Video Review of Power of the Primes Leader Class Optimus Primal

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Okay..... This is what the majority of you voted for???! $45+ is the going rate for that....?


As cheap and lazy as Hasbro has been with these Leader Class figures in this line, I'm kinda glad Deathsaurus didn't win.


Either way this thing is a pass!

YoungPrime wrote:Okay..... This is what the majority of you voted for???!

We voted for the character, there was no knowledge of the gimmick or what the figure would end as. Stop blaming it on the character (or serie) choice, it would have been almost as bad for everyone except maybe Star Saber. And even then people would still whine about the parts lacking articulation or the hollow pieces which are universal to all mass retail figures.

That said he's not the worst thing ever. His two robot modes are pretty great.

Skritz wrote:

YoungPrime wrote:Okay..... This is what the majority of you voted for???!

We voted for the character, there was no knowledge of the gimmick or what the figure would end as. Stop blaming it on the character (or serie) choice, it would have been almost as bad for everyone except maybe Star Saber. And even then people would still whine about the parts lacking articulation or the hollow pieces which are universal to all mass retail figures.

That said he's not the worst thing ever. His two robot modes are pretty great.

Thaaaaank yoooou.

-Kanrabat- wrote:Who's "correcting" who? Opinions are opinions. There's no "right" and no "wrong".

You know that.
I know that.
But there's 2 or 3 people that still don't give a shit and can't stop themselves from continuously correcting people.

Whoa mama! Forget Apeling-to-Primal Prime. This is while Optimal Optimus oughta be:

http://speedfreak01.tumblr.com/post/174731405583/hes-the-leader-of-the-bunch-you-know-him-well




Optional alternative deco: Badlands manga-accurate instead of BotCon 2015 toy/comic-accurate:

Sabrblade wrote:Whoa mama! Forget Apeling-to-Primal Prime. This is while Optimal Optimus oughta be:

http://speedfreak01.tumblr.com/post/174731405583/hes-the-leader-of-the-bunch-you-know-him-well




Optional alternative deco: Badlands manga-accurate instead of BotCon 2015 toy/comic-accurate:

I thought about it first. See: the-transformers-custom-idea-inspiration-thread--t109758s50.php

Who is that?

ZeroWolf wrote:Who is that?

PotP Optimal Optimus recolorred to be Oilmaster.
Here's a link to the wiki page on him;
https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Oilmaster#Timelines

Burn wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:Who's "correcting" who? Opinions are opinions. There's no "right" and no "wrong".

You know that.
I know that.
But there's 2 or 3 people that still don't give a **** and can't stop themselves from continuously correcting people.

Opinons = facts.
That's part of internet culture. Go to 4 chan's /toy/ board to see this in full effect!

Optimal Optimus repainted as Oilmaster.... That's one something-or-other-exclusive that beg to be made.

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Edit:
My 7777th post! What do I win?

Well damn, now I'm kinda sad knowing that'll definitely never happen (even though the other two Leader molds have black Decepticon repaints). Heck, I'd be happy with the Optimus Prime version, too.

Emerje

Paint Primal white with blue highlights, especially the face, paint Optimal red white and blue with the blast shields instructed to be on the shoulders as the official transformation for shoulder pads, call him Magnificent Magnus, or Magnified Magnus, and take my money.

A Singaporean posted theses on the 4chan /toy/ board in the TFG thread. He knocked out the pin that link Primal's spaceship-backpack in place. This create a separate "yoga pose only" Primal and a separate vehicle. The lone Primal can now interact with a much better looking Optimal Optimus, both in bot and gorilla mode. Also, the spaceship and surfboard modes still work thanks to all the pegs that lock everything in place. This is a BRILLIANT idea that make me want that toy even more!








What do you guys think?

-Kanrabat- wrote:

This is great and we get an 'Actionmaster Optimus Primal' to boot. Who would have thought?

Skritz wrote:This is great and we get an 'Actionmaster Optimus Primal' to boot. Who would have thought?

Well, not me. Ironic because I have a 98% complete G1 Action Master collection.

This make it even better!

