Video Review of New Beast Wars Scorponok Reissue
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This came as a surprise. Reviewer Prime vs prime has a review up of a redeco of the original Beast Wars Scorponok. It,s claimed as part of the Walmart reissue line but there is no box in the review and there is no listing on the Walmart computer for a Vintage Scorponok. Yet this is indeed a new toy and has a more scho accurate grey plastic body compared to the original black release (and differs from the Takara green sticker release too).
Maybe this is a toy that will be released soon, or maybe not, we don't know. But we wanted to give you the info.
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Re: Video Review of New Beast Wars Scorponok Reissue (2116641)
Posted by Sabrblade on September 23rd, 2021 @ 7:17pm CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on September 23rd, 2021 @ 7:17pm CDT
Hopefully this version isn't as fragile as the original Kenner and Takara versions.
Re: Video Review of New Beast Wars Scorponok Reissue (2116651)
Posted by william-james88 on September 23rd, 2021 @ 11:22pm CDT
I found an original at a thrift store a few years ago. While it was missing the Cyber Bee, everything else felt solid and still does. What was the issue some people had?
Posted by william-james88 on September 23rd, 2021 @ 11:22pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:Hopefully this version isn't as fragile as the original Kenner and Takara versions.
I found an original at a thrift store a few years ago. While it was missing the Cyber Bee, everything else felt solid and still does. What was the issue some people had?
Re: Video Review of New Beast Wars Scorponok Reissue (2116653)
Posted by Sabrblade on September 23rd, 2021 @ 11:31pm CDT
I never owned the original Kenner version, but when I talked to BW expert Primal Sabbath (who's spent a good portion of his life researching and examining BW toy color and mold variations over the years) about it earlier this year, he said that that's a common breakage issue for the mold in general.
Posted by Sabrblade on September 23rd, 2021 @ 11:31pm CDT
I own the Takara dark blue recolor. When I first got it MISB just a few short years ago, the joint connecting the tail to the body sheared right off and immediately disintegrated upon my first ever attempt to transform the figure right out of the box, permanently disconnecting the tail from the body.william-james88 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Hopefully this version isn't as fragile as the original Kenner and Takara versions.
I found an original at a thrift store a few years ago. While it was missing the Cyber Bee, everything else felt solid and still does. What was the issue some people had?
I never owned the original Kenner version, but when I talked to BW expert Primal Sabbath (who's spent a good portion of his life researching and examining BW toy color and mold variations over the years) about it earlier this year, he said that that's a common breakage issue for the mold in general.
Re: Video Review of New Beast Wars Scorponok Reissue (2116658)
Posted by Emerje on September 24th, 2021 @ 3:26am CDT
You're both wrong, the two figures share no parts in common, they only share transformation.
In my case it's the hip ball joint popping off constantly. I think everyone has issues with the bee not playing nice, either the wings pop open for no reason or it just outright launches on its own. Really hope they fixed the tolerances there.
Emerje
Posted by Emerje on September 24th, 2021 @ 3:26am CDT
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:TOO MUCH ENERGON! wrote:Cybershark and Wolfang (which K-9 is a redeco of)
K-9 is a redeco and retool of Wolfang. Beast Mode and detachable shield have different engineering.
You're both wrong, the two figures share no parts in common, they only share transformation.
william-james88 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Hopefully this version isn't as fragile as the original Kenner and Takara versions.
I found an original at a thrift store a few years ago. While it was missing the Cyber Bee, everything else felt solid and still does. What was the issue some people had?
In my case it's the hip ball joint popping off constantly. I think everyone has issues with the bee not playing nice, either the wings pop open for no reason or it just outright launches on its own. Really hope they fixed the tolerances there.
Emerje
Re: Video Review of New Beast Wars Scorponok Reissue (2116669)
Posted by Bucky on September 24th, 2021 @ 8:54am CDT
Posted by Bucky on September 24th, 2021 @ 8:54am CDT
Totally over the moon about this news! I never got to own Scorponok, S1 Tarantulas or Cybershark as a kid. And while I’ve rebuilt my BW collection from the ground up, I never got around to pulling the trigger on those three, or Terrorsaur because of how much they go for (complete) on eBay. This is definitely awesome news to hear! Few steps closer to completing my BW collection.
Now I just have to make some more space…
Now I just have to make some more space…
Re: Video Review of New Beast Wars Scorponok Reissue (2116673)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on September 24th, 2021 @ 10:01am CDT
Three of us, then?
Plus, as I have the figures in front of me, I specifically noted different engineering. I didn't mention anything else. There is a Wolfang mold (Wolfang & Red Wolfang) and a K-9 mold (K-9 & Max-B).
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on September 24th, 2021 @ 10:01am CDT
Emerje wrote:AllNewSuperRobot wrote:TOO MUCH ENERGON! wrote:Cybershark and Wolfang (which K-9 is a redeco of)
K-9 is a redeco and retool of Wolfang. Beast Mode and detachable shield have different engineering.
You're both wrong, the two figures share no parts in common, they only share transformation.
Emerje
TF Wiki wrote:Part of the fourth wave of year-two Beast Wars Deluxes, K-9 is an extensive retooling of Wolfang, transforming into a German Shepherd. Almost all of his parts have been given new molding, often becoming larger, making him somewhat more massive than his predecessor. The only part of his body not changed is his robot head sculpt.
