Video Review of Transformers Titans Return Titan Master Sawback

Lion heads EVERYWHERE

Sawback really doesn't want to give up being the mane, does he?

Decepticon Stryker wrote:

ebo716 wrote:So I have a random idea. I think we will get two heads for overlord but one will be a titan master set with the horri bull vehicle called gigatron

That sounds like a great idea.

I agree, but the names will pose a problem. "Overlord" has been used for Europe and Japan, but the US uses "Powermaster Gigatron" (HoC PVC Figurine) or just "Gigatron" (BotCon 2012) instead, suggesting "Overlord" can't be acquired as a trademark.

Is it me, or does the lion mode look really similar to Stripes? And by that I mean the two fins in the back sticking upward, not the fact that they're both giant cats.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Decepticon Stryker wrote:

ebo716 wrote:So I have a random idea. I think we will get two heads for overlord but one will be a titan master set with the horri bull vehicle called gigatron

That sounds like a great idea.

I agree, but the names will pose a problem. "Overlord" has been used for Europe and Japan, but the US uses "Powermaster Gigatron" (HoC PVC Figurine) or just "Gigatron" (BotCon 2012) instead, suggesting "Overlord" can't be acquired as a trademark.

Easy but stupid sounding fix: One Titanmaster is named "Over", and the other is named "Lord". Though it doesn't matter to me what they call him. I'll call him Overlord like how I call Fellbat, Dezaras, and Ironbison by their respective names. It's my figures, I can call them what I want. Except for Twinferno. When I get him (hopefully), he's keeping his name because it is awesome. Sorry, typo there. I meant to say: TWINFERNO

Decepticon Stryker wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Decepticon Stryker wrote:

ebo716 wrote:So I have a random idea. I think we will get two heads for overlord but one will be a titan master set with the horri bull vehicle called gigatron

That sounds like a great idea.

I agree, but the names will pose a problem. "Overlord" has been used for Europe and Japan, but the US uses "Powermaster Gigatron" (HoC PVC Figurine) or just "Gigatron" (BotCon 2012) instead, suggesting "Overlord" can't be acquired as a trademark.

Easy but stupid sounding fix: One Titanmaster is named "Over", and the other is named "Lord".

Too short and generic Though if Hasbro did manage to get "Overlord" trademark, we can get "Gigatron" and "Megabolt" for the Titan Masters.

You know, I think that's the reason why the female Mega was the template and not the male Giga. "Megabolt & Powermaster Gigatron", how would that sound?

Though it doesn't matter to me what they call him. I'll call him Overlord like how I call Fellbat, Dezaras, and Ironbison by their respective names. It's my figures, I can call them what I want. Except for Twinferno. When I get him (hopefully), he's keeping his name because it is awesome. Sorry, typo there. I meant to say: TWINFERNO

The rare instance in which a replacement name is cooler than the original!

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:The rare instance in which a replacement name is cooler than the original!

Well in my opinion, Doublecross is a cool name. Not for this character though, but still a cool name.

There's a simpler way to get around any "Overlord" Trademark issues than by using the name "Gigatron". Just give him the very similar-sounding name of "Overload". Of all the characters who have used that name in the past, none of them have been prominent enough to have that name attached to any one of them on an iconic level, and in this day and age, only the recent RID 2015 Overload comes close enough to being a significant bearer of the name... which works in Overlord's favor since RID 2015 Overload happens to be a blue Decepticon tank, which is exactly what one of Overlord's two altmodes is.

Though, keep in mind that this is merely a suggestion for a substitute Trademark label for his toy. The fiction can go on calling him "Overlord", much like how Black Shadow keeps his name in the fiction while his Hasbro toys use the substitute Trademark label of "Sky Shadow".

Sawback looks awesome in lion mode. That mode is the winner there. his shield mode is not bad either, and I do kinda like it!

Or, y'know... "Decepticon Overlord". Hell, unlike things like "Autobot Ratchet" that actually sounds cool and like it could mean something; a literal overlord of the Decepticons. I can see kids wanting it based on that error of reading even.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Decepticon Stryker wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Decepticon Stryker wrote:

ebo716 wrote:So I have a random idea. I think we will get two heads for overlord but one will be a titan master set with the horri bull vehicle called gigatron

That sounds like a great idea.