-Kanrabat- wrote:A Singaporean posted theses on the 4chan /toy/ board in the TFG thread. He knocked out the pin that link Primal's spaceship-backpack in place. This create a separate "yoga pose only" Primal and a separate vehicle. The lone Primal can now interact with a much better looking Optimal Optimus, both in bot and gorilla mode. Also, the spaceship and surfboard modes still work thanks to all the pegs that lock everything in place. This is a BRILLIANT idea that make me want that toy even more!








What do you guys think?

Awesome. Thats pretty much what I had planned all along. Now time for a 3rd party company to swoop in and do an add-on kit to make Primal an ape alt-mode.

It seems to me that the design team did the least amount of work on the gimmick for it to be take apart just like that. But then again, there is a bias against beast wars so I shouldn't be surprised.

That jet mode without the small Primal kinda works and kinda doesn't. The cockpit piece sits too low for it to look flush with the rest. Everything else looks great without the backpack Primal.

So just give me a way to ditch the small one without messing up the jet mode and I'll be happy. Munkytrukk mode would be a bonus.

ZeroWolf wrote:It seems to me that the design team did the least amount of work on the gimmick for it to be take apart just like that. But then again, there is a bias against beast wars so I shouldn't be surprised.

Then again, even if they had a design team which loved Beast Wars I'm not sure how feasible a Primal-into-Optimal gimmick is, given they both share utterly different color schemes compared to Orion/Optimus and Hot Rod/Rodimus.

As for 'what if' they had made a Primal toy without the gimmick (say, had it been released in a gimmick-less Generations part like T30): it would have probably just ended up the original BW figure done on a modern budget and with modern engineering. Which would have been quite dull given there's the Masterpiece Primal already. However it is worth noting that the classic Optimus Primal figure is an extremely simple transformation all things considered, which was one reason why the original BW figure was so gimmick-laden: it's transformation was ridiculously simplistic, being a gorilla that turned into a humanoid robot. In my opinion a gimmick-less Leader Class Primal would have been both a very solid and very simple and bland figure at the same time.

That said, at the risk of repeating myself: its amazing how (mostly) spot on the robot modes for these figures are. You can tell that, bias or not, they wanted to capture the original looks without feeling the need to 'update' it. These sculpts are pure, 100% Primal.

Moonshot wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:A Singaporean posted theses on the 4chan /toy/ board in the TFG thread. He knocked out the pin that link Primal's spaceship-backpack in place. This create a separate "yoga pose only" Primal and a separate vehicle. The lone Primal can now interact with a much better looking Optimal Optimus, both in bot and gorilla mode. Also, the spaceship and surfboard modes still work thanks to all the pegs that lock everything in place. This is a BRILLIANT idea that make me want that toy even more!








What do you guys think?

Awesome. Thats pretty much what I had planned all along. Now time for a 3rd party company to swoop in and do an add-on kit to make Primal an ape alt-mode.

I may be considering that now as well.

I have a real conundrum when it comes to PotP Optimal Optimus. Or rather should I say, a crises of conscience. You see for me, it's easy. I have no desire to purchase this toy. It doesn't fit in with the aesthetic I've been trying to stick to since I returned to collecting with CW. However...My son really wants this toy. He is saving up his own money to buy it. I just don't want him to drop, $50 (a lot for a 12 year old), on this, and ultimately be disappointed. I've contemplated finding an original Optimal Optimus on eBay, loose, but finding one intact with all its parts, for a decent price can be challenging. We found a Tigerhawk at a flea market a while back for $15. It was missing all its missiles, but the toy itself was in great shape, and he really likes it.

I mean I had probably a comparatively "small" BW collection compared to most, but I only got the characters back then that I really enjoyed based sometimes by their in-show personality, and non-show characters based on designs I enjoyed. I don't want my less than stellar opinion of this toy to influence my son, but at the same time, I don't want him to get something he'll regret soon after. I guess perhaps not knowing the full range of abilities the original Optimal Optimus had may be in his favor, having never seen the toy, but I'm still concerned. I'm sure even before it hits store shelves (if it ever does in my area...) more prominent fan reviews will come out, especially in English (for the benefit of my son), and let him make the final decision.

