Video Review of Takara Tomy Transformers Legends LG-51 Targetmaster Doublecross

Deadput wrote:I'm purchasing the ginrai set but I don't need two of the same thing.

I have the first version of Godbomber and the Hasbro Magnus Prime from the gift box.

I have never sold something before so where would I sell these guys? I have my local comic con next year which is the biggest one in Canada ( also only place for me to buy takara transformers retail )

I could also just sell the versions that come with this set.

BombshellDaBug wrote:Hey guys! I was wondering if you guys could help me out with something. Every holiday season, I try to treat myself to a pricier Transformer toy. I don't normally go for Takara stuff because of the price (which I see was the subject of an interesting conversation on this thread).

Anyways, I'm considering getting myself one of the Legends class/Headmaster sets in Takara's version of Titans Return. I've got my eye on three in particular, those being:

- Kickback and Clouder

- Condor/Laserbeak and Apeface

- Sharkticon and Sweep

Deadput wrote:I'm purchasing the ginrai set but I don't need two of the same thing.

I have the first version of Godbomber and the Hasbro Magnus Prime from the gift box.

I have never sold something before so where would I sell these guys? I have my local comic con next year which is the biggest one in Canada ( also only place for me to buy takara transformers retail )

I could also just sell the versions that come with this set.

Chug him in the storage bin. Problem solved. Soon Windblade, Topspin, Twin Twist will be joining him.

Rated X wrote:We all bought Doublecross for Haywire. But on the flip side, it has a better paint deco than Hasbro but is missing the proper guns. So try to think of that Twinferno you bought months ago as if you bought a 3rd party weapon with a free bouns figure for 15 bucks. Chug him in the storage bin. Problem solved. Soon Windblade, Topspin, Twin Twist will be joining him.

Rated X wrote:We all bought Doublecross for Haywire. But on the flip side, it has a better paint deco than Hasbro but is missing the proper guns. So try to think of that Twinferno you bought months ago as if you bought a 3rd party weapon with a free bouns figure for 15 bucks. Chug him in the storage bin. Problem solved. Soon Windblade, Topspin, Twin Twist will be joining him.

Deadput wrote:I'm purchasing the ginrai set but I don't need two of the same thing.

I have the first version of Godbomber and the Hasbro Magnus Prime from the gift box.

I have never sold something before so where would I sell these guys? I have my local comic con next year which is the biggest one in Canada ( also only place for me to buy takara transformers retail )

I could also just sell the versions that come with this set.

Black Hat wrote:

Chug him in the storage bin. Problem solved. Soon Windblade, Topspin, Twin Twist will be joining him.

Why? Topspin and Twin Twist are some of the best deluxes we've had in ages. Great robot mode, fun vehicle mode, awesome transformation, and they're the goddamn Jumpstarters except not terrible!

Black Hat wrote:

Chug him in the storage bin. Problem solved. Soon Windblade, Topspin, Twin Twist will be joining him.

Why? Topspin and Twin Twist are some of the best deluxes we've had in ages. Great robot mode, fun vehicle mode, awesome transformation, and they're the goddamn Jumpstarters except not terrible!

Speaking of "Old toy except not awful", remember those weird Diaclone pull-back figures (powerdashers I think)? They need new figures. Headmasters, combiner limbs, whatever, just give me Drilldasher!

chuckdawg1999 wrote:

Rated X wrote:We all bought Doublecross for Haywire. But on the flip side, it has a better paint deco than Hasbro but is missing the proper guns. So try to think of that Twinferno you bought months ago as if you bought a 3rd party weapon with a free bouns figure for 15 bucks. Chug him in the storage bin. Problem solved. Soon Windblade, Topspin, Twin Twist will be joining him.

Or I could sell them, which I plan on doing

Rated X wrote:That is not a cartoon accurate deco. Slugslinger should be way darker, almost dark greenish blue. This is almost the same toy accurate blue as the Hasbro version.

Sabrblade wrote:

Rated X wrote:That is not a cartoon accurate deco. Slugslinger should be way darker, almost dark greenish blue. This is almost the same toy accurate blue as the Hasbro version.

You're thinking of the wrong cartoon. Takara ignores The Rebirth in favor of The Headmasters for their cartoon-accuracy.

Black Hat wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Rated X wrote:That is not a cartoon accurate deco. Slugslinger should be way darker, almost dark greenish blue. This is almost the same toy accurate blue as the Hasbro version.

