Vintage Beast Wars Transformers Figures Listed on Walmart

Seibertron wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Megatron and Rampage were my only GPS casualties. Each losing a leg. In contrast, Tarantulas and Waspinator haven't even lost a flake of chrome. One of the pegs on Primal's forearm also snapped at some point in storage. I don't really feel the need to buy any of these again though, to be fair.

By Rampage, do you mean his chrome flaking off? Rampage doesn't have GPS issues to my knowledge, just the paint flaking problem (which I fixed on mine by adding a layer of clear coat) and the rubber treads.

Seibertron wrote:Why does everyone think these are Transmetals?

Seibertron wrote:Why does everyone think these are Transmetals?

Spider5800 wrote:These HAVE to be the orignal ultras. $50 for the transmetal megas, which are just shiney voyagers, would be kind of outragous.

Nemesis Primal wrote:I haven't paid attention to anything surrounding the G1 reissues, so someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the very conspicuous presence of "GEN" in those listings mean that they're Generations figures/repaints? Or do the G1 reissues also have that? I know the Transmetal reissues were talked about by a leaker (even though I personally find that to be the least believable leak/claim so far), but other than that I don't see why we're all assuming these listings are specifically reissues and not just some sort of repaint line/subline like the 35th Anniversary Siege figures or the Netflix line.

william-james88 wrote:

Spider5800 wrote:These HAVE to be the orignal ultras. $50 for the transmetal megas, which are just shiney voyagers, would be kind of outragous.

You're right, 50$ for an old voyager sized toy is CRAZY, hasbro would never....

william-james88 wrote:

Spider5800 wrote:These HAVE to be the orignal ultras. $50 for the transmetal megas, which are just shiney voyagers, would be kind of outragous.

You're right, 50$ for an old voyager sized toy is CRAZY, hasbro would never....

Seibertron wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Spider5800 wrote:These HAVE to be the orignal ultras. $50 for the transmetal megas, which are just shiney voyagers, would be kind of outragous.

You're right, 50$ for an old voyager sized toy is CRAZY, hasbro would never....

Except wasn't it originally supposed to come with trailer, trailer was dropped but price never changed? Its an exception, not a rule.

o.supreme wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Spider5800 wrote:These HAVE to be the orignal ultras. $50 for the transmetal megas, which are just shiney voyagers, would be kind of outragous.

You're right, 50$ for an old voyager sized toy is CRAZY, hasbro would never....

Yes it was crazy and I explained why when that toy came out. Of course the fact that it didn't sell until it was clearanced for $25 at most stores might make Hasbro think twice, or make Walmart hesitant to deal with Hasbro. Also there was the Soundwave and Blaster reissues that were more reasonably priced.

william-james88 wrote:

Seibertron wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Spider5800 wrote:These HAVE to be the orignal ultras. $50 for the transmetal megas, which are just shiney voyagers, would be kind of outragous.

You're right, 50$ for an old voyager sized toy is CRAZY, hasbro would never....

Except wasn't it originally supposed to come with trailer, trailer was dropped but price never changed? Its an exception, not a rule.

I thought the trailer was dropped so that they could sell it at $50. I have never heard of it originally coming with a trailer.

And I never said it was a rule. I just said we can't rule anything out since there's a precedent for everything now.

Emerje wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Seibertron wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Spider5800 wrote:These HAVE to be the orignal ultras. $50 for the transmetal megas, which are just shiney voyagers, would be kind of outragous.

You're right, 50$ for an old voyager sized toy is CRAZY, hasbro would never....

Except wasn't it originally supposed to come with trailer, trailer was dropped but price never changed? Its an exception, not a rule.

I thought the trailer was dropped so that they could sell it at $50. I have never heard of it originally coming with a trailer.

And I never said it was a rule. I just said we can't rule anything out since there's a precedent for everything now.

This was my understanding as well, especially with the three big chunks of die cast metal on the figure. Imagine what the price would have been with the trailer. $70? $80?

Emerje

Zeedust wrote:Hopefully if it is the non-Transmetals, they'll give us a reissue of the basic Rattrap this time around;

Sabrblade wrote:

Zeedust wrote:Hopefully if it is the non-Transmetals, they'll give us a reissue of the basic Rattrap this time around;

The 1996 Rattrap mold is long gone, hence why they went with the Transmetal back during the 10th anniversary.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Zeedust wrote:Hopefully if it is the non-Transmetals, they'll give us a reissue of the basic Rattrap this time around;

The 1996 Rattrap mold is long gone, hence why they went with the Transmetal back during the 10th anniversary.