ZeroWolf wrote:It seems to me that the design team did the least amount of work on the gimmick for it to be take apart just like that. But then again, there is a bias against beast wars so I shouldn't be surprised.

I don't think it's fair to say there's a bias against Beast Wars, the problem is, the original BW figures were already great figures, making it incredibly hard to improve on them.

To me, this is a figure that's been made worse because it's had a gimmick forced onto it.

Burn wrote:I don't think it's fair to say there's a bias against Beast Wars,

Warden's total disinterest in anything Beast Wars is pretty well documented, though. Things like saying there wasn't any need to celebrate its 20th anniversary right after we had just finished Thrilling Thirty, and telling fans if they want Beast Wars figures then go buy them from Takara Tomy (effectively squashing any chance of Hasbro releasing the MPs) among other things.

Emerje

o.supreme wrote:I have a real conundrum when it comes to PotP Optimal Optimus. Or rather should I say, a crises of conscience. You see for me, it's easy. I have no desire to purchase this toy. It doesn't fit in with the aesthetic I've been trying to stick to since I returned to collecting with CW. However...My son really wants this toy. He is saving up his own money to buy it. I just don't want him to drop, $50 (a lot for a 12 year old), on this, and ultimately be disappointed. I've contemplated finding an original Optimal Optimus on eBay, loose, but finding one intact with all its parts, for a decent price can be challenging. We found a Tigerhawk at a flea market a while back for $15. It was missing all its missiles, but the toy itself was in great shape, and he really likes it.

I mean I had probably a comparatively "small" BW collection compared to most, but I only got the characters back then that I really enjoyed based sometimes by their in-show personality, and non-show characters based on designs I enjoyed. I don't want my less than stellar opinion of this toy to influence my son, but at the same time, I don't want him to get something he'll regret soon after. I guess perhaps not knowing the full range of abilities the original Optimal Optimus had may be in his favor, having never seen the toy, but I'm still concerned. I'm sure even before it hits store shelves (if it ever does in my area...) more prominent fan reviews will come out, especially in English (for the benefit of my son), and let him make the final decision.

I would let your son buy PotP Optimal Optimus if he wants it. Yes, you can't let your own biases get in the way of his interests. I can almost assure you that, when your son has that figure in hand, he's going to love it. Adult fans are old, jaded, and supremely picky. We have all sorts of self-induced biases about how things "should be." Children are better able to evaluate and accept things for what they are without prior expectations. I'm sure that most kids are going to appreciate the play value they get out of a Transformer with so many different modes, and especially one as big as a Leader Class toy.

P.S.

Certainly don't tell your son what all of your own misgivings about the toy are. Your values aren't his values. If he doesn't find flaws where you have, just let him enjoy what he has.

Just got the wave 2 prime masters today, and took them apart for paint touch ups. Apparently their symbol-plates are actually two pieces, which really caught me off guard. Are the wave 1 figures like this as well? Since they were pinned together I never fully disassembled them.

So much for Amazon having the Terrorcons today.

Wolfman Jake wrote:

o.supreme wrote:I have a real conundrum when it comes to PotP Optimal Optimus. Or rather should I say, a crises of conscience. You see for me, it's easy. I have no desire to purchase this toy. It doesn't fit in with the aesthetic I've been trying to stick to since I returned to collecting with CW. However...My son really wants this toy. He is saving up his own money to buy it. I just don't want him to drop, $50 (a lot for a 12 year old), on this, and ultimately be disappointed. I've contemplated finding an original Optimal Optimus on eBay, loose, but finding one intact with all its parts, for a decent price can be challenging. We found a Tigerhawk at a flea market a while back for $15. It was missing all its missiles, but the toy itself was in great shape, and he really likes it.

I mean I had probably a comparatively "small" BW collection compared to most, but I only got the characters back then that I really enjoyed based sometimes by their in-show personality, and non-show characters based on designs I enjoyed. I don't want my less than stellar opinion of this toy to influence my son, but at the same time, I don't want him to get something he'll regret soon after. I guess perhaps not knowing the full range of abilities the original Optimal Optimus had may be in his favor, having never seen the toy, but I'm still concerned. I'm sure even before it hits store shelves (if it ever does in my area...) more prominent fan reviews will come out, especially in English (for the benefit of my son), and let him make the final decision.