You're thinking of the wrong cartoon. Takara ignores The Rebirth in favor of The Headmasters for their cartoon-accuracy.

I can't be the only one baffled by the idea of people actually caring enough about The Rebirth to want toys slavishly accurate to it, right?

Randomhero wrote:-COUGH-

Sabrblade wrote:

Randomhero wrote:-COUGH-

You do know that's a secondary redeco done as an atypical bonus and not the main version of that toy, right?

Sabrblade wrote:

Rated X wrote:That is not a cartoon accurate deco. Slugslinger should be way darker, almost dark greenish blue. This is almost the same toy accurate blue as the Hasbro version.

You're thinking of the wrong cartoon. Takara ignores The Rebirth in favor of The Headmasters for their cartoon-accuracy.

Randomhero wrote:That’s the rebirth version coming out in all its AKOM incorrect color scheme glory

Rated X wrote:I guess it goes better with that Headmasters accurate Caliburst he comes with.

Sabrblade wrote:

Randomhero wrote:That’s the rebirth version coming out in all its AKOM incorrect color scheme glory

Yes. Coming after the main non-Rebirth version had already been done as the normal version of Hot Rod.

Rated X wrote:I guess it goes better with that Headmasters accurate Caliburst he comes with.

...Caliburst was in The Headmasters.

Black Hat wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Rated X wrote:That is not a cartoon accurate deco. Slugslinger should be way darker, almost dark greenish blue. This is almost the same toy accurate blue as the Hasbro version.

You're thinking of the wrong cartoon. Takara ignores The Rebirth in favor of The Headmasters for their cartoon-accuracy.

I can't be the only one baffled by the idea of people actually caring enough about The Rebirth to want toys slavishly accurate to it, right?

Rated X wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Randomhero wrote:That’s the rebirth version coming out in all its AKOM incorrect color scheme glory

Yes. Coming after the main non-Rebirth version had already been done as the normal version of Hot Rod.

Rated X wrote:I guess it goes better with that Headmasters accurate Caliburst he comes with.

...Caliburst was in The Headmasters.

Never seen this before. I was only going off of people on this site who have said numerous times that there were no targetmasters in the Japanese fiction.

Rated X wrote:Never seen this before. I was only going off of people on this site who have said numerous times that there were no targetmasters in the Japanese fiction.

Sabrblade wrote:

Rated X wrote:Never seen this before. I was only going off of people on this site who have said numerous times that there were no targetmasters in the Japanese fiction.

I have honestly never heard anyone make that ridiculous claim. It's too absurd a claim to even fathom that someone could say so with a straight face. Anyone who says that there were no Targetmasters in The Headmasters cartoon is a big fat liar.

fenrir72 wrote:Especially Broadside, the HB version was so naked and loose. And the change in plastics really makes a difference! And Sixshot........soooooo sweet! With his knees retooled and the oodles of paint (the purple makes it look like die-cast)! Yum!

Wolfman Jake wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:Especially Broadside, the HB version was so naked and loose. And the change in plastics really makes a difference! And Sixshot........soooooo sweet! With his knees retooled and the oodles of paint (the purple makes it look like die-cast)! Yum!

I've got both versions of Broadside and Sixshot. The plastics are the same quality between the Hasbro and Takara releases. Only the colors differ (and the paint apps). If anything, Takara had an extra several months to work out production kinks and up the QC to tighten some joints. Plus, loads of extra paint adds thickness to any surfaces that come in contact with one another, "tightening" any loose interfaces for transformation and articulation.

fenrir72 wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:Especially Broadside, the HB version was so naked and loose. And the change in plastics really makes a difference! And Sixshot........soooooo sweet! With his knees retooled and the oodles of paint (the purple makes it look like die-cast)! Yum!

I've got both versions of Broadside and Sixshot. The plastics are the same quality between the Hasbro and Takara releases. Only the colors differ (and the paint apps). If anything, Takara had an extra several months to work out production kinks and up the QC to tighten some joints. Plus, loads of extra paint adds thickness to any surfaces that come in contact with one another, "tightening" any loose interfaces for transformation and articulation.

Plastics especially the red on Broadside are a wee bit different or more noticeable. The Hb is a kind of dull red. Same with the teal of 6shot. Don't tell me you didn't notice it?