I agree, but the names will pose a problem. "Overlord" has been used for Europe and Japan, but the US uses "Powermaster Gigatron" (HoC PVC Figurine) or just "Gigatron" (BotCon 2012) instead, suggesting "Overlord" can't be acquired as a trademark.

Easy but stupid sounding fix: One Titanmaster is named "Over", and the other is named "Lord".

Too short and generic Though if Hasbro did manage to get "Overlord" trademark, we can get "Gigatron" and "Megabolt" for the Titan Masters.

You know, I think that's the reason why the female Mega was the template and not the male Giga. "Megabolt & Powermaster Gigatron", how would that sound?

Though it doesn't matter to me what they call him. I'll call him Overlord like how I call Fellbat, Dezaras, and Ironbison by their respective names. It's my figures, I can call them what I want. Except for Twinferno. When I get him (hopefully), he's keeping his name because it is awesome. Sorry, typo there. I meant to say: TWINFERNO

The rare instance in which a replacement name is cooler than the original!

so with these titan masters why do they need to be just headmasters i mean the concept of a "master" should include target and power masters too, right? it would give more diversity among the masters figures instead of all of them looking the same, dont get me wrong i like all the headmasters too and all these figures coming out look amazing i just thought it would be nice to have the other masters too

Kurona wrote:Or, y'know... "Decepticon Overlord".

I would imagine that those who have tried and failed to Trademark the name "Overlord" in the past, having had to use the "Gigatron" name instead (Fun Pub, for instance, with their Botcon 2012 Gigatron and 2014 Kreon Gigatron figures), would have likely already tried and failed to Trademark the name "Decepticon Overlord".

Sabrblade wrote:

Kurona wrote:Or, y'know... "Decepticon Overlord".

I would imagine that those who have tried and failed to Trademark the name "Overlord" in the past, having had to use the "Gigatron" name instead (Fun Pub, for instance, with their Botcon 2012 Gigatron and 2014 Kreon Gigatron figures), would have likely already tried and failed to Trademark the name "Decepticon Overlord".

Gimme a toy and I'll call em whatever I want.

SillySpringer wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Kurona wrote:Or, y'know... "Decepticon Overlord".

I would imagine that those who have tried and failed to Trademark the name "Overlord" in the past, having had to use the "Gigatron" name instead (Fun Pub, for instance, with their Botcon 2012 Gigatron and 2014 Kreon Gigatron figures), would have likely already tried and failed to Trademark the name "Decepticon Overlord".

Gimme a toy and I'll call em whatever I want.

Call him "Mister Huggykins"!

I'll call him Mr. Kills-Rewind-and-Pipes as he crushes TR Rewind's head with his hand and steps on the rumoured upcoming Pipes toy

Kurona wrote:I'll call him Mr. Kills-Rewind-and-Pipes as he crushes TR Rewind's head with his hand and steps on the rumoured upcoming Pipes toy

I shall call him Squishy and he shall be mine and he shall be my Squishy.

Sabrblade wrote:

SillySpringer wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Kurona wrote:Or, y'know... "Decepticon Overlord".

I would imagine that those who have tried and failed to Trademark the name "Overlord" in the past, having had to use the "Gigatron" name instead (Fun Pub, for instance, with their Botcon 2012 Gigatron and 2014 Kreon Gigatron figures), would have likely already tried and failed to Trademark the name "Decepticon Overlord".

Gimme a toy and I'll call em whatever I want.

Call him "Mister Huggykins"!

But I don't want to!

I kinda suspect they'd try and call him something more similar to Overlord. Or maybe even just Powermaster Gigatron.

Just curious, why are we debating the name of Overlord when the listing on the computer said Overlord?

william-james88 wrote:Just curious, why are we debating the name of Overlord when the listing on the computer said Overlord?

Past experience has taught us to be prepared for cases where the final toy's name doesn't match the original computer listing's name.

And further past experience has shown "Overlord" to be a name that has yet to be Trademarkable in the U.S. for toys of that character.

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Just curious, why are we debating the name of Overlord when the listing on the computer said Overlord?

Past experience has taught us to be prepared for cases where the final toy's name doesn't match the original computer listing's name.

And further past experience has shown "Overlord" to be a name that has yet to be Trademarkable in the U.S. for toys of that character.

That character has toys in the US?!

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Just curious, why are we debating the name of Overlord when the listing on the computer said Overlord?

Past experience has taught us to be prepared for cases where the final toy's name doesn't match the original computer listing's name.

