Video Review of Transformers Power of the Primes Leader Optimus Prime / Orion Pax

i really do like this optimus prime i get the evolution thing
but i wish they could have made that orion pax a separate figure and turn into a cybertronian vehicle of some sorts

Kind of dissapointed Orion Pax is so big. I had intentions to display him with TFCC Dion and Takara Energon Ariel. Still a cool figure in his own right, but wish the alt mode was cybertronian. And I hate the poor man's MP-10 mode. They should have done something more chuggish where the trailer turned into a base of some kind. I get the whole evolution thing but when you say screw scale the whole concept is already f**ked. On the flip side I will welcome the almost voyager sized Hot Rod who will make a good Rodimus scale wise without using the super duper trailer combo mode.

Anybody else have to keep reminding themselves that these toys are just that: toys? Primarily designed for little children, and any efforts to the collector are secondary. I've been way to spoiled by the high end market.


Anyway, my initial thoughts: I passed on Dreadwind, as it just did nothing for me.

Swoop is actually an amazing figure. I'm happily keeping him.

Jazz and Slag are both horrible figures. In thier case, the combiner gimmick has greatly limited them. That, and they just look bad. I gave both figures to my kids, (I was going to use them as christmas gifts, i gave in and opened them) and they have already broken them in small ways.

The durability quality of Hasbro toys continues to go down.

Sure, Orion Pax may be a bit too big for a standard Generations display. but he look pretty awesome and the whole package is MAGNIFICENT. Enough for me to forgive the iffy cab mode.

As soon that I see this Optimus in store, I'll buy it. Full price without hesitation.

Surprise good figure in combined mode ok truck mode but showing articulation wwaste of time all leader class deluxe class toys have same movements I skipped past those parts will not buy it

Ironhidensh wrote:Anybody else have to keep reminding themselves that these toys are just that: toys? Primarily designed for little children, and any efforts to the collector are secondary. I've been way to spoiled by the high end market.

I do, but it doesn't bother me because I've never gotten to put any money into masterpiece or third party figures. So, all in all, there is a certain 'zen' mentality to it, at least for me: accepting these figures for what they are and even finding the fun in them. I've only started collecting as an adult (last time I got a figure as a kid was during Beast Machine) and very little bothers me about the toys I get because they are that, toys, and not a collector display piece like something from lines such as S.H. Figuarts or Revoltech.

They are not the same thing and all I need to remind myself is that its fine and look at the more positive aspects of toys: more affordable and, generally, much more fun to just handle and mess with when bored. I'd never, for example, try to 'transform' (or rather parts-form) my Gunbuster when bored because that thing is a fragile, old revoltech with removeable parts but I sure do love to fiddle with Triggerhappy and his two Targetmaster friends (and remold).

Now I'm sure third party transforming figures can accomplish both role as display piece and transforming action figure but these remain a mystery to me, despite coming very close to buying Perfect Effect Beast Gorira.

I prefer CHUGs simply for the playability factor.

I'm not crazy about the alt mode for Op, but at $110 less than the MP, I'll live.

Skritz -- I didn't go 3P for awhile either, but the ones I did get, the quality was fairly high. They are generally cheaper than MPs, but the quality will vary by company.

Rated X wrote:Kind of dissapointed Orion Pax is so big. I had intentions to display him with TFCC Dion and Takara Energon Ariel. Still a cool figure in his own right, but wish the alt mode was cybertronian. And I hate the poor man's MP-10 mode. They should have done something more chuggish where the trailer turned into a base of some kind. I get the whole evolution thing but when you say screw scale the whole concept is already f**ked. On the flip side I will welcome the almost voyager sized Hot Rod who will make a good Rodimus scale wise without using the super duper trailer combo mode.

I agree with you on Orion. At first I was happy to see they were going with him, but at that size he's completely out of scale with any version of Elieta-1 and the other femmebots. So I guess I'll stick with Thrilling 30 Pax.

I may still get this guy, though. Just to have.

As for Roddy, well, I have a dedicated Hot Rod collection he'll fit right into. Protector is still gonna be my #1 Rodimus Prime.

bodrock wrote:I prefer CHUGs simply for the playability factor.

I'm not crazy about the alt mode for Op, but at $110 less than the MP, I'll live.

