Video Review of Transformers Kingdom Wave 1 Core Class
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Here's Chucks take on the wave:
Chuckdawg1999 wrote:THY KINGDOM COME! Had to say that, the core class figures from wave 01 are really good, the ball joints may make transformation needlessly fiddly, and they could loosen over time, but they're still entertaining figures that can make great desk toys.
We have embedded the actual video review below for your convenience:
That's not all, fellow Seibertron user, Bone Age has shared a separate video review of Core Class Vertebreak that they found by YouTube toy reviewer, Tef Tef. Again we have embedded the review below for your convenience:
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Posted by ZeroWolf on November 8th, 2020 @ 4:51pm CST
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Both Leader Class Beast Wars Megatron and Voyager Class Optimus Primal are set to be released next year as part ofbthd first wave of Transformers Kingdom toys. Alongside Primal, we'll see a release of Cyclonus and alongside Megatron will be a re-release of Earthrise Leader Class Optimus Prime (now sporting Kingdom packaging).
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Posted by o.supreme on November 8th, 2020 @ 5:33pm CST
Posted by transformers_va on November 8th, 2020 @ 5:50pm CST
Posted by ZeroWolf on November 8th, 2020 @ 6:01pm CST
transformers_va wrote:Wow!! Wtf!! I feared that Kingdom was going to bring down the quality that we saw in Siege (especially) and Earthrise, but these things are awful!! Why did they have to ruin such a good line of toys?
Each to their own, i think these are fantastic and I'm eagerly awaiting the coming Beast Wars
Posted by Hellscream9999 on November 8th, 2020 @ 6:18pm CST
ZeroWolf wrote:transformers_va wrote:Wow!! Wtf!! I feared that Kingdom was going to bring down the quality that we saw in Siege (especially) and Earthrise, but these things are awful!! Why did they have to ruin such a good line of toys?
Each to their own, i think these are fantastic and I'm eagerly awaiting the coming Beast Wars
Yeah, same, even as someone who grew up on BW as a kid, I'm definitely most excited for the new fossilizer additions to the ranks, they all look sick; generations is finally starting to earn the 's' at the end of its name
Posted by blackeyedprime on November 8th, 2020 @ 6:18pm CST
Rattrap is okay but I'm still undecided if I'm going for MP's (mostly KOS) over Kingdom as Cheetors pretty bad and Im hoping eventually one of the fossilizers gives black arachnia her show style mouthy bits otherwise I might have to wait for a RED version of her as neither spider modes work for me at the mo.
Posted by transformers_va on November 8th, 2020 @ 6:21pm CST
Seriously?!?, you think that OP is "fantastic"? That looks cheap as shit!ZeroWolf wrote:transformers_va wrote:Wow!! Wtf!! I feared that Kingdom was going to bring down the quality that we saw in Siege (especially) and Earthrise, but these things are awful!! Why did they have to ruin such a good line of toys?
Each to their own, i think these are fantastic and I'm eagerly awaiting the coming Beast Wars
Posted by Lore Keeper on November 8th, 2020 @ 6:30pm CST
Posted by Sabrblade on November 8th, 2020 @ 6:32pm CST
You were expecting Masterpiece quality from a pint-sized $10 Scout class figure?transformers_va wrote:Seriously?!?, you think that OP is "fantastic"? That looks cheap as ****!ZeroWolf wrote:transformers_va wrote:Wow!! Wtf!! I feared that Kingdom was going to bring down the quality that we saw in Siege (especially) and Earthrise, but these things are awful!! Why did they have to ruin such a good line of toys?
Each to their own, i think these are fantastic and I'm eagerly awaiting the coming Beast Wars
Posted by transformers_va on November 8th, 2020 @ 6:55pm CST
Straight to MP? That's quite a leap lolSabrblade wrote:You were expecting Masterpiece quality from a pint-sized $10 Scout class figure?transformers_va wrote:Seriously?!?, you think that OP is "fantastic"? That looks cheap as ****!ZeroWolf wrote:transformers_va wrote:Wow!! Wtf!! I feared that Kingdom was going to bring down the quality that we saw in Siege (especially) and Earthrise, but these things are awful!! Why did they have to ruin such a good line of toys?
