Video Review of Cyberverse Warrior Starscream Reveals Gimmick and Lack of Leg Articulation

That Starscream is pathetic I don't care who gives me the 'it's just for kids' argument, kids can have a toy that's decently made. You know, with a line of toys that has one steps, 3 steps, and scouts that are gimmicky, simple, and lack articulation, it make you wonder why they decided to restrict the warrior figures? Say what you want about RID have so many gimmicky toys, but at least it had a decent line of Warriors, so there's something for anybody. Here's hoping they'll get better in later waves.

Reminds me of Dezaras' metal eating gun pose.

i never puts out final judgement and decision until i saw a video review. with RID, even is there are a lot of gimmick line, at least their warrior class are fun, with decent articulation and interesting transformation. my first impression with RID was not good, but the video reviews of the warrior class change that. significantly. with cyberverse however, my first impression of them are less than meh. and the video review that is out so far, none can bring my impression up to above meh. i know there are definitely people who will love this line, but sadly i can't see myself being one of them right now. here's hoping there's a cyberverse figure that actually got my interest, or else 2019 will be kinda dry for me.

What angers me the most is that they insist on insulting children's intelligence by thinking they won't care that their toy looks and feels bad, not only is the gimmick weak in both ambition and execution, but it also is completely barren of any paint from the waist down. It's like this was a knockoff.
How can Shockwave be so food and Starscream so pathetic IN THE SAME LINE?

sorry to say that none of the toys that came after TF Prime/Beasthunters will ever live up to the same standards, i get these are geared for kids and thats great but what we got a decade ago from the tv shows was far better, its like they put most of the effort to make the toys interesting on the generations and movie lines and left the cartoon line lacking
the new show interests me and i like the designs i just wish they gave a bigger crap about the toys

william-james88 wrote:The recent review of Transformers Cyberverse warrior Shockwave thought us that some toys in this line could be solid. Well, now we have a review for warrior Starscream which teaches us that some toys in this line can also be exactly what fans expected. Xortrider has just uploaded his review of the figure and we learn some tidbits we were all unaware of before.

For one we now know the toy's action gimmick, which is that the torso can spin when wound up. Also, we learn that his legs are on the same joint and are devoid of any articulation like knees, thigh swivel or ankle tilt (basically like G1 Jumpstarters but with an extra hip joint).

So let us know what you think? Do you think at least your kids will like this Starscream?

Enjoy the review!

I didn’t need video review of figure to tell me there is no knee articulation I know that by looking toy picture waist toroso spin around round up feature is nice surprise

Running 3 or 4 different lines at the same time is totally %&$#!$ stupid! They need to drop this baby crap that doesn't sell & just concentrate on Generations.

Seems Shockwave ate the rest of the budget for the toyline.

Black Hat wrote:Seems Shockwave ate the rest of the budget for the toyline.

It's only logical that, if there's going to be only one good toy in the line, it has to be Shockwave.

The Star Wars fans are boycotting the crap Disney is making. Why can't the Transformers fan do the same? Don't buy this over-priced low quality crap. Buy Generations, Studio Series or Masterpiece. Simply leave this garbage rotting on the pegs. Maybe then Hasbro will get the message.

As long as you keep buying it, Hasbro is going to keep making it.

Aimless Misfire wrote:Running 3 or 4 different lines at the same time is totally %&$#!$ stupid! They need to drop this baby crap that doesn't sell & just concentrate on Generations.

That assumes Generations toys sell well. The truckloads of unsold wave 1 Rodimus Prime toys at my Walmart says otherwise.

I hate this toy that wasn't made for me. I know they make other toys for me, but that isn't enough. They should stop making toys that aren't for me and only make toys for me.

AcademyofDrX wrote:I hate this toy that wasn't made for me. I know they make other toys for me, but that isn't enough. They should stop making toys that aren't for me and only make toys for me.

Very well said, and welcome to seibertron

Aimless, kids buy these. Does that mean you're going to run up to little kids wanting to buy the toys of the characters they've been watching, and tell them they can't because you don't like them? Can't see that working out well

Better yet imagine someone doing that when g1 toys were on shelves...

ZeroWolf wrote:

AcademyofDrX wrote:I hate this toy that wasn't made for me. I know they make other toys for me, but that isn't enough. They should stop making toys that aren't for me and only make toys for me.