Sixshot had his knees retooled with an extra tiny slab of rectangular plastic to add a bit more slack. Not simple tightening or depending on the bending mileage. You did check it right? they are located at.....(you can read it in tfwiki)

Also the purple of Kickback. Smooth dark purple while the Hb is kind of dull purple. There IS a difference. You don't need a loop to confirm it.

steals_your_goats wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:Especially Broadside, the HB version was so naked and loose. And the change in plastics really makes a difference! And Sixshot........soooooo sweet! With his knees retooled and the oodles of paint (the purple makes it look like die-cast)! Yum!

I've got both versions of Broadside and Sixshot. The plastics are the same quality between the Hasbro and Takara releases. Only the colors differ (and the paint apps). If anything, Takara had an extra several months to work out production kinks and up the QC to tighten some joints. Plus, loads of extra paint adds thickness to any surfaces that come in contact with one another, "tightening" any loose interfaces for transformation and articulation.

Plastics especially the red on Broadside are a wee bit different or more noticeable. The Hb is a kind of dull red. Same with the teal of 6shot. Don't tell me you didn't notice it?

Sixshot had his knees retooled with an extra tiny slab of rectangular plastic to add a bit more slack. Not simple tightening or depending on the bending mileage. You did check it right? they are located at.....(you can read it in tfwiki)

Also the purple of Kickback. Smooth dark purple while the Hb is kind of dull purple. There IS a difference. You don't need a loop to confirm it.

Your original post made it seem like you were saying that the plastic quality was different between the two when it's just the color. I think that's where the confusion was.

Wolfman Jake wrote:

steals_your_goats wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:Especially Broadside, the HB version was so naked and loose. And the change in plastics really makes a difference! And Sixshot........soooooo sweet! With his knees retooled and the oodles of paint (the purple makes it look like die-cast)! Yum!

I've got both versions of Broadside and Sixshot. The plastics are the same quality between the Hasbro and Takara releases. Only the colors differ (and the paint apps). If anything, Takara had an extra several months to work out production kinks and up the QC to tighten some joints. Plus, loads of extra paint adds thickness to any surfaces that come in contact with one another, "tightening" any loose interfaces for transformation and articulation.

Plastics especially the red on Broadside are a wee bit different or more noticeable. The Hb is a kind of dull red. Same with the teal of 6shot. Don't tell me you didn't notice it?

Sixshot had his knees retooled with an extra tiny slab of rectangular plastic to add a bit more slack. Not simple tightening or depending on the bending mileage. You did check it right? they are located at.....(you can read it in tfwiki)

Also the purple of Kickback. Smooth dark purple while the Hb is kind of dull purple. There IS a difference. You don't need a loop to confirm it.

Your original post made it seem like you were saying that the plastic quality was different between the two when it's just the color. I think that's where the confusion was.

Precisely. The plastic colors are obviously different, I can tell that. The long running misconception in the Transformers collecting fandom, however, has been that Takara somehow uses superior quality plastic on their toys. This is not the case, as they are made in the same factories with the same molds and basic materials. When you started talking about a "change" in the plastics, I assumed you meant the quality and not simply the color of resins used. No worries, we understand each other now, I hope.

blackeyedprime wrote:As bad as headmasters is (currently re-watching them and on the third discat the mo), Scorponoks already destroyed two planets which is pretty impressive and doesnt seem to suffer from autobots 'we've won now lets let them get away' as much if I'm remembering the originals correctly. I'll watch rebirth after I've finished all the japanese series if I can suffer through more 'head-on, head-on' and 'Billeeeee'

fenrir72 wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:

steals_your_goats wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:Especially Broadside, the HB version was so naked and loose. And the change in plastics really makes a difference! And Sixshot........soooooo sweet! With his knees retooled and the oodles of paint (the purple makes it look like die-cast)! Yum!

I've got both versions of Broadside and Sixshot. The plastics are the same quality between the Hasbro and Takara releases. Only the colors differ (and the paint apps). If anything, Takara had an extra several months to work out production kinks and up the QC to tighten some joints. Plus, loads of extra paint adds thickness to any surfaces that come in contact with one another, "tightening" any loose interfaces for transformation and articulation.

Plastics especially the red on Broadside are a wee bit different or more noticeable. The Hb is a kind of dull red. Same with the teal of 6shot. Don't tell me you didn't notice it?