Each to their own, i think these are fantastic and I'm eagerly awaiting the coming Beast Wars
No, but given that we've had some neat little designs in the Micromaster class, I was hoping for something better in the Core class than that junk. In the review, OP's head cover couldn't even stay closed
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on November 8th, 2020 @ 7:20pm CST
transformers_va wrote:Straight to MP? That's quite a leap lolSabrblade wrote:You were expecting Masterpiece quality from a pint-sized $10 Scout class figure?transformers_va wrote:Seriously?!?, you think that OP is "fantastic"? That looks cheap as ****!ZeroWolf wrote:transformers_va wrote:Wow!! Wtf!! I feared that Kingdom was going to bring down the quality that we saw in Siege (especially) and Earthrise, but these things are awful!! Why did they have to ruin such a good line of toys?
Each to their own, i think these are fantastic and I'm eagerly awaiting the coming Beast Wars
No, but given that we've had some neat little designs in the Micromaster class, I was hoping for something better in the Core class than that junk. In the review, OP's head cover couldn't even stay closed
Sometimes it can, sometimes.
Posted by transformers_va on November 8th, 2020 @ 7:25pm CST
Sorry, but in 2020, I would hope HasTak could do better than "sometimes" lolchuckdawg1999 wrote:transformers_va wrote:Straight to MP? That's quite a leap lolSabrblade wrote:You were expecting Masterpiece quality from a pint-sized $10 Scout class figure?transformers_va wrote:Seriously?!?, you think that OP is "fantastic"? That looks cheap as ****!ZeroWolf wrote:transformers_va wrote:Wow!! Wtf!! I feared that Kingdom was going to bring down the quality that we saw in Siege (especially) and Earthrise, but these things are awful!! Why did they have to ruin such a good line of toys?
Each to their own, i think these are fantastic and I'm eagerly awaiting the coming Beast Wars
No, but given that we've had some neat little designs in the Micromaster class, I was hoping for something better in the Core class than that junk. In the review, OP's head cover couldn't even stay closed
Sometimes it can, sometimes.
Posted by Sabrblade on November 8th, 2020 @ 7:50pm CST
Shall we write off the entire line based off one bad apple?transformers_va wrote:Sorry, but in 2020, I would hope HasTak could do better than "sometimes" lolchuckdawg1999 wrote:transformers_va wrote:Straight to MP? That's quite a leap lolSabrblade wrote:You were expecting Masterpiece quality from a pint-sized $10 Scout class figure?transformers_va wrote:Seriously?!?, you think that OP is "fantastic"? That looks cheap as ****!ZeroWolf wrote:transformers_va wrote:Wow!! Wtf!! I feared that Kingdom was going to bring down the quality that we saw in Siege (especially) and Earthrise, but these things are awful!! Why did they have to ruin such a good line of toys?
Each to their own, i think these are fantastic and I'm eagerly awaiting the coming Beast Wars
No, but given that we've had some neat little designs in the Micromaster class, I was hoping for something better in the Core class than that junk. In the review, OP's head cover couldn't even stay closed
Sometimes it can, sometimes.
Posted by Hellscream9999 on November 8th, 2020 @ 8:06pm CST
Sabrblade wrote:Shall we write off the entire line based off one bad apple?transformers_va wrote:Sorry, but in 2020, I would hope HasTak could do better than "sometimes" lolchuckdawg1999 wrote:transformers_va wrote:Straight to MP? That's quite a leap lolSabrblade wrote:You were expecting Masterpiece quality from a pint-sized $10 Scout class figure?transformers_va wrote:Seriously?!?, you think that OP is "fantastic"? That looks cheap as ****!ZeroWolf wrote:transformers_va wrote:Wow!! Wtf!! I feared that Kingdom was going to bring down the quality that we saw in Siege (especially) and Earthrise, but these things are awful!! Why did they have to ruin such a good line of toys?
Each to their own, i think these are fantastic and I'm eagerly awaiting the coming Beast Wars
No, but given that we've had some neat little designs in the Micromaster class, I was hoping for something better in the Core class than that junk. In the review, OP's head cover couldn't even stay closed
Sometimes it can, sometimes.
besides lots of early-run figures are plagued by qa issues, always have been, has everyone forgotten how rough some of the figures at the beginning of earthrise were
Posted by transformers_va on November 8th, 2020 @ 8:40pm CST
One bad apple? No. However an entire line (Kingdom) of junk kiddified toys.. perhaps?Sabrblade wrote:Shall we write off the entire line based off one bad apple?transformers_va wrote:Sorry, but in 2020, I would hope HasTak could do better than "sometimes" lolchuckdawg1999 wrote:transformers_va wrote:Straight to MP? That's quite a leap lolSabrblade wrote:You were expecting Masterpiece quality from a pint-sized $10 Scout class figure?transformers_va wrote:Seriously?!?, you think that OP is "fantastic"? That looks cheap as ****!ZeroWolf wrote:transformers_va wrote:Wow!! Wtf!! I feared that Kingdom was going to bring down the quality that we saw in Siege (especially) and Earthrise, but these things are awful!! Why did they have to ruin such a good line of toys?