Three of us, then?
Plus, as I have the figures in front of me, I specifically noted different engineering. I didn't mention anything else. There is a Wolfang mold (Wolfang & Red Wolfang) and a K-9 mold (K-9 & Max-B).
Re: Video Review of New Beast Wars Scorponok Reissue (2116687)
Posted by william-james88 on September 24th, 2021 @ 1:55pm CDT
The definition of a retool is to literally take existing tooling and changing it so by definition it does not need to share parts, it just needs some parts to be based on others, which is the case here. Hence TF Wiki's accurate use of an extensive retooling since almost all the pieces of one mold were retooled into different ones.
Posted by william-james88 on September 24th, 2021 @ 1:55pm CDT
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Emerje wrote:AllNewSuperRobot wrote:TOO MUCH ENERGON! wrote:Cybershark and Wolfang (which K-9 is a redeco of)
K-9 is a redeco and retool of Wolfang. Beast Mode and detachable shield have different engineering.
You're both wrong, the two figures share no parts in common, they only share transformation.
EmerjeTF Wiki wrote:Part of the fourth wave of year-two Beast Wars Deluxes, K-9 is an extensive retooling of Wolfang, transforming into a German Shepherd. Almost all of his parts have been given new molding, often becoming larger, making him somewhat more massive than his predecessor. The only part of his body not changed is his robot head sculpt.
Three of us, then?
Plus, as I have the figures in front of me, I specifically noted different engineering. I didn't mention anything else. There is a Wolfang mold (Wolfang & Red Wolfang) and a K-9 mold (K-9 & Max-B).
The definition of a retool is to literally take existing tooling and changing it so by definition it does not need to share parts, it just needs some parts to be based on others, which is the case here. Hence TF Wiki's accurate use of an extensive retooling since almost all the pieces of one mold were retooled into different ones.
Re: Video Review of New Beast Wars Scorponok Reissue (2116689)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on September 24th, 2021 @ 2:05pm CDT
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on September 24th, 2021 @ 2:05pm CDT
I bought K-9 back in the day. Originally I never found Wolfang for sale anywhere. In the last few years I decided to collect and complete the mold. It was the first time I had him in hand. I was surprised by the size difference between them. Considering neither ever got into the show, they really put a lot of work into the figures.
Re: Video Review of New Beast Wars Scorponok Reissue (2116703)
Posted by william-james88 on September 24th, 2021 @ 4:26pm CDT
That's because Wolfang was supposed to be a show character instead of Tigatron.
Nut then again, they put a ton of work into a bunch of these toys.
Posted by william-james88 on September 24th, 2021 @ 4:26pm CDT
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I bought K-9 back in the day. Originally I never found Wolfang for sale anywhere. In the last few years I decided to collect and complete the mold. It was the first time I had him in hand. I was surprised by the size difference between them. Considering neither ever got into the show, they really put a lot of work into the figures.
That's because Wolfang was supposed to be a show character instead of Tigatron.
Nut then again, they put a ton of work into a bunch of these toys.
Re: Video Review of New Beast Wars Scorponok Reissue (2116704)
Posted by o.supreme on September 24th, 2021 @ 4:39pm CDT
I always thought it was supposed to be Polar Claw that appeared in the show, then they made a late decision to switch to Tigatron ? (easier to adapt Cheetor CG Model to another, slightly larger Cat, with just a few changes, as opposed to a whole new model), but they BOTH had the whole snow environment going etc. Also why they changed Tigatron's toy from Orange (production photos) to white (final product).
(*Yes I know IRL it is a misnomer that ALL White Tigers live in Siberia, or snowy environments. It is a recessive gene that can appear in any of the different Tiger Breeds)
Posted by o.supreme on September 24th, 2021 @ 4:39pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:That's because Wolfang was supposed to be a show character instead of Tigatron.
But then again, they put a ton of work into a bunch of these toys.
I always thought it was supposed to be Polar Claw that appeared in the show, then they made a late decision to switch to Tigatron ? (easier to adapt Cheetor CG Model to another, slightly larger Cat, with just a few changes, as opposed to a whole new model), but they BOTH had the whole snow environment going etc. Also why they changed Tigatron's toy from Orange (production photos) to white (final product).
(*Yes I know IRL it is a misnomer that ALL White Tigers live in Siberia, or snowy environments. It is a recessive gene that can appear in any of the different Tiger Breeds)
Re: Video Review of New Beast Wars Scorponok Reissue (2116713)
Posted by primalxconvoy on September 24th, 2021 @ 10:15pm CDT
Posted by primalxconvoy on September 24th, 2021 @ 10:15pm CDT
"primevsprime has another video of...
Re: Video Review of New Beast Wars Scorponok Reissue (2116716)
Posted by william-james88 on September 24th, 2021 @ 11:56pm CDT
TFwiki says it was supposed to be wolfang
Posted by william-james88 on September 24th, 2021 @ 11:56pm CDT
o.supreme wrote:william-james88 wrote:That's because Wolfang was supposed to be a show character instead of Tigatron.
But then again, they put a ton of work into a bunch of these toys.