Skritz -- I didn't go 3P for awhile either, but the ones I did get, the quality was fairly high. They are generally cheaper than MPs, but the quality will vary by company.

Beside Beast Gorira (who I'll forever regret not buying), 3P figures just haven't struck my fancy all that much. Most exist to fill a niche of a high-end version of G1 figures, either as a Masterpiece 'count as' or a high-end combiner team. While I missed on Combiner Wars, that itch just isn't big enough to spend a ton of cash on.

The rest seem to be mostly IDW comic designs and I'm just not enough of a fan of these comics to bother. The only IDW character I'd really want a figure of is a proper Nova Prime but all those I like are quite costly. Steel Lucifer looks great but is just too small for my tastes, from the looks of it. I'm aware for many people, IDW has become the be-all-end-all of the Transformers brand but I'm just not really into it all that much.

Skritz wrote:Beside Beast Gorira (who I'll forever regret not buying), 3P figures just haven't struck my fancy all that much. Most exist to fill a niche of a high-end version of G1 figures, either as a Masterpiece 'count as' or a high-end combiner team. While I missed on Combiner Wars, that itch just isn't big enough to spend a ton of cash on.

The rest seem to be mostly IDW comic designs and I'm just not enough of a fan of these comics to bother. The only IDW character I'd really want a figure of is a proper Nova Prime but all those I like are quite costly. Steel Lucifer looks great but is just too small for my tastes, from the looks of it. I'm aware for many people, IDW has become the be-all-end-all of the Transformers brand but I'm just not really into it all that much.

We have Optimal to look forward to with PotP; but you could probably find the G1 incarnation loose & cheap. I got mine for just under $20 (missing arm shields, gun).

My favorite 3P is definitely from the IDW comics, but I dug Tarn's design before even knowing who he was....but he fit in nicely with our official figures.I'm eager to see Leader Primal on his hoverboard in-color soon....

Why do mp-10's arms look so dumb lol.
Dont mean to sound obnoxious, i really dont like how those arms look.

I really like this leader class prime and might just get it for orion pax alone

I still got my old Optimal Optimus, its just it annoy me I didn't have the guts to commit to a Masterpiece-level figure and ending up with the PotP version which I know will in many aspect end up as a downgrade. Or it could surprise me, who knows? Sure its a fact he'll be smaller and far less bulky or heavy.

Also dude, you're going to offend people by calling a Beast Wars toy a 'G1' figure. You'll get burned at the stake by purist who are still screaming 'trukk not munkkie'.

Skritz wrote:Also dude, you're going to offend people by calling a Beast Wars toy a 'G1' figure. You'll get burned at the stake by purist who are still screaming 'trukk not munkkie'.

I thought those were near extinction?

Anyways, I would love to have a Megatron to go with Optimal Optimus if we get more Beasties later on. All I can think of is how Hasbro could mix the designs he has (S1, Transmetal, and TM2).

Skritz wrote:I still got my old Optimal Optimus, its just it annoy me I didn't have the guts to commit to a Masterpiece-level figure and ending up with the PotP version which I know will in many aspect end up as a downgrade. Or it could surprise me, who knows? Sure its a fact he'll be smaller and far less bulky or heavy.

Also dude, you're going to offend people by calling a Beast Wars toy a 'G1' figure. You'll get burned at the stake by purist who are still screaming 'trukk not munkkie'.

Hah! That's true.

G1 to me ended in 1989, or 1990 if I'm feeling generous -- but I've acknowledged that "G1" has broadened its scope a bit, so I've adjust my head-canon as well....but I'm admittedly new to all the monkey business involving Beast Wars and beyond.

If I'm being even more strict as a purist, I'd say "G1" died with Optimus Prime in The Movie, making Rodimus, Unicron, etc. my "G2"....

bodrock wrote:If I'm being even more strict as a purist, I'd say "G1" died with Optimus Prime in The Movie, making Rodimus, Unicron, etc. my "G2"....

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You're just pushing your bias of disliking season 3 as some excuse to say 'its not the same show' as G1. That movie and the third season are very much part the same toyline, same show and were made by the same people. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean its not part of the G1 lineup. That is about as valid as me saying, for example, that Beast Hunters is not 'really' part of Transformers Prime or that anything from Age of Extinction is not 'really' part of the Bayverse. This is not the same as Beast Machine, for example, which had a different staff and was a soft reboot on the story and basically had little understanding of what came before.