Each to their own, i think these are fantastic and I'm eagerly awaiting the coming Beast Wars
No, but given that we've had some neat little designs in the Micromaster class, I was hoping for something better in the Core class than that junk. In the review, OP's head cover couldn't even stay closed
Sometimes it can, sometimes.
Seriously, Siege was fantastic, Earthrise was good, but these Kingdom characters look awful in comparison
Posted by o.supreme on November 8th, 2020 @ 8:49pm CST
Hellscream9999 wrote:besides lots of early-run figures are plagued by qa issues, always have been, has everyone forgotten how rough some of the figures at the beginning of earthrise were
I'm not saying Earthrise is Junk by any means, we've got a lot of great toys, but it's more than early run. More recent toys such as Arcee and Bluestreak still have QC issues.
Posted by Rodimus Prime on November 8th, 2020 @ 9:21pm CST
Posted by transformers_va on November 8th, 2020 @ 9:27pm CST
I agree 100%. I'm surprised he didn't go into the SS 86 figures though. It'd seem a better fit, unless there's something about Kingdom that I've missedRodimus Prime wrote:..the only Kingdom figure I want is Cyclonus.
Posted by o.supreme on November 8th, 2020 @ 9:38pm CST
Posted by Rodimus Prime on November 8th, 2020 @ 9:38pm CST
Not that I know of. May be we'll find out in the Earthrise show from Netflix. And yeah I thought he would be in SS 86 as well, same with Scourge.transformers_va wrote:I agree 100%. I'm surprised he didn't go into the SS 86 figures though. It'd seem a better fit, unless there's something about Kingdom that I've missedRodimus Prime wrote:..the only Kingdom figure I want is Cyclonus.
Posted by Sabrblade on November 8th, 2020 @ 9:47pm CST
The answer was already given by one of the leakers. Hasbro wanted to celebrate both anniversaries (of TFTM and Beast Wars) at the same time.o.supreme wrote:Why characters specifically from TF:TM are getting spread across two lines for the 35th anniversary is anybody's guess
Posted by Nemesis Primal on November 8th, 2020 @ 9:58pm CST
The fact that we've now got people judging the quality of the entire line (despite having not seen the majority of it yet) off of just the first figures in the smallest size class does surprise me though, that's terribly flawed logic. If I were to base my entire opinions of the previous WFC installments on just the Micromasters, the only one of the 11 figures currently on my desk that would survive the subsequent purge would be SS Overload. They're $10 figures, of course they're not going to be the best the line has to offer, calm down.
Scourge IS in SS86 though? Or did I misinterpret the end of your statement there?Rodimus Prime wrote:Not that I know of. May be we'll find out in the Earthrise show from Netflix. And yeah I thought he would be in SS 86 as well, same with Scourge.transformers_va wrote:I agree 100%. I'm surprised he didn't go into the SS 86 figures though. It'd seem a better fit, unless there's something about Kingdom that I've missedRodimus Prime wrote:..the only Kingdom figure I want is Cyclonus.
Posted by Sentinel_Primal on November 8th, 2020 @ 10:08pm CST
Posted by Rodimus Prime on November 8th, 2020 @ 10:15pm CST
No, if he is in SS 86, then disregard it. I didn't think he was. But why wouldn't he and Cyclonus be together, regardless of line of release?Nemesis Primal wrote:Scourge IS in SS86 though? Or did I misinterpret the end of your statement there?I thought he would be in SS 86 as well, same with Scourge.
Posted by Sabrblade on November 8th, 2020 @ 10:34pm CST
To further encourage people to buy from both lines.Rodimus Prime wrote:No, if he is in SS 86, then disregard it. I didn't think he was. But why wouldn't he and Cyclonus be together, regardless of line of release?Nemesis Primal wrote:Scourge IS in SS86 though? Or did I misinterpret the end of your statement there?I thought he would be in SS 86 as well, same with Scourge.
