Wal*Mart Listings Tease New Generations Deluxes: Rattrap, Crosscut, Nightbeat, and Tankor?

Wolfman Jake wrote:Tankor may very well be the Beast Machines character, but isn't it odd to release Beast Wars Rhinox along with his future self at the same time in completely different size classes? Is a rhino bigger than a cybertronian tank?

Here's a weird idea. Maybe this new Tankor is IDW Grindcore? Think about it. We've already got tons of IDW inspired figures coming out, and Grindcore is another "new" character created for the IDW Generation 1 comics. Also, Grindcore has a tank alt-mode, and he's apparently repurposed from the Takara Transformers United EX line "Tankmaster" (or visa versa?). Why not call him Grindcore, then? Maybe trademark reasons, although, Gridcore was a name for a movie line Autobot (redeco of Cybertron Landmine). Maybe the name is unobtainable now, or Hasbro doesn't want confusion with his faction due to earlier use of the name Gridcore for the Autobots? Why use Tankor? Seems to be a goto name for Hasbro these past several years when nothing else will work. It could also be an attempt to bridge the character with Tankmaster from United EX.

Mindmaster wrote: But then I remembered something: in the IDW comics, Galvatron, Cyclonus, and Scourge are separate characters from Megatron, Skywarp, and Thundercracker, respectively, as opposed to the traditional "Unicron upgraded these guys". So it's quite possible that in the IDW continuity, Rhinox and Tankor, like the aforementioned Decepticons, are separate characters.

Bumblevivisector wrote:

Mindmaster wrote: But then I remembered something: in the IDW comics, Galvatron, Cyclonus, and Scourge are separate characters from Megatron, Skywarp, and Thundercracker, respectively, as opposed to the traditional "Unicron upgraded these guys". So it's quite possible that in the IDW continuity, Rhinox and Tankor, like the aforementioned Decepticons, are separate characters.

If true, then the only way this year could get any better for Beast Wars news is if someone came up with a treatment to permanently counteract the Transmetal chrome flaking problem!

Of course, a deluxe Rattrap sounds like he might be a tad too big. Maybe we'll see a new spin on the ol' package-someone-with-a-downed-traffic-light trick? Some actual garbage to munch? His collection of Waspinator parts?

Prime Evil wrote:I would love a nightbeat done like this:

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/radicons- ... tbeat.html

Mindmaster wrote:

Bumblevivisector wrote:

Mindmaster wrote: But then I remembered something: in the IDW comics, Galvatron, Cyclonus, and Scourge are separate characters from Megatron, Skywarp, and Thundercracker, respectively, as opposed to the traditional "Unicron upgraded these guys". So it's quite possible that in the IDW continuity, Rhinox and Tankor, like the aforementioned Decepticons, are separate characters.

If true, then the only way this year could get any better for Beast Wars news is if someone came up with a treatment to permanently counteract the Transmetal chrome flaking problem!

Of course, a deluxe Rattrap sounds like he might be a tad too big. Maybe we'll see a new spin on the ol' package-someone-with-a-downed-traffic-light trick? Some actual garbage to munch? His collection of Waspinator parts?

How about the laser pistol that was used in the cartoon? Or maybe one of his explosives that he also used often in the cartoon?

Mindmaster wrote:

Prime Evil wrote:I would love a nightbeat done like this:

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/radicons- ... tbeat.html

Is it coincidence that I was just looking at that gallery not even a minute ago?

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:If those listings are true, then we pretty much have the whole line-up for the coming year, give or take. We now have 17 Deluxes, which is a good size for the year (Prime had 14 and 16 Deluxes, FoC Generations had 18).

Wolfman Jake wrote:Tankor may very well be the Beast Machines character, but isn't it odd to release Beast Wars Rhinox along with his future self at the same time in completely different size classes? Is a rhino bigger than a cybertronian tank?

Here's a weird idea. Maybe this new Tankor is IDW Grindcore? Think about it. We've already got tons of IDW inspired figures coming out, and Grindcore is another "new" character created for the IDW Generation 1 comics. Also, Grindcore has a tank alt-mode, and he's apparently repurposed from the Takara Transformers United EX line "Tankmaster" (or visa versa?). Why not call him Grindcore, then? Maybe trademark reasons, although, Gridcore was a name for a movie line Autobot (redeco of Cybertron Landmine). Maybe the name is unobtainable now, or Hasbro doesn't want confusion with his faction due to earlier use of the name Gridcore for the Autobots? Why use Tankor? Seems to be a goto name for Hasbro these past several years when nothing else will work. It could also be an attempt to bridge the character with Tankmaster from United EX.

Dead Metal wrote:There's is one problem, Grimdcore is like super dead right now, as in he died shortly after his debut in 2008.