Sixshot had his knees retooled with an extra tiny slab of rectangular plastic to add a bit more slack. Not simple tightening or depending on the bending mileage. You did check it right? they are located at.....(you can read it in tfwiki)

Also the purple of Kickback. Smooth dark purple while the Hb is kind of dull purple. There IS a difference. You don't need a loop to confirm it.

Your original post made it seem like you were saying that the plastic quality was different between the two when it's just the color. I think that's where the confusion was.

Precisely. The plastic colors are obviously different, I can tell that. The long running misconception in the Transformers collecting fandom, however, has been that Takara somehow uses superior quality plastic on their toys. This is not the case, as they are made in the same factories with the same molds and basic materials. When you started talking about a "change" in the plastics, I assumed you meant the quality and not simply the color of resins used. No worries, we understand each other now, I hope.

Nowhere did I state superior hombres and mujers. Read my post again. Nowhere did I mention resins. Talking about that will cause a big clusterfrack. Also, let me reiterate on 6shot, Takara added an extra piece of molding on his kneecaps to give his knees a little slack unlike the Hb release. So yes, that part is a new mold. Just like the helmet and the Headmaster.

I didn't double dip for the targetmasters so I'm staying away from that but you can tell there is a certain difference, a neatness plus different hues for those that I have in twos ( Kickback, Broadside, 6shot). 6shot's dirty white part for example. Take a closer look.It is a different plastic type from the Hb version. Even Broadside's red. If you insist on saying they are using the same plastic, well I don't know what definition you would prefer on it.

Showing them on the site with a digicam image won't render it accurately. Must be how the digicams processors translate the light captured and rendering it as an image.These Takara domestic releases have this extra bling, and that extra really is a big change in the I want it department.

Anyone who don't like it all and still lingers in the Takara thread is akin to self flagellation if they don't really dig only the Hb releases.

bvzxa wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:

steals_your_goats wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:Especially Broadside, the HB version was so naked and loose. And the change in plastics really makes a difference! And Sixshot........soooooo sweet! With his knees retooled and the oodles of paint (the purple makes it look like die-cast)! Yum!

I've got both versions of Broadside and Sixshot. The plastics are the same quality between the Hasbro and Takara releases. Only the colors differ (and the paint apps). If anything, Takara had an extra several months to work out production kinks and up the QC to tighten some joints. Plus, loads of extra paint adds thickness to any surfaces that come in contact with one another, "tightening" any loose interfaces for transformation and articulation.

Plastics especially the red on Broadside are a wee bit different or more noticeable. The Hb is a kind of dull red. Same with the teal of 6shot. Don't tell me you didn't notice it?

Sixshot had his knees retooled with an extra tiny slab of rectangular plastic to add a bit more slack. Not simple tightening or depending on the bending mileage. You did check it right? they are located at.....(you can read it in tfwiki)

Also the purple of Kickback. Smooth dark purple while the Hb is kind of dull purple. There IS a difference. You don't need a loop to confirm it.

Your original post made it seem like you were saying that the plastic quality was different between the two when it's just the color. I think that's where the confusion was.

Precisely. The plastic colors are obviously different, I can tell that. The long running misconception in the Transformers collecting fandom, however, has been that Takara somehow uses superior quality plastic on their toys. This is not the case, as they are made in the same factories with the same molds and basic materials. When you started talking about a "change" in the plastics, I assumed you meant the quality and not simply the color of resins used. No worries, we understand each other now, I hope.

Nowhere did I state superior hombres and mujers. Read my post again. Nowhere did I mention resins. Talking about that will cause a big clusterfrack. Also, let me reiterate on 6shot, Takara added an extra piece of molding on his kneecaps to give his knees a little slack unlike the Hb release. So yes, that part is a new mold. Just like the helmet and the Headmaster.

I didn't double dip for the targetmasters so I'm staying away from that but you can tell there is a certain difference, a neatness plus different hues for those that I have in twos ( Kickback, Broadside, 6shot). 6shot's dirty white part for example. Take a closer look.It is a different plastic type from the Hb version. Even Broadside's red. If you insist on saying they are using the same plastic, well I don't know what definition you would prefer on it.

Showing them on the site with a digicam image won't render it accurately. Must be how the digicams processors translate the light captured and rendering it as an image.These Takara domestic releases have this extra bling, and that extra really is a big change in the I want it department.

Anyone who don't like it all and still lingers in the Takara thread is akin to self flagellation if they don't really dig only the Hb releases.