And further past experience has shown "Overlord" to be a name that has yet to be Trademarkable in the U.S. for toys of that character.

That character has toys in the US?!

Fun Pub/BotCon is based in the U.S., so yes.

No wonder there weren't any official photos of the "jet" mode.

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Just curious, why are we debating the name of Overlord when the listing on the computer said Overlord?

Past experience has taught us to be prepared for cases where the final toy's name doesn't match the original computer listing's name.

And further past experience has shown "Overlord" to be a name that has yet to be Trademarkable in the U.S. for toys of that character.

That character has toys in the US?!

Fun Pub/BotCon is based in the U.S., so yes.

Plus, back in 2002 he got released in the Heroes of Cybertron line of PVC figurines:

Powermaster Gigatron on TFU.info

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Just curious, why are we debating the name of Overlord when the listing on the computer said Overlord?

Past experience has taught us to be prepared for cases where the final toy's name doesn't match the original computer listing's name.

And further past experience has shown "Overlord" to be a name that has yet to be Trademarkable in the U.S. for toys of that character.

That character has toys in the US?!

How did you just read an entire conversation about how toys of him in the US have been called Gigatron and not realize that?

FYI, wave 2 deluxes and voyagers are finally widely available online. Again, not a good deal compared to the in-store prices at Walmart for the deluxes, but a decent option for $12.99 at TRU. The voyagers are $23.99 and as of now, in stock at Target.

https://goto.target.com/c/1137247/81938/2092?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.target.com%2Fs%3FsearchTerm%3Dtitans%2520return

http://www.toysrus.com/search/index.jsp ... fv=2254197

Well much to my shock I saw a reasonable number of Titans Returns toys in a UK Toymaster store, they had Titanmasters, Legends, & one Powermaster Prime.

Why do my posts keep dissapearing?



I checked my weirdwolf, and he does need his titan head turned 180. But it doesn't click in, it just sorta slides in. It isn't loose but it's easy to slide out. He doesn't fit in at all if put in with his titan head the proper way around. Don't know if the hasbro one is different.

When I turn it 180, it just wants to pop put. When i do it regularly its perfect

the actual titan master head must be different between them then. Or one of us has a gammy head.

Bumblebee21 wrote:When I turn it 180, it just wants to pop put. When i do it regularly its perfect

Same here, one way just slides in and out as if there is nothing keeping it in while the other (regular way) sticks well. This is for the Hasbro one. However, one thing I noticed is that it will snap in at an angle, meaning that my wolfwire head becomes slightly tilted to one side.

I've compared my head to the photo in the gallery and it's the same. I've tried pushing it in and it does go in the regular way and clicks in very tightly, with some effort, but it also requires more effort than I'm comfortable with to get it back out and I fear doing it that way regularly will lead to the head snapping off. Maybe mine is just super tight?

So I was thinking about TR Megatron and how basically my only real problem with him is the whole deal with the Fusion Cannon.



It looks a bit dinky and pathetic on it's own; but with the Titan Master gun attached the shape and size becomes almost perfect... but the Titan Master gun is a completely different colour meaning this is worthless.
But then I realised, this in mind - would anyone be able to create a Fusion Cannon rear as a replacement for the Titan Master gun on Shapeways? That seems pretty ideal to me.
Heck maybe even a full Fusion Cannon. Though I do prefer having two pieces that combine considering the Fusion Cannon piece already there becomes the tank barrel.

or you could paint the piece black like optibotimus

Bumblebee21 wrote:or you could paint the piece black like optibotimus

Yeah but doing any actual work yourself is for nerds

Kurona wrote:

Bumblebee21 wrote:or you could paint the piece black like optibotimus

Yeah but doing any actual work yourself is for nerds

true but if you want it done right you gotta do it yourself. or wait for takara

Bumblebee21 wrote:

Kurona wrote:

Bumblebee21 wrote:or you could paint the piece black like optibotimus

Yeah but doing any actual work yourself is for nerds

true but if you want it done right you gotta do it yourself. or wait for takara

I still have very serious doubts Takara's gonna do it and I don't get why people think they will when every piece of precedence - no Leader Seekers, no Sentinel Prime, not even any Gears or Windcharger - suggests otherwise. I mean if they do it, great! Awesome! But I really don't think they will, and if they will, likely just as a really expensive exclusive.