I always thought it was supposed to be Polar Claw that appeared in the show, then they made a late decision to switch to Tigatron ? (easier to adapt Cheetor CG Model to another, slightly larger Cat, with just a few changes, as opposed to a whole new model), but they BOTH had the whole snow environment going etc. Also why they changed Tigatron's toy from Orange (production photos) to white (final product).
(*Yes I know IRL it is a misnomer that ALL White Tigers live in Siberia, or snowy environments. It is a recessive gene that can appear in any of the different Tiger Breeds)
TFwiki says it was supposed to be wolfang
Re: Video Review of New Beast Wars Scorponok Reissue (2116728)
Posted by Mistaken_Table on September 25th, 2021 @ 6:38am CDT
Posted by Mistaken_Table on September 25th, 2021 @ 6:38am CDT
I bet you can't take a step forward in that factory without someone stealing the shoe off your airborne foot.
Re: Video Review of New Beast Wars Scorponok Reissue (2116732)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on September 25th, 2021 @ 9:32am CDT
The show was originally leading with Wolfang. From the perspective of the toyline marketing, Polar Claw could be implied. The dialogue spoken by Tigatron in Fallen Comrades could have been applied to all three. The isolationism of Polar Bears. The pack mentality of Wolves etc etc
The budget was the deciding factor. Leading us to forever muse over how cool Polarhawk or Wolfhawk could have been.
Indeed. But at the same time. For them to make a completely separate figure to Wolfang, based on upscaled engineering, in K-9. That's a level of work for a non-show character you don't really see anymore. As you say, there are a ton of examples of figures the designers went out of their way to look fantastic (The Transmetal 2 line, in particular).
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on September 25th, 2021 @ 9:32am CDT
william-james88 wrote:o.supreme wrote:william-james88 wrote:That's because Wolfang was supposed to be a show character instead of Tigatron.
But then again, they put a ton of work into a bunch of these toys.
I always thought it was supposed to be Polar Claw that appeared in the show, then they made a late decision to switch to Tigatron ? (easier to adapt Cheetor CG Model to another, slightly larger Cat, with just a few changes, as opposed to a whole new model), but they BOTH had the whole snow environment going etc. Also why they changed Tigatron's toy from Orange (production photos) to white (final product).
(*Yes I know IRL it is a misnomer that ALL White Tigers live in Siberia, or snowy environments. It is a recessive gene that can appear in any of the different Tiger Breeds)
TFwiki says it was supposed to be wolfang
The show was originally leading with Wolfang. From the perspective of the toyline marketing, Polar Claw could be implied. The dialogue spoken by Tigatron in Fallen Comrades could have been applied to all three. The isolationism of Polar Bears. The pack mentality of Wolves etc etc
The budget was the deciding factor. Leading us to forever muse over how cool Polarhawk or Wolfhawk could have been.
william-james88 wrote:That's because Wolfang was supposed to be a show character instead of Tigatron.
Indeed. But at the same time. For them to make a completely separate figure to Wolfang, based on upscaled engineering, in K-9. That's a level of work for a non-show character you don't really see anymore. As you say, there are a ton of examples of figures the designers went out of their way to look fantastic (The Transmetal 2 line, in particular).
Re: Video Review of New Beast Wars Scorponok Reissue (2116743)
Posted by Emerje on September 25th, 2021 @ 3:45pm CDT
Emerje
Posted by Emerje on September 25th, 2021 @ 3:45pm CDT
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:The budget was the deciding factor. Leading us to forever muse over how cool Polarhawk or Wolfhawk could have been.
Emerje
Re: Video Review of New Beast Wars Scorponok Reissue (2116771)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on September 26th, 2021 @ 8:14am CDT
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on September 26th, 2021 @ 8:14am CDT
Ewww
I'll always consider Silverbolt a dog, not a wolf. Semantics perhaps. But as I loathe Silverbolt, meanwhile adore Wolfang. I choose to make the distinction.
That said, I think the most visually striking design would have been Polarhawk.
I'll always consider Silverbolt a dog, not a wolf. Semantics perhaps. But as I loathe Silverbolt, meanwhile adore Wolfang. I choose to make the distinction.
That said, I think the most visually striking design would have been Polarhawk.
Re: Video Review of New Beast Wars Scorponok Reissue (2116772)
Posted by primalxconvoy on September 26th, 2021 @ 8:29am CDT
I've always misread his name as "Wolfgang"...
https://youtu.be/tgZhaFFNVc4
Posted by primalxconvoy on September 26th, 2021 @ 8:29am CDT
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Ewww
I'll always consider Silverbolt a dog, not a wolf. Semantics perhaps. But as I loathe Silverbolt, meanwhile adore Wolfang. I choose to make the distinction.
That said, I think the most visually striking design would have been Polarhawk.
I've always misread his name as "Wolfgang"...
https://youtu.be/tgZhaFFNVc4
Re: Video Review of New Beast Wars Scorponok Reissue (2116773)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on September 26th, 2021 @ 8:51am CDT
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on September 26th, 2021 @ 8:51am CDT
Indeed. It is part of the reason, when I adapted Wolfang into my own writing. A German accent seemed fitting.
Re: Video Review of New Beast Wars Scorponok Reissue (2116776)
Posted by blackeyedprime on September 26th, 2021 @ 9:37am CDT
Posted by blackeyedprime on September 26th, 2021 @ 9:37am CDT
Would have figured that would suit KNein more
Re: Video Review of New Beast Wars Scorponok Reissue (2116780)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on September 26th, 2021 @ 9:41am CDT
K-9, I envisioned more with a really positive and friendly softly spoken voice. An unassuming badass.