Generation 1 functionally ended, brand-wise, when Generation 2 was a term coined for their first attempt a reboot which is where we got the term G1 to begin with. Now I'm sure we could argue that the japanese line and post cartoon and 'euro G1' may very well constitute a G1.5 so to speak which I'd very much agree.

Unless your excuse for saying season 3 isn't G1 is that its when they started making their own toy designs rather than just importing Diaclone. That would certainly be a more valid statement than simply saying 'G1 ended because I didn't like that part of it'.

Edit: I should point out that, as angry as this make you, I do consider Beast Wars to be part of G1. But not being G1. There is a difference. They are very much set within the same universe and continuity but these series and toylines are separated by a time gap but in universe and out universe.

You know, I still prefer MP-10 for almost everything, but I kinda like the stockier proportions on PoP Prime. Plus the grey bit fill out his color scheme a bit more. I'm not saying it's perfect, but if I were to fan-canon this figure, I'd use it as a clone of Optimus à la A Prime Problem or an alternate universe version of Prime. Still not gonna buy it when it hits shelves, but I wouldn't be opposed to buying him on clearance.

BTW we need a Dion with Ultra Magnus armor repaint please.

Well, one thing is certain: that Optimus is going in my collection as my G1 Optimus Prime (and Orion Pax, as a bonus!). I mean, the only Optimus I got beside that who aren't Optimus Primal is the War for Cybetron Optimus who is:
1) Too small.
2) Not an earth-mode Optimus.
Don't get me wrong, I dig that figure but it just doesn't fill that niche of a boxy semi-truck Optimus Prime.

Hi. This is the first time responding on this board, been lurking for years.
Now, I don't know if this has ever come up and I still need to figure out the forums and such, but I was wondering what is going on with potp prime's feet. Mp10 has normal ones, his look like they're floating. Is that a result of the amalgamation of Pax and trailer?
Also just want to say that I'm glad I finally took the plunge and joined

I don't like the red on top of the trailer. Sadly, I get less interested in everything above legends scale the more I see of it. I think the only one that will I will buy for myself is RU. He looks like a pimp. Then I'll get the rest of the stuff from the Takara legends/UW line. There are too many disappointments with Hasbro, no weapons for voyagers, odd paint choices, and difficulty with availability.

kurthy wrote:I don't like the red on top of the trailer. Sadly, I get less interested in everything above legends scale the more I see of it. I think the only one that will I will buy for myself is RU. He looks like a pimp. Then I'll get the rest of the stuff from the Takara legends/UW line. There are too many disappointments with Hasbro, no weapons for voyagers, odd paint choices, and difficulty with availability.

Starscream has weapons, and besides, these are wave 1 for next year, they shouldn't really even be available for another month or so, so this is just a happy coincidence. Besides, the pre-orders are up on every site, and they seem to indicate that the voyagers have some sort of soft street date or delayed shipment for December, ergo, they can't be 'difficult' to obtain, if they aren't even out yet

Much like for the Optimus Prime figure, newsed with its review here, we have recently seen in-hand images of the latest figures from Hasbro's Transformers Power of the Primes line, as shown in Hong Kong and Shanghai events with fans of the toys and the franchise. Once more via YouTuber Kevin Liu now we also have a full review (in Mandarin, and in addition to the previously seen clip by Liu) for the newest Voyager version of the Elected Supreme Ruler of Cybertron, the Chosen One, and general fan-favourite: Starscream.

The full video can be seen embedded below, but we've also included a couple of screenshots for those unable to watch right away, showing comparisons in jet mode with Masterpiece Starscream, and in robot mode with wave mate Grimlock, plus a look at all the stickers on the figure, the transformation, Prime Master compatibility, Prime Armor, torso mode, and a preliminary combination with Dreadwind and Aerialbots from the previous line of Combiner Wars. Check it all out!

Aside from how bad the stickers look on the off gray, I see some potential in this new Starscream.

Skritz wrote:

bodrock wrote:If I'm being even more strict as a purist, I'd say "G1" died with Optimus Prime in The Movie, making Rodimus, Unicron, etc. my "G2"....

