Video Review - Transformers: The Covenant of Primus
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Fellow Seibertron.com user The7thParallel has posted a YouTube review of the recently released Covenant of Primus collectable book. If you've managed to miss all the news about it so far, go check the thread for it in the Energon Pub, after checking out the review below!
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Re: Video Review - Transformers: The Covenant of Primus (1534339)
Posted by ? Sentinel ? Prime on December 10th, 2013 @ 5:00pm CST
Posted by ? Sentinel ? Prime on December 10th, 2013 @ 5:00pm CST
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Re: Video Review - Transformers: The Covenant of Primus (1534351)
Posted by Sabrblade on December 10th, 2013 @ 5:30pm CST
Posted by Sabrblade on December 10th, 2013 @ 5:30pm CST
That is a LOT of encasement.
Re: Video Review - Transformers: The Covenant of Primus (1534361)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on December 10th, 2013 @ 6:14pm CST
Posted by -Kanrabat- on December 10th, 2013 @ 6:14pm CST
SEIBERTRON, STOP MAKING ME WANT THINGS!!!!
Re: Video Review - Transformers: The Covenant of Primus (1534373)
Posted by CMBcheetor on December 10th, 2013 @ 6:40pm CST
Posted by CMBcheetor on December 10th, 2013 @ 6:40pm CST
Does it have the passages from Beast Wars? 
Re: Video Review - Transformers: The Covenant of Primus (1534374)
Posted by Va'al on December 10th, 2013 @ 6:48pm CST
This is just for the Aligned continuity: War for Cybertron and Fall of Cybertron videogames, Exodus, Exiles and Retribution novels, Prime TV series, Fall of Cybertron, Rage of the Dinobots and Beast Hunters comics. So no, no Beast Wars this time!
Posted by Va'al on December 10th, 2013 @ 6:48pm CST
CMBcheetor wrote:Does it have the passages from Beast Wars?
This is just for the Aligned continuity: War for Cybertron and Fall of Cybertron videogames, Exodus, Exiles and Retribution novels, Prime TV series, Fall of Cybertron, Rage of the Dinobots and Beast Hunters comics. So no, no Beast Wars this time!
Re: Video Review - Transformers: The Covenant of Primus (1534381)
Posted by Asepticon on December 10th, 2013 @ 7:16pm CST
Posted by Asepticon on December 10th, 2013 @ 7:16pm CST
No Beast Wars related stuff? Bumber. I do wish it were comparable to the COP in the show that it was first referenced.
Re: Video Review - Transformers: The Covenant of Primus (1534406)
Posted by ? Sentinel ? Prime on December 10th, 2013 @ 10:25pm CST
Posted by ? Sentinel ? Prime on December 10th, 2013 @ 10:25pm CST
Well the Beast Era hasnt happened yet in the series timeline, so I dont see how that would work without major spoilers.
Re: Video Review - Transformers: The Covenant of Primus (1534413)
Posted by Sabrblade on December 10th, 2013 @ 10:39pm CST
Posted by Sabrblade on December 10th, 2013 @ 10:39pm CST
Unless it's some new adaptation, why would the Beast Era happen in the Aligned Continuity?Ω Sentinel ζ Prime wrote:Well the Beast Era hasnt happened yet in the series timeline, so I dont see how that would work without major spoilers.
Re: Video Review - Transformers: The Covenant of Primus (1534423)
Posted by Asepticon on December 10th, 2013 @ 11:30pm CST
Posted by Asepticon on December 10th, 2013 @ 11:30pm CST
Well it would have the prophesy about the Beast Wars I guess is what I meant. I'll be reading it tomorrow. I can't wait! I haven't read most of the comics that are in it so I guess I'll be taking in a lot 
Re: Video Review - Transformers: The Covenant of Primus (1534442)
Posted by xyl360 on December 11th, 2013 @ 2:06am CST
That's what I was hoping for when it was first announced. Instead, it's that aligned/comics 13/Cybertron is a giant robot god/Unicron is a giant robot devil (and brother of giant robot god) stuff that I never really got into.
I wonder if the third parties will do one proper (that's actually a cassette recorder within instead of a book):
The cover of the box does look pretty much the same though:
Posted by xyl360 on December 11th, 2013 @ 2:06am CST
Asepticon wrote:No Beast Wars related stuff? Bumber. I do wish it were comparable to the COP in the show that it was first referenced.
That's what I was hoping for when it was first announced. Instead, it's that aligned/comics 13/Cybertron is a giant robot god/Unicron is a giant robot devil (and brother of giant robot god) stuff that I never really got into.
I wonder if the third parties will do one proper (that's actually a cassette recorder within instead of a book):
The cover of the box does look pretty much the same though:
Re: Video Review - Transformers: The Covenant of Primus (1534477)
Posted by Sabrblade on December 11th, 2013 @ 7:48am CST
Posted by Sabrblade on December 11th, 2013 @ 7:48am CST
But why?Asepticon wrote:Well it would have the prophesy about the Beast Wars I guess is what I meant.
Re: Video Review - Transformers: The Covenant of Primus (1534481)
Posted by ? Sentinel ? Prime on December 11th, 2013 @ 7:57am CST
Posted by ? Sentinel ? Prime on December 11th, 2013 @ 7:57am CST
Well given Aligned's mandate is to be a kind of "All-Star" panoply of past continuity, it'd be amiss for a Beast Era analog NOT to occur.
Speaking of, would anyone who has read it in full be so kind as to give a full spoiler summary here please?
Thank you kindly.
Speaking of, would anyone who has read it in full be so kind as to give a full spoiler summary here please?
Thank you kindly.