Posted by Rodimus Prime on November 8th, 2020 @ 10:42pm CST
Meh, I guess that's a result of marketing research. Honestly I don't think it's that effective, most fans buy specific figures, regardless of line. As I said previously, so far Cyclonus is the only Kingdom figure I want and getting him won't make me buy any others from that line.Sabrblade wrote:To further encourage people to buy from both lines.Rodimus Prime wrote:No, if he is in SS 86, then disregard it. I didn't think he was. But why wouldn't he and Cyclonus be together, regardless of line of release?Nemesis Primal wrote:Scourge IS in SS86 though? Or did I misinterpret the end of your statement there?I thought he would be in SS 86 as well, same with Scourge.
Posted by Sabrblade on November 8th, 2020 @ 10:51pm CST
Whether it's one or 100 purchases, they still got you to buy from Kingdom.Rodimus Prime wrote:Meh, I guess that's a result of marketing research. Honestly I don't think it's that effective, most fans buy specific figures, regardless of line. As I said previously, so far Cyclonus is the only Kingdom figure I want and getting him won't make me buy any others from that line.Sabrblade wrote:To further encourage people to buy from both lines.Rodimus Prime wrote:No, if he is in SS 86, then disregard it. I didn't think he was. But why wouldn't he and Cyclonus be together, regardless of line of release?Nemesis Primal wrote:Scourge IS in SS86 though? Or did I misinterpret the end of your statement there?I thought he would be in SS 86 as well, same with Scourge.
Posted by Rodimus Prime on November 8th, 2020 @ 11:04pm CST
yeah I guess. Had they kept Scourge and Cyclonus together, the line could have had return business. I doubt Hasbro *really* cares which line the purchases come from. It all goes to their bottom line.Sabrblade wrote:Whether it's one or 100 purchases, they still got you to buy from Kingdom.Rodimus Prime wrote:Meh, I guess that's a result of marketing research. Honestly I don't think it's that effective, most fans buy specific figures, regardless of line. As I said previously, so far Cyclonus is the only Kingdom figure I want and getting him won't make me buy any others from that line.Sabrblade wrote:To further encourage people to buy from both lines.Rodimus Prime wrote:No, if he is in SS 86, then disregard it. I didn't think he was. But why wouldn't he and Cyclonus be together, regardless of line of release?Nemesis Primal wrote:Scourge IS in SS86 though? Or did I misinterpret the end of your statement there?I thought he would be in SS 86 as well, same with Scourge.
Posted by sol magnus on November 8th, 2020 @ 11:13pm CST
Rodimus Prime wrote:yeah I guess. Had they kept Scourge and Cyclonus together, the line could have had return business. I doubt Hasbro *really* cares which line the purchases come from. It all goes to their bottom line.Sabrblade wrote:Whether it's one or 100 purchases, they still got you to buy from Kingdom.Rodimus Prime wrote:Meh, I guess that's a result of marketing research. Honestly I don't think it's that effective, most fans buy specific figures, regardless of line. As I said previously, so far Cyclonus is the only Kingdom figure I want and getting him won't make me buy any others from that line.Sabrblade wrote:To further encourage people to buy from both lines.Rodimus Prime wrote:No, if he is in SS 86, then disregard it. I didn't think he was. But why wouldn't he and Cyclonus be together, regardless of line of release?Nemesis Primal wrote:Scourge IS in SS86 though? Or did I misinterpret the end of your statement there?I thought he would be in SS 86 as well, same with Scourge.
True, although I'm sure there are metric that affect things behind the scenes. Of course, to me it doesn't matter which line they're in, I'm pretty much getting all the 1986 characters anyway, regardless of "line."
Posted by Flashwave on November 8th, 2020 @ 11:57pm CST
Rodimus Prime wrote:yeah I guess. Had they kept Scourge and Cyclonus together, the line could have had return business. I doubt Hasbro *really* cares which line the purchases come from. It all goes to their bottom line.Sabrblade wrote:Whether it's one or 100 purchases, they still got you to buy from Kingdom.Rodimus Prime wrote:Meh, I guess that's a result of marketing research. Honestly I don't think it's that effective, most fans buy specific figures, regardless of line. As I said previously, so far Cyclonus is the only Kingdom figure I want and getting him won't make me buy any others from that line.Sabrblade wrote:To further encourage people to buy from both lines.Rodimus Prime wrote:No, if he is in SS 86, then disregard it. I didn't think he was. But why wouldn't he and Cyclonus be together, regardless of line of release?Nemesis Primal wrote:Scourge IS in SS86 though? Or did I misinterpret the end of your statement there?I thought he would be in SS 86 as well, same with Scourge.