Doesn't Hasbro have the specs on paper? Couldn't they just rebuild the mold?

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Zeedust wrote:Hopefully if it is the non-Transmetals, they'll give us a reissue of the basic Rattrap this time around;

The 1996 Rattrap mold is long gone, hence why they went with the Transmetal back during the 10th anniversary.

Doesn't Hasbro have the specs on paper? Couldn't they just rebuild the mold?

Not without the Master, even then cutting (new) molds is really expensive. The problem is, we don't know the exact state of the tooling, whether it's just missing (which would make cutting new ones a bit redundant when they're found again) or downright broken or degraded beyond use.

And I thought Transmetal Rattrap being used for BW 10th instead of the original Basic was nothing more than logistics, really. Putting a Basic figure in a line set as "Deluxe only", yeah no.

Zeedust wrote:Hopefully if it is the non-Transmetals, they'll give us a reissue of the basic Rattrap this time around; it'd scale better with the Kingdom stuff than the tiny core class version.

ZeroWolf wrote:Wait four Rattrap figures? What the other one besides basic, T30 and Kingdom?

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I thought Drill Bit was considered the worst of the Basic figures?

Anyway, I think the torso of Basic Rattrap looks better than the Kingdom one does. The proportions of the Beast Mode head look weird on the new figure. Wherein it has been made too small. It isn't just supposed to be a small emblem on the centre of his chest.

I've always had a soft spot for Basic Ratface, regardless. I own two of them, after all. That said, the Generations one looks awful...

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I thought Drill Bit was considered the worst of the Basic figures?

Emerje wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I thought Drill Bit was considered the worst of the Basic figures?

I like Drill Bit. He's a bug with a drill face, what's not to like?

Emerje

Emerje wrote:

Zeedust wrote:Hopefully if it is the non-Transmetals, they'll give us a reissue of the basic Rattrap this time around; it'd scale better with the Kingdom stuff than the tiny core class version.

Personally I've never been a fan of the original Rattrap figure, I don't even own one because I didn't like it as a kid teen despite liking the character a lot. I've always felt it was the absolute worst of the Basic figures and a terrible rat likeness, especially that row of long fangs. Kingdom Rattrap isn't that much smaller than the original and has a far better looking rat mode and scales better with the smaller scale of Kingdom figures.

Rattraps.JPG

(From Deluxe Baldwin on YouTube)

Sure not going to try to change your opinion, but the size differences are so minor and the aesthetics are so different I don't think the original would look any better with Kingdom.

Emerje

Sabrblade wrote:

Emerje wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I thought Drill Bit was considered the worst of the Basic figures?

I like Drill Bit. He's a bug with a drill face, what's not to like?

Emerje

His translucent plastic might make him a bit delicate nowadays.

TOO MUCH ENERGON! wrote:What's the figure directly beside the Kingdom one? I think that's probably the best-looking Rattrap of the bunch.

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:And I thought Transmetal Rattrap being used for BW 10th instead of the original Basic was nothing more than logistics, really. Putting a Basic figure in a line set as "Deluxe only", yeah no.

Zeedust wrote:

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:And I thought Transmetal Rattrap being used for BW 10th instead of the original Basic was nothing more than logistics, really. Putting a Basic figure in a line set as "Deluxe only", yeah no.

Yeah, that was my assumption as well.

They pulled the original Terrorsaur mold out of mothballs for use in AoE, so we know at least one of the first-wave basic-class BW molds was available for use in a 2014 toyline. The BW 10th anniversary toyline was 2006. I'm skeptical about the idea that Rattrap's mold was unusable by then when Terrosaur's, which got reused far more, was still good 8 years later.

Sabrblade wrote:

Zeedust wrote:

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:And I thought Transmetal Rattrap being used for BW 10th instead of the original Basic was nothing more than logistics, really. Putting a Basic figure in a line set as "Deluxe only", yeah no.

Yeah, that was my assumption as well.