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You're just pushing your bias of disliking season 3 as some excuse to say 'its not the same show' as G1. That movie and the third season are very much part the same toyline, same show and were made by the same people. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean its not part of the G1 lineup. That is about as valid as me saying, for example, that Beast Hunters is not 'really' part of Transformers Prime or that anything from Age of Extinction is not 'really' part of the Bayverse. This is not the same as Beast Machine, for example, which had a different staff and was a soft reboot on the story and basically had little understanding of what came before.

Generation 1 functionally ended, brand-wise, when Generation 2 was a term coined for their first attempt a reboot which is where we got the term G1 to begin with. Now I'm sure we could argue that the japanese line and post cartoon and 'euro G1' may very well constitute a G1.5 so to speak which I'd very much agree.

Unless your excuse for saying season 3 isn't G1 is that its when they started making their own toy designs rather than just importing Diaclone. That would certainly be a more valid statement than simply saying 'G1 ended because I didn't like that part of it'.

Edit: I should point out that, as angry as this make you, I do consider Beast Wars to be part of G1. But not being G1. There is a difference. They are very much set within the same universe and continuity but these series and toylines are separated by a time gap but in universe and out universe.

Why are you trying to pick a fight? His first statement was "G1 to me ended in 1989, or 1990 if I'm feeling generous -- but I've acknowledged that "G1" has broadened its scope a bit, so I've adjust my head-canon as well....but I'm admittedly new to all the monkey business involving Beast Wars and beyond."
And before that he called Optimal Optimus a G1 figure, which you called him out on. Obviously he stopped following G1 before it actually ended and is just now getting back into the swing of things. What he actually said was that, if he's going to be extremely technical, HIS idea of a generation 1 and 2 of transformers would be when they literally passed the torch on to a new generation of characters in the movie, but he isn't imposing that idea onto anybody else. Chill out dude.



As for the toys..... I appreciate the idea of making a giant Optimus Prime out of his cab and trailer but it's just too much visual cheating to me. The actual Optimus Prime is about 99% fake kibble, since the only parts of him that are actually part of the truck are the leg wheels. Also the trailer transformation is just a giant shellformer. Maybe Rodimus will look better, otherwise, I'm staying away from leaders until Primal.

unless I decide to just get this guy to face off with my CW Megatron, since he's off my main CHUG shelf after I picked up a Classics Megs for cheap at a con.

Eh you're right, I came off as a bit too antagonistic.

Yes. Yes you did.

Most of us have our own little head cannons.

Personally I'd prefer laser eye beams but eh, whatever works I guess.

That Starscream looks like an upscaled Legends figure. Or a crappy KO. What the hell Hasbro???

Is it just me, or does Starscream's torso mode remind anyone else of Movie Starscream's robot mode?

Overcracker wrote:Is it just me, or does Starscream's torso mode remind anyone else of Movie Starscream's robot mode?

I agree with you on that; maybe Hasbro is trying to mimic the homage of Movie Starscream's face on Prime Starscream's chest.

So I was wondering, given that everything in those leaks proved true so far and with Elita-1 and Moonracer were shown as well as Fire/Novastar, what are the odds of the 'Female Autobots' having enough members to form a full combiner? Granted, this is not a team I'd want to primarily display combined, but it seems that if that specific Autobot team is getting some love might as well go all-out, no?

Chromia already got a Generations toy so I doubt she'll get a new one so my guess being that its either an incomplete team or they'll give a figure to Greenlight and Lancer. Part of me doubt it, given they are beyond obscure, but you gotta admit these would certainly help vary the palette a bit more from pastel colors.

Skritz wrote:Chromia already got a Generations toy so I doubt she'll get a new one so my guess being that its either an incomplete team or they'll give a figure to Greenlight and Lancer. Part of me doubt it, given they are beyond obscure, but you gotta admit these would certainly help vary the palette a bit more from pastel colors.

Yeah but Windblade got a Generations and TR figure...so who's to say we won't get a superior Chromia retool of Afterburner? Personally I'd prefer a boxier and less feminine looking Chromia.

Madeus Prime wrote:

Skritz wrote:Chromia already got a Generations toy so I doubt she'll get a new one so my guess being that its either an incomplete team or they'll give a figure to Greenlight and Lancer. Part of me doubt it, given they are beyond obscure, but you gotta admit these would certainly help vary the palette a bit more from pastel colors.

