Video Review - Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Sky Lynx

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:I have E14 as the Rung re-release.

Has he been officially announced? I was going off TFWiki which has Smashdown listed for E2 but nothing for E14. So maybe "Grindor" will be E40 if he's happening then?

Would have been nice if the Sky Lynx review could have stuck him with PotP Predaking for comparison. I'm sure he's much too small, but I'm curious.

Emerje

Okay, I just watched the Skylynx video, and I'm impressed. A much, much better figure than Jetfire was, IMO. He has a lot more going on, and all of his space is utilized. No robot parts hanging out all over the place. The lynx is definitely the best part, but of course the combined mode is how it should be. That shuttle mode makes me think that if they gave Astrotrain this treatment, he would have been a much better figure as well. Based on this review, I'll be getting Sky lynx for sure. Like the reviewer said, the bird mode is the weakest, but it still looks good. Great colors, great functionality, good transformation. A definite winner.

I like the dino bird mode quite a bit, it's just the legs that are problematic. They're too close together making him look bowlegged at certain angles and his feet are all wrong. He has the feet of a song bird, not the talons of a bird of prey like the original.

Emerje

*grumblegrumbleJetfireDOESN'THAVErobotpartshangingoutallovertheplacegrumblegrumble*

Emerje wrote:I like the dino bird mode quite a bit, it's just the legs that are problematic. They're too close together making him look bowlegged at certain angles and his feet are all wrong. He has the feet of a song bird, not the talons of a bird of prey like the original.

Emerje

The feet are still talonlike IMO, they're just closer together so that they don't need the webbing the original had:


The front claws are angled a bit flatter by default, but concessions did have to be made for the decidedly greater poseability of ER Sky Lynz's bird legs.

Yeah, I totally skipped Jetfire because he's cool but really just a big dude and I got combiners that are big dudes plus more. Now this, however, is the good stuff. Basically two Transformers that combine in both modes. Lynx is a lynx and a base and Sky is a bird and a shuttle. Or at least that's how I imagine the name split. Anyways, this makes me feel like I'm getting so much more for my money.

Maybe talons were deemed too sharp by either Hasbro or safety regulations? And it's too bad about the wing hinges as well, the wings flop down under their weight when fully expanded. Otherwise, this figure has no negatives that I can see, though I will never put him in his 'base' mode. It's more like a launch pad like Astrotrain has anyway. That's why I said, had Astrotrain been a commander class figure (leader class Astrotrain plus extra crap) maybe his shuttle mode would look as good as Skylynx does, instead of looking half-finished.

I'm pretty sure Astrotrain's shuttle mode would still have suffered so long as they stuck to the stupid cartoon chest, unless maybe if they gave him skinnier arms so that the majority of the shuttle aft didn't have to be comprised of his arms.
But even with the arms as-is, his shuttle mode would look a lot better if the chestplate covering them was one that could be right-side-up in both modes instead of having to expose its ugly hollow back.

Safety seems unlikely as a reason for the changes to Sky Lynx's feet. I'm pretty sure balance and possibly transformation clearance are more likely factors. If PotP Grimlock's dino foot claws are acceptable, I don't see why talons wouldn't be. I'm pretty sure the cause was desire to have flat feet for mechanical reasons.

Also, IMO the back part of the feet clinches them as still being talons. It's hooked like the rear toe of one, after all.

aronjlove wrote:Yeah, I totally skipped Jetfire because he's cool but really just a big dude and I got combiners that are big dudes plus more. Now this, however, is the good stuff. Basically two Transformers that combine in both modes. Lynx is a lynx and a base and Sky is a bird and a shuttle. Or at least that's how I imagine the name split. Anyways, this makes me feel like I'm getting so much more for my money.

That's why I skipped Jetfire (aside from general lack of space on my main display ). Sky lynx however, because of the bestial robot mode, feels like he actually does justify the size. Plus, because of the base mode, I'm going to add him to the Titanmaster/Micromaster city I have, though I'll need to decide what mode he'll be in most of the time

Indeed, the transformation is part of the foot problem. They chose to tuck them up inside the body instead of flattened out on the bottom so they would have to be made smaller and narrower to fit.