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on September 26th, 2021 @ 9:41am CDT
blackeyedprime wrote:Would have figured that would suit KNein more
K-9, I envisioned more with a really positive and friendly softly spoken voice. An unassuming badass.
Re: Video Review of New Beast Wars Scorponok Reissue (2116791)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on September 26th, 2021 @ 9:59am CDT
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on September 26th, 2021 @ 9:59am CDT
The K9 and Cybershark reissues are pleasant surprises that I would pick up, would be neat to have them. and Cybershark is now the only version of that mold I don't have I believe, and with regards to the doggie bot skeleton, only the Predacon Wolfang would be missing to complete that set.
Also really surprised by scorponok, will wait to see what becomes of that
Also really surprised by scorponok, will wait to see what becomes of that
Re: Video Review of New Beast Wars Scorponok Reissue (2116793)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on September 26th, 2021 @ 10:01am CDT
Be aware, he ain't cheap. The only one I found for my set, was in Australia. Postage alone was eyewatering...
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on September 26th, 2021 @ 10:01am CDT
D-Maximal_Primal wrote: only the Predacon Wolfang would be missing to complete that set.
Be aware, he ain't cheap. The only one I found for my set, was in Australia. Postage alone was eyewatering...
Re: Video Review of New Beast Wars Scorponok Reissue (2116796)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on September 26th, 2021 @ 10:09am CDT
I'm not shooting to complete the mold, it was more just an observation. I found an incomplete Wolfang in a $0.25 bin and found all the pieces to complete him, and I bought the Max-B retool to work towards complete a BWII cast (still need Thrustor, but I think he is all I need to finish the BWII Preds along with the Autorollers). So the completionism of the mold is quite incidental.
Same thing happened with the Cybershark mold. I got Sharpedge really cheap to complete the BWN cast, and I got the Cyborg Hellscream at the same time as Max-B and Dirgegun. Just sort of happy accidents that I am as far as I am
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on September 26th, 2021 @ 10:09am CDT
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:D-Maximal_Primal wrote: only the Predacon Wolfang would be missing to complete that set.
Be aware, he ain't cheap. The only one I found for my set, was in Australia. Postage alone was eyewatering...
I'm not shooting to complete the mold, it was more just an observation. I found an incomplete Wolfang in a $0.25 bin and found all the pieces to complete him, and I bought the Max-B retool to work towards complete a BWII cast (still need Thrustor, but I think he is all I need to finish the BWII Preds along with the Autorollers). So the completionism of the mold is quite incidental.
Same thing happened with the Cybershark mold. I got Sharpedge really cheap to complete the BWN cast, and I got the Cyborg Hellscream at the same time as Max-B and Dirgegun. Just sort of happy accidents that I am as far as I am
Re: Video Review of New Beast Wars Scorponok Reissue (2116800)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on September 26th, 2021 @ 10:18am CDT
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on September 26th, 2021 @ 10:18am CDT
I get that. The same incidental thing happened to me. When I ended up collecting the Car Robots Predacons, purely through picking up redecos of figures I already had.
Re: Video Review of New Beast Wars Scorponok Reissue (2116807)
Posted by primalxconvoy on September 26th, 2021 @ 11:48am CDT
For Brits, K9 would probably sound like this:
- https://youtu.be/VYphE0qkxlo
Whereas for some Americans, be might elicit Jim Bulushi's voice:
- https://youtu.be/Thxn5yIBYSI
Posted by primalxconvoy on September 26th, 2021 @ 11:48am CDT
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:blackeyedprime wrote:Would have figured that would suit KNein more
K-9, I envisioned more with a really positive and friendly softly spoken voice. An unassuming badass.
For Brits, K9 would probably sound like this:
- https://youtu.be/VYphE0qkxlo
Whereas for some Americans, be might elicit Jim Bulushi's voice:
- https://youtu.be/Thxn5yIBYSI
Re: Video Review of New Beast Wars Scorponok Reissue (2116808)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on September 26th, 2021 @ 12:04pm CDT
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on September 26th, 2021 @ 12:04pm CDT
Re: Video Review of New Beast Wars Scorponok Reissue (2117024)
Posted by o.supreme on September 28th, 2021 @ 7:05pm CDT
Posted by o.supreme on September 28th, 2021 @ 7:05pm CDT
So I finally saw Cheetor and Rattrap at walmart today. I had no intention of getting them, but it was just nice to see something, anything *new*.
Having seen them in person now, I have to ask, (Seinfeld voice) What's the deal with the overly large cards? (end Seinfeld voice).
I mean I've seen them on Toybiz reproductions of Marvel action figures, and the rerelease of The Real Ghostbusters vintage figures as well (not sure who makes those), and now BW. Also, while MOTU Origins gets it right on most of its action figures, I see battle-Armor He-Man & Skeletor have the overly large ones, and I can't for the life of me understand why. I mean if companies are trying to be environmentally friendly, one would think going with the original (smaller) cardback size would be best, and probably more aesthetically pleasing to adult collectors who want these.