Very well said, and welcome to seibertron

Aimless, kids buy these. Does that mean you're going to run up to little kids wanting to buy the toys of the characters they've been watching, and tell them they can't because you don't like them? Can't see that working out well

Better yet imagine someone doing that when g1 toys were on shelves...

I think that's a brilliant idea. In fact let's go further and rip the toys out of kids hands, what's the worst that can happen?

chuckdawg1999 wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

AcademyofDrX wrote:I hate this toy that wasn't made for me. I know they make other toys for me, but that isn't enough. They should stop making toys that aren't for me and only make toys for me.

Very well said, and welcome to seibertron

Aimless, kids buy these. Does that mean you're going to run up to little kids wanting to buy the toys of the characters they've been watching, and tell them they can't because you don't like them? Can't see that working out well

Better yet imagine someone doing that when g1 toys were on shelves...

I think that's a brilliant idea. In fact let's go further and rip the toys out of kids hands, what's the worst that can happen?

I don't think we need to go that far but I think kids deserve better like how it was for me as a kid during g1 I was in awe with the toys, I don't see that with these

william-james88 wrote:

Aimless Misfire wrote:Running 3 or 4 different lines at the same time is totally %&$#!$ stupid! They need to drop this baby crap that doesn't sell & just concentrate on Generations.

That assumes Generations toys sell well. The truckloads of unsold wave 1 Rodimus Prime toys at my Walmart says otherwise.

From my experience in shopping in store primarily for my collecting rather than online, Generations suffers from:
1) Not having a serie or movies kids are into.
2) Parents thinking buying the cheaper, dumber figure is better because 'kids are stupid'.
You have no idea how often I saw a kid wanting to buy either a Generations, TLK or Studio Series figure only for the dumb parent to snatch it out of their hands, check how many steps it has and put it back on the peg and shove a one-step changer onto the kid who eventually cave in. Parents aren't inclined to buy the more complex figures which have been a mainstay of Transformers because they think it's 'too complicated' for their child.

Even if the line was just decent/'normal' figures I suspect that Generations would still suffer because it's done in a style and with characters many kids don't know. By that I mean the young kids, under 8-9 aka the only demographic that still buy toys beside us manchildren. Anything older is into video games or watching dumbass youtubers.

Ultra Markus wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

AcademyofDrX wrote:I hate this toy that wasn't made for me. I know they make other toys for me, but that isn't enough. They should stop making toys that aren't for me and only make toys for me.

Very well said, and welcome to seibertron

Aimless, kids buy these. Does that mean you're going to run up to little kids wanting to buy the toys of the characters they've been watching, and tell them they can't because you don't like them? Can't see that working out well

Better yet imagine someone doing that when g1 toys were on shelves...

I think that's a brilliant idea. In fact let's go further and rip the toys out of kids hands, what's the worst that can happen?

I don't think we need to go that far but I think kids deserve better like how it was for me as a kid during g1 I was in awe with the toys, I don't see that with these

You were in awe with the jumpstarters? Not all of g1 was gold.

ZeroWolf wrote:You were in awe with the jumpstarters?

HA! I was actually going to respond the exact same line.

william-james88 wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:You were in awe with the jumpstarters?

HA! I was actually going to respond the exact same line.

It's easy for us as adults to pick these apart but we're never going to see things the way a child would, no matter what. I can imagine that some people could have easily been the same with the g1 toys, especially as the line went on. If these toys draw more kids into the fandom then, you know what? More power to them.

william-james88 wrote:

Aimless Misfire wrote:Running 3 or 4 different lines at the same time is totally %&$#!$ stupid! They need to drop this baby crap that doesn't sell & just concentrate on Generations.

That assumes Generations toys sell well. The truckloads of unsold wave 1 Rodimus Prime toys at my Walmart says otherwise.

It might just be my area but, in general, Leader sell less than Voyager who sell less than deluxe. Not to mention there are other factors, such as:
1) An over-abundance of Wave 1.
2) Rodimus Prime is a nobody to anyone not familliar with the '80 movie and season 3 compared to, you know, goddamn Optimus Prime. I suspect Optimal Optimus will do just as bad. Fortunately this one is a figure I do intend to get, unlike regular Rodimus.

william-james88 wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:You were in awe with the jumpstarters?

HA! I was actually going to respond the exact same line.

