September 11th, 2017 @ 9:30am CDT
steals_your_goats wrote:william-james88 wrote:mordhelm wrote:So if Starscream is a spare torso, does that mean that Jazz, Dreadwind, and Blackwing might be spare limbs too?
yeah, thats what I think.
I highly doubt that the limbs are going to be extras. And even if they are "extras" there's still 4-8 deluxe's left in the line so at what point do the extras stay extras and not become part of a team?
If "extras" means combiner limbs that don't belong to a dedicated team like the Terrorcons, then we've already seen this 'extras' plan in action with all the combiner Autobots in Combiner Wars. Mirage isn't part of a combiner team, they just made one up for him to join. In this sense, Mirage is an extra. The same for Jazz and everyone in PotP.
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Posted by galvatron00 on September 11th, 2017 @ 9:31am CDT
Posted by galvatron00 on September 11th, 2017 @ 9:31am CDT
I don't think I've been disappointed by any of the reveals. Now I just need to figure out what stuff is being replaced.
I mean, holy cats, Hot Rod and Rodimus look great!! And Optimus Primal to hoverboard to Optimal Optimus is awesome!! I owned Transmetal Optimus Primal and Megatron back in the old times before returning them and getting Transmetal 2 Optimal Optimus, so that hoverboard mode is awesome to me!
I can't believe I'll have all 5 legitimate G1-esque Dinobots finally. And then a 6th for good measure!
I'm also pretty excited to see how Optimus will look next to CW leader Megatron. That'll be nice!
I mean, holy cats, Hot Rod and Rodimus look great!! And Optimus Primal to hoverboard to Optimal Optimus is awesome!! I owned Transmetal Optimus Primal and Megatron back in the old times before returning them and getting Transmetal 2 Optimal Optimus, so that hoverboard mode is awesome to me!
I can't believe I'll have all 5 legitimate G1-esque Dinobots finally. And then a 6th for good measure!
I'm also pretty excited to see how Optimus will look next to CW leader Megatron. That'll be nice!
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Posted by o.supreme on September 11th, 2017 @ 9:37am CDT
Conclusion:
Will Hopefully make a new Combiner for Starscream. 
Posted by o.supreme on September 11th, 2017 @ 9:37am CDT
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Ok, let's look at King Starscream here:
Observation: Dreadwind is an arm... and he uses Rippersnapper as a leg.
Hypothesis: He's a spare torso like regular CW Optimus Prime, Cyclonus, and non-box set Scattershot.
Conclusion:
Will Hopefully make a new Combiner for Starscream.
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Posted by steals_your_goats on September 11th, 2017 @ 9:41am CDT
I can see 2 things coming from Takara with starscream. He's either going to get his own team like cyclonus or ehobby is going to turn him into ghost starscream like they did with Grand scourge
Posted by steals_your_goats on September 11th, 2017 @ 9:41am CDT
o.supreme wrote:JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Ok, let's look at King Starscream here:
Observation: Dreadwind is an arm... and he uses Rippersnapper as a leg.
Hypothesis: He's a spare torso like regular CW Optimus Prime, Cyclonus, and non-box set Scattershot.
Conclusion:
I can see 2 things coming from Takara with starscream. He's either going to get his own team like cyclonus or ehobby is going to turn him into ghost starscream like they did with Grand scourge
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Posted by william-james88 on September 11th, 2017 @ 9:43am CDT
Thats up to anyone really. In combiner wars, if you bought all the may mayhen stuff you ended up with Rook, Alpha Bravo and Offroad as extras. And even then Combiner Wars was far more structured. Here, unlike combiner wars, we arent geting unified waves with Wave 4 of deluxes only has 1 new toys and repacks. That is a dead giveaway that things arent the same here.
Ah fuck, now it means I have to wait again to see what takara tomy has up their sleeves instead of just buying the hasbro product right away.
Posted by william-james88 on September 11th, 2017 @ 9:43am CDT
steals_your_goats wrote:william-james88 wrote:mordhelm wrote:So if Starscream is a spare torso, does that mean that Jazz, Dreadwind, and Blackwing might be spare limbs too?
yeah, thats what I think.
I highly doubt that the limbs are going to be extras. And even if they are "extras" there's still 4-8 deluxe's left in the line so at what point do the extras stay extras and not become part of a team?