Mindmaster wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:There's is one problem, Grimdcore is like super dead right now, as in he died shortly after his debut in 2008.

Eh, hasn't stopped Hasbro in the past.

Dead Metal wrote:

Mindmaster wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:There's is one problem, Grimdcore is like super dead right now, as in he died shortly after his debut in 2008.

Eh, hasn't stopped Hasbro in the past.

It would still be weird for them to make a toy based on a character that showed up for a few pannels in one comic, and hasn't shown up for 5 years due to being dead.

Wolfman Jake wrote:Although, we are getting Double Dealer very soon, who died in his very own spotlight issue.

Wolfman Jake wrote:How many toys did Prime Cliffjumper get AFTER he died 5 minutes into the series premiere?

Wolfman Jake wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:

Mindmaster wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:There's is one problem, Grimdcore is like super dead right now, as in he died shortly after his debut in 2008.

Eh, hasn't stopped Hasbro in the past.

It would still be weird for them to make a toy based on a character that showed up for a few pannels in one comic, and hasn't shown up for 5 years due to being dead.

Although, we are getting Double Dealer very soon, who died in his very own spotlight issue. Admittedly, he's not being produced with his IDW body, as he's a repaint of Generations Blitzwing. Still, being dead doesn't stop a toy from being made. How many toys did Prime Cliffjumper get AFTER he died 5 minutes into the series premiere?

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:And silly me, we have a full 18 Deluxes this year. I forgot about the Mini-Con 3-pack.

Dead Metal wrote:Grindcore was only in that one issue to get killed off, he wasn't even a minor character, that's like making a toy based off of the guy Megatron killed in that one flashback of the movie (07).

Wolfman Jake wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:Grindcore was only in that one issue to get killed off, he wasn't even a minor character, that's like making a toy based off of the guy Megatron killed in that one flashback of the movie (07).

Hasbro was probably close to making "that guy," lol. They were straining to extend the first movie line by the end, with unused concept characters, videogame drone fodder, new characters made up of various inanimate cars, planes, and objects seen in the movie, repaints of Armada, Cybertron, and Classics toys, AND "premium" repaints of the first wave of figures. "That guy" Megatron offlined probably had more reason to be in the toyline than most of the non-screen characters.

Wolfman Jake wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:Grindcore was only in that one issue to get killed off, he wasn't even a minor character, that's like making a toy based off of the guy Megatron killed in that one flashback of the movie (07).

Hasbro was probably close to making "that guy," lol. They were straining to extend the first movie line by the end, with unused concept characters, videogame drone fodder, new characters made up of various inanimate cars, planes, and objects seen in the movie, repaints of Armada, Cybertron, and Classics toys, AND "premium" repaints of the first wave of figures. "That guy" Megatron offlined probably had more reason to be in the toyline than most of the non-screen characters.

Prime Evil wrote:I would love a nightbeat done like this:

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/radicons- ... tbeat.html

Bumblevivisector wrote:His collection of Waspinator parts?

Mindmaster wrote:When I was proposing my theory, I also hit the same snag. But then I remembered something: in the IDW comics, Galvatron, Cyclonus, and Scourge are separate characters from Megatron, Bombshell, and Thundercracker, respectively, as opposed to the traditional "Unicron upgraded these guys". So it's quite possible that in the IDW continuity, Rhinox and Tankor, like the aforementioned Decepticons, are separate characters.

Manterax Prime wrote:Yeah, having them be seperate characters can cause a lot of confusion.

Mindmaster wrote:And technically, it was never said who became Cyclonus and who became "his Armada". So really, it's all just a matter of perspective.

Delicon wrote:Am I the only one who really hates the IDWverse totally reinventing characters such as Galvatron?

I'm all for a little tweaking but I don't like it when they completely change who they are - in this case, literally.

Delicon wrote:Am I the only one who really hates the IDWverse totally reinventing characters such as Galvatron?

I'm all for a little tweaking but I don't like it when they completely change who they are - in this case, literally.

Mindmaster wrote:

Delicon wrote:Am I the only one who really hates the IDWverse totally reinventing characters such as Galvatron?

I'm all for a little tweaking but I don't like it when they completely change who they are - in this case, literally.

Amusingly ironic, given the central theme of Transformers is "change".

It doesn't bother me much, really. Like I say all the time, "different continuities, different rules". Now, I understand uber, mega changes, say for instance, changing Optimus Prime from a truck to, say, a dopey little Model T. Then we can rant and rave about how much of a stupid idea that would be.

Mindmaster wrote:Now, I understand uber, mega changes, say for instance, changing Optimus Prime from a truck to, say, a dopey little Model T. Then we can rant and rave about how much of a stupid idea that would be.