The wings don't bother me, mine wont be doing much flying around and there's still time for the looseness to be fixed.

Emerje

I think they also needed to be flatter to have more surface area on the ground.

Having the feet tuck into the body also makes the shuttle a bit more tidy beneath and lets it dock more flush with the back of the lynx.

My only issue with his bird mode is the legs- not how skinny they are, but how closely together they seem to be the closer they get to the body. At some angles, it looks like they almost meet at the same point, like a kid drew and designed then. I realize most people will be displaying him in combined mode, but it's still a minor point of bother.

Based off the images just released of Snapdragon on Dengeki Hobby, I think it's safe to say the majority of his white plastic will be like Apeface's. That's not a problem for me as I didn't mind the plastic, but it's something a couple of people really hated. Still looking forward to getting this figure to complete the Horrorcons

He sure does look a lot nicer than Apeface did.

Sentinel_Primal wrote:Based off the images just released of Snapdragon on Dengeki Hobby, I think it's safe to say the majority of his white plastic will be like Apeface's. That's not a problem for me as I didn't mind the plastic, but it's something a couple of people really hated. Still looking forward to getting this figure to complete the Horrorcons

I'm actually fine with the reuse of the "soapy" colored white plastic. It makes Snapdragon match Apeface that much better together now. They're a matching pair.

Are these pics or renders, as the white seems more matte than shiny on Apeface and these images make it look shiny.

Snapdragon is looking snappy. All three of the modes are almost too clean looking to be true, cant wait to pick him up when this corona madness blows over!

Snapdragon doesn't seem to have any battle damage paint apps. That's a shame. I wish he did for more parity with his partner, Apeface.

aronjlove wrote:Are these pics or renders, as the white seems more matte than shiny on Apeface and these images make it look shiny.

Pictures. And if I recall correctly, when Apeface's pictures were released they looked similarly shiny. It's all dependent on the lighting setup used

Hollow Dino arms are really bad but looks good otherwise - won't be too hard to sprinkle glitter on it to match apeface :p

If you can't deal with visible hollows, especially when they're not all that big, maybe you should give up Transformers and collect the reboot Diaclone line instead.

Bounti76 wrote:My only issue with his bird mode is the legs- not how skinny they are, but how closely together they seem to be the closer they get to the body.

Well luckily for you, that's just an optical illusion. Having looked at both the video and the toy fair pics, there's a very definite space between them all the way up.

Bounti76 wrote:At some angles, it looks like they almost meet at the same point, like a kid drew and designed then.

That can happen with any Transformer with poseable legs, especially when they have a wide upper body.

Nah, I'll just win the lottery so I can pay the price of a deluxe to support hasbros support of third party companies with their fillers... though it probably would be cheaper to collect the rebooted diaclone. Even with the hollows it looks like like an improvement over the G1 figure (just needs some decepticon stickers on the wings).

Interesting to see if him and apeface ever get selects repaints just for double usage of them (clean apeface and dirty snapdragon or beast box and overkill at a struggle - they could even dust off potp swoop for a squalk talk in the regular earthrise line up).

@blackeyedprime Or maybe they'll do something sly and redeco Snapdragon in red, gray, and black.

Mold hollows have been a part of Transformers forever, and always will be... Those gaps in Snapdragon's dino arms are pretty minor stuff. They've got nothing on, say, PotP Optimus' forearms or Cybertron Optimus' leg guns (And where's the fillers for those, eh, 3P? It's only been 15 years since the toy came out...). Or, to give a non-TF example, Titanus' cannons.

I hate to say it but I'm not impressed with Snappy. At first I thought I was looking at a legends class figure. He seems so simple. Definitely doesn't look like he's got much going on. But I guess we'll find out when he's reviewed. And that dino mode...

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:@blackeyedprime Or maybe they'll do something sly and redeco Snapdragon in red, gray, and black.

Well, if we're gonna go homaging designs of other companies...

IMO Dengeki's pics do him dirty, especially the dino mode. The white background doesn't help.