Re: Video Review - Transformers: The Covenant of Primus (1534485)
Posted by Sabrblade on December 11th, 2013 @ 8:13am CST
Posted by Sabrblade on December 11th, 2013 @ 8:13am CST
Isn't the fact that they remade the Predacons to be as far and different from the Beast Wars iteration as possible sort of a clue that there might not be a Beast Era analog?Ω Sentinel ζ Prime wrote:Well given Aligned's mandate is to be a kind of "All-Star" panoply of past continuity, it'd be amiss for a Beast Era analog NOT to occur.
Re: Video Review - Transformers: The Covenant of Primus (1534493)
Posted by Asepticon on December 11th, 2013 @ 8:59am CST
Posted by Asepticon on December 11th, 2013 @ 8:59am CST
Ok, basically what I imagined it would be would make it like a bible with past elements and prophecy about the future. Why? Because I would have found it entertaing as though i owned a copy of the original Covenant of Primus from the Beast Wars cartoon. Still, I'm sure it's gonna be great. That's just what I would have prefered.
Re: Video Review - Transformers: The Covenant of Primus (1534496)
Posted by Asepticon on December 11th, 2013 @ 9:07am CST
Not at all. That could have been the onset of the beast era.
Posted by Asepticon on December 11th, 2013 @ 9:07am CST
Sabrblade wrote:Isn't the fact that they remade the Predacons to be as far and different from the Beast Wars iteration as possible sort of a clue that there might not be a Beast Era analog?Ω Sentinel ζ Prime wrote:Well given Aligned's mandate is to be a kind of "All-Star" panoply of past continuity, it'd be amiss for a Beast Era analog NOT to occur.
Not at all. That could have been the onset of the beast era.
Re: Video Review - Transformers: The Covenant of Primus (1534510)
Posted by Sabrblade on December 11th, 2013 @ 11:41am CST
The Predacons of the Beast Era, however, were the future descendants of the Decepticons who were normal, ordinary Cybertronians at human size. Only a select few actually turned into animals (because of their scanning them on other worlds), while the mass population had standard Cybertronian altmodes.
There's also a difference between insignia designs.
Posted by Sabrblade on December 11th, 2013 @ 11:41am CST
But the Predacons of the Aligned Continuity were an ancient race of non-transforming Cybertronian dragons who all died and went extinct in the Great Cataclysm prior to the age of standard Cybertronians (who would become the Autobots and Decepticons).Asepticon wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Isn't the fact that they remade the Predacons to be as far and different from the Beast Wars iteration as possible sort of a clue that there might not be a Beast Era analog?Ω Sentinel ζ Prime wrote:Well given Aligned's mandate is to be a kind of "All-Star" panoply of past continuity, it'd be amiss for a Beast Era analog NOT to occur.
Not at all. That could have been the onset of the beast era.
The Predacons of the Beast Era, however, were the future descendants of the Decepticons who were normal, ordinary Cybertronians at human size. Only a select few actually turned into animals (because of their scanning them on other worlds), while the mass population had standard Cybertronian altmodes.
There's also a difference between insignia designs.
Re: Video Review - Transformers: The Covenant of Primus (1534540)
Posted by Dead Metal on December 11th, 2013 @ 1:28pm CST
No, I think you're not really getting what he means, I believe he means the prophecies that where mentioned and kinda a big deal in BW.
The ones that Megatron and Primal quote to each other while they battle. You know the "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, bla bla bla And you shall know that my name is MEGATRON!"
That stuff, which I believe will be in this, since it's been now established that the Megatron from the Covenant is Megatronus, AKA The Fallen. IT would make sense, since that was part of the reason for the 13 retcon to include Megatronus Prime as being The Fallen's original name.
Posted by Dead Metal on December 11th, 2013 @ 1:28pm CST
Sabrblade wrote:But the Predacons of the Aligned Continuity were an ancient race of non-transforming Cybertronian dragons who all died and went extinct in the Great Cataclysm prior to the age of standard Cybertronians (who would become the Autobots and Decepticons).Asepticon wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Isn't the fact that they remade the Predacons to be as far and different from the Beast Wars iteration as possible sort of a clue that there might not be a Beast Era analog?Ω Sentinel ζ Prime wrote:Well given Aligned's mandate is to be a kind of "All-Star" panoply of past continuity, it'd be amiss for a Beast Era analog NOT to occur.
Not at all. That could have been the onset of the beast era.
The Predacons of the Beast Era, however, were the future descendants of the Decepticons who were normal, ordinary Cybertronians at human size. Only a select few actually turned into animals (because of their scanning them on other worlds), while the mass population had standard Cybertronian altmodes.
There's also a difference between insignia designs.
No, I think you're not really getting what he means, I believe he means the prophecies that where mentioned and kinda a big deal in BW.
The ones that Megatron and Primal quote to each other while they battle. You know the "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, bla bla bla And you shall know that my name is MEGATRON!"
That stuff, which I believe will be in this, since it's been now established that the Megatron from the Covenant is Megatronus, AKA The Fallen. IT would make sense, since that was part of the reason for the 13 retcon to include Megatronus Prime as being The Fallen's original name.
Re: Video Review - Transformers: The Covenant of Primus (1534545)
Posted by ? Sentinel ? Prime on December 11th, 2013 @ 2:02pm CST
No more as far and different than the Beast Era Predacons were from the Original Ones.
In any case Optimus is the Thirteen Prime.
Could anyone with the book pleas explain to me how that works?
Posted by ? Sentinel ? Prime on December 11th, 2013 @ 2:02pm CST
Sabrblade wrote:Isn't the fact that they remade the Predacons to be as far and different from the Beast Wars iteration as possible sort of a clue that there might not be a Beast Era analog?Ω Sentinel ζ Prime wrote:Well given Aligned's mandate is to be a kind of "All-Star" panoply of past continuity, it'd be amiss for a Beast Era analog NOT to occur.