Yeah but Windblade got a Generations and TR figure...so who's to say we won't get a superior Chromia retool of Afterburner? Personally I'd prefer a boxier and less feminine looking Chromia.

Windblade is the character Hasbro is trying really hard to make us like. Chromia is just Chromia. Unfortunately.

Skritz wrote:

Madeus Prime wrote:

Skritz wrote:Chromia already got a Generations toy so I doubt she'll get a new one so my guess being that its either an incomplete team or they'll give a figure to Greenlight and Lancer. Part of me doubt it, given they are beyond obscure, but you gotta admit these would certainly help vary the palette a bit more from pastel colors.

Yeah but Windblade got a Generations and TR figure...so who's to say we won't get a superior Chromia retool of Afterburner? Personally I'd prefer a boxier and less feminine looking Chromia.

Windblade is the character Hasbro is trying really hard to make us like. Chromia is just Chromia. Unfortunately.

But she does have a toy out in the wild, making her a more likely candidate for Hasbro to pitch to non-collectors. Unlike Firestar or Moonracer who've never seen release in toy form.

Madeus Prime wrote:

Skritz wrote:

Madeus Prime wrote:

Skritz wrote:Chromia already got a Generations toy so I doubt she'll get a new one so my guess being that its either an incomplete team or they'll give a figure to Greenlight and Lancer. Part of me doubt it, given they are beyond obscure, but you gotta admit these would certainly help vary the palette a bit more from pastel colors.

Yeah but Windblade got a Generations and TR figure...so who's to say we won't get a superior Chromia retool of Afterburner? Personally I'd prefer a boxier and less feminine looking Chromia.

Windblade is the character Hasbro is trying really hard to make us like. Chromia is just Chromia. Unfortunately.

But she does have a toy out in the wild, making her a more likely candidate for Hasbro to pitch to non-collectors. Unlike Firestar or Moonracer who've never seen release in toy form.

Well I'm no marketing guy so I can't say for sure. I just know I'd like to see a serious retool of the Groove/Afterburner mold as Chromia if they plan to make a full team for Elita-1's gang.

Skritz wrote:Well I'm no marketing guy so I can't say for sure. I just know I'd like to see a serious retool of the Groove/Afterburner mold as Chromia if they plan to make a full team for Elita-1's gang.

As I said, same

I'm curious as to what her combined form will look like. That's to say the full combination. I really love the torso form of the Starscream mold and I'm excited to see what it's going to look like in her colors.

Just a reminder of what we have to be excited about...

Was originally going to skip Starscream, but he’s warming up to me. Torso mode’s eh, but I like it. I’m really hoping they retool this into Leozack but I might be hoping too hard.

Mindmaster wrote:Was originally going to skip Starscream, but he’s warming up to me. Torso mode’s eh, but I like it. I’m really hoping they retool this into Leozack but I might be hoping too hard.

It would be nice but its unlikely given Liokaiser already saw release. Granted they could just release him as a torso exclusive to some retailer, with the implication that he replace angry green Sky Lynx 'Deszarus'.

Skritz wrote:

Mindmaster wrote:Was originally going to skip Starscream, but he’s warming up to me. Torso mode’s eh, but I like it. I’m really hoping they retool this into Leozack but I might be hoping too hard.

It would be nice but its unlikely given Liokaiser already saw release. Granted they could just release him as a torso exclusive to some retailer, with the implication that he replace angry green Sky Lynx 'Deszarus'.

That’s actually what I was hoping for, and wouldn’t be surprised if it happened that way.

Worst case scenario, I grab a second one and get a buddy of mine (who’s a professional customizer) to do the dirty work for me.

Inferno is giving me the odd hope that PotP will see some more remolding and 'upgrade' to some CW molds. Oh sure, some will say it is lazy, but part of me think this is not inherently a bad thing if we are going to get some new combiner teams. Why do I do find such lazyness a good thing? Because it mean a wide range of molds if they can draw from the engineering of the past line and use some new molds. This is great if they want to make full teams with vehicular combiner limbs, as we already got molds for car, trucks, jets and all that, leaving open a chunk of the budget for these all-new molds which can allow for animalistic combiners (Volcanicus, Abominus, Monstructor and Piranacon). That way if they want to give more Autobot limbs to hang with Jazz and Inferno they can at a fraction of the cost. Same if they want to make a Turbomaster combiner because...hey...everything is a combiner these days!