Here are some better pics of his dino mode.

Another reminder of those Allicon Beast Mode "arms"... *Shudder*

The jet mode was what I was most concerned with. Some were sceptical he would be a unique mold to Apeface and given how very different the two designs are, I was apprehensive on that front. Luckily the Horrorcon with the superior Jet Mode has retained that title, several decades later. It is stunning.

The Beast Modes of both are disappointing however, there's no escaping that. We've had five years of the Beast Era, experimenting and refining Transforming [triple changer] animal designs, since their initial G1 debut. That knowhow should have been brought into play to streamline their modern designs. That didn't happen and therein lies the disparity.

Is it wrong I want a Beast Wars Megatron redeco for SELECTS? Not that it will happen.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote: The Beast Modes of both are disappointing however, there's no escaping that. We've had five years of the Beast Era, experimenting and refining Transforming [triple changer] animal designs, since their initial G1 debut. That knowhow should have been brought into play to streamline their modern designs. That didn't happen and therein lies the disparity.

1. Reality check time: Most of those triple-changer animal designs had the reverse problem - the vehicle mode was fairly obviously made of animal bits.
2. Bear in mind the fact that Apeface and Snapdragon have the constraint of still needing to look like their G1 selves, whereas the Beast Warriors had more organic limb shapes.
3. Their beast modes have been streamlined.



Snapdragon's dino mode used to have the bulk of his robot legs awkwardly trying to hide under his belly, while his dino arms were these clumsy chunky things hanging mounted to the side of them.
Now, the dino arms are better-proportioned and tuck into his torso in his other modes, and the robot legs have been consolidated with the dino tail. This also streamlines his robot mode:



Apeface has similarly consolidated his robot mode legs with his gorilla forearms, vastly improving his own beast mode. And while his robot arms are still stuck on his gorilla hips, they at least hide the hands and fold up, making it look less blatant and more like he just has fat hips.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:1. Reality check time: Most of those triple-changer animal designs had the reverse problem - the vehicle mode was fairly obviously made of animal bits.

Actual reality check: I'm not talking about figures from 1998. I'm talking about the creative process has come a long way since the 80's. The Beast Era refined Beast Mode designs. Transmetals themselves had vehicle augments but none of them went as far as completely changing into a car, osprey etc (Waspinator was probably the closest to a "true" Triple-Former).

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:2. Bear in mind the fact that Apeface and Snapdragon have the constraint of still needing to look like their G1 selves, whereas the Beast Warriors had more organic limb shapes.

That is also a redundant excuse. They still have to strictly adhere to their 80's designs, yet Generations Springer, Trypticon, Omega Supreme or even Earthrise Prime don't? Why is that??

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:That is also a redundant excuse. They still have to strictly adhere to their 80's designs, yet Generations Springer, Trypticon, Omega Supreme or even Earthrise Prime don't? Why is that??

If the Generations Springer you're talking about is the Siege one... How do any of those not adhere to their '80s designs??

Apeface and Snapdragon's beast modes looking bulky and slightly abstract is a part of their visual identity IMO, and even if you streamline that you still gotta maintain a certain amount of it unless you're actually trying to reinvent them, which clearly is not the case here.

(If you're talking about T30 Springer, than it's irrelevant because it's from a part of Generations before this strict adherence to the original '80s designs came about.)

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:1. Reality check time: Most of those triple-changer animal designs had the reverse problem - the vehicle mode was fairly obviously made of animal bits.

Actual reality check: I'm not talking about figures from 1998. I'm talking about the creative process has come a long way since the 80's. The Beast Era refined Beast Mode designs. Transmetals themselves had vehicle augments but none of them went as far as completely changing into a car, osprey etc (Waspinator was probably the closest to a "true" Triple-Former).

Ah. Well, you're still wrong. Because those lessons have been applied.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:2. Bear in mind the fact that Apeface and Snapdragon have the constraint of still needing to look like their G1 selves, whereas the Beast Warriors had more organic limb shapes.