No more as far and different than the Beast Era Predacons were from the Original Ones.
In any case Optimus is the Thirteen Prime.
Could anyone with the book pleas explain to me how that works?
Re: Video Review - Transformers: The Covenant of Primus (1534558)
Posted by Asepticon on December 11th, 2013 @ 2:35pm CST
Posted by Asepticon on December 11th, 2013 @ 2:35pm CST
Ok, got it in the mail and haven't started reading yet but did want to mention that my wall mount won't lock shut so I can't hang it up or else the bottom part falls open. Anybody else have this problem?
Re: Video Review - Transformers: The Covenant of Primus (1534567)
Posted by ? Sentinel ? Prime on December 11th, 2013 @ 3:11pm CST
Posted by ? Sentinel ? Prime on December 11th, 2013 @ 3:11pm CST
The crappy case has been pointed out on Amazon.
A question, does it explain how Optimus is the Thirteenth Prime?
A question, does it explain how Optimus is the Thirteenth Prime?
Re: Video Review - Transformers: The Covenant of Primus (1534568)
Posted by Dead Metal on December 11th, 2013 @ 3:19pm CST
Thanks for the spoiler, so much better than getting my copy in hand and finding that out by reading it in the book I bought.
Posted by Dead Metal on December 11th, 2013 @ 3:19pm CST
Ω Sentinel ζ Prime wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Isn't the fact that they remade the Predacons to be as far and different from the Beast Wars iteration as possible sort of a clue that there might not be a Beast Era analog?Ω Sentinel ζ Prime wrote:Well given Aligned's mandate is to be a kind of "All-Star" panoply of past continuity, it'd be amiss for a Beast Era analog NOT to occur.
No more as far and different than the Beast Era Predacons were from the Original Ones.
In any case Optimus is the Thirteen Prime.
Could anyone with the book pleas explain to me how that works?
Thanks for the spoiler, so much better than getting my copy in hand and finding that out by reading it in the book I bought.
Re: Video Review - Transformers: The Covenant of Primus (1534596)
Posted by Sodan-1 on December 11th, 2013 @ 4:50pm CST
You know, the site does have a spoiler option. You might want to consider using it next time, please.
On that note could everyone please make sure they're using the spoiler option where appropriate? Also if anyone cracks the code, can we keep the method hidden for those that may want to try figuring it out for themselves? My shipping email said I shouldn't expect my copy before Christmas.
Flippin' newbs gotta spoil things for everyone, right?
Posted by Sodan-1 on December 11th, 2013 @ 4:50pm CST
Ω Sentinel ζ Prime wrote:In any case Optimus is the Thirteen Prime.
Could anyone with the book pleas explain to me how that works?
You know, the site does have a spoiler option. You might want to consider using it next time, please.
On that note could everyone please make sure they're using the spoiler option where appropriate? Also if anyone cracks the code, can we keep the method hidden for those that may want to try figuring it out for themselves? My shipping email said I shouldn't expect my copy before Christmas.
Dead Metal wrote:Thanks for the spoiler, so much better than getting my copy in hand and finding that out by reading it in the book I bought.
Flippin' newbs gotta spoil things for everyone, right?
Re: Video Review - Transformers: The Covenant of Primus (1534600)
Posted by Noideaforaname on December 11th, 2013 @ 5:20pm CST
Posted by Noideaforaname on December 11th, 2013 @ 5:20pm CST
Since flippin' Optimus is a member of the Thirteen somehow, I don't think it's impossible for there to be both an ancient breed of Transformers called Predacons and a future breed of Transformers called Predacons both running around prehistoric Earth. Somehow. Stupid, yes, but this whole aligned garbage is stupid.
Boy, and I thought "Megatron-us" was stupid.
Boy, and I thought "Megatron-us" was stupid.
Re: Video Review - Transformers: The Covenant of Primus (1534603)
Posted by xyl360 on December 11th, 2013 @ 5:43pm CST
Pretty much this, although perhaps the word "stupid" is a little harsh.
I haven't read any of the comics and such but I figured out who the 13th was as soon as it was mentioned that it was a "mystery" in this thread. I guess it would have been more difficult to figure out if I'd actually read the books? (seems counterintuitive, but OK, whatever).
Posted by xyl360 on December 11th, 2013 @ 5:43pm CST
Noideaforaname wrote:Since flippin' Optimus is a member of the Thirteen somehow, I don't think it's impossible for there to be both an ancient breed of Transformers called Predacons and a future breed of Transformers called Predacons both running around prehistoric Earth. Somehow. Stupid, yes, but this whole aligned garbage is stupid.
Boy, and I thought "Megatron-us" was stupid.
Pretty much this, although perhaps the word "stupid" is a little harsh.
I haven't read any of the comics and such but I figured out who the 13th was as soon as it was mentioned that it was a "mystery" in this thread. I guess it would have been more difficult to figure out if I'd actually read the books? (seems counterintuitive, but OK, whatever).
Re: Video Review - Transformers: The Covenant of Primus (1534668)
Posted by Sabrblade on December 11th, 2013 @ 11:55pm CST
I know there was some speculation of that that people were making back in the day, but after all we've come to get out of this, it's pretty clear that this isn't the same Covenant of Primus book as the one from the BW cartoon (especially since the two have differing natures).
BTW, there's no "Prime" in Megatronus' name.
Posted by Sabrblade on December 11th, 2013 @ 11:55pm CST
Wait, what? When was it confirmed that the Megatron of myth was Megatronus?Dead Metal wrote:That stuff, which I believe will be in this, since it's been now established that the Megatron from the Covenant is Megatronus, AKA The Fallen. IT would make sense, since that was part of the reason for the 13 retcon to include Megatronus Prime as being The Fallen's original name.