I think they do care to some degree because it helps show them what gimmicks people do or dont want (reading the forums only shows the vocal percentage of their customer base). If suddenly Kingdom bombs for example, then thry know not to try the Fossilizers again. The problem I see is thar SS86 is piggybacking on Studio Series, this is not a seperate line or even a one year chapter so how do they define that statistic?
Posted by Omega-Doom on November 9th, 2020 @ 2:01am CST
transformers_va wrote:One bad apple? No. However an entire line (Kingdom) of junk kiddified toys.. perhaps?Sabrblade wrote:Shall we write off the entire line based off one bad apple?transformers_va wrote:Sorry, but in 2020, I would hope HasTak could do better than "sometimes" lolchuckdawg1999 wrote:transformers_va wrote:Straight to MP? That's quite a leap lolSabrblade wrote:You were expecting Masterpiece quality from a pint-sized $10 Scout class figure?transformers_va wrote:Seriously?!?, you think that OP is "fantastic"? That looks cheap as ****!ZeroWolf wrote:transformers_va wrote:Wow!! Wtf!! I feared that Kingdom was going to bring down the quality that we saw in Siege (especially) and Earthrise, but these things are awful!! Why did they have to ruin such a good line of toys?
Each to their own, i think these are fantastic and I'm eagerly awaiting the coming Beast Wars
No, but given that we've had some neat little designs in the Micromaster class, I was hoping for something better in the Core class than that junk. In the review, OP's head cover couldn't even stay closed
Sometimes it can, sometimes.
Seriously, Siege was fantastic, Earthrise was good, but these Kingdom characters look awful in comparison
I must say, you have some stones judging an entire toyline off of some images and early reviews, you should consider taking off those rose tinted glasses as quite frankly a lot of the Earthrise line was a swing and a miss plagued with QC issues.
Posted by Munkky on November 9th, 2020 @ 8:51am CST
Rodimus Prime wrote:No, if he is in SS 86, then disregard it. I didn't think he was. But why wouldn't he and Cyclonus be together, regardless of line of release?Nemesis Primal wrote:Scourge IS in SS86 though? Or did I misinterpret the end of your statement there?I thought he would be in SS 86 as well, same with Scourge.
I'd say it's probably so the Decepticons can have at least some representation in Kingdom. According to the leaked store listings Kingdom only has a tiny handful of Decepticons in the entire range, it's pretty much just Cyclonus, Core Class Megatron and Starscream (and possibly Soundwave), Leader Galvatron and another Voyager Starscream. It's certainly possibe that Cyclonus was intended for Studio Series 1986 at some point, but it makes no difference to me either way.
Posted by Wolfman Jake on November 9th, 2020 @ 9:54am CST
transformers_va wrote:One bad apple? No. However an entire line (Kingdom) of junk kiddified toys.. perhaps?
Seriously, Siege was fantastic, Earthrise was good, but these Kingdom characters look awful in comparison
To each their own, but you're definitely in the minority opinion on the Kingdom figures. They look great overall. These are not "junk" or "kiddified" toys. Just take a look at the elegance of Deluxe Class Warpath, of the effective simplicity of Deluxe Blackarachnia, or the nearly screen-perfect Voyager Class Cyclonus. The Core size class is its own thing, probably meant to give us some heavy hitting A-listers for the Ark playset/figure coming up in 2021. The only classic character of any import at this size class is Rattrap, for the sake of scaling properly with the Deluxe, Voyager, Leader, and Commander class characters in the line. The quality is definitely still there with Kingdom, whether it be for G1 characters or Beast Wars.
o.supreme wrote:Why characters specifically from TF:TM are getting spread across two lines for the 35th anniversary is anybody's guess (Remember there is still Galvatron and an Earthmode UM coming in Kingdom). The prevailing fan theory is "not enough room" in one line or the other, which to me makes no sense, and I'm still not sold on. Of course while Hasbro does come up with some impressive ideas, they have had their share of headscratchers as well. I love TF:TM, but I'm not into collecting characters specifically from that movie. Still, I know hardcore fans are not going to be phased by the different look and aesthetic of the two lines (Kingdom vs SS86), after all, they've been piecemealing and upgrading their TF:TM cast together from whatever line releases a character since Classics/Generations began.
It's not a fan theory. Hasbro has told us this is the case, period. There were not enough slots in Kingdom for all of the 1986 movie characters AND the Beast Wars characters. Both the original movie and Beast Wars have anniversaries in 2021. Instead of ignoring Beast Wars, like usual, Hasbro has instead embraced it with a year-long line. Putting figures from the first Transformers movie into a line called "Studio Series," which celebrates Transformers characters from the "big screen," seems a pretty natural fit. Nothing said Studio Series was for "Bayverse" or live-action only movies and characters. It's a line meant to give us screen-accurate representations of Transformers characters as featured in movies. Why should the G1 movie be excluded? Just because it was animated and made over 30 years ago?