Thats up to anyone really. In combiner wars, if you bought all the may mayhen stuff you ended up with Rook, Alpha Bravo and Offroad as extras. And even then Combiner Wars was far more structured. Here, unlike combiner wars, we arent geting unified waves with Wave 4 of deluxes only has 1 new toys and repacks. That is a dead giveaway that things arent the same here.
o.supreme wrote:Conclusion:
Ah fuck, now it means I have to wait again to see what takara tomy has up their sleeves instead of just buying the hasbro product right away.
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Posted by o.supreme on September 11th, 2017 @ 9:45am CDT
Posted by o.supreme on September 11th, 2017 @ 9:45am CDT
My son though it was amusing, after this comes out, if you take Ghost Strarscream & SG Starscream, you could have a Combiner that's 60% SS 
. Just a couple more Random Limbs, of Course SS would be the one bot who would make a combiner out of himself .
. Just a couple more Random Limbs, of Course SS would be the one bot who would make a combiner out of himself .
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Posted by o.supreme on September 11th, 2017 @ 9:48am CDT
That was my plan all along, no worries though, if these hit store shelves by end of year, (probably wont hit my area until a month or so later...) should reveal something by then hopefully, so for a completist like myself, I will know which limbs are unique to Hasbro by then so those will be the only ones I need to purchase at that time
Posted by o.supreme on September 11th, 2017 @ 9:48am CDT
william-james88 wrote:
Ah ****, now it means I have to wait again to see what takara tomy has up their sleeves instead of just buying the hasbro product right away.
That was my plan all along, no worries though, if these hit store shelves by end of year, (probably wont hit my area until a month or so later...)
should reveal something by then hopefully, so for a completist like myself, I will know which limbs are unique to Hasbro by then so those will be the only ones I need to purchase at that time
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Posted by RodimusRex on September 11th, 2017 @ 10:01am CDT
Do we know if CW limbs are compatible?
I could see that Ghost Starscream tooling being issued as Thundercracker, Skywarp, Sunstorm, and perhaps Slipstream?
Posted by RodimusRex on September 11th, 2017 @ 10:01am CDT
o.supreme wrote:JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Ok, let's look at King Starscream here:
Observation: Dreadwind is an arm... and he uses Rippersnapper as a leg.
Hypothesis: He's a spare torso like regular CW Optimus Prime, Cyclonus, and non-box set Scattershot.
Conclusion:
Do we know if CW limbs are compatible?
I could see that Ghost Starscream tooling being issued as Thundercracker, Skywarp, Sunstorm, and perhaps Slipstream?
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Posted by Zaries on September 11th, 2017 @ 10:02am CDT
Posted by Zaries on September 11th, 2017 @ 10:02am CDT
hello I'm new, but anyway,
Did anyone else noticed how starscreams combined mode boxart, shows his forearms as the thighs of the combined mode (or looks like it), and how on his shoulder area you can see the thrusters of the jet mode from his feet, so it would appear that this new starscream combines rather like cw silverbolt, don't know if that's already been pointed out, but just an observation.
I'm just hoping for other seekers to be repainted for that mold, like how we got the leader class seekers in cw (starscream, skywarp and thundercracker) love me a seeker.
Did anyone else noticed how starscreams combined mode boxart, shows his forearms as the thighs of the combined mode (or looks like it), and how on his shoulder area you can see the thrusters of the jet mode from his feet, so it would appear that this new starscream combines rather like cw silverbolt, don't know if that's already been pointed out, but just an observation.
I'm just hoping for other seekers to be repainted for that mold, like how we got the leader class seekers in cw (starscream, skywarp and thundercracker) love me a seeker.
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Posted by kurthy on September 11th, 2017 @ 10:03am CDT
I find myself doing this way too often the last two years. Will it be a Hasbro exclusive or significantly different? I've guessed right on topspin and krok so far. PMOP was significantly different so I don't feel bad about that. But the early part of TR and CW, it didn't matter a whole lot which one you chose.
Posted by kurthy on September 11th, 2017 @ 10:03am CDT
william-james88 wrote:o.supreme wrote:Conclusion:
Ah ****, now it means I have to wait again to see what takara tomy has up their sleeves instead of just buying the hasbro product right away.