I know there was some speculation of that that people were making back in the day, but after all we've come to get out of this, it's pretty clear that this isn't the same Covenant of Primus book as the one from the BW cartoon (especially since the two have differing natures).
BTW, there's no "Prime" in Megatronus' name.
Re: Video Review - Transformers: The Covenant of Primus (1534796)
Posted by VioMeTriX on December 12th, 2013 @ 1:56pm CST
mine did it too.... put two strips of scotch tape from bottom to back (youll never see it) and voila, all fixed
Posted by VioMeTriX on December 12th, 2013 @ 1:56pm CST
Asepticon wrote:Ok, got it in the mail and haven't started reading yet but did want to mention that my wall mount won't lock shut so I can't hang it up or else the bottom part falls open. Anybody else have this problem?
mine did it too.... put two strips of scotch tape from bottom to back (youll never see it) and voila, all fixed
Re: Video Review - Transformers: The Covenant of Primus (1534803)
Posted by Sabrblade on December 12th, 2013 @ 2:45pm CST
Posted by Sabrblade on December 12th, 2013 @ 2:45pm CST
IT CAME! IT FINALLY CAME!
Re: Video Review - Transformers: The Covenant of Primus (1534866)
Posted by Avensis-Mahiya on December 12th, 2013 @ 9:59pm CST
Posted by Avensis-Mahiya on December 12th, 2013 @ 9:59pm CST
I'm getting my copy for Christmas so I'm trying desperately to reserve any judgment, but the Aligned continuity is such a joke that I very well may take the Covenant of Primus with the same grains of salt as the rest of it.
I'm just going to make up my own continuity then.
I'm just going to make up my own continuity then.
Re: Video Review - Transformers: The Covenant of Primus (1534883)
Posted by Asepticon on December 12th, 2013 @ 11:10pm CST
Posted by Asepticon on December 12th, 2013 @ 11:10pm CST
Still a good read. Just not the fan candy I was hoping for. Sigh.
Re: Video Review - Transformers: The Covenant of Primus (1534943)
Posted by VioMeTriX on December 13th, 2013 @ 8:04am CST
Posted by VioMeTriX on December 13th, 2013 @ 8:04am CST
yeah im not very happy with it either.... much history is lost in this new aligned continuity.
Re: Video Review - Transformers: The Covenant of Primus (1534967)
Posted by ? Sentinel ? Prime on December 13th, 2013 @ 10:02am CST
Posted by ? Sentinel ? Prime on December 13th, 2013 @ 10:02am CST
A lot of folks here seem to dislike the Aligned Continuity family. Any reason why? Doesn't seem to have any more inconsistances than any other Continuity Family.
Re: Video Review - Transformers: The Covenant of Primus (1534982)
Posted by Sabrblade on December 13th, 2013 @ 10:58am CST
And lot of folks also don't like the aesthetic influence the Prime cartoon (and the continuity as a whole) took from the movies (and from Animated).
And, there's still a small minority who are still a little butthurt over Animated being canceled in favor of this, when there were plans for a fourth season already in development, but got scrapped because of TF: Prime's forthcoming arrival.
And a big thing regarding the inconsistencies is how Hasbro promised that all of this continuity would fit together and make sense as one whole, when just the sheer number of inconsistencies continues to contradict that again and again.
Posted by Sabrblade on December 13th, 2013 @ 10:58am CST
My guess is that the seed of it all began with the confirmation that the WFC video game was part of this continuity, when so many wanted badly for that game either to be its own thing or to a G1 game.Ω Sentinel ζ Prime wrote:A lot of folks here seem to dislike the Aligned Continuity family. Any reason why? Doesn't seem to have any more inconsistances than any other Continuity Family.
And lot of folks also don't like the aesthetic influence the Prime cartoon (and the continuity as a whole) took from the movies (and from Animated).
And, there's still a small minority who are still a little butthurt over Animated being canceled in favor of this, when there were plans for a fourth season already in development, but got scrapped because of TF: Prime's forthcoming arrival.
And a big thing regarding the inconsistencies is how Hasbro promised that all of this continuity would fit together and make sense as one whole, when just the sheer number of inconsistencies continues to contradict that again and again.
Re: Video Review - Transformers: The Covenant of Primus (1535003)
Posted by Sabrblade on December 13th, 2013 @ 12:25pm CST
The letters A through Z written in this language, courtesy of Rescue Bots episode 13:
Full size
Using this, we can match the letters seen on on this screen with those seen on the page above.
Sorry about the smallness of the letters, though, as they were already tiny to begin with. This could take some squinting.
Posted by Sabrblade on December 13th, 2013 @ 12:25pm CST
Houston, we have a decoder!Mindmaster wrote:
Sabrblade! JelZe! We need you!
The letters A through Z written in this language, courtesy of Rescue Bots episode 13:
Full size
Using this, we can match the letters seen on on this screen with those seen on the page above.
Sorry about the smallness of the letters, though, as they were already tiny to begin with. This could take some squinting.
Re: Video Review - Transformers: The Covenant of Primus (1535320)
Posted by kaijuguy19 on December 14th, 2013 @ 7:24pm CST
I should also say that the big reason why people hate the Aligned Continuity in all of it's forms is that they say that it's just a unoriginal,uninspiring,and did nothing to make itself stand out from the past series not to mention that they accuse the writing on this book to be written by an immature 12 year old who fails to grasp what makes the ideas it's homaging great to begin with. In short they said it did nothing better then the past series period.