Kurona wrote:

Bumblebee21 wrote:

Kurona wrote:

Bumblebee21 wrote:or you could paint the piece black like optibotimus

Yeah but doing any actual work yourself is for nerds

true but if you want it done right you gotta do it yourself. or wait for takara

I still have very serious doubts Takara's gonna do it and I don't get why people think they will when every piece of precedence - no Leader Seekers, no Sentinel Prime, not even any Gears or Windcharger - suggests otherwise. I mean if they do it, great! Awesome! But I really don't think they will, and if they will, likely just as a really expensive exclusive.

im sure they will. i dont think they wouldnt but it would be up there with astrotrain on the price.they have no other use for the head and the fusion cannon is exclusive to megatron

Bumblebee21 wrote:

Kurona wrote:

Bumblebee21 wrote:

Kurona wrote:

Bumblebee21 wrote:or you could paint the piece black like optibotimus

Yeah but doing any actual work yourself is for nerds

true but if you want it done right you gotta do it yourself. or wait for takara

I still have very serious doubts Takara's gonna do it and I don't get why people think they will when every piece of precedence - no Leader Seekers, no Sentinel Prime, not even any Gears or Windcharger - suggests otherwise. I mean if they do it, great! Awesome! But I really don't think they will, and if they will, likely just as a really expensive exclusive.

im sure they will. i dont think they wouldnt but it would be up there with astrotrain on the price.they have no other use for the head and the fusion cannon is exclusive to megatron

A lot more things were exclusive to the leader seekers. Their current modus operandi seems to be that they only re-use molds for characters if those characters also shared molds/body types in the past - Starscream/Thundercracker, Optimus/Nemesis etc - or if it's something much more major like Scourge and Highbrow. Megatron is not a major retool from Blitzwing and they never shared a body type/mold in the past.
Takara doesn't really care for re-using molds as much as Hasbro. ... unless it's Unite Warriors, which is a rather bizarre parallel to everything else they do.

And if they care that much about the head? It's friggin' Megatron. They could package him with a random Legend if they wanted to.

True but I think the reason that takara didn't do the seekers was that they realized how stupid it was and they probably didn't think that they needed to do them.

What about Transformers cloud.

That is also a possibility

Kurona wrote:

Bumblebee21 wrote:or you could paint the piece black like optibotimus

Yeah but doing any actual work yourself is for nerds

Dubious sentiments aside - why not wait and see what the Takara one is like or Blitzwing that might have the part you want in the colour you need.

Bumblebee21 wrote:True but I think the reason that takara didn't do the seekers was that they realized how stupid it was and they probably didn't think that they needed to do them.

What about Transformers cloud.

That is also a possibility

Transformers Cloud was... a bizarre line and not really comparable. Especially considering the much higher prices charged; it's more comparable to Timelines than a main line.

I don't see why they wouldn't have done the seekers. What's stupid about them?

RAR wrote:

Kurona wrote:

Bumblebee21 wrote:or you could paint the piece black like optibotimus

Yeah but doing any actual work yourself is for nerds

Dubious sentiments aside - why not wait and see what the Takara one is like or Blitzwing that might have the part you want in the colour you need.

Because Takara is highly likely not going to do him - and even if they did I'm not paying the high import prices just for that one part - and I'm not interested in Blitzwing.

RAR wrote:

Kurona wrote:

Bumblebee21 wrote:or you could paint the piece black like optibotimus

Yeah but doing any actual work yourself is for nerds

Dubious sentiments aside - why not wait and see what the Takara one is like or Blitzwing that might have the part you want in the colour you need.

Above discussion for the last part^^

Bumblebee21 wrote:True but I think the reason that takara didn't do the seekers was that they realized how stupid it was and they probably didn't think that they needed to do them.

What about Transformers cloud.

That is also a possibility

The is 0 relation. Transformers Cloud was kinda like Club figures in the US, redecos of existing figures to give them new identities, sold exclusively and for very high prices and covering things that are not available at Hasbro (like a voyager starscream, shockwave and rodimus).

Takara might release this Megatron but they also might not. Judging from the past, I think they wont. Takara releases less product than Hasbro and arent so redeco crazy. Megatron and Optimus here are just the the redecos of other figures releases earlier. But there is nothing wrong with waiting, by the time we realize they wont be releasing him these 2 voyagers will probably be available for cheap (or sold out and impossible to find, take your pick)

About these voyager triple changers, I have all the ones from the first 2 waves, my favourite is Astrotrain. He just looks awesome in Robot mode and the headmaster gimick takes nothing away (unlike Galvatron). Plus the conversion is smart, simple and fun and regardless of how different the alt modes are from his convetional alt modes, at least they look like alt modes and not him stuck mid conversion.