That is also a redundant excuse. They still have to strictly adhere to their 80's designs, yet Generations Springer, Trypticon, Omega Supreme or even Earthrise Prime don't? Why is that??

What the actual hell are you talking about? Every. Last. One. of those toys you mentioned looks like their '80s self. The engineering has been vastly improved (although in Prime's case I'm tempted to say he's over-engineered), but they still look like the blocky designs of the cartoon and comics of yore.

And Apeface and Snapdragon have seen similar improvements in engineering, as outlined in the last part of my post.

Quite a large chunk of SIEGE would disagree with a "strict adherence to 80's designs" being enforced at all. Also, back to Beast Formers, Trypticon retains his visual identity, yet has a completely updated design. As also suggested by the images for the new Scorponok.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Quite a large chunk of SIEGE would disagree with a "strict adherence to 80's designs" being enforced at all.

Get this through your skull: We're talking about the VISUAL design, not the transformation engineering.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Also, back to Beast Formers, Trypticon retains his visual identity, yet has a completely updated design. As also suggested by the images for the new Scorponok.

Speaking as someone who owns both versions of Trypticon, the transformation engineering on him isn't all that different. He's a lot more articulated, but the basic transformation scheme is largely the same. And with Scorponok, it looks like the most substantial difference is that his scorpion legs tuck away in robot mode.

And I reiterate that Apeface and Snapdragon have received refinements in their transformation. I outlined this in my first response to you. Maybe you should actually read that part of it - I've seen nothing to indicate that you have.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:1. Reality check time: Most of those triple-changer animal designs had the reverse problem - the vehicle mode was fairly obviously made of animal bits.

Actual reality check: I'm not talking about figures from 1998. I'm talking about the creative process has come a long way since the 80's. The Beast Era refined Beast Mode designs. Transmetals themselves had vehicle augments but none of them went as far as completely changing into a car, osprey etc (Waspinator was probably the closest to a "true" Triple-Former).

Ah. Well, you're still wrong. Because those lessons have been applied.

No, incorrect again. Because "Mecha-Godzilla" and "Mecha-King Kong" still look no closer to what they originally pay homage to and in 2019/2020, they could quite easily.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:2. Bear in mind the fact that Apeface and Snapdragon have the constraint of still needing to look like their G1 selves, whereas the Beast Warriors had more organic limb shapes.

That is also a redundant excuse. They still have to strictly adhere to their 80's designs, yet Generations Springer, Trypticon, Omega Supreme or even Earthrise Prime don't? Why is that??

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:The engineering has been vastly improved (although in Prime's case I'm tempted to say he's over-engineered), but they still look like the blocky designs of the cartoon and comics of yore.

And Apeface and Snapdragon have seen similar improvements in engineering, as outlined in the last part of my post.

The new figures I mentioned still carry their visual identity, but the entire point I am making is one of creative design and engineering. Omega Supreme, still looks like himself, but he doesn't still carry visual cues from his 80s toy. The Horrorcon bot modes are good. Jet modes, a swing (Snapdragon) and a miss (Apeface). The Beast Modes are not good enough and they are more than capable of being so. You would think given they are two unique molds, HasTak would have put the effort in to their complete designs. Instead they gave a clear focus on certain modes at the expense of others.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Quite a large chunk of SIEGE would disagree with a "strict adherence to 80's designs" being enforced at all.

Get this through your skull: We're talking about the VISUAL design, not the transformation engineering.

I wasn't. So if you didn't understand from the very beginning, maybe best to say as much? Or nothing?

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:1. Reality check time: Most of those triple-changer animal designs had the reverse problem - the vehicle mode was fairly obviously made of animal bits.

Actual reality check: I'm not talking about figures from 1998. I'm talking about the creative process has come a long way since the 80's. The Beast Era refined Beast Mode designs. Transmetals themselves had vehicle augments but none of them went as far as completely changing into a car, osprey etc (Waspinator was probably the closest to a "true" Triple-Former).

Ah. Well, you're still wrong. Because those lessons have been applied.