Posted by kaijuguy19 on December 14th, 2013 @ 7:24pm CST
Sabrblade wrote:My guess is that the seed of it all began with the confirmation that the WFC video game was part of this continuity, when so many wanted badly for that game either to be its own thing or to a G1 game.Ω Sentinel ζ Prime wrote:A lot of folks here seem to dislike the Aligned Continuity family. Any reason why? Doesn't seem to have any more inconsistances than any other Continuity Family.
And lot of folks also don't like the aesthetic influence the Prime cartoon (and the continuity as a whole) took from the movies (and from Animated).
And, there's still a small minority who are still a little butthurt over Animated being canceled in favor of this, when there were plans for a fourth season already in development, but got scrapped because of TF: Prime's forthcoming arrival.
And a big thing regarding the inconsistencies is how Hasbro promised that all of this continuity would fit together and make sense as one whole, when just the sheer number of inconsistencies continues to contradict that again and again.
I should also say that the big reason why people hate the Aligned Continuity in all of it's forms is that they say that it's just a unoriginal,uninspiring,and did nothing to make itself stand out from the past series not to mention that they accuse the writing on this book to be written by an immature 12 year old who fails to grasp what makes the ideas it's homaging great to begin with. In short they said it did nothing better then the past series period.
Re: Video Review - Transformers: The Covenant of Primus (1535445)
Posted by ? Sentinel ? Prime on December 15th, 2013 @ 9:57am CST
Posted by ? Sentinel ? Prime on December 15th, 2013 @ 9:57am CST
I disagree.
In other news. tformers put up some better samples for anyone who may want them
http://tformers.com/ig.php?mode=album&d ... -of-primus
tldr
Prima is a jerk, and Maximo and Quintus seem to have created the Transformers.
(Megatronus reminds me of Original Shredder from TMNT a bit here)
Also the idea that the farther along in the sequence the less "Primus like" they are.
So it goes
Prima
Vector Prime
Alpha Trion
Solus Prime
Micronus Prime
Nexus Prime
Onyx Prime
Amalgamous Prime
Quintus Prime
Liege Maximo
Megatronus
The Thirteenth
In other news. tformers put up some better samples for anyone who may want them
http://tformers.com/ig.php?mode=album&d ... -of-primus
tldr
Prima is a jerk, and Maximo and Quintus seem to have created the Transformers.
(Megatronus reminds me of Original Shredder from TMNT a bit here)
Also the idea that the farther along in the sequence the less "Primus like" they are.
So it goes
Prima
Vector Prime
Alpha Trion
Solus Prime
Micronus Prime
Nexus Prime
Onyx Prime
Amalgamous Prime
Quintus Prime
Liege Maximo
Megatronus
The Thirteenth
Re: Video Review - Transformers: The Covenant of Primus (1535478)
Posted by Mindmaster on December 15th, 2013 @ 1:47pm CST
Posted by Mindmaster on December 15th, 2013 @ 1:47pm CST
So are we still trying to decode the last page?
Because I found this...
Because I found this...
Re: Video Review - Transformers: The Covenant of Primus (1535482)
Posted by Va'al on December 15th, 2013 @ 2:20pm CST
Posted by Va'al on December 15th, 2013 @ 2:20pm CST
Not the right code, I'm afraid. Sabrblade posted the correct one earlier, as it features in a Rescue Bots scene.
Re: Video Review - Transformers: The Covenant of Primus (1535485)
Posted by Sabrblade on December 15th, 2013 @ 2:28pm CST
The first is "Ancient Autobot", created by Jim Sorenson and derived from the text seen in the G1 cartoon episode "Cosmic Rust".
The second is "Decepticon Graffiti", also created by Jim Sorenson, and derived from the graffiti seen in the G1 Marvel comic issue "Decepticon Graffiti!"
The language seen in this book originated in Aligned Continuity media. The following is the letters A to Z written in this language text:
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Posted by Sabrblade on December 15th, 2013 @ 2:28pm CST
Which they took from the preview pages on Amazon.com.Ω Sentinel ζ Prime wrote:In other news. tformers put up some better samples for anyone who may want them
http://tformers.com/ig.php?mode=album&d ... -of-primus
They did not.Ω Sentinel ζ Prime wrote:and Maximo and Quintus seem to have created the Transformers.
With Thirteen being the sole exception to that.Ω Sentinel ζ Prime wrote:Also the idea that the farther along in the sequence the less "Primus like" they are.
Those are the wrong languages.Mindmaster wrote:So are we still trying to decode the last page?
Because I found this...
The first is "Ancient Autobot", created by Jim Sorenson and derived from the text seen in the G1 cartoon episode "Cosmic Rust".
The second is "Decepticon Graffiti", also created by Jim Sorenson, and derived from the graffiti seen in the G1 Marvel comic issue "Decepticon Graffiti!"
The language seen in this book originated in Aligned Continuity media. The following is the letters A to Z written in this language text:
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Re: Video Review - Transformers: The Covenant of Primus (1535517)
Posted by ? Sentinel ? Prime on December 15th, 2013 @ 4:34pm CST
Posted by ? Sentinel ? Prime on December 15th, 2013 @ 4:34pm CST
You got the book Sabr?
Cool! Could you please elaborate on the "Farm" subplot and where it goes.
Thank you.
Cool! Could you please elaborate on the "Farm" subplot and where it goes.
Thank you.
Re: Video Review - Transformers: The Covenant of Primus (1535543)
Posted by Sabrblade on December 15th, 2013 @ 6:30pm CST
Then again, I've only just recently reached chapter 5, so there's still a lot more reading for me to do.