These 1986 movie figures even have their own special numbering system, so you can skip them in your collection if you want. Plus, they're not even taking over the entire Studio Series line. We know of some upcoming live action movie figures for 2021 already, like Voyager Class Bumblebee Movie Starscream. The 1986 characters are going to share some space with the live action characters in 2021, not replace them entirely. The number of live action A-listers left to do in the Studio Series is also running pretty low. There are a few more characters with on-screen movie appearances to do, but not so many that it would fill out more than another solid year of product at most. We don't know when the next movie will come out for sure, and Hasbro has to keep retailer interest in the Studio Series line going until the next movie is ready to go. Pacing themselves seems like a smart move.
I also don't know why you think the G1 characters in Kingdom are so aesthetically different from those of the 1986 movie characters in the Studio Series line. They're definitely meant to compliment each other. Both the War for Cybertorn Trilogy and the Studio Series are striving for screen accurate characters, whether from the original cartoon (Siege, Earthrise, Kingdom) or the animated movie, both of which are using the same set of character models from Sunbow. Cyclonus and Scourge are going to look great together, and Jazz will be right at home amongst my season 1 characters from Siege and Earthrise. Have you seen 1986 Leader Grimlock yet? He's amazing! Definitely doesn't clash with Earthrise Optimus Prime. Everything about what is happening with Transformers right now makes perfect sense, but some people just seem to want to be upset over nothing.
Posted by just_aCloud on November 9th, 2020 @ 10:11am CST
Very well said.Wolfman Jake wrote:To each their own, but you're definitely in the minority opinion on the Kingdom figures. They look great overall. These are not "junk" or "kiddified" toys. Just take a look at the elegance of Deluxe Class Warpath, of the effective simplicity of Deluxe Blackarachnia, or the nearly screen-perfect Voyager Class Cyclonus. The Core size class is its own thing, probably meant to give us some heavy hitting A-listers for the Ark playset/figure coming up in 2021. The only classic character of any import at this size class is Rattrap, for the sake of scaling properly with the Deluxe, Voyager, Leader, and Commander class characters in the line. The quality is definitely still there with Kingdom, whether it be for G1 characters or Beast Wars.
Posted by o.supreme on November 9th, 2020 @ 10:19am CST
Wolfman Jake wrote:It's not a fan theory. Hasbro has told us this is the case, period. There were not enough slots in Kingdom for all of the 1986 movie characters AND the Beast Wars characters.
Source?
Posted by aronjlove on November 9th, 2020 @ 10:27am CST
Wolfman Jake wrote:It's not a fan theory. Hasbro has told us this is the case, period. There were not enough slots in Kingdom for all of the 1986 movie characters AND the Beast Wars characters.
Which makes me wonder all the more why the even added BW to the WfC trilogy. They could easily have made a separate line for BW figures and then left SS to what it originally was, the live-action movies, and finished the G1-esque WfC with the '86 animated movie figures all in one line. I really feel like this third season/chapter whatever of WfC was sorta rushed and not thought out from a marketing standpoint.
Posted by AcademyofDrX on November 9th, 2020 @ 10:29am CST
Lines are marketing constructs, who cares
Posted by o.supreme on November 9th, 2020 @ 10:38am CST
AcademyofDrX wrote:Could we maybe not debate WfC vs. SS-86 again, it wasn't any more interesting in the SS and ER threads when we talked it to death weeks ago.
Lines are marketing constructs, who cares
I care. By that logic, they might as well put original Series Glavatron in Botbots, because , ya know, that line really needs a sales boost so they can justify the next wave...
It's about Truth, which I am a big fan of. When someone says "Hasbro said...". I just want to see proof that's all. Too many times the fans attribute things as fact, which are entirely made up. If I see the statement from Hasbro (which I could have totaly missed), basically saying "We stuck our excess Kingdom product is SS, because Kingdom had too many toys" then fine, I just want to see it is all.
Posted by aronjlove on November 9th, 2020 @ 10:38am CST
AcademyofDrX wrote:Could we maybe not debate WfC vs. SS-86 again, it wasn't any more interesting in the SS and ER threads when we talked it to death weeks ago.