I would let your son buy PotP Optimal Optimus if he wants it. Yes, you can't let your own biases get in the way of his interests. I can almost assure you that, when your son has that figure in hand, he's going to love it. Adult fans are old, jaded, and supremely picky. We have all sorts of self-induced biases about how things "should be." Children are better able to evaluate and accept things for what they are without prior expectations. I'm sure that most kids are going to appreciate the play value they get out of a Transformer with so many different modes, and especially one as big as a Leader Class toy.

P.S.

Certainly don't tell your son what all of your own misgivings about the toy are. Your values aren't his values. If he doesn't find flaws where you have, just let him enjoy what he has.

In addition to all of that, how about if you and your son go halfsies on getting the Potpie Optimal Optimus together, so that your son can buy the figure without having to spend $50 on it, and the two of you could take pride in saying that you went into getting an expensive together as father and son, along with the fact that neither of you would have to spend so much money on a figure that only one of you wants ($25 each instead all $50 from either of you).

Wolfman Jake wrote:

o.supreme wrote:I have a real conundrum when it comes to PotP Optimal Optimus. Or rather should I say, a crises of conscience. You see for me, it's easy. I have no desire to purchase this toy. It doesn't fit in with the aesthetic I've been trying to stick to since I returned to collecting with CW. However...My son really wants this toy. He is saving up his own money to buy it. I just don't want him to drop, $50 (a lot for a 12 year old), on this, and ultimately be disappointed. I've contemplated finding an original Optimal Optimus on eBay, loose, but finding one intact with all its parts, for a decent price can be challenging. We found a Tigerhawk at a flea market a while back for $15. It was missing all its missiles, but the toy itself was in great shape, and he really likes it.

I mean I had probably a comparatively "small" BW collection compared to most, but I only got the characters back then that I really enjoyed based sometimes by their in-show personality, and non-show characters based on designs I enjoyed. I don't want my less than stellar opinion of this toy to influence my son, but at the same time, I don't want him to get something he'll regret soon after. I guess perhaps not knowing the full range of abilities the original Optimal Optimus had may be in his favor, having never seen the toy, but I'm still concerned. I'm sure even before it hits store shelves (if it ever does in my area...) more prominent fan reviews will come out, especially in English (for the benefit of my son), and let him make the final decision.

I would let your son buy PotP Optimal Optimus if he wants it. Yes, you can't let your own biases get in the way of his interests. I can almost assure you that, when your son has that figure in hand, he's going to love it. Adult fans are old, jaded, and supremely picky. We have all sorts of self-induced biases about how things "should be." Children are better able to evaluate and accept things for what they are without prior expectations. I'm sure that most kids are going to appreciate the play value they get out of a Transformer with so many different modes, and especially one as big as a Leader Class toy.

P.S.

Certainly don't tell your son what all of your own misgivings about the toy are. Your values aren't his values. If he doesn't find flaws where you have, just let him enjoy what he has.

Let me add that an original naked Optimal Optimus will still ironically be as expensive as a full price PotP leader. Plus at 12, your son will be smart enough to notice that there's no arms panels, no canons, and an overall ass-looking figure because of it. If his first Optimal Optimus is the PotP leader, I'm sure it will be something that please him. Especially if it's something he bought with his own money that he genuinely worked for. The toy will have much more value this way. Plus, you can find a weaponless original BW Optimus Primal for a reasonable price and the lack of weapons will not screw up the look. Plus your son will see the origins of the smaller bot. I can only see WIN in this scenario.

Also, you may be lucky and come accross a coupon and/or a sale when it's time to buy PotP Optimal Optimus.

Your son looking forward to a figure I expected only mid-20-something neckbeard would EVER find interest in is quite adorable, really. The dominance of G1 in the serie as a whole mean it had never even crossed my mind that a kid could look at something meant to represent a Beast Wars figures and go 'I want that' because I was under the impression they wouldn't 'get it'.