Posted by Sabrblade on December 15th, 2013 @ 6:30pm CST
In short, it goes nowhere. All it results in is a scuffle that has all the creatures and Maximo killed in the crossfire, and Onyx mortally wounded. I still have no idea what the point of it was.Ω Sentinel ζ Prime wrote:You got the book Sabr?
Cool! Could you please elaborate on the "Farm" subplot and where it goes.
Thank you.
Then again, I've only just recently reached chapter 5, so there's still a lot more reading for me to do.
Re: Video Review - Transformers: The Covenant of Primus (1535547)
Posted by ? Sentinel ? Prime on December 15th, 2013 @ 7:00pm CST
Posted by ? Sentinel ? Prime on December 15th, 2013 @ 7:00pm CST
So if Maximo was killed, than does he just not do anything in Aligned?
Also big question.
The 13 are the "archetypes" of Transformers. Beasts, minicons, females(*sigh*) etc.
But how does that work? I'm assuming it's not Direct 'Descent' given some died before the modern Tf race rose.
Does Primus just only know how to make 13 kinds of robots?
Also big question.
The 13 are the "archetypes" of Transformers. Beasts, minicons, females(*sigh*) etc.
But how does that work? I'm assuming it's not Direct 'Descent' given some died before the modern Tf race rose.
Does Primus just only know how to make 13 kinds of robots?
Re: Video Review - Transformers: The Covenant of Primus (1536254)
Posted by Avensis-Mahiya on December 18th, 2013 @ 2:46pm CST
That's the biggest problem I have with Aligned. It's all over the place and doesn't really seem to know what it's doing or where it's going. For me that's sloppy and not acceptable.
Posted by Avensis-Mahiya on December 18th, 2013 @ 2:46pm CST
Sabrblade wrote:And a big thing regarding the inconsistencies is how Hasbro promised that all of this continuity would fit together and make sense as one whole, when just the sheer number of inconsistencies continues to contradict that again and again.
That's the biggest problem I have with Aligned. It's all over the place and doesn't really seem to know what it's doing or where it's going. For me that's sloppy and not acceptable.
Re: Video Review - Transformers: The Covenant of Primus (1536264)
Posted by Sabrblade on December 18th, 2013 @ 3:42pm CST
Posted by Sabrblade on December 18th, 2013 @ 3:42pm CST
As of last night, I have finished reading this book.
Re: Video Review - Transformers: The Covenant of Primus (1536265)
Posted by Mindmaster on December 18th, 2013 @ 3:44pm CST
Anything worth noting? Or perhaps a brief summary?
Posted by Mindmaster on December 18th, 2013 @ 3:44pm CST
Sabrblade wrote:I have finished reading this book.
Anything worth noting? Or perhaps a brief summary?
Re: Video Review - Transformers: The Covenant of Primus (1536268)
Posted by Sabrblade on December 18th, 2013 @ 3:54pm CST
Posted by Sabrblade on December 18th, 2013 @ 3:54pm CST
The Good:
- We get a near-complete general overview of a history largely untold, spanning the very beginning to all that is known in the present ("Predacons Rising"), with some fascinating concepts thrown into the mix (among others not-so-fascinating, but we'll get there).
- The artwork is GORGEOUS. Easily the best part about this thing.
- We're actually given insight into Megatron's reasoning for his decision to stop pursuing a life of villainy as seen in "Predacons Rising". There's an entire section that reveals what all was going on through Megatron's mind as he was recovering from the eternal torture Unicron inflicted upon him.
- Some of the 13 Primes are quite decent dudes with interesting traits and abilities. Liege Maximo, despite being a schemer, is straight up Tom Hiddleston's Loki and was an entertaining character before his downfall.
- Revelations to some unanswered questions were given, such as the identity of the dead Prime Megatron stole the arm of in TF: Prime, what happened to the Predacons in the past, why Thundertron hates Cybertronians, what brought about the end of the Golden Age, and more.
- Some small bits of humor were subtly inserted and added a nice touch.
- Despite his newly-revealed heritage, Orion Pax is still a very likable character, with his portrayal evocative of how he was in both the Exodus novel and the "Orion Pax" three-part episode of the Prime cartoon.
- New characters with all new names are given prominent positions and authorities, instead of relegating all the important things to characters of existing names.
And the not-so-good:
- The mistreatment of Solus Prime as a character.
- Making Optimus Prime be one of the 13 Primes.
- The War of the Primes was less of a war and more just petty disagreements.
- Prima was a pompous, arrogant jerk.
- Megatronus contrary to all expectations, did not turn evil, but instead was just bitter and petty. His becoming "The Fallen" was barely anything at all. There was no metamorphosis or anything of the sort. He just declared himself that after feeling guilty about his bad behavior (yeah, the guy who represented evil was given a conscious). And his leaving the others was done on good terms, with him willingly surrendering the Requiem Blaster to the others and him wanting to go out and help other races in the cosmos for their benefit. So... why does everything else pertaining to The Fallen paint him up as this super dark embodiment of all things evil like Unicron if they ultimately didn't go that route for him?
- The fates of several of the Primes are never given. The book just stops mentioning them at some point until Alpha Trion and Optimus speak of them later as though they no longer exist.
- Continuity Snarls and inconsistencies with EVERYTHING in the Aligned Continuity.Seriously, it's like they didn't even bother to look back at any of the games, novels, cartoons, or comics that had come before this, and were instead just playing this by memory. They get most of the events of each right, but they're either in the wrong chronological order, or retconned into being false, or just flat out contradicted altogether.
The caste system exists long before the Golden Age as a product of the Quintessons' rule instead of marking the end of the Golden Age.
The whole of Fall of Cybertron (comics and game) is pretty much reworked entirely, with the Dinobots' backstory being redone outside of the one fact that Shockwave rebuilt the Light Strike Coalition, and with Metroplex given an entirely different role and set of circumstances from how he appeared in the game.