I mean I know the reissues of Original Transformers figures at Walmart didn't mimic the OG packaging look 100%, but they got closer than I've seen on most other reissue lines. (With the exception of Prime without his trailer which wasn't a thing in 84-86)
Having seen them in person now, I have to ask, (Seinfeld voice) What's the deal with the overly large cards? (end Seinfeld voice).
I mean I've seen them on Toybiz reproductions of Marvel action figures, and the rerelease of The Real Ghostbusters vintage figures as well (not sure who makes those), and now BW. Also, while MOTU Origins gets it right on most of its action figures, I see battle-Armor He-Man & Skeletor have the overly large ones, and I can't for the life of me understand why. I mean if companies are trying to be environmentally friendly, one would think going with the original (smaller) cardback size would be best, and probably more aesthetically pleasing to adult collectors who want these.
I mean I know the reissues of Original Transformers figures at Walmart didn't mimic the OG packaging look 100%, but they got closer than I've seen on most other reissue lines. (With the exception of Prime without his trailer which wasn't a thing in 84-86)
Re: Video Review of New Beast Wars Scorponok Reissue (2117027)
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on September 28th, 2021 @ 8:33pm CDT
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on September 28th, 2021 @ 8:33pm CDT
I thought that's how big the old cards were.
Re: Video Review of New Beast Wars Scorponok Reissue (2117029)
Posted by SGMLordMirage on September 28th, 2021 @ 8:42pm CDT
Posted by SGMLordMirage on September 28th, 2021 @ 8:42pm CDT
I finally got to see Megatron, Optimus Primal, and Cheetor, no Rattrap today at a local Walmart. I think for myself, it was cool to see Optimus Primal again, since i had the original back in the day. I didn’t purchase any of them but i know they may become scarce on the shelves so a second attempt to buy any of them might be a long shot. You never know though!
SGM
SGM
Re: Video Review of New Beast Wars Scorponok Reissue (2117035)
Posted by william-james88 on September 28th, 2021 @ 9:52pm CDT
Have there been comparisons with original cards?
Posted by william-james88 on September 28th, 2021 @ 9:52pm CDT
o.supreme wrote:So I finally saw Cheetor and Rattrap at walmart today. I had no intention of getting them, but it was just nice to see something, anything *new*.
Having seen them in person now, I have to ask, (Seinfeld voice) What's the deal with the overly large cards? (end Seinfeld voice).
I mean I've seen them on Toybiz reproductions of Marvel action figures, and the rerelease of The Real Ghostbusters vintage figures as well (not sure who makes those), and now BW. Also, while MOTU Origins gets it right on most of its action figures, I see battle-Armor He-Man & Skeletor have the overly large ones, and I can't for the life of me understand why. I mean if companies are trying to be environmentally friendly, one would think going with the original (smaller) cardback size would be best, and probably more aesthetically pleasing to adult collectors who want these.
I mean I know the reissues of Original Transformers figures at Walmart didn't mimic the OG packaging look 100%, but they got closer than I've seen on most other reissue lines. (With the exception of Prime without his trailer which wasn't a thing in 84-86)
Have there been comparisons with original cards?
Re: Video Review of New Beast Wars Scorponok Reissue (2117037)
Posted by o.supreme on September 28th, 2021 @ 10:24pm CDT
Posted by o.supreme on September 28th, 2021 @ 10:24pm CDT
I've been trying to find comparison pics online unsuccessfully. But I recall the cards for basic figures to be smaller, ( bigger than a current core, but smaller than deluxe), and the card Cheetos is on is way oversized, like the card they would have used for the original Gator/ Bat 2 pack.
If anyone can find a comparison, that would be awesome.
If anyone can find a comparison, that would be awesome.
Re: Video Review of New Beast Wars Scorponok Reissue (2117137)
Posted by Emerje on September 29th, 2021 @ 10:32pm CDT
Posted by Emerje on September 29th, 2021 @ 10:32pm CDT
Picked up Rattrap today, he was the only Beast Wars reissue on the shelves. Funny seeing a Basic figure on a Deluxe card back, but they're selling him at the same price point as Cheetor so they must have wanted to make the cards match. Comparing old Cheetor packages with the reissue, just eyeballing it they appear to be identical sizes.
Emerje
Emerje
Re: Video Review of New Beast Wars Scorponok Reissue (2117165)
Posted by william-james88 on September 30th, 2021 @ 11:29am CDT
Rattrap's card back is smaller than Cheetor's.
Posted by william-james88 on September 30th, 2021 @ 11:29am CDT
Emerje wrote:Picked up Rattrap today, he was the only Beast Wars reissue on the shelves. Funny seeing a Basic figure on a Deluxe card back, but they're selling him at the same price point as Cheetor so they must have wanted to make the cards match. Comparing old Cheetor packages with the reissue, just eyeballing it they appear to be identical sizes.
Emerje
Rattrap's card back is smaller than Cheetor's.
Re: Video Review of New Beast Wars Scorponok Reissue (2117169)
Posted by o.supreme on September 30th, 2021 @ 11:42am CDT
Posted by o.supreme on September 30th, 2021 @ 11:42am CDT
Rattrap being a basic figure is on a card that is basically the equivalent of a modern day deluxe card (I strongly recall Basic figure cards were smaller in the original BW release), whereas Cheetor actually being a deluxe toy, has an overly large sized card compared with his original. At least that's how it felt when I saw them.