That said, getting an original Optimal Optimus would certainly be something yet allow me to throw in a counter-argument against it in spite of it being a superior figure by all accounts: the figure is old and has a few weaknesses in its design which make it ill-suited to use it as anything but a display piece. The orange and brown plastic has been reported to crack, the chrome can flake and the electronics just might not work anymore.

For collectors getting the original is the better option but if what he want is a toy of a bigass orange robo-gorilla he really should get the new one so it doesn't risk breaking in his hands.

So.... I'm not a patient man



Cutthroat:
I'll get the bad out of the way first... ugh. His bird head, WILL fall off, in multiple pieces, ALL THE TIME. It is incredibly frustrating. Hopefully, it's not a common problem.

Sinnertwin:
Bot mode has monkey arms, otherwise he's pretty great! Beast heads are posable and both have opening mouths.

Blot:
He would be perfect, if his damn beast mouth opened. Aside from that though,

Abominus:
I need some hands/feet upgrades. But he's fantastic. I never had a full team of scramblers as a kid, but I had three Terracons. So it feels great to have this guy all assembled. He looks great, feels great, and honestly I'm fine with there being no UW counterpart. He might be my favorite Generations scrambler besides my Brutici.

I envy your Abominus!

I've heard people complain about this-and-that of the Terrorcons but that combined mode is awesome. As in the awe-inspiring usage of the word.

Cutthroat's beast head is a common problem I'm afraid.

Can you the Prime configuration? Cutthroat as the right arm, Sinnertwin as the left, Rippersnapper as the right leg, Blot as the left?

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Can you the Prime configuration? Cutthroat as the right arm, Sinnertwin as the left, Rippersnapper as the right leg, Blot as the left?

Seconded. Cutthroat seems like he'd make a really good arm, and I'm fond of having the "bulkier" characters form the legs. I could wait until I have Bombom in-hand and try out the various configs myself, but I want to see it now dammit

Skritz wrote:

YoungPrime wrote:Okay..... This is what the majority of you voted for???!

We voted for the character, there was no knowledge of the gimmick or what the figure would end as. Stop blaming it on the character (or serie) choice, it would have been almost as bad for everyone except maybe Star Saber. And even then people would still whine about the parts lacking articulation or the hollow pieces which are universal to all mass retail figures.

That said he's not the worst thing ever. His two robot modes are pretty great.

Read the post again!

I'm blaming Hasbro for being so poor on quality and quantity this year. But because it's so poor I'm thanking people like you for voting for the Monkey instead of Deathsaurus being ruined again (that Skylynx repaint was trash). But if you like it, by all means buy the whole shelf. I bought 4 Leader class figures last year and if this one was really any good I'd would've still bought it. So stop making lame assumptions in order to defend overall crappy designs.

shajaki wrote:So.... I'm not a patient man



Cutthroat:
I'll get the bad out of the way first... ugh. His bird head, WILL fall off, in multiple pieces, ALL THE TIME. It is incredibly frustrating. Hopefully, it's not a common problem.

Sinnertwin:
Bot mode has monkey arms, otherwise he's pretty great! Beast heads are posable and both have opening mouths.

Blot:
He would be perfect, if his damn beast mouth opened. Aside from that though,

Abominus:
I need some hands/feet upgrades. But he's fantastic. I never had a full team of scramblers as a kid, but I had three Terracons. So it feels great to have this guy all assembled. He looks great, feels great, and honestly I'm fine with there being no UW counterpart. He might be my favorite Generations scrambler besides my Brutici.

Now these I'm interested in! The Torrorcons are basically the highlight of this otherwise disappointing line IMO.

Now if only we had gotten some PotP Seacons to finish the G1 scramble combiners.

there's still a chance we'll get seacons in the next few years.

I'm pretty sure there will be plenty of Abobinus limbs to go around sooner than later. Let's hope it will be so before August 31 so I can put my remaining 2 TrU coupons to good use.

Yeah okay all I need is Optimus Primal and the rest will be outta my face. I'll pair him up with 2006 Botcon Optimus Primal which should go nicely...'nuff said!