Dreadwind is already a retooled Aerialbot, after all, and he wears it quite nicely from the looks of it.

Edit: I should point out I'm only in favor of this if the budget is spent remolding these pre-existing designs rather than just doing more repaint. Looking at YOU, Alpha-Vortex.

Skritz wrote:

bodrock wrote:If I'm being even more strict as a purist, I'd say "G1" died with Optimus Prime in The Movie, making Rodimus, Unicron, etc. my "G2"....

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You're just pushing your bias of disliking season 3 as some excuse to say 'its not the same show' as G1. That movie and the third season are very much part the same toyline, same show and were made by the same people. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean its not part of the G1 lineup. That is about as valid as me saying, for example, that Beast Hunters is not 'really' part of Transformers Prime or that anything from Age of Extinction is not 'really' part of the Bayverse. This is not the same as Beast Machine, for example, which had a different staff and was a soft reboot on the story and basically had little understanding of what came before.

Generation 1 functionally ended, brand-wise, when Generation 2 was a term coined for their first attempt a reboot which is where we got the term G1 to begin with. Now I'm sure we could argue that the japanese line and post cartoon and 'euro G1' may very well constitute a G1.5 so to speak which I'd very much agree.

Unless your excuse for saying season 3 isn't G1 is that its when they started making their own toy designs rather than just importing Diaclone. That would certainly be a more valid statement than simply saying 'G1 ended because I didn't like that part of it'.

Edit: I should point out that, as angry as this make you, I do consider Beast Wars to be part of G1. But not being G1. There is a difference. They are very much set within the same universe and continuity but these series and toylines are separated by a time gap but in universe and out universe.

I apologize if I came off in any way to offend, Skritz. I also only recently got back into collecting and Transformers in general, thanks to Combiner Wars.

I like Season 3, honestly. Sure, my world was a bit shattered after the death of Optimus, so for me, the new cast of characters after The Movie were literally a new generation (not what the general fandom may call G2!). I never read the UK comics or watched Victory. All I know about them I learned from TFWiki.

Since joining these boards, my definition of "G1" has expanded, and I say we're in alignment on BW being part of G1, but isn't G1. And that's after only 5 episodes into the first season of Beast Wars (I've already been spoiled on the "tie-in")!

bodrock wrote:I apologize if I came off in any way to offend, Skritz. I also only recently got back into collecting and Transformers in general, thanks to Combiner Wars.

I like Season 3, honestly. Sure, my world was a bit shattered after the death of Optimus, so for me, the new cast of characters after The Movie were literally a new generation (not what the general fandom may call G2!). I never read the UK comics or watched Victory. All I know about them I learned from TFWiki.

Since joining these boards, my definition of "G1" has expanded, and I say we're in alignment on BW being part of G1, but isn't G1. And that's after only 5 episodes into the first season of Beast Wars (I've already been spoiled on the "tie-in")!

Nah, s'cool man. I sort of knee-jerked and jumped at the gun going 'oh look its another geewunner whining they ruined Transformers when Optimus died' which basically equate to, well, again, me being rude and assuming things. Its entirely my mistake.

Defining 'G1' and what is and isn't G1 is certainly a headache for many people due to it having many concurrent incarnations during its heyday and modern incarnation. To make an odd (or not) comparison it is very similar to those anime where the manga, anime and even OVA diverge heavily from the same basic source material and the whole thing gets further muddled by later incarnations of the franchise.

If its hard for fans to even explain it to other fans you can imagine how even harder it is to explain it to non-fans and outsiders how these shows and movies tie together and don't tie together.

You said it, Skritz -- a co-worker told me how much she loved Optimus Prime the other day (I have a G1 Optimus Prime bust on my desk), and I asked if she had introduced her son to the 80s cartoon.....but she only knew of Optimus from the Bayverse movies.

I've only seen the first two Bayverse movies in their entirety, and truly appreciate what they did for the brand -- without them, who knows if Transformers would be back in the mainstream like they are!

To me, the PotP Leaders are like a childhood dream come true -- now if they gave me a Leader Megatron that evolved into Galvatron, I would be over the dark of the moon.