I mean they say, things that seem large when you are a kid usually get smaller the older you get, although I was already an adult when BW came out. This would be a case of the opposite though. I may be 100% wrong, however There is a retro toy store near me. If I can visit there over the weekend, hopefully they may have some original BW on card so I can get a comparison.
I do know for a fact though, that the retro ToyBiz Marvel action figures and Real Ghostbusters ones are on larger cards than they originally were in the late 80's/early 90's. Perhaps seeing them is tricking my brain on the BW ones somehow.
I mean they say, things that seem large when you are a kid usually get smaller the older you get, although I was already an adult when BW came out. This would be a case of the opposite though. I may be 100% wrong, however There is a retro toy store near me. If I can visit there over the weekend, hopefully they may have some original BW on card so I can get a comparison.
I do know for a fact though, that the retro ToyBiz Marvel action figures and Real Ghostbusters ones are on larger cards than they originally were in the late 80's/early 90's. Perhaps seeing them is tricking my brain on the BW ones somehow.
Re: Video Review of New Beast Wars Scorponok Reissue (2117375)
Posted by DISCHARGE on October 1st, 2021 @ 7:35pm CDT
A rant:
Such a shame to see walmart mangle these boxes
The security lock seems kinda overboard..
I didn't want that figure anyway, but, even still.
I mean, it was the same cost as leader.. I have never seen them lock up a leader class figure...
Just, no
Posted by DISCHARGE on October 1st, 2021 @ 7:35pm CDT
A rant:
Such a shame to see walmart mangle these boxes
The security lock seems kinda overboard..
I didn't want that figure anyway, but, even still.
I mean, it was the same cost as leader.. I have never seen them lock up a leader class figure...
Just, no
Re: Video Review of New Beast Wars Scorponok Reissue (2117381)
Posted by o.supreme on October 1st, 2021 @ 10:03pm CDT
Posted by o.supreme on October 1st, 2021 @ 10:03pm CDT
You must not have seen any of the pics I took of the reissue Optimus Prime a while back. THAT was a flipping joke with the security tags
Re: Video Review of New Beast Wars Scorponok Reissue (2117410)
Posted by Emerje on October 2nd, 2021 @ 9:53am CDT
Width, but what about height? That still seems wider than the original.
The reissue looks a lot smaller on the card and in the bubble than the original.
Emerje
Posted by Emerje on October 2nd, 2021 @ 9:53am CDT
william-james88 wrote:Rattrap's card back is smaller than Cheetor's.
Width, but what about height? That still seems wider than the original.
The reissue looks a lot smaller on the card and in the bubble than the original.
Emerje
Re: Video Review of New Beast Wars Scorponok Reissue (2117411)
Posted by william-james88 on October 2nd, 2021 @ 9:56am CDT
I simply pointed out that Rattrap and Cheetor were not on cards of the same dimensions qhich is what was implied in your post (or at least read that way). I do think it looks bigger than the original.
Posted by william-james88 on October 2nd, 2021 @ 9:56am CDT
Emerje wrote:william-james88 wrote:Rattrap's card back is smaller than Cheetor's.
Width, but what about height? That still seems wider than the original.
The reissue looks a lot smaller on the card and in the bubble than the original.
Emerje
I simply pointed out that Rattrap and Cheetor were not on cards of the same dimensions qhich is what was implied in your post (or at least read that way). I do think it looks bigger than the original.
Re: Video Review of New Beast Wars Scorponok Reissue (2117436)
Posted by Emerje on October 2nd, 2021 @ 3:17pm CDT
Posted by Emerje on October 2nd, 2021 @ 3:17pm CDT
I've only seen Rattrap in person so I was just assuming they were the exact same sized cards since I thought they were packed in the same case. I don't have my original cards handy (buried in the closet or out in storage) so I can't say if they match or not. You'd think someone by now would have compared the old and new backers. Maybe there's no point because they're no different? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Emerje
Emerje
Re: Video Review of New Beast Wars Scorponok Reissue (2117439)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on October 2nd, 2021 @ 3:52pm CDT
Or most didn't bother keeping them back in '96?
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on October 2nd, 2021 @ 3:52pm CDT
Emerje wrote:I've only seen Rattrap in person so I was just assuming they were the exact same sized cards since I thought they were packed in the same case. I don't have my original cards handy (buried in the closet or out in storage) so I can't say if they match or not. You'd think someone by now would have compared the old and new backers. Maybe there's no point because they're no different? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Emerje
Or most didn't bother keeping them back in '96?
Re: Video Review of New Beast Wars Scorponok Reissue (2117453)
Posted by Emerje on October 2nd, 2021 @ 7:52pm CDT
Maybe I'm expecting too much for there to be MOC collectors out there that also bought these.
Emerje
Posted by Emerje on October 2nd, 2021 @ 7:52pm CDT
Jelze Bunnycat wrote:Emerje wrote:I've only seen Rattrap in person so I was just assuming they were the exact same sized cards since I thought they were packed in the same case. I don't have my original cards handy (buried in the closet or out in storage) so I can't say if they match or not. You'd think someone by now would have compared the old and new backers. Maybe there's no point because they're no different? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Emerje
Or most didn't bother keeping them back in '96?