Skritz wrote:The dominance of G1 in the serie as a whole mean it had never even crossed my mind that a kid could look at something meant to represent a Beast Wars figures and go 'I want that' because I was under the impression they wouldn't 'get it'.

Well I do have every TF series in some form of media, (mostly DVD, and the ones that don't exist on DVD I have as video files on my computer)and he's seen them all. So he has his likes form each series. I've tried not to let my biases sway him but sometimes as a parent its hard. On occasion he might ask to watch BM or Armada, and I'm like "no, not today"...I'm not in the mood for that. We happened by chance to find the BM Op Primal Platinum Edition figure at Ross for like $40 a while back. He really wanted it (but just upon site he didn't even know it existed). I know the toy was originally $100 or something like that, but I didn't have the money at that time, and I really didn't want it. up until now I've pretty much paid for all the toys in our collection, this will be his first, so yeah I'm sure he'll appreciate it more. But I just wonder if he wouldn't more appreciate an original Optimal Optimus, but then yeah...price is a factor as well. a coupon or discount of sometime would definitely help, still the scanty availability of PotP in general may cause us to purchase it on first site...

You know, it just hit me. If I didn't want to use the BotCon 2006 version, this non-beast "vehicular" version of Optimus Primal could serve as the pre-Beast Upgrade Beast Wars: Uprising version of the guy.

...Who we know very little about anyway.

...And who's dead.

...Eh, this newest attempt of mine to get me to want that toy isn't doing so well.

Sabrblade wrote:You know, it just hit me. If I didn't want to use the BotCon 2006 version, this non-beast "vehicular" version of Optimus Primal could serve as the pre-Beast Upgrade Beast Wars: Uprising version of the guy.

...Who we know very little about anyway.

...And who's dead.

...Eh, this newest attempt of mine to get me to want that toy isn't doing so well.

Primal is no stranger to time or dimensional travel, he's done it for BW, the BWII Movie, ran into some from the Movie... running into a version of the Great War in the past is just a drop in the ocean for him He could still that BWU guy, right before he was killed. Having him fight alongside Builders or against them as a wild card.

So BBTS just added most of PotP wave 3 to their pre-order listings. I put them all on pre-order just as a contingency. If I see them in the store first, I can cancel my pre-order. But oddly enough, after months and months of no Wave 2 PotP Prime Masters sightings, I get a notice TODAY that BBTS got them in stock, and is shipping them out.

Also I notice a couple of sightings just started being added. Could this be the beginning of "Tue" wave 2 release? Who knows. I feel used - getting them for almost triple retail price (after shipping), but then again, its a smaller purchase, not like a voyager or leader which are marked up (less % wise, but more money overall). I'll just definitely have to be watchful for any more wave 2. Thankfully BBTS does not have the single wave 2 Dinobots available, and I'm not purchasing the whole deluxe wave again, when I already have 3 of 5.

Also, BBTS is offering much of PotP wave 1 on a pretty good discount if there are any figures anyone is missing , or holding out on.

Qwan wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Can you the Prime configuration? Cutthroat as the right arm, Sinnertwin as the left, Rippersnapper as the right leg, Blot as the left?

Seconded. Cutthroat seems like he'd make a really good arm, and I'm fond of having the "bulkier" characters form the legs. I could wait until I have Bombom in-hand and try out the various configs myself, but I want to see it now dammit

I'll try and get to it tonight when I get home from work

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:You know, it just hit me. If I didn't want to use the BotCon 2006 version, this non-beast "vehicular" version of Optimus Primal could serve as the pre-Beast Upgrade Beast Wars: Uprising version of the guy.

...Who we know very little about anyway.

...And who's dead.

...Eh, this newest attempt of mine to get me to want that toy isn't doing so well.

Primal is no stranger to time or dimensional travel, he's done it for BW, the BWII Movie, ran into some from the Movie... running into a version of the Great War in the past is just a drop in the ocean for him He could still that BWU guy, right before he was killed. Having him fight alongside Builders or against them as a wild card.

The problems is that all my attempts to convince myself to want this figure keep failing because the smaller robot figure's tacky appearance just keeps overpowering any and all of my attempts. It just looks so baaad.

^He would fit right in with Rock Lords