Lines are marketing constructs, who cares
Lmao, people care or those things wouldn't exist
Posted by Razorbeast88 on November 9th, 2020 @ 10:40am CST
aronjlove wrote:Wolfman Jake wrote:It's not a fan theory. Hasbro has told us this is the case, period. There were not enough slots in Kingdom for all of the 1986 movie characters AND the Beast Wars characters.
Which makes me wonder all the more why the even added BW to the WfC trilogy. They could easily have made a separate line for BW figures and then left SS to what it originally was, the live-action movies, and finished the G1-esque WfC with the '86 animated movie figures all in one line. I really feel like this third season/chapter whatever of WfC was sorta rushed and not thought out from a marketing standpoint.
I can see where you're coming from on that one, but idk im a big fan of combining G1 with BW. I like the idea of optimus prime and optimus primal fighting side by side against the megatrons, and all the other potential team-ups and battles between characters. It does seem to be rushed though
Posted by aronjlove on November 9th, 2020 @ 10:46am CST
Razorbeast88 wrote:aronjlove wrote:Wolfman Jake wrote:It's not a fan theory. Hasbro has told us this is the case, period. There were not enough slots in Kingdom for all of the 1986 movie characters AND the Beast Wars characters.
Which makes me wonder all the more why the even added BW to the WfC trilogy. They could easily have made a separate line for BW figures and then left SS to what it originally was, the live-action movies, and finished the G1-esque WfC with the '86 animated movie figures all in one line. I really feel like this third season/chapter whatever of WfC was sorta rushed and not thought out from a marketing standpoint.
I can see where you're coming from on that one, but idk im a big fan of combining G1 with BW. I like the idea of optimus prime and optimus primal fighting side by side against the megatrons, and all the other potential team-ups and battles between characters. It does seem to be rushed though
Oh yeah, don't get me wrong because I think this is pretty cool and I definitely love me some new Beast Wars figures. Just seems really weird from a Marketing standpoint and many products live and die by their Marketing. Transformers just has such a massive fan base it almost doesn't matter, at least for those that frequent sites like this. But I have to wonder how many purchases are by fans, scalpers, and then parents buying for their kids. That breakdown would tell a lot but I have no idea if even Hasbro has that info.
Any excuse for new Optimus Primal and BW Megatron is fine by me
Posted by Razorbeast88 on November 9th, 2020 @ 10:53am CST
aronjlove wrote:Razorbeast88 wrote:aronjlove wrote:Wolfman Jake wrote:It's not a fan theory. Hasbro has told us this is the case, period. There were not enough slots in Kingdom for all of the 1986 movie characters AND the Beast Wars characters.
Which makes me wonder all the more why the even added BW to the WfC trilogy. They could easily have made a separate line for BW figures and then left SS to what it originally was, the live-action movies, and finished the G1-esque WfC with the '86 animated movie figures all in one line. I really feel like this third season/chapter whatever of WfC was sorta rushed and not thought out from a marketing standpoint.
I can see where you're coming from on that one, but idk im a big fan of combining G1 with BW. I like the idea of optimus prime and optimus primal fighting side by side against the megatrons, and all the other potential team-ups and battles between characters. It does seem to be rushed though
Oh yeah, don't get me wrong because I think this is pretty cool and I definitely love me some new Beast Wars figures. Just seems really weird from a Marketing standpoint and many products live and die by their Marketing. Transformers just has such a massive fan base it almost doesn't matter, at least for those that frequent sites like this. But I have to wonder how many purchases are by fans, scalpers, and then parents buying for their kids. That breakdown would tell a lot but I have no idea if even Hasbro has that info.
Any excuse for new Optimus Primal and BW Megatron is fine by me
Im also very curious about the breakdown of purchases, I think that would clear things up a lot. Because I see a lot of complaints about figures and knowing whether or not majority of purchases come from fans or people buying for kids would clear up whether or not fans are justified in expecting more or kids are the priority haha. I'm happy with where things are headed and the improvements with figures now compared to cw/tr/potp trilogy. Definitely more room for improvement but I love the progress. But the marketing is definitely confusing, there's no denying that haha
Posted by Sabrblade on November 9th, 2020 @ 10:57am CST
BotBots isn't a Generations line. Studio Series, however, is.o.supreme wrote:AcademyofDrX wrote:Could we maybe not debate WfC vs. SS-86 again, it wasn't any more interesting in the SS and ER threads when we talked it to death weeks ago.
Lines are marketing constructs, who cares
I care. By that logic, they might as well put original Series Glavatron in Botbots, because , ya know, that line really needs a sales boost so they can justify the next wave...