Maybe I'm expecting too much for there to be MOC collectors out there that also bought these.
Emerje
Re: Video Review of New Beast Wars Scorponok Reissue (2117471)
Posted by Sabrblade on October 2nd, 2021 @ 11:34pm CDT
The Rattrap I've had since its original release (well, actually, it was originally my brother's, but I inherited it from him. I had my own Walrat back then too, but opened it, and still have it).
Windrazor was purchased from eBay a few short years ago, while Tripredacus Agent and Icebird were both purchased at RoboCon 2019. The seller had other MOC Beast Wars toys.
Posted by Sabrblade on October 2nd, 2021 @ 11:34pm CDT
I still have a MOC Walmart Transmetal Rattrap and Tripredacus Agent. I also still have Mutant Beast Wars Icebird's opened packaging, and BotCon 1999 Windrazor's opened packaging.Emerje wrote:Jelze Bunnycat wrote:Emerje wrote:I've only seen Rattrap in person so I was just assuming they were the exact same sized cards since I thought they were packed in the same case. I don't have my original cards handy (buried in the closet or out in storage) so I can't say if they match or not. You'd think someone by now would have compared the old and new backers. Maybe there's no point because they're no different? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Emerje
Or most didn't bother keeping them back in '96?
Maybe I'm expecting too much for there to be MOC collectors out there that also bought these.
Emerje
The Rattrap I've had since its original release (well, actually, it was originally my brother's, but I inherited it from him. I had my own Walrat back then too, but opened it, and still have it).
Windrazor was purchased from eBay a few short years ago, while Tripredacus Agent and Icebird were both purchased at RoboCon 2019. The seller had other MOC Beast Wars toys.
Re: Video Review of New Beast Wars Scorponok Reissue (2117473)
Posted by o.supreme on October 2nd, 2021 @ 11:43pm CDT
Cool. Since those 2 are deluxe on card, can you by chance compare them to the recent Cheetor Reissue to confirm if the Cheetor card is in fact bigger? Or even if you could provide the dimensions of any original BW deluxe card? Then next time I or anybody else here sees the new Cheetor's at Walmart we can compare.
Posted by o.supreme on October 2nd, 2021 @ 11:43pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:I still have a MOC Walmart Transmetal Rattrap and Tripredacus Agent.
Cool. Since those 2 are deluxe on card, can you by chance compare them to the recent Cheetor Reissue to confirm if the Cheetor card is in fact bigger? Or even if you could provide the dimensions of any original BW deluxe card? Then next time I or anybody else here sees the new Cheetor's at Walmart we can compare.
Re: Video Review of New Beast Wars Scorponok Reissue (2117475)
Posted by Sabrblade on October 2nd, 2021 @ 11:53pm CDT
Though, keep in mind that they use the 1999-2000 style packaging for Transmetal 2s and Fox Kids redecos, which may possibly differ from the dimensions of the 1996 Deluxe cardbacks.
Posted by Sabrblade on October 2nd, 2021 @ 11:53pm CDT
I would if my Walmarts would actually carry them. Either their shelves are empty or they still have some Retro Headmasters taking up that space.o.supreme wrote:Sabrblade wrote:I still have a MOC Walmart Transmetal Rattrap and Tripredacus Agent.
Cool. Since those 2 are deluxe on card, can you by chance compare them to the recent Cheetor Reissue to confirm if the Cheetor card is in fact bigger?
I just measured the cardbacks for both Tripredacus Agent and Icebird. Both are Deluxe cardbacks that are just a smidge shorter than 12 inches tall and just under 8 1/2 inches wide.o.supreme wrote:Or even if you could provide the dimensions of any original BW deluxe card? Then next time I or anybody else here sees the new Cheetor's at Walmart we can compare.
Though, keep in mind that they use the 1999-2000 style packaging for Transmetal 2s and Fox Kids redecos, which may possibly differ from the dimensions of the 1996 Deluxe cardbacks.
Re: Video Review of New Beast Wars Scorponok Reissue (2117569)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on October 4th, 2021 @ 7:28pm CDT
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on October 4th, 2021 @ 7:28pm CDT
Still waiting to see those guys, I hope to actually see them in store and pick one up
Re: Video Review of New Beast Wars Scorponok Reissue (2117667)
Posted by o.supreme on October 5th, 2021 @ 7:20pm CDT
Well I am shocked. I measured reissue Cheetor today at Walmart and it is the same (just under 12 inches tall by 8 1/2 inches wide) I could have sworn the cardbacks for deluxes were smaller back then...especially since I worked at retail and saw all of them come case fresh from 1996-1998. I am pretty sure they were all the same size even the latter Fox Kids releases. So I was wrong.
Basic Rattrap is the same height (just under 12 inches), but only 7 inches wide. *If someone has an old school basic card they can measure for comparison?
Also just for grins, though I'm not contesting it, The Supreme Boxes were 9 1/2 inches tall by 11 wide (forgot to get the depth
)
Posted by o.supreme on October 5th, 2021 @ 7:20pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:I just measured the cardbacks for both Tripredacus Agent and Icebird. Both are Deluxe cardbacks that are just a smidge shorter than 12 inches tall and just under 8 1/2 inches wide.
Though, keep in mind that they use the 1999-2000 style packaging for Transmetal 2s and Fox Kids redecos, which may possibly differ from the dimensions of the 1996 Deluxe cardbacks.