No, incorrect again. Because "Mecha-Godzilla" and "Mecha-King Kong" still look no closer to what they originally pay homage to

Nope, you're the one who's wrong. Apeface's gorilla chest no longer sticks out a mile past his head and the gorilla head itself is better proportioned. Snapdragon no longer has robot leg tumors on his dino chest, his T. rex limbs are better proportioned and mounted where they should be (and more articulate), his neck actually looks like a neck and not just a block flipped out, and he has a bigger and more distinct head.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:and in 2019/2020, they could quite easily.

How, exactly? Outline what you want here. Give me a laundry list of the further improvements you want made and how they'd fit in.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:2. Bear in mind the fact that Apeface and Snapdragon have the constraint of still needing to look like their G1 selves, whereas the Beast Warriors had more organic limb shapes.

That is also a redundant excuse. They still have to strictly adhere to their 80's designs, yet Generations Springer, Trypticon, Omega Supreme or even Earthrise Prime don't? Why is that??

The engineering has been vastly improved (although in Prime's case I'm tempted to say he's over-engineered), but they still look like the blocky designs of the cartoon and comics of yore.

And Apeface and Snapdragon have seen similar improvements in engineering, as outlined in the last part of my post.

The new figures I mentioned still carry their visual identity, but the entire point I am making is one of creative design and engineering. Omega Supreme, still looks like himself, but he doesn't still carry visual cues from his 80s toy.

You are talking out your exhaust port on that one so hard it's not even funny. Several Prime Wars and WFC molds carry visual cues to such an extent that they have molded detail BASED ON THE 80s TOYS' STICKERS.
I think I actually got distracted from my original point here, which is that the only practical way I can see to further improve their beast modes would be to make said modes less blocky (which is what sets Beast Wars' beast modes apart from G1, in terms of appearance), but that that wasn't happening within the constraint of resembling their '80s selves looks-wise.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:The Horrorcon bot modes are good. Jet modes, a swing (Snapdragon) and a miss (Apeface). The Beast Modes are not good enough and they are more than capable of being so. You would think given they are two unique molds, HasTak would have put the effort in to their complete designs.

They did, and you're utterly failing to see it.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Instead they gave a clear focus on certain modes at the expense of others.

The only thing that's true of is Apeface's jet mode.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Quite a large chunk of SIEGE would disagree with a "strict adherence to 80's designs" being enforced at all.

Get this through your skull: We're talking about the VISUAL design, not the transformation engineering.

I wasn't. So if you didn't understand from the very beginning, maybe best to say as much? Or nothing?

You sure seemed to be talking about engineering, what with remarks like " but the entire point I am making is one of creative design and engineering".

And whether it was looks or engineering you were talking about, you're wrong.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:
Apeface has similarly consolidated his robot mode legs with his gorilla forearms, vastly improving his own beast mode. And while his robot arms are still stuck on his gorilla hips, they at least hide the hands and fold up, making it look less blatant and more like he just has fat hips.

Those hips don't lie!

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:The Horrorcon bot modes are good. Jet modes, a swing (Snapdragon) and a miss (Apeface). The Beast Modes are not good enough and they are more than capable of being so. You would think given they are two unique molds, HasTak would have put the effort in to their complete designs. Instead they gave a clear focus on certain modes at the expense of others.

Yeah, that's just called being a triplechanger Transformer.

william-james88 wrote:Controversial opinion:
I think T30 Hoist looks better in both modes than Earthrise Hoist.

Controversial? Yes. But I fully agree with you. I too think that T30 Hoist looks better in both modes over Earthrise Hoist.

ThunderThruster wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Controversial opinion:
I think T30 Hoist looks better in both modes than Earthrise Hoist.

Controversial? Yes. But I fully agree with you. I too think that T30 Hoist looks better in both modes over Earthrise Hoist.

I suppose it depends on what you're looking for in a Hoist. If you want lavish G1 toon model, then Earthrise has you covered, you want a good representation of the character, no matter the source then T30 is the one to beat.

True. In my case I think I prefer the modernized design of the T30, as I was never that huge a fan of the G1 design.

ZeroWolf wrote:

ThunderThruster wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Controversial opinion:
I think T30 Hoist looks better in both modes than Earthrise Hoist.