You took my comment out of context!
You should know better than try to be smart with me
Where you a kid back then?, no?
Then don't judge!
I was referring the cars like jazz and bluestreak the seekers even shockwave and soundwave, yes they had simple transformations and little to no articulation but the detail was there
I don't see that with the current tv show toys

Ultra Markus wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:You were in awe with the jumpstarters?

HA! I was actually going to respond the exact same line.

You took my comment out of context!
You should know better than try to be smart with me
Where you a kid back then?, no?
Then don't judge!
I was referring the cars like jazz and bluestreak the seekers even shockwave and soundwave, yes they had simple transformations and little to no articulation but the detail was there
I don't see that with the current tv show toys

Also doesn't help that what came out back in the 80s was pretty new, innovating, and revolutionary back then. After 30+ years, what was new and awe-inspiring to kids back then isn't so much anymore to us cynical adults of today.

Sabrblade wrote:

Ultra Markus wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:You were in awe with the jumpstarters?

HA! I was actually going to respond the exact same line.

You took my comment out of context!
You should know better than try to be smart with me
Where you a kid back then?, no?
Then don't judge!
I was referring the cars like jazz and bluestreak the seekers even shockwave and soundwave, yes they had simple transformations and little to no articulation but the detail was there
I don't see that with the current tv show toys

Also doesn't help that what came out back in the 80s was pretty new, innovating, and revolutionary back then. After 30+ years, what was new and awe-inspiring to kids back then isn't so much anymore to us cynical adults of today.

Exactly!

I was completely in awe of the Jumpstarters when they first came out. Watching them roll across the dining room table and then jump to their feet in robot mode was mind blowing to my simple 5 year old brain. I broke the plastic hook on Topspin from playing with him so much.

Emerje

Ultra Markus wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Ultra Markus wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:You were in awe with the jumpstarters?

HA! I was actually going to respond the exact same line.

You took my comment out of context!
You should know better than try to be smart with me
Where you a kid back then?, no?
Then don't judge!
I was referring the cars like jazz and bluestreak the seekers even shockwave and soundwave, yes they had simple transformations and little to no articulation but the detail was there
I don't see that with the current tv show toys

Also doesn't help that what came out back in the 80s was pretty new, innovating, and revolutionary back then. After 30+ years, what was new and awe-inspiring to kids back then isn't so much anymore to us cynical adults of today.

Exactly!

Yeah, so, to put it another way, if we had somehow never gotten the G1 stuff back in the 1980s, but did still get everything post-G1 (let's pretend for this hypothetical scenario that the Transformers began with, say, the latter G2 stuff in 1994 or 1995 instead), if we were to instead get the G1 stuff, for the first time ever, in this day and age, the 1980s engineering of those toys wouldn't be as impressive after all the other more advanced stuff that had come before. At most, it would be seen as a sort of novelty of quaintness, which the non-Warrior class toys of this line can best be described as. The 1980s were the right time and place for the G1 stuff to come out, and with the non-Warriors of this line evoking that level of gimmickry and simplicity, they feel more like product of the 1980s' time than of today. A 30+ year regression in Transformers toy engineering.

Oh dear.... Compared to Shockwave, Starscream is sad, sad, SAD!
So far, only Warrior Shockwave is on my radar.

MaverickPrime wrote:What angers me the most is that they insist on insulting children's intelligence by thinking they won't care that their toy looks and feels bad, not only is the gimmick weak in both ambition and execution, but it also is completely barren of any paint from the waist down. It's like this was a knockoff.
How can Shockwave be so food and Starscream so pathetic IN THE SAME LINE?

I'd eat up that Shockwave.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

MaverickPrime wrote:What angers me the most is that they insist on insulting children's intelligence by thinking they won't care that their toy looks and feels bad, not only is the gimmick weak in both ambition and execution, but it also is completely barren of any paint from the waist down. It's like this was a knockoff.
How can Shockwave be so food and Starscream so pathetic IN THE SAME LINE?

I'd eat up that Shockwave.

Such a grape looking figure, ain't he?

AcademyofDrX wrote:I hate this toy that wasn't made for me. I know they make other toys for me, but that isn't enough. They should stop making toys that aren't for me and only make toys for me.

HAHA!

That's one awesome first post!

Sabrblade wrote:

Ultra Markus wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Ultra Markus wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:You were in awe with the jumpstarters?