I find myself doing this way too often the last two years. Will it be a Hasbro exclusive or significantly different? I've guessed right on topspin and krok so far. PMOP was significantly different so I don't feel bad about that. But the early part of TR and CW, it didn't matter a whole lot which one you chose.
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Posted by william-james88 on September 11th, 2017 @ 10:10am CDT
There was a 6 month gap between Cyclonus being found at retail and TT revealing Grand Galvatron.
Posted by william-james88 on September 11th, 2017 @ 10:10am CDT
o.supreme wrote:william-james88 wrote:
Ah ****, now it means I have to wait again to see what takara tomy has up their sleeves instead of just buying the hasbro product right away.
That was my plan all along, no worries though, if these hit store shelves by end of year, (probably wont hit my area until a month or so later...)
There was a 6 month gap between Cyclonus being found at retail and TT revealing Grand Galvatron.
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Posted by o.supreme on September 11th, 2017 @ 10:31am CDT
True, but Cyclonus was never hard to find, at least in my area, he was a shelf warmer. Come to think of it, IIRC in my area ROSS had many of the CW Voyagers at clearance prices around holiday 2015. In retrospect, I think the only Voyagers that are considered *valuable* on the secondary market are Optimus Prime, Hotspot, and of course Sky Lynx. In fact I think we had this discussion before, the deluxe limbs seem to demand much higher prices than the Voyagers on the secondary market simply because Hasbro way overproduced. Hoepfully with PotP they will have learned. I know there is a delicate balance between anticipating who wants the Voyagers as stand alone characters, and who wants them to complete their combiners, but I think It's safe to say Hasbro can produce less this time around.
I'll admit I almost purchased a CW Cyclonus, except the lack of Dedicated extra deluxes at the time made me hold off. But for anyone who did get CW Cyclonus they should not feel bad. Sure its an extra Torso, but its a great figure in its own right. I love my UW, Grand Galvatron, but for just a Cyclonus figure, The Hasbro version serves quite well.
Posted by o.supreme on September 11th, 2017 @ 10:31am CDT
william-james88 wrote: There was a 6 month gap between Cyclonus being found at retail and TT revealing Grand Galvatron.
True, but Cyclonus was never hard to find, at least in my area, he was a shelf warmer. Come to think of it, IIRC in my area ROSS had many of the CW Voyagers at clearance prices around holiday 2015. In retrospect, I think the only Voyagers that are considered *valuable* on the secondary market are Optimus Prime, Hotspot, and of course Sky Lynx. In fact I think we had this discussion before, the deluxe limbs seem to demand much higher prices than the Voyagers on the secondary market simply because Hasbro way overproduced. Hoepfully with PotP they will have learned. I know there is a delicate balance between anticipating who wants the Voyagers as stand alone characters, and who wants them to complete their combiners, but I think It's safe to say Hasbro can produce less this time around.
I'll admit I almost purchased a CW Cyclonus, except the lack of Dedicated extra deluxes at the time made me hold off. But for anyone who did get CW Cyclonus they should not feel bad. Sure its an extra Torso, but its a great figure in its own right. I love my UW, Grand Galvatron, but for just a Cyclonus figure, The Hasbro version serves quite well.
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Posted by ExciKaiser on September 11th, 2017 @ 10:41am CDT
I absolutely don't see what you mean.
Mirage is part of the same team as BattleCore Optimus, Sunstreaker, Prowl and Ironhide .
Yes it's not a G1-themed-named team, but it's an official team, which forms Optimus Maximus, Hasbro communicated on it and such.
Contrary to Dreadwing and starscream, who - FOR THE MOMENT - do not seems to belong to a dedicated team, to hte point that Starscream box art shows him with an abominus limb.
Posted by ExciKaiser on September 11th, 2017 @ 10:41am CDT
Dagon wrote:If "extras" means combiner limbs that don't belong to a dedicated team like the Terrorcons, then we've already seen this 'extras' plan in action with all the combiner Autobots in Combiner Wars. Mirage isn't part of a combiner team, they just made one up for him to join. In this sense, Mirage is an extra.
I absolutely don't see what you mean.
Mirage is part of the same team as BattleCore Optimus, Sunstreaker, Prowl and Ironhide .