There is some instances where the plasitcs were different but its very few and far in between. And these days its either or. Example would be Skullcruncher. I bought both versions because the Takara version has a loose waist and ball joints at the legs. Got a Hasbro Skullcruncher and used parts from it to make 85% of my Takara version more stable.

Just like the seekers when it was noted that Henkei Thundercracker and Skywarp were molded from the Universe Starscream mold and not the Original Classics/ Henkei Starscream mold. The null rays ports are slightly bigger on the Universe Starscream mold, and it suffered from a certain looseness that the Henkei version of TC/SW had. However, when hen the United Seeker sets came out they used the original Classics mold. I mean If you have been in this hobby long enough you'll figure out what is what. I look at it as preference for what you want in your collection.

I wanted to know for myself if Takara Sixshot has the same looseness that Hasbro Sixshot has. Personally I want to kit bash them as the shade of Green on Legends Sixshot is not quite as green as the Headmasters Cartoon.

I prefer what Takara is doing especially with the Decepitcon Targetmasters but with the excpetion of Misfire and Sluglsinger I may stick to the Hasbro ones because in the case of Triggerhappy I think Hasbro's is perfect. maybe they will release an EX-Targetmaster set like they did for the Headmasters.

bvzxa wrote:

blackeyedprime wrote:As bad as headmasters is (currently re-watching them and on the third discat the mo), Scorponoks already destroyed two planets which is pretty impressive and doesnt seem to suffer from autobots 'we've won now lets let them get away' as much if I'm remembering the originals correctly. I'll watch rebirth after I've finished all the japanese series if I can suffer through more 'head-on, head-on' and 'Billeeeee'

Oh man my heart goes out to you if you're watching the dub of Headmasters.
I have the subbed version downloaded years ago.

fenrir72 wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:

steals_your_goats wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:Especially Broadside, the HB version was so naked and loose. And the change in plastics really makes a difference! And Sixshot........soooooo sweet! With his knees retooled and the oodles of paint (the purple makes it look like die-cast)! Yum!

I've got both versions of Broadside and Sixshot. The plastics are the same quality between the Hasbro and Takara releases. Only the colors differ (and the paint apps). If anything, Takara had an extra several months to work out production kinks and up the QC to tighten some joints. Plus, loads of extra paint adds thickness to any surfaces that come in contact with one another, "tightening" any loose interfaces for transformation and articulation.

Plastics especially the red on Broadside are a wee bit different or more noticeable. The Hb is a kind of dull red. Same with the teal of 6shot. Don't tell me you didn't notice it?

Sixshot had his knees retooled with an extra tiny slab of rectangular plastic to add a bit more slack. Not simple tightening or depending on the bending mileage. You did check it right? they are located at.....(you can read it in tfwiki)

Also the purple of Kickback. Smooth dark purple while the Hb is kind of dull purple. There IS a difference. You don't need a loop to confirm it.

Your original post made it seem like you were saying that the plastic quality was different between the two when it's just the color. I think that's where the confusion was.

Precisely. The plastic colors are obviously different, I can tell that. The long running misconception in the Transformers collecting fandom, however, has been that Takara somehow uses superior quality plastic on their toys. This is not the case, as they are made in the same factories with the same molds and basic materials. When you started talking about a "change" in the plastics, I assumed you meant the quality and not simply the color of resins used. No worries, we understand each other now, I hope.

Nowhere did I state superior hombres and mujers. Read my post again. Nowhere did I mention resins. Talking about that will cause a big clusterfrack. Also, let me reiterate on 6shot, Takara added an extra piece of molding on his kneecaps to give his knees a little slack unlike the Hb release. So yes, that part is a new mold. Just like the helmet and the Headmaster.

I didn't double dip for the targetmasters so I'm staying away from that but you can tell there is a certain difference, a neatness plus different hues for those that I have in twos ( Kickback, Broadside, 6shot). 6shot's dirty white part for example. Take a closer look.It is a different plastic type from the Hb version. Even Broadside's red. If you insist on saying they are using the same plastic, well I don't know what definition you would prefer on it.

Showing them on the site with a digicam image won't render it accurately. Must be how the digicams processors translate the light captured and rendering it as an image.These Takara domestic releases have this extra bling, and that extra really is a big change in the I want it department.

Anyone who don't like it all and still lingers in the Takara thread is akin to self flagellation if they don't really dig only the Hb releases.