Well I am shocked. I measured reissue Cheetor today at Walmart and it is the same (just under 12 inches tall by 8 1/2 inches wide) I could have sworn the cardbacks for deluxes were smaller back then...especially since I worked at retail and saw all of them come case fresh from 1996-1998. I am pretty sure they were all the same size even the latter Fox Kids releases. So I was wrong.
Basic Rattrap is the same height (just under 12 inches), but only 7 inches wide. *If someone has an old school basic card they can measure for comparison?
Also just for grins, though I'm not contesting it, The Supreme Boxes were 9 1/2 inches tall by 11 wide (forgot to get the depth
)
Re: Video Review of New Beast Wars Scorponok Reissue (2117694)
Posted by william-james88 on October 6th, 2021 @ 6:20am CDT
For the record, Cheetor's card looked bigger to me too than what I remembered as a kid.
Posted by william-james88 on October 6th, 2021 @ 6:20am CDT
o.supreme wrote:Sabrblade wrote:I just measured the cardbacks for both Tripredacus Agent and Icebird. Both are Deluxe cardbacks that are just a smidge shorter than 12 inches tall and just under 8 1/2 inches wide.
Though, keep in mind that they use the 1999-2000 style packaging for Transmetal 2s and Fox Kids redecos, which may possibly differ from the dimensions of the 1996 Deluxe cardbacks.
Well I am shocked. I measured reissue Cheetor today at Walmart and it is the same (just under 12 inches tall by 8 1/2 inches wide) I could have sworn the cardbacks for deluxes were smaller back then...especially since I worked at retail and saw all of them come case fresh from 1996-1998. I am pretty sure they were all the same size even the latter Fox Kids releases. So I was wrong.
Basic Rattrap is the same height (just under 12 inches), but only 7 inches wide. *If someone has an old school basic card they can measure for comparison?
Also just for grins, though I'm not contesting it, The Supreme Boxes were 9 1/2 inches tall by 11 wide (forgot to get the depth
For the record, Cheetor's card looked bigger to me too than what I remembered as a kid.
Re: Video Review of New Beast Wars Scorponok Reissue (2118210)
Posted by o.supreme on October 10th, 2021 @ 5:21pm CDT
Posted by o.supreme on October 10th, 2021 @ 5:21pm CDT
Family reunion at Walmart
Re: Video Review of New Beast Wars Scorponok Reissue (2118215)
Posted by Sabrblade on October 10th, 2021 @ 6:30pm CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on October 10th, 2021 @ 6:30pm CDT
So, I just checked my Walmart and all four of them were there. But, I won't be getting any of them since I already have the 10th Anniverary Optimus Primal and Megatron, the Telemocha Series Cheetor, and the 1997 show-accurate Takara redeco of Rattrap. But I sure was tempted.
Anyway, I examined the cardbacks for Cheetor and Rattrap, and for those who've been saying that they seem different from the originals, whether in size or whatnot, I do gotta agree. While the size of the cardbacks is unchanged, there is something that just feels... "off" about them.
Like I said earlier in this thread, I still have some vintage BW cardbacks from 1999-2000, so I have ready access to tangible cardbacks from back then. Compared to those, the cardboard of these reissues feels... not "thinner" per se but definitely more flimsy. While BW cardbacks could always bend somewhat, these ones for Cheetor and Rattrap feel very flexible, while my vintage ones feel stronger and studier after all these years.
Plus, I think I may have figured out what's creating the optical illusion of the cardbacks seeming bigger. It could be that the packaging bubbles (which house the figure) might be smaller. They don't look as wide as the ought to be, so if they are smaller, that would make the cardbacks look bigger.
Granted, I didn't have many pre-Transmetals figures back in the day, so I have very little experience with the Basic and Deluxe packaging of 1996-1997 that these reissues are trying to replicate.
Anyway, I examined the cardbacks for Cheetor and Rattrap, and for those who've been saying that they seem different from the originals, whether in size or whatnot, I do gotta agree. While the size of the cardbacks is unchanged, there is something that just feels... "off" about them.
Like I said earlier in this thread, I still have some vintage BW cardbacks from 1999-2000, so I have ready access to tangible cardbacks from back then. Compared to those, the cardboard of these reissues feels... not "thinner" per se but definitely more flimsy. While BW cardbacks could always bend somewhat, these ones for Cheetor and Rattrap feel very flexible, while my vintage ones feel stronger and studier after all these years.
Plus, I think I may have figured out what's creating the optical illusion of the cardbacks seeming bigger. It could be that the packaging bubbles (which house the figure) might be smaller. They don't look as wide as the ought to be, so if they are smaller, that would make the cardbacks look bigger.
Granted, I didn't have many pre-Transmetals figures back in the day, so I have very little experience with the Basic and Deluxe packaging of 1996-1997 that these reissues are trying to replicate.
Re: Video Review of New Beast Wars Scorponok Reissue (2118608)
Posted by Sabrblade on October 16th, 2021 @ 12:05am CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on October 16th, 2021 @ 12:05am CDT
So, according to this Tweet, Rattrap is apparently a brand new recreated mold and not the original pulled out of storage or something - https://twitter.com/BladeGnome/status/1449142151389061122