Yes it's not a G1-themed-named team, but it's an official team, which forms Optimus Maximus, Hasbro communicated on it and such.
Contrary to Dreadwing and starscream, who - FOR THE MOMENT - do not seems to belong to a dedicated team, to hte point that Starscream box art shows him with an abominus limb.
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Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on September 11th, 2017 @ 10:48am CDT
Prepare for long ass quoting and talking mi amigo
You are terrible
Agreed, the prototype looks better there. Oh and Grimlock's dino mouth can open in combined mode 
My main gripe as well. To be elaborated on later...
You and me both!
I love that part of him too!
Yes yes yes yes yes
Because they are finally doing the pretender shell concept again and doing it apparently very well. I am super stoked for that class!!
I'm actually really disappointed I read 5 or 6 pages before I saw this. I have been waiting for you to punify Scream as a torso for forever
For. The. Win.
Now I need them to do a Waverider shell so I can have the G1 and PotP shells next to each other like Skullgrin!
And now I suddenly wish they would do something similar with Gunrunner and Roadgrabber. those 2 could have some awesome modern toys!
And now for my actual thoughts on the reveals:
Decoy suits: Could not be happier at all. I will buy every single one. No questions.
Legends: Slash is great and will go good with Beachcomber. So far, I am pleased. And as Cobotron said: DINORIDERS!!!
Deluxe: the dinobots look great. I am stoked for those 4. All the deluxes in fact look pretty sweet. No complaints at all with them.
Voyager: Starscream still gets on me a bit since he sacrificed some potential transformation stuff to become a torso and at this point nothing indicates the other 2 84 jets finally getting the voyager treatment either. Hun-Gurr sort of disappoints me some. He looks incredibly basic, and while it's not like he had to transform much to begin with, he feels a bit dull in bot to beast mode. I will get him for Abominus, but I feel a bit bored by him.
Leaders: I think Optimus is my favorite so far. His Prime robot mode is absolutely great, Orion looks awesome, and the alt mode is good too. He will be my PotP version of Optimus and most likely my definitive G1 Prime.
Rodimus still looks great, but I think Optimus beats him. Still a buy.
Primal... I am so torn with this figure at the moment. More judgement shall not be passed until we see him in hand and painted, but he was not what I was expecting at all. Optimal mode looks pretty good, and I love that they are including the hoverboard thing. But the deluxe... why wouldn't they have made a beast mode? His beast mode is basically a head flip, waist rotation, and some flaps to expose robot mode parts. They could have done the gorilla mode somehow and made him turn into a box. That is a disappointment. But I voted for him, and he still looks cool in the mode I would primarily display him in, so I am still in. Just not impressed with how they went about with him at this point
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on September 11th, 2017 @ 10:48am CDT
william-james88 wrote:D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Everything is awesome and as I would have hoped (mostly).
What would have made you completely satisfied?
Prepare for long ass quoting and talking mi amigo
Rodimus Prime wrote:And research suggests that raptors had feathers not scales.So yes, they were out of scale.
You are terrible
steals_your_goats, on Volcanicus, wrote:The in hand images of the combined mode look a lot nicer than the slide show image. Can not wait to have this guy.
Agreed, the prototype looks better there. Oh and Grimlock's dino mouth can open in combined mode
Rated X wrote:>:oP Well it looks like we wont be getting an Primal that actually turns into a gorilla.
My main gripe as well. To be elaborated on later...
shocksound96 wrote:Still hope we get a Star Saber
You and me both!
Windsweeper wrote:Rippersnapper looks great with his Wolverine claws. I just hope you can open his creature mouth.
I love that part of him too!
RobRobRobRobRob wrote:You know, I've been thinking about it, and you know what that Rippersnapper would be great retooled as? A deluxe Repugnus. Am I right?
Yes yes yes yes yes
Kurona wrote:First the gun mode, now this. Why did they all of a sudden decide to make Cloudburst awesome?
Because they are finally doing the pretender shell concept again and doing it apparently very well. I am super stoked for that class!!
Va'al wrote:So... he's an opportunist who will use anyone to get a leg up or stay an arm's length ahead?
I'm actually really disappointed I read 5 or 6 pages before I saw this. I have been waiting for you to punify Scream as a torso for forever
Burn wrote:Cloudburst was always awesome, you're just blinded because of your G1 ignorance.
