Wave 1 Deluxe Toys of Transformers Legacy Found at Target

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Emerje wrote:I don't really see why Deathsaurus would need to be Commander class, he doesn't need to be that complex. Hasbro said Star Saber was Leader size so a large leader like Grimlock should be enough plus his partners can be sold as Core figures like SS Ravage.

Emerje

That's the keyword here. "size".
We all know that nowadays, it means nothing.

william-james88 wrote:We have news that Transformers Legacy deluxe wave 1 has been found at US retail. It consists of Kickback, TF Prime Arcee, Dragstrip and Skids. TF fans mute and Yertle found this wave at Targets in Virginia and North Carolina.

If you have found them, share your sightings with our community in the sightings section and on our boards in your region related thread.

DeathReviews wrote:

william-james88 wrote:We have news that Transformers Legacy deluxe wave 1 has been found at US retail. It consists of Kickback, TF Prime Arcee, Dragstrip and Skids. TF fans mute and Yertle found this wave at Targets in Virginia and North Carolina.

If you have found them, share your sightings with our community in the sightings section and on our boards in your region related thread.

None sighted near my realm as of yet. But, it's nice to know Dragstrip at least is among the general release. Hasbro Pulse lists them as an 'exclusive', but they were sold out within an hour of being announced, and have remained that way ever since. Finding them on store shelves is pretty much our only option...

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Assuming Menasor is worth completing.

Autobot N wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Assuming Menasor is worth completing.

Anything is an improvement over CW Menasor.

Sabrblade wrote:

Autobot N wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Assuming Menasor is worth completing.

Anything is an improvement over CW Menasor.

Even if it were to turn out like FOC Bruticus?

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Assuming Menasor is worth completing.

Sabrblade wrote:He kinda looks vaguely like an H-tank from that angle.

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:He kinda looks vaguely like an H-tank from that angle.

But he isn't. And that is indeed the nose cone at the front, making him look like the G1 sunbow model (though I think it's more of a necessity than a needed homage)

Albatross250 wrote:His tank mode looks familiar

He better have his Animated faces, and that would be instant buy!

Albatross250 wrote:His tank mode looks familiar

He better have his Animated faces, and that would be instant buy!

Emerje wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Emerje wrote:Isn't saying the arms are fixed in place because you have to move little panels out of the way to move them the same as saying a lot of figures have fixed legs because you have to move a skirt panel and still can't quite get them to sit? Seems like a weird complaint. Sure he can't pick his arms up over his head, but they aren't fixed.

Emerje

It's the shoulders, not the arms. It's that the shoulders have been changed from being working shoulders part of the arms into armor kibble now separate from the arms, no longer a part of them, which alters the character's iconic silhouette and restricts arm movement now that big shoulder pads are in way of letting his arms raise up, instead of those shoulder pads being the shoulders themselves.

But that's just it, it's shoulder armor, not his actual shoulders. He has articulation at the shoulder, it's just a little restricted by the armor. The shoulder armor is fixed, his shoulders aren't, they're restricted to probably 180 degrees which is fine. Doesn't really bother me much, my Transformers don't spend a lot of time trying to ask the teacher a question or flying like Superman.

Emerje

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Emerje wrote:I don't really see why Deathsaurus would need to be Commander class, he doesn't need to be that complex. Hasbro said Star Saber was Leader size so a large leader like Grimlock should be enough plus his partners can be sold as Core figures like SS Ravage.

Emerje

That's the keyword here. "size".
We all know that nowadays, it means nothing.

Autobot N wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Assuming Menasor is worth completing.

Anything is an improvement over CW Menasor.

chuckdawg1999 wrote:For our first look at Legacy, the new Generations sub-theme, we have one new mold, a repaint, and a repack from the previous line that was meant as a back-door preview to Legacy. All in all, not an impressive start. On a positive note, Iguanus is a really good figure and more people should be able to find Hot Rod now, I hope. Skywarp is fine, but I'm disappointed by the lack of arm blasters that are a Seeker standard. The combined sword is a thing, but I don't see many people using it. Overall, having seen the rest of Wave 01, I feel that Legacy can only go up from here.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Menasor is maybe the one (bad) exception where a commander torso with skeleton limbs would (badly) work, the other combiners really don't need that honestly.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

Autobot N wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Assuming Menasor is worth completing.

Anything is an improvement over CW Menasor.

No it isn't.
Getting a toy based on the animation's frequent misinterpretation of Menasor's design, where rather than actually being combined... the smaller Stunticons are stuck in inflated Motormaster limbs as if they were Mini-Cons... That would be equally crap, just in a different way.
And given Drag Strip splits in half, I fear that's where we're heading.