Controversial? Yes. But I fully agree with you. I too think that T30 Hoist looks better in both modes over Earthrise Hoist.

I suppose it depends on what you're looking for in a Hoist. If you want lavish G1 toon model, then Earthrise has you covered, you want a good representation of the character, no matter the source then T30 is the one to beat.

I think the T30 one is ugly in both modes. Something about the shape of the truck cabin in vehicle mode and the way the hood looks in robot mode... It puts me off. That's not exactly the greatest-looking green either, and because of both that green and where they put the hood... he would really benefit from having the head be black like the cartoon. Trailbreaker I think wears the mold a bit better; the truck shape and hood disposition still bug me, but it's more palatable in his colors.

I agree with the sentiment that ROTF Hoist (a redeco of movie 1 Longarm) makes for a better-looking modernized Hoist than T30.

Aside from Arcee and Megatron, I'm really looking forward to collecting what Earthrise has on offer. Snapdragon and Scorponok are both "SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY".

Wolfman Jake wrote:Yeah, that's just called being a triplechanger Transformer.

Yeah, it seems really hard to make Triple Changers that have 3 good modes (like T30 Springer and Sandstorm)

Autobot N wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:Yeah, that's just called being a triplechanger Transformer.

Yeah, it seems really hard to make Triple Changers that have 3 good modes (like T30 Springer and Sandstorm)

Yeah, I think they caught lightning in a bottle with that mold. I never owned any of them until I got Springer recently (thanks Zelda!) and now I want all the others, Sandstorm, Battletrap and most importantly Cloud Rodimus.

As for comparing Hoists, I think it's important to take into account the purpose for the figures. T30 was more like a reimaging for G1, just like Springer was. But the ER figure is a direct homage to the G1 figure itself, so it has to adhere to the original's design, whereas T30 didn't. It's the same reason why Metroplex was the way he was, and didn't look exactly like the G1. I hope Warden really does take his own shot at him.

T30 Hoist is a more interesting design imo, but I think ER Hoist is better because of vehicle mode scale (and also wheels that make more sense). Though, I think T30 just wins for me because of ER's clear plastic hood that's been painted over. I trust Hasbro's done all the QC they need to to make sure the plastic works, but it still makes me a tad nervous

Nemesis Primal wrote:Also, so far, Selects HAS been limited to WFC molds for it's WFC Selects figures. The closest to an exception to that has been Lancer, but she still used Greenlight's tooling/version of the mold that only got released IN WFC.

How about not having a numbered release? Because those seem to be without rule.

Also, to answer a question that was asked, the only siege tetrajets that i think will be redone on esrthrise are the three main seekers we already know we are getting.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Autobot N wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:Yeah, that's just called being a triplechanger Transformer.

Yeah, it seems really hard to make Triple Changers that have 3 good modes (like T30 Springer and Sandstorm)

Yeah, I think they caught lightning in a bottle with that mold. I never owned any of them until I got Springer recently (thanks Zelda!) and now I want all the others, Sandstorm, Battletrap and most importantly Cloud Rodimus.

You're welcome!

Rodimus Prime wrote:As for comparing Hoists, I think it's important to take into account the purpose for the figures. T30 was more like a reimaging for G1, just like Springer was. But the ER figure is a direct homage to the G1 figure itself, so it has to adhere to the original's design, whereas T30 didn't.

But even compared to the G1, the WFC versions have had refinements or even reinventions in their transfomation design while retaining the basic look - or coming closer to the cartoon's version of it (for example, SIEGE Springer's car mode has the fenders move past the hood like in the cartoon; really helps that mode).
That includes Apeface and Snapdragon: they've undergone serious limb consolidation that means neither of them has their robot legs hanging off their beast mode chests (immensely proving both robot and beast modes, although it does mean that Apeface lost his jet mode's sloped intakes because they'd restrict the movement of his gorilla shoulders), and gotten more articulate better-proportioned beast heads because the Titan Masters only complete the beast noggin rather than form its entirety. Snapdragon also has a neck that looks more like a neck and his head is mounted on it at a better angle, and his T. rex arms are actually attached to his dino torso instead of to panels that are part of his robot legs.
So it bugs me to see people talking like there haven't been substantial improvements.