Well, as much as I didn't like the G1 cartoon, I always liked the smaller cast that consisted of Hot Rod, Kup, Arcee, Blurr, Ultra Magnus, Wheelie, and Wreck-Gar. 11 characters less than the S1 cast (which to me consisted of a few remolds and character duplicates). Even though we get more combiners and old characters in the background, I feel more interested with the S3 cast (and other smaller casts in future franchises).

So who else now wants a photo montage video of Transformer backs set to 'Baby got Back'?

Soo. I watched the first Voyager Starscream review, which was in Chinese. you could clearly tell when he was saying words like "Starscream" "Power of the Primes", "Prime Master" etc.... But if he said the name of Starscreams combined form I missed it, and he didn't really show the instruction sheet in full detail.

Jeffrohurt wrote:Hi. This is the first time responding on this board, been lurking for years.
Now, I don't know if this has ever come up and I still need to figure out the forums and such, but I was wondering what is going on with potp prime's feet. Mp10 has normal ones, his look like they're floating. Is that a result of the amalgamation of Pax and trailer?
Also just want to say that I'm glad I finally took the plunge and joined

This got lost in the discussion over the last few pages, but I wanted to welcome you. This is an awesome community and even when we disagree, things mostly work themselves out. I lurk more than post these days, but that's because there are some truly awesome comments made!

I think the feet issue with PotP OP has been brought up before, and the general consensus agrees with you. Personally, I'm hoping once he is in hand, and on my shelf with a darker background, it won't be as noticeable.

Again, welcome! And watch out for that Agamemnon character, he's a little nutty...

Jeffrohurt wrote:Hi. This is the first time responding on this board, been lurking for years.
Now, I don't know if this has ever come up and I still need to figure out the forums and such, but I was wondering what is going on with potp prime's feet. Mp10 has normal ones, his look like they're floating. Is that a result of the amalgamation of Pax and trailer?
Also just want to say that I'm glad I finally took the plunge and joined

Welcome to the boards.

The hinges and swivels in the ankles may make it look like they are floating. It should be possible to bring them down a bit and make them look more cohesive.



The combination between Pax and the trailer happens at the chest only, which is why Prime gets such a messy backpack full of Orion Pax legs.

That Optimus may have some messy elements, but you gotta admit that in many aspects this easily one of the most G1-esque Optimus Prime in years. That headsculpt is not only spot on but absolutely lovely.

By the way, since earlier in the thread I mentionned the possibility of PotP re-using more CW molds and engineering: who here think a retooled and upgraded Motormaster/Optimus as Thunderclash would rock? All they would need, imo, is to keep the fixed hip and retool him so his arms lock into place better.

Quantum Surge wrote:Well, as much as I didn't like the G1 cartoon, I always liked the smaller cast that consisted of Hot Rod, Kup, Arcee, Blurr, Ultra Magnus, Wheelie, and Wreck-Gar. 11 characters less than the S1 cast (which to me consisted of a few remolds and character duplicates). Even though we get more combiners and old characters in the background, I feel more interested with the S3 cast (and other smaller casts in future franchises).

Even though I was born & bred to follow G1 Optimus, I absolutely agree season 3's smaller cast was appreciated. But the characters were still fairly straightforward.Now that I've nearly finished season 1 of Beast Wars, I'm loving the small cast of characters and dynamics of the Maximals. I now know why "sometimes crazy works" lol.

Skritz wrote:By the way, since earlier in the thread I mentioned the possibility of PotP re-using more CW molds and engineering: who here think a retooled and upgraded Motormaster/Optimus as Thunderclash would rock? All they would need, IMO, is to keep the fixed hip and retool him so his arms lock into place better.

Yes, and make sure his "bucklers"/combiner feet have a turbine aesthetic and can peg into his back to replicate his IDW look.

You do make a valid point on perfectly decent molds existing already for reuse in POP, all that truly needs to be retooled on CW figures is a peg hole into their chests to accommodate the Prime Master armor/hands. I'm honestly hoping we get a US released Nightbird toy. She can be easily retooled from one of Elita-1's limbs. Heck, they can even just repaint Dust Up.

anybody else think that if Takara brings Unite Warriors back, they will make POTP Starscream into Leozack and use him for a Liokaiser set?