Even the Prime cartoon gets contradicted by claiming that the Nemesis crashed into Earth right after "Darkness Rising" and Unicron was awoken by the constant use of space bridge/GroundBridge technology and relic hunts (which hadn't happened yet outside of two or three cases) instead of by the planetary alignment. Prowl, who never appeared in the cartoon, is also mentioned as being among the Autobots seen in the "Predacons Rising" events. Optimus also doesn't know when, why, and how there are dead Cybertronians on Earth even though he was the one who explained all that in the show.
- Some of the artwork was inconsistent with existing fiction.We see Optimus and Bumblebee in their Binder bodies and Ratchet in his WFC body in artwork pertaining to Earth-based events from TF: Prime episodes. And we see some cases of character in Earthen bodies during the ancient past on Cybertron.
The book even contradicts itself at points, like saying at one point that the Iacon Relics were launched during the Great War, then later saying they were launched during the Golden Age.
- A few spelling/grammar errors, but I think I only spotted four of these, so this is a very minor thing.
- Some things were still not explained or just overlooked.Namely, despite the chapter being titled "Earthfall" we get no more than two sentences of events that took place on Earth prior to the Autobots making their first contact with humanity. The section almost immediately jumps right into the events of the Prime cartoon, skipping entirely over the first three years that the TFs were on Earth (a period that goes unmentioned here itself, even). The Predaclones that were cloned during the war, and then sent to ancient Earth, are also not mentioned.
Of all things, the 15-page excerpt from the Covenant of Primus that was included in the Exodus novel is also not in the Covenant of Primus. Go figure.
Final verdict: Eh, it's like a typical Transformers novel. There was an attempt, but the end result is flawed. I don't regret reading it, but it could have been so much more than it was. C-
- We get a near-complete general overview of a history largely untold, spanning the very beginning to all that is known in the present ("Predacons Rising"), with some fascinating concepts thrown into the mix (among others not-so-fascinating, but we'll get there).
- The artwork is GORGEOUS. Easily the best part about this thing.
- We're actually given insight into Megatron's reasoning for his decision to stop pursuing a life of villainy as seen in "Predacons Rising". There's an entire section that reveals what all was going on through Megatron's mind as he was recovering from the eternal torture Unicron inflicted upon him.
- Some of the 13 Primes are quite decent dudes with interesting traits and abilities. Liege Maximo, despite being a schemer, is straight up Tom Hiddleston's Loki and was an entertaining character before his downfall.
- Revelations to some unanswered questions were given, such as the identity of the dead Prime Megatron stole the arm of in TF: Prime, what happened to the Predacons in the past, why Thundertron hates Cybertronians, what brought about the end of the Golden Age, and more.
- Some small bits of humor were subtly inserted and added a nice touch.
- Despite his newly-revealed heritage, Orion Pax is still a very likable character, with his portrayal evocative of how he was in both the Exodus novel and the "Orion Pax" three-part episode of the Prime cartoon.
- New characters with all new names are given prominent positions and authorities, instead of relegating all the important things to characters of existing names.
And the not-so-good:
- The mistreatment of Solus Prime as a character.
- Making Optimus Prime be one of the 13 Primes.
- The War of the Primes was less of a war and more just petty disagreements.
- Prima was a pompous, arrogant jerk.
- Megatronus contrary to all expectations, did not turn evil, but instead was just bitter and petty. His becoming "The Fallen" was barely anything at all. There was no metamorphosis or anything of the sort. He just declared himself that after feeling guilty about his bad behavior (yeah, the guy who represented evil was given a conscious). And his leaving the others was done on good terms, with him willingly surrendering the Requiem Blaster to the others and him wanting to go out and help other races in the cosmos for their benefit. So... why does everything else pertaining to The Fallen paint him up as this super dark embodiment of all things evil like Unicron if they ultimately didn't go that route for him?
- The fates of several of the Primes are never given. The book just stops mentioning them at some point until Alpha Trion and Optimus speak of them later as though they no longer exist.
- Continuity Snarls and inconsistencies with EVERYTHING in the Aligned Continuity.Seriously, it's like they didn't even bother to look back at any of the games, novels, cartoons, or comics that had come before this, and were instead just playing this by memory. They get most of the events of each right, but they're either in the wrong chronological order, or retconned into being false, or just flat out contradicted altogether.
The caste system exists long before the Golden Age as a product of the Quintessons' rule instead of marking the end of the Golden Age.
The whole of Fall of Cybertron (comics and game) is pretty much reworked entirely, with the Dinobots' backstory being redone outside of the one fact that Shockwave rebuilt the Light Strike Coalition, and with Metroplex given an entirely different role and set of circumstances from how he appeared in the game.
Even the Prime cartoon gets contradicted by claiming that the Nemesis crashed into Earth right after "Darkness Rising" and Unicron was awoken by the constant use of space bridge/GroundBridge technology and relic hunts (which hadn't happened yet outside of two or three cases) instead of by the planetary alignment. Prowl, who never appeared in the cartoon, is also mentioned as being among the Autobots seen in the "Predacons Rising" events. Optimus also doesn't know when, why, and how there are dead Cybertronians on Earth even though he was the one who explained all that in the show.
- Some of the artwork was inconsistent with existing fiction.We see Optimus and Bumblebee in their Binder bodies and Ratchet in his WFC body in artwork pertaining to Earth-based events from TF: Prime episodes. And we see some cases of character in Earthen bodies during the ancient past on Cybertron.
The book even contradicts itself at points, like saying at one point that the Iacon Relics were launched during the Great War, then later saying they were launched during the Golden Age.