Posted by Razorbeast88 on November 9th, 2020 @ 10:59am CST
Posted by Wolfman Jake on November 9th, 2020 @ 11:46am CST
o.supreme wrote:AcademyofDrX wrote:Could we maybe not debate WfC vs. SS-86 again, it wasn't any more interesting in the SS and ER threads when we talked it to death weeks ago.
Lines are marketing constructs, who cares
I care. By that logic, they might as well put original Series Glavatron in Botbots, because , ya know, that line really needs a sales boost so they can justify the next wave...
Oh, if you want to talk logic, then let's talk about the logically fallacy you just made. Reductio ad Absurdum. Putting a Generations styled toy into the BotBots branding isn't the equivalent at ALL of putting a 1986 movie character into a movie line, that heretofore NEVER said that animated movie characters were off the table. That was just an assumption, although not a terrible one, that we now know is not the case, so let us reconcile the fact that we lacked imagination until now and were wrong. At least all the G1 characters in the Studio Series line were legitimately featured in The Transformers: The Movie. If they tried to shoehorn in some non 1986-movie characters, like Sandstorm or Octane, then we'd have a bit of an issue.
I'll try to track down a source for you on Hasbro, but that will take a bit of time. This is information that came to us in podcast form from one of the recent Fan First Fridays on Hasbro Pulse or what have you. In other words, it's not an interview transcript or news story that I can readily point to.
Posted by Flashwave on November 9th, 2020 @ 12:09pm CST
aronjlove wrote:Wolfman Jake wrote:It's not a fan theory. Hasbro has told us this is the case, period. There were not enough slots in Kingdom for all of the 1986 movie characters AND the Beast Wars characters.
Which makes me wonder all the more why the even added BW to the WfC trilogy. They could easily have made a separate line for BW figures and then left SS to what it originally was, the live-action movies, and finished the G1-esque WfC with the '86 animated movie figures all in one line. I really feel like this third season/chapter whatever of WfC was sorta rushed and not thought out from a marketing standpoint.
Generating a toyline like that is not that simple. Hasbro doesn't just go to a Store and say "Put this on your shelf". They have to sell it and sell the idea of it. So far, we have not seen enough figures from the BW side of things to fill a full line, we're right around the Netflix series in terms of figures being released which would mean TA-DA! More exclusives. And no one wants that. So they slip them into the series that is supposed to be representing multiple Generations and roll with it. Then its padding in the line with whatever other releases they have. Now, why they didnt bump someone in Studio Series for the redt of SS86 is beyond me, but we don't know nearly enough about whats coming for that line. (i would have sacrificed BeeScream for a slot for Cyclonus, but thats just me). Magnus makes some sense since he is likely to be a re-up of his Siege figure.
Posted by Sabrblade on November 9th, 2020 @ 1:11pm CST
- War For Cybertron Trilogy (Siege/Earthrise/Kingdom)
- Studio Series
- War For Cybertron Trilogy (Netflix, Walmart only)
- Cyberverse
Though, while Target doesn't have the Netflix line, it makes up for it with BotBots and the Movie Masterpieces. And Walmart also has to fit the RED toyline and the Vintage G1 line of reissues in there as well.
Creating a fifth all new toyline to try and cram into that same retail section would be overkill.
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on November 9th, 2020 @ 1:32pm CST
Sabrblade wrote:Yeah, right now the store shelves at Target and Walmart are fighting to make room for four Transformers toylines in one section:
- War For Cybertron Trilogy (Siege/Earthrise/Kingdom)
- Studio Series
- War For Cybertron Trilogy (Netflix, Walmart only)
- Cyberverse
Though, while Targt doesn't have the Netflix line, it makes up for it with BotBots and the Movie Masterpieces. And Walmart also has to fit the RED toyline in there as well.
Creating a fifth all new toyline to try and cram into that same retail section would be overkill.
Don't forget the G1 reissues.
It's gotten to the point only parts of any given line may appear in any given store:
- Walmart doesn't carry Battle Masters or Micromasters Classes in-store
- Target has Commander Class on the shelves
Toys 'R Us they ain't (tho Walmart may beg to differ), so shelf space is limited.
Posted by Rodimus Prime on November 9th, 2020 @ 7:22pm CST
Posted by Sabrblade on November 9th, 2020 @ 7:27pm CST
YesRodimus Prime wrote:Some Targets even had the Titan Class figures, but after the Ark that may be finished. Is the Ark part of the Kingdom line like Scorponok was with Earthrise?