Wolfman Jake wrote:Delicon, here's how I reason it out in my own meta continuity between IDW's G1 reboot and the original G1 cartoon/animated movie. Maybe it will help you feel better about IDW Galvatron. So, without further ado:

Consider that in both universes, the D-Void/The Darkness/Dead Universe and Unicron represent the same philosophical idea. Thanatos. Unlife. Death and destruction of the living. Unicron, in the cartoon, was created by some dude for some reason (see: "Call of the Primitives"). Maybe Unicron figures out how to tap into the Dead Universe as a power source? Maybe that's why he feeds so voraciously on planetary life. Instead of explanding the Darkness into the Universe, he's bringing the Universe to the Darkness? Or he's just mega hungry because he's an undead zombie from associating with the Dead Universe? The point is that, perhaps, Galvatron, Cyclonus, and Scourge were also ancient Cybertronians in the cartoon who were claimed by the Dead Universe. As Unicron uses Megatron and "the chasises of dead Decepticons" to form a strike force to seize the Matrix of Leadership from the Autobots, he remakes them in the image of Cybertronians he knows from his contact with the void. G1 Cartoon Megatron could be a faximile of the original Galvatron who may have been lost to the void under similar circumstances eons ago. The same goes for Cyclonus and Scourge. If you like, you can take that as an additional reason that G1 cartoon Galvatron is crazy. Merging two different minds might do that to a person (persons?). Also interesting how the Matrix is the bane of both Unicron and the D-Void, huh? Almost like they're the same thing as far as the multiverse is concerned

End of fan babbling.

Delicon wrote:Truthfully I hate all these stupid little universes, too. When you think about it, we really didn't have that until around R.I.D. came out, although some might argue Beast Machines contradicted too much established stuff to really fit in the G1 universe.

Sabrblade wrote:

Delicon wrote:Truthfully I hate all these stupid little universes, too. When you think about it, we really didn't have that until around R.I.D. came out, although some might argue Beast Machines contradicted too much established stuff to really fit in the G1 universe.

It was well before that. In the very beginning of the brand, when the Marvel comics and the Sunbow cartoon decided to ignore each other.

Delicon wrote:That was deep, dude. I still don't like IDW Galvy but you at least get a gold star from me for trying!

Delicon wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Delicon wrote:Truthfully I hate all these stupid little universes, too. When you think about it, we really didn't have that until around R.I.D. came out, although some might argue Beast Machines contradicted too much established stuff to really fit in the G1 universe.

It was well before that. In the very beginning of the brand, when the Marvel comics and the Sunbow cartoon decided to ignore each other.

They were at least close enough. All but a few characters were virtually identical (Shockwave, Ratbat) in terms of overall character traits.

Sabrblade wrote:

Mindmaster wrote:Now, I understand uber, mega changes, say for instance, changing Optimus Prime from a truck to, say, a dopey little Model T. Then we can rant and rave about how much of a stupid idea that would be.

Is that really a thing to get worked up over, though? I mean, over 30 years of toys ans fiction, we've had "Optimus" (Prime, Primal, Minor, etc.) turn into flat-fronted trucks, long-nosed trucks, a Lamborghini, a bat, gorillas, a monkey, pickup trucks, Cybertronian trucks, shoes, Nissan GT-Rs, a Cybertronian race car, jets, fire trucks, a comet, a blaster, and much more.

RAcast wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Mindmaster wrote:Now, I understand uber, mega changes, say for instance, changing Optimus Prime from a truck to, say, a dopey little Model T. Then we can rant and rave about how much of a stupid idea that would be.

Is that really a thing to get worked up over, though? I mean, over 30 years of toys ans fiction, we've had "Optimus" (Prime, Primal, Minor, etc.) turn into flat-fronted trucks, long-nosed trucks, a Lamborghini, a bat, gorillas, a monkey, pickup trucks, Cybertronian trucks, shoes, Nissan GT-Rs, a Cybertronian race car, jets, fire trucks, a comet, a blaster, and much more.

I recognize all the rest, (that's an impressively full list by the way!)but what version of Optimus is a jet?

RAcast wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Mindmaster wrote:Now, I understand uber, mega changes, say for instance, changing Optimus Prime from a truck to, say, a dopey little Model T. Then we can rant and rave about how much of a stupid idea that would be.

Is that really a thing to get worked up over, though? I mean, over 30 years of toys ans fiction, we've had "Optimus" (Prime, Primal, Minor, etc.) turn into flat-fronted trucks, long-nosed trucks, a Lamborghini, a bat, gorillas, a monkey, pickup trucks, Cybertronian trucks, shoes, Nissan GT-Rs, a Cybertronian race car, jets, fire trucks, a comet, a blaster, and much more.

I recognize all the rest, (that's an impressively full list by the way!)but what version of Optimus is a jet?