I like Trion's robot mode, but the rest isn't great, especially with hasbro's colour scheme. I dont think any of these will end up on my "best triple changers" list.

I think the only way Takara releases TR Voyager Megatron is if they do a G2 deco for the release. I do think they will release TR Voyager Optimus Prime in another deco (as another character), or with the Star Convoy head we were teased with back when the mold was revealed.

Bradimus wrote:I think the only way Takara releases TR Voyager Megatron is if they do a G2 deco for the release. I do think they will release TR Voyager Optimus Prime in another deco (as another character), or with the Star Convoy head we were teased with back when the mold was revealed.

If they release Optimus, I could see them most likely doing CR Black Convoy (RiD 2001 Scourge) first and foremost.

Sabrblade wrote:

Bradimus wrote:I think the only way Takara releases TR Voyager Megatron is if they do a G2 deco for the release. I do think they will release TR Voyager Optimus Prime in another deco (as another character), or with the Star Convoy head we were teased with back when the mold was revealed.

If they release Optimus, I could see them most likely doing CR Black Convoy (RiD 2001 Scourge) first and foremost.

Same.

Fangry:

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Bradimus wrote:I think the only way Takara releases TR Voyager Megatron is if they do a G2 deco for the release. I do think they will release TR Voyager Optimus Prime in another deco (as another character), or with the Star Convoy head we were teased with back when the mold was revealed.

If they release Optimus, I could see them most likely doing CR Black Convoy (RiD 2001 Scourge) first and foremost.

Same.

Same, with the addition of exclusive. Tankor/Destron Octone and Blitzwing will be general retail, no doubt.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Bradimus wrote:I think the only way Takara releases TR Voyager Megatron is if they do a G2 deco for the release. I do think they will release TR Voyager Optimus Prime in another deco (as another character), or with the Star Convoy head we were teased with back when the mold was revealed.

If they release Optimus, I could see them most likely doing CR Black Convoy (RiD 2001 Scourge) first and foremost.

Same.

Same, with the addition of exclusive. Tankor/Destron Octone and Blitzwing will be general retail, no doubt.

Expo exclusive, yeah.

I have thoughts on Wave 3 Titan Masters now that they've arrived. Overkill is the only repaint, but it works so well I suspect this character might have been the original intention of the mold.

Sawback (henceforth Lione) is fun, though also obviously a pretooling for Steeljaw. Has the weirdest vehicle and weapon modes of the bunch.

Ptero (Swoop) is well executed. The robot eye paint on mine isn't fantastic. Vehicle mode is pretty neat, and the Titan Master himself is toy Swoop as opposed to cartoon Swoop face like the robot head mode.

Fangry is the standout. Titan Master has this Black Knight/WW The Fallen thing going on. I think the robot head mode is meant for Crankcase, it's almost a dead ringer to Milne's design for him (were his head in one piece in that universe!) He has essentially two beast modes: Fangry mode, and a dragon mode that the Titan Master can ride. I want it repainted into Dragoyell so badly.

Great wave. This line keeps knocking it out of the park with fun factor. Don't skip it when you see it!

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:I agree, but the names will pose a problem. "Overlord" has been used for Europe and Japan, but the US uses "Powermaster Gigatron" (HoC PVC Figurine) or just "Gigatron" (BotCon 2012) instead, suggesting "Overlord" can't be acquired as a trademark.

Sabrblade wrote:And further past experience has shown "Overlord" to be a name that has yet to be Trademarkable in the U.S. for toys of that character.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Plus, back in 2002 he got released in the Heroes of Cybertron line of PVC figurines:

Powermaster Gigatron on TFU.info

I'm guessing you two aren't as familiar with G.I. Joes as you are Transformers?



Hasbro did have the name Overlord in the US for G.I. Joe in 1990 and just like other shared names like Shockwave, Scoop, and Mainframe they could have used it for a Transformer as well if they wanted to.

If they used the name Gigatron in 2002 then it's because they wanted to since Hasbro still had the name Overlord at least through 2006 when Fun Pub made a new figure for GIJoeCon.



So it seems more likely that Hasbro simply doesn't want the character to be called Overlord, at least in the past, we'll see what they do when the new figure comes out.

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