For. The. Win.
Now I need them to do a Waverider shell so I can have the G1 and PotP shells next to each other like Skullgrin!
And now I suddenly wish they would do something similar with Gunrunner and Roadgrabber. those 2 could have some awesome modern toys!
And now for my actual thoughts on the reveals:
Decoy suits: Could not be happier at all. I will buy every single one. No questions.
Legends: Slash is great and will go good with Beachcomber. So far, I am pleased. And as Cobotron said: DINORIDERS!!!
Deluxe: the dinobots look great. I am stoked for those 4. All the deluxes in fact look pretty sweet. No complaints at all with them.
Voyager: Starscream still gets on me a bit since he sacrificed some potential transformation stuff to become a torso and at this point nothing indicates the other 2 84 jets finally getting the voyager treatment either. Hun-Gurr sort of disappoints me some. He looks incredibly basic, and while it's not like he had to transform much to begin with, he feels a bit dull in bot to beast mode. I will get him for Abominus, but I feel a bit bored by him.
Leaders: I think Optimus is my favorite so far. His Prime robot mode is absolutely great, Orion looks awesome, and the alt mode is good too. He will be my PotP version of Optimus and most likely my definitive G1 Prime.
Rodimus still looks great, but I think Optimus beats him. Still a buy.
Primal... I am so torn with this figure at the moment. More judgement shall not be passed until we see him in hand and painted, but he was not what I was expecting at all. Optimal mode looks pretty good, and I love that they are including the hoverboard thing. But the deluxe... why wouldn't they have made a beast mode? His beast mode is basically a head flip, waist rotation, and some flaps to expose robot mode parts. They could have done the gorilla mode somehow and made him turn into a box. That is a disappointment. But I voted for him, and he still looks cool in the mode I would primarily display him in, so I am still in. Just not impressed with how they went about with him at this point
Re: What we Discovered About Transformers Power of the Primes: Enigma of Combination, Starscream Combiner Mode, Optimus Primal and More! (1910163)
Posted by Evil Eye on September 11th, 2017 @ 10:52am CDT
Posted by Evil Eye on September 11th, 2017 @ 10:52am CDT
Myself I still want to see more "proper" Pretender updates, like ROTF Bludgeon- that is, "regular" TFs with the shells incorporated into their robot modes. These little Prime Masters are interesting, but I really don't want this to be their "definitive" updates.
Re: What we Discovered About Transformers Power of the Primes: Enigma of Combination, Starscream Combiner Mode, Optimus Primal and More! (1910165)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on September 11th, 2017 @ 10:54am CDT
Oh, Neither do I! But I love that they are doing the shells like this in a modern update. It's really cool!
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on September 11th, 2017 @ 10:54am CDT
Black Hat wrote:Myself I still want to see more "proper" Pretender updates, like ROTF Bludgeon- that is, "regular" TFs with the shells incorporated into their robot modes. These little Prime Masters are interesting, but I really don't want this to be their "definitive" updates.
Oh, Neither do I! But I love that they are doing the shells like this in a modern update. It's really cool!
Re: What we Discovered About Transformers Power of the Primes: Enigma of Combination, Starscream Combiner Mode, Optimus Primal and More! (1910172)
Posted by william-james88 on September 11th, 2017 @ 11:12am CDT
Posted by william-james88 on September 11th, 2017 @ 11:12am CDT
Swoop confirmed to have blue chest at release:
Source: http://www.adventuresinpoortaste.com/20 ... n-montana/
AiPT!: The Japanese Masterpiece line tends to model figures after their cartoon appearance. With the Generations line, do you try to make them resemble the cartoon or their original toys?
Warden: Well, for Titans Return, we largely focused on the toy version, but for Power of the Primes, the last chapter of the Prime Wars Trilogy, we’re kind of focusing on what works for the toy. So in the case of the Dinobots, we’re focusing on the Generation 1 cartoon series. So you’ll see Swoop has his blue chestplate–that’s based more on the cartoon. It’s a case-by-case basis and a lot of it comes from coming to events like this and talking to fans or reading online and seeing what they think.
Source: http://www.adventuresinpoortaste.com/20 ... n-montana/