They pulled the original Terrorsaur mold out of mothballs for use in AoE, so we know at least one of the first-wave basic-class BW molds was available for use in a 2014 toyline. The BW 10th anniversary toyline was 2006. I'm skeptical about the idea that Rattrap's mold was unusable by then when Terrosaur's, which got reused far more, was still good 8 years later.

Yeah, the Terrorsaur mold showing up in AOE came as a shock to everyone, as it too was believed to have been lost like the Rattrap, Insecticon, and Armordillo molds.

Dead Metal wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Zeedust wrote:

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:And I thought Transmetal Rattrap being used for BW 10th instead of the original Basic was nothing more than logistics, really. Putting a Basic figure in a line set as "Deluxe only", yeah no.

Yeah, that was my assumption as well.

They pulled the original Terrorsaur mold out of mothballs for use in AoE, so we know at least one of the first-wave basic-class BW molds was available for use in a 2014 toyline. The BW 10th anniversary toyline was 2006. I'm skeptical about the idea that Rattrap's mold was unusable by then when Terrosaur's, which got reused far more, was still good 8 years later.

Yeah, the Terrorsaur mold showing up in AOE came as a shock to everyone, as it too was believed to have been lost like the Rattrap, Insecticon, and Armordillo molds.

Wait, what? I just had to check this and wow. That has got to be the most random redeco ever. A 20 year old mold used as something in a main toyline...

william-james88 wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Zeedust wrote:

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:And I thought Transmetal Rattrap being used for BW 10th instead of the original Basic was nothing more than logistics, really. Putting a Basic figure in a line set as "Deluxe only", yeah no.

Yeah, that was my assumption as well.

They pulled the original Terrorsaur mold out of mothballs for use in AoE, so we know at least one of the first-wave basic-class BW molds was available for use in a 2014 toyline. The BW 10th anniversary toyline was 2006. I'm skeptical about the idea that Rattrap's mold was unusable by then when Terrosaur's, which got reused far more, was still good 8 years later.

Yeah, the Terrorsaur mold showing up in AOE came as a shock to everyone, as it too was believed to have been lost like the Rattrap, Insecticon, and Armordillo molds.

Wait, what? I just had to check this and wow. That has got to be the most random redeco ever. A 20 year old mold used as something in a main toyline...

It wasn't a main toyline.

Sabrblade wrote:]Yeah, the Terrorsaur mold showing up in AOE came as a shock to everyone, as it too was believed to have been lost like the Rattrap, Insecticon, and Armordillo molds.

Zeedust wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:]Yeah, the Terrorsaur mold showing up in AOE came as a shock to everyone, as it too was believed to have been lost like the Rattrap, Insecticon, and Armordillo molds.

Okay, I'm just gonna come out and say it. Did someone on the inside actually say those molds were lost?

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Zeedust wrote:

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:And I thought Transmetal Rattrap being used for BW 10th instead of the original Basic was nothing more than logistics, really. Putting a Basic figure in a line set as "Deluxe only", yeah no.

Yeah, that was my assumption as well.

They pulled the original Terrorsaur mold out of mothballs for use in AoE, so we know at least one of the first-wave basic-class BW molds was available for use in a 2014 toyline. The BW 10th anniversary toyline was 2006. I'm skeptical about the idea that Rattrap's mold was unusable by then when Terrosaur's, which got reused far more, was still good 8 years later.

Yeah, the Terrorsaur mold showing up in AOE came as a shock to everyone, as it too was believed to have been lost like the Rattrap, Insecticon, and Armordillo molds.

Wait, what? I just had to check this and wow. That has got to be the most random redeco ever. A 20 year old mold used as something in a main toyline...

It wasn't a main toyline.

It was a Walmart exclusive to be exact, packaged with a RotF Legion Bumblebee. And well, dinos sell, so any available was used. Look at Grimlock, he got Prime Legion Rippersnapper (multiple times!), FoC Grimlock and Energon Cruellock(!) used.

Actually, the BW springloaded Basics may not be lost, but undesireable to be used due some of the mechanisms, the (supposed) force necessary to trigger them and how little fingers can get stuck inside them. I have Iguanus, Armordillo and BW Neo Hydra within reach and I can see kids getting their fingers hurt. Compare them to the current One-Step Changers, you'll see what I mean

Dead Metal wrote:So the wiki got it wrong when it states that it's an AOE release? Ok.