Rodimus Prime wrote:It's the same reason why Metroplex was the way he was, and didn't look exactly like the G1. I hope Warden really does take his own shot at him.

Well, T30 Metroplex may not look exactly like G1 but he sure transforms almost exactly like G1 So that shot might be as simple as a re-shell.

Cobotron wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

Cobotron wrote:Yes, please, and thank you Mr. Skywarp!

This however does not make me think we will not be getting the other two coneheads in some form or the other down the line.

Never say never! There's still opportunity for the coneheads to come as either Amazon exclusives, or as Selects

LEt me reword that Z. I think we willl still get the other 2 coneheads. Eventually. Down the road.

Other 2 coneheads?...there's one coming out?

NTESHFT wrote:

Cobotron wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

Cobotron wrote:Yes, please, and thank you Mr. Skywarp!

This however does not make me think we will not be getting the other two coneheads in some form or the other down the line.

Never say never! There's still opportunity for the coneheads to come as either Amazon exclusives, or as Selects

LEt me reword that Z. I think we willl still get the other 2 coneheads. Eventually. Down the road.

Other 2 coneheads?...there's one coming out?

Yes.

Someone please news the Thrust listing so that it trickles down faster.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

NTESHFT wrote:

Cobotron wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

Cobotron wrote:Yes, please, and thank you Mr. Skywarp!

This however does not make me think we will not be getting the other two coneheads in some form or the other down the line.

Never say never! There's still opportunity for the coneheads to come as either Amazon exclusives, or as Selects

LEt me reword that Z. I think we willl still get the other 2 coneheads. Eventually. Down the road.

Other 2 coneheads?...there's one coming out?

Yes.

Someone please news the Thrust listing so that it trickles down faster.

Much excited!!! Gotta bring the other 2 out, especially since Ramjet was my favorite....oh and the G2 version as well. Come on Hasbro, get the most out of those moulds...

william-james88 wrote:

Nemesis Primal wrote:Also, so far, Selects HAS been limited to WFC molds for it's WFC Selects figures. The closest to an exception to that has been Lancer, but she still used Greenlight's tooling/version of the mold that only got released IN WFC.

How about not having a numbered release? Because those seem to be without rule.

Also, to answer a question that was asked, the only siege tetrajets that i think will be redone on esrthrise are the three main seekers we already know we are getting.

The non-numbered releases weren't WFC Selects though, they were PotP Selects, so my statement from last week is still true. Every WFC Selects figure both has been numbered and uses only WFC molds/tooling, with Lancer being the closest thing to an exception, whereas the PotP Selects are "without rule" because they merely follow different rules than the WFC releases since they aren't the same thing. The PotP guys are basically in their own line separate from everything called Selects that came after in terms of how they were handled, they were more of just post-launch DLC for PotP than an actual Selects lineup as we know it now from Siege. Basically, the way I look at it there's 2 and a half different Selects lines, since they all seem to follow different rulesets SO FAR: 1 and 2 being WFC Selects (Hasbro-initiated WFC repaints/new head retools) and Takara Selects (Takara-initiated extensive Prime Wars Trilogy retools), and the half being PotP Selects (Hasbro-initiated PotP repaints) since it was only two figures. I think y'all's holdup is that you're trying to treat all the Hasbro-initiated Selects as one continuous line of releases despite those different rules, which is why I keep having to point out my distinction of saying WFC Selects.

That all being said, Hasbro could release a Selects Primal Prime or something from the PotP mold tomorrow and prove all of that wrong for all I know, I'm just going off of what they've done so far and so far this has all been consistent.

I'm really hoping you're right about the lack of Seeker repeats, for me the 3 main guys again this early are already too many repeats...

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Someone please news the Thrust listing so that it trickles down faster.

The Thrust listing, and all the other listings from that set of leaks, were already news'd back in late February, I just went back and checked.