HA! I was actually going to respond the exact same line.

You took my comment out of context!
You should know better than try to be smart with me
Where you a kid back then?, no?
Then don't judge!
I was referring the cars like jazz and bluestreak the seekers even shockwave and soundwave, yes they had simple transformations and little to no articulation but the detail was there
I don't see that with the current tv show toys

Also doesn't help that what came out back in the 80s was pretty new, innovating, and revolutionary back then. After 30+ years, what was new and awe-inspiring to kids back then isn't so much anymore to us cynical adults of today.

Exactly!

Yeah, so, to put it another way, if we had somehow never gotten the G1 stuff back in the 1980s, but did still get everything post-G1 (let's pretend for this hypothetical scenario that the Transformers began with, say, the latter G2 stuff in 1994 or 1995 instead), if we were to instead get the G1 stuff, for the first time ever, in this day and age, the 1980s engineering of those toys wouldn't be as impressive after all the other more advanced stuff that had come before. At most, it would be seen as a sort of novelty of quaintness, which the non-Warrior class toys of this line can best be described as. The 1980s were the right time and place for the G1 stuff to come out, and with the non-Warriors of this line evoking that level of gimmickry and simplicity, they feel more like product of the 1980s' time than of today. A 30+ year regression in Transformers toy engineering.

That's what Hasbro did with Star Wars, why not do it with TFs too

Sabrblade wrote:

Ultra Markus wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Ultra Markus wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:You were in awe with the jumpstarters?

HA! I was actually going to respond the exact same line.

You took my comment out of context!
You should know better than try to be smart with me
Where you a kid back then?, no?
Then don't judge!
I was referring the cars like jazz and bluestreak the seekers even shockwave and soundwave, yes they had simple transformations and little to no articulation but the detail was there
I don't see that with the current tv show toys

Also doesn't help that what came out back in the 80s was pretty new, innovating, and revolutionary back then. After 30+ years, what was new and awe-inspiring to kids back then isn't so much anymore to us cynical adults of today.

Exactly!

Yeah, so, to put it another way, if we had somehow never gotten the G1 stuff back in the 1980s, but did still get everything post-G1 (let's pretend for this hypothetical scenario that the Transformers began with, say, the latter G2 stuff in 1994 or 1995 instead), if we were to instead get the G1 stuff, for the first time ever, in this day and age, the 1980s engineering of those toys wouldn't be as impressive after all the other more advanced stuff that had come before. At most, it would be seen as a sort of novelty of quaintness, which the non-Warrior class toys of this line can best be described as. The 1980s were the right time and place for the G1 stuff to come out, and with the non-Warriors of this line evoking that level of gimmickry and simplicity, they feel more like product of the 1980s' time than of today. A 30+ year regression in Transformers toy engineering.

but to say the least though when i was a kid back then it was new i never had anything like it, i thought it was the coolest thing ever, a car turning into a robot and all the diecast and chrome detail goodness that came with it the rubber tires and the fact they didnt feel hollow and cheap
and all the generations of main line TF's that came after didnt have that cheapness feel to it
untill the 2015 RID line and now Cyberverse which looks worse! kids deserve better from hasbro and takara
if i was 10 again i think i would be more into the movie lines than anything
everything else beside the generations and masterpiece would feel like Fisher Price baby toys

Tbh I don't see the big point in tgis toyline. There have been massive complaints and already bad reviews of the toys, but Hasbro might not even care about that, or the fact that more than half of TF fans are adults that collect toys and buy good figures in bulk...nope....just want to make shitty pieces of plastic that even kids won't enjoy much. I mean...Starscream might as well be a Happy Meal toy. That's what he looks like to me. Shockwave is less horrible, but his weapon gimmick is also weird. Would be better if tge "missiles" shot out, if that's even what they are. Also...the cartoon won't even be a full 30 minute cartoon on normal TV...so most kids won't even watch it. Why make that at all? What is going wrong with Hasbro?

Most kids are already used to 10 min episode format as that's what teen titans go uses, adventure time, regular show, amazing world of gumball, the new Ben ten, whatever the new thundercats cartoon is...Cyberverse is formatted the way it is because it's what's popular currently with kids. These toys will probably sell well with the kids and parents who solely buy for kids. None of us here are capable of seeing things as a child anymore, try as we might because we weren't brought up in the same world as kids of today (for better or worse). Can anyone of us say we knew how to fully use YouTube at two year old?