- A few spelling/grammar errors, but I think I only spotted four of these, so this is a very minor thing.
- Some things were still not explained or just overlooked.Namely, despite the chapter being titled "Earthfall" we get no more than two sentences of events that took place on Earth prior to the Autobots making their first contact with humanity. The section almost immediately jumps right into the events of the Prime cartoon, skipping entirely over the first three years that the TFs were on Earth (a period that goes unmentioned here itself, even). The Predaclones that were cloned during the war, and then sent to ancient Earth, are also not mentioned.
Of all things, the 15-page excerpt from the Covenant of Primus that was included in the Exodus novel is also not in the Covenant of Primus. Go figure.
Final verdict: Eh, it's like a typical Transformers novel. There was an attempt, but the end result is flawed. I don't regret reading it, but it could have been so much more than it was. C-
Re: Video Review - Transformers: The Covenant of Primus (1536269)
Posted by Mindmaster on December 18th, 2013 @ 4:00pm CST
Mind if you elaborate on that? That's the one thing that stood out the most to me when reading your report.
Posted by Mindmaster on December 18th, 2013 @ 4:00pm CST
Sabrblade wrote:- We're actually given insight into Megatron's reasoning for his decision to stop pursuing a life of villainy as seen in "Predacons Rising". There's an entire section that reveals what all was going on through Megatron's mind as he was recovering from the eternal torture Unicron inflicted upon him.
Mind if you elaborate on that? That's the one thing that stood out the most to me when reading your report.
Re: Video Review - Transformers: The Covenant of Primus (1536270)
Posted by Avensis-Mahiya on December 18th, 2013 @ 4:07pm CST
Posted by Avensis-Mahiya on December 18th, 2013 @ 4:07pm CST
Aaaauuuuughhh...Hasbro, why?
Seriously? Why? Make up your damn minds as to what happens and stick to it. Fourteen year olds write fanfiction with better consistency.
This isn't good. It's shoddy.
Still getting it. Still reading it. Still bracing myself for incoming stupid.
Seriously? Why? Make up your damn minds as to what happens and stick to it. Fourteen year olds write fanfiction with better consistency.
This isn't good. It's shoddy.
Still getting it. Still reading it. Still bracing myself for incoming stupid.
Re: Video Review - Transformers: The Covenant of Primus (1536271)
Posted by Sabrblade on December 18th, 2013 @ 4:10pm CST
Posted by Sabrblade on December 18th, 2013 @ 4:10pm CST
He pretty much looks back on and evaluates his whole life up until that point, remembering how unfair he used to think life was back when he was a miner, feeling the oppression of the caste system and the stagnation of Cybertronian life, and came to realize that all that he had hoped to accomplish, despite having convinced himself that it was for the greater benefit of everyone, was nothing more than fuel for his own vanity. All the tyranny and conquests and missions of power and glory he had striven for all his life, nothing but a fool's vanity. His being used as Unicron's puppet and plaything brought him to the reality of what true oppression feels like, far outweighing any of the misery he suffered back when he was just "D-16".He hated it now just as he did then, but the difference now was that he now saw that he had become the very monster he despised so much, and wanted out. He finally understood what Optimus, what Orion Pax had said all those millennia ago back when they stood before the High Council: "There can be no true peace through tyranny."Mindmaster wrote:Sabrblade wrote:- We're actually given insight into Megatron's reasoning for his decision to stop pursuing a life of villainy as seen in "Predacons Rising". There's an entire section that reveals what all was going on through Megatron's mind as he was recovering from the eternal torture Unicron inflicted upon him.
Mind if you elaborate on that? That's the one thing that stood out the most to me when reading your report.
Re: Video Review - Transformers: The Covenant of Primus (1536274)
Posted by Mindmaster on December 18th, 2013 @ 4:27pm CST
Deeper than the Marianas Trench.
Thanks for sharing!
Posted by Mindmaster on December 18th, 2013 @ 4:27pm CST
Sabrblade wrote:He pretty much looks back on and evaluates his whole life up until that point, remembering how unfair he used to think life was back when he was a miner, feeling the oppression of the caste system and the stagnation of Cybertronian life, and came to realize that all that he had hoped to accomplish, despite having convinced himself that it was for the greater benefit of everyone, was nothing more than fuel for his own vanity. All the tyranny and conquests and missions of power and glory he had striven for all his life, nothing but a fool's vanity. His being used as Unicron's puppet and plaything brought him to the reality of what true oppression feels like, far outweighing any of the misery he suffered back when he was just "D-16".He hated it now just as he did then, but the difference now was that he now saw that he had become the very monster he despised so much, and wanted out. He finally understood what Optimus, what Orion Pax had said all those millennia ago back when they stood before the High Council: "There can be no true peace through tyranny."Mindmaster wrote:Sabrblade wrote:- We're actually given insight into Megatron's reasoning for his decision to stop pursuing a life of villainy as seen in "Predacons Rising". There's an entire section that reveals what all was going on through Megatron's mind as he was recovering from the eternal torture Unicron inflicted upon him.
Mind if you elaborate on that? That's the one thing that stood out the most to me when reading your report.
Deeper than the Marianas Trench.
Thanks for sharing!
Re: Video Review - Transformers: The Covenant of Primus (1536277)
Posted by Sabrblade on December 18th, 2013 @ 4:30pm CST
Posted by Sabrblade on December 18th, 2013 @ 4:30pm CST
In other words, pretty much everything we as fans took from that scene.
Only things that were new to me in his reflection were his flashbacks to his being a miner and signing up for his first gladiatorial match, registering with the name "Megatronus".
Only things that were new to me in his reflection were his flashbacks to his being a miner and signing up for his first gladiatorial match, registering with the name "Megatronus".