That or it's some awkward new system where you have to split the figures in half and partsform in the combiner joint. And of course they've mucked things up by getting rid of the perfectly good CW connection system..

Autobot N wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

Autobot N wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Assuming Menasor is worth completing.

Anything is an improvement over CW Menasor.

No it isn't.
Getting a toy based on the animation's frequent misinterpretation of Menasor's design, where rather than actually being combined... the smaller Stunticons are stuck in inflated Motormaster limbs as if they were Mini-Cons... That would be equally crap, just in a different way.
And given Drag Strip splits in half, I fear that's where we're heading.

That or it's some awkward new system where you have to split the figures in half and partsform in the combiner joint. And of course they've mucked things up by getting rid of the perfectly good CW connection system..

Do you own CW Menasor? That thing is awful

Emerje wrote:And really, it's silly that people are so hooked up on the arms when the legs are basically the same between both animation models so it's just the arms that are in question.

Emerje wrote:Also since there's a break in Dragstrip where the elbow joint will be we can tell he'll be forming the bulk of the arm, why are we so hooked up on combiner pegs and fists directly inserting into the car?

At least we know for a fact he won't look like this:

-botched depiction of Floro Dery character model snip-

Or this:

-botched depiction of Studio Ox character model snip-

chuckdawg1999 wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Emerje wrote:I don't really see why Deathsaurus would need to be Commander class, he doesn't need to be that complex. Hasbro said Star Saber was Leader size so a large leader like Grimlock should be enough plus his partners can be sold as Core figures like SS Ravage.

Emerje

That's the keyword here. "size".
We all know that nowadays, it means nothing.

Well to some people size still has some meaning.

Jtprime17 wrote:The case assortments have been updated since my last post in August. Example Galvatron is in wave 1 now. Also prime soundwave was a miscommunication between some retailers. Soundwave it’s actually S Soundwave PR so another package refresh.

Emerje wrote:Eh, as far as I'm concerned multiple figures coming together in any way makes a combiner, it doesn't matter how essential or ridiculous their inclusion is. We still call Magnaboss a 3 figure combiner despite Silverbolt being nothing more than decorations and boob canons.

And really, it's silly that people are so hooked up on the arms when the legs are basically the same between both animation models so it's just the arms that are in question. Also since there's a break in Dragstrip where the elbow joint will be we can tell he'll be forming the bulk of the arm, why are we so hooked up on combiner pegs and fists directly inserting into the car?

Because of the elbow joint. It'll look more like a normal combiner than whole cars hanging off his shoulders. I'm looking forward to it, I think the arms with a dedicated elbow joint will look a lot better in the end than the elbow hips and crotch we had in CW.

Emerje

SpaceEagle wrote:I'll be pretty damn bummed if Menasor ends up leaning more towards the "cars slapped onto Motormaster" look rather than being properly integrated

AcademyofDrX wrote:I mean, Legacy Menasor can't be much worse than CW Menasor, right? I still have the UW version but plan to offload it next year after I've collected the new one.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Emerje wrote:I don't really see why Deathsaurus would need to be Commander class, he doesn't need to be that complex. Hasbro said Star Saber was Leader size so a large leader like Grimlock should be enough plus his partners can be sold as Core figures like SS Ravage.

Emerje

That's the keyword here. "size".
We all know that nowadays, it means nothing.

Well to some people size still has some meaning.

No matter what "size" means for yourself, it won't translate to this reality. We will have to deal with scout sized but complex deluxes like SS '07 Jazz, "voyager +" leaders, and complex deluxes sold as voyagers from now on.

I'm honestly fine with it as long that scale is respected and the complexity and quality of the toy reflect the price-point.

SpaceEagle wrote:I personally didn't dislike the CW/UW versions of the Stunticons but even then I'd still much rather have a Motormaster that looks more like his G1 self than a retooled Optimus lol

chuckdawg1999 wrote:Having seen a review of Dragstrip that's the retail release version, I think there will be some tab on the arm segment of Menasor that triggers the catch on Dragstrip separating the halves. There's no way to press the release on Dragstrip without the use of a spudger or some similar tool.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I too look forward to Twincast... but not as much as I might.

I am however fully looking forward to Pointblank. And disappointed to not see Sureshot's name in the listings. Couldn't he have been made instead of whatever this "energon monster" rando is? Sureshot would seem a particularly strong choice in my eyes since he could probably have Joyride as a moldmate.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:As I've mentioned elsewhere, Menasor really needs a complete design overhaul. Objectively the worst looking Decepticon Gestalt (Computron, I'd say is his Autobot "fugly" counterpart).

Meanwhile, any more news on Cybertron Metroplex?