Kids just have enough attention span for 10 minutes cartoons... Not to sound like an old man, but DAMN, this generation suck.

(The new generation suck no matter what. It's a rule!)

-Kanrabat- wrote:Kids just have enough attention span for 10 minutes cartoons... Not to sound like an old man, but DAMN, this generation suck.

(The new generation suck no matter what. It's a rule!)

To be fair, that's what the previous generation said about us

ZeroWolf wrote:Most kids are already used to 10 min episode format as that's what teen titans go uses, adventure time, regular show, amazing world of gumball, the new Ben ten, whatever the new thundercats cartoon is...Cyberverse is formatted the way it is because it's what's popular currently with kids. These toys will probably sell well with the kids and parents who solely buy for kids. None of us here are capable of seeing things as a child anymore, try as we might because we weren't brought up in the same world as kids of today (for better or worse). Can anyone of us say we knew how to fully use YouTube at two year old?

I've watched Gumball, Regular Show, and Adventure Time, and I swore they were on longer? Or maybe that's because they put on another episode after? In any case, I see your point. It seems like the new generation is regressing though imo. I don't have a kid of my own yet, but when I do have one, I want to take time for them to teach them many things and hopefully how to enjoy playing with toys and going outside to play.

Eh, 11-minute episodes has been the format for a gajillion cartoons since practically forever. It's only the action cartoon genre that's really avoided it that much until recently.

Chibi Starscream wrote:
I've watched Gumball, Regular Show, and Adventure Time, and I swore they were on longer? Or maybe that's because they put on another episode after?

Yes, they do that sometimes, but they could do it with this show too. Or pair it with another 10 minute show.

But that should by no means be relevant in a toyline selling well or not. DC Super hero girls is a 5 minute show on Youtube and that is backing up an entire toyline that is selling fine (plus Legos, and books all based on that 5 min show).

And Justice League Action is also 10 minutes long.

Its just a new trend and it doesnt seem to be doing poorly.

Sabrblade wrote:Eh, 11-minute episodes has been the format for a gajillion cartoons since practically forever. It's only the action cartoon genre that's really avoided it that much until recently.

I dont remember it being around in the 90s and early 00's

william-james88 wrote:

Chibi Starscream wrote:
I've watched Gumball, Regular Show, and Adventure Time, and I swore they were on longer? Or maybe that's because they put on another episode after?

Yes, they do that sometimes, but they could do it with this show too. Or pair it with another 10 minute show.

But that should by no means be relevant in a toyline selling well or not. DC Super hero girls is a 5 minute show on Youtube and that is backing up an entire toyline that is selling fine (plus Legos, and books all based on that 5 min show).

And Justice League Action is also 10 minutes long.

Its just a new trend and it doesnt seem to be doing poorly.

I see...okie dokie then. I guess we just wait and see what happens. If it works, great. If it doesn't, who knows what will happen.

Chibi Starscream wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Chibi Starscream wrote:
I've watched Gumball, Regular Show, and Adventure Time, and I swore they were on longer? Or maybe that's because they put on another episode after?

Yes, they do that sometimes, but they could do it with this show too. Or pair it with another 10 minute show.

But that should by no means be relevant in a toyline selling well or not. DC Super hero girls is a 5 minute show on Youtube and that is backing up an entire toyline that is selling fine (plus Legos, and books all based on that 5 min show).

And Justice League Action is also 10 minutes long.

Its just a new trend and it doesnt seem to be doing poorly.

I see...okie dokie then. I guess we just wait and see what happens. If it works, great. If it doesn't, who knows what will happen.

If it doesnt, they will just try again with another line.

william-james88 wrote:

Chibi Starscream wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Chibi Starscream wrote:
I've watched Gumball, Regular Show, and Adventure Time, and I swore they were on longer? Or maybe that's because they put on another episode after?

Yes, they do that sometimes, but they could do it with this show too. Or pair it with another 10 minute show.

But that should by no means be relevant in a toyline selling well or not. DC Super hero girls is a 5 minute show on Youtube and that is backing up an entire toyline that is selling fine (plus Legos, and books all based on that 5 min show).

And Justice League Action is also 10 minutes long.

Its just a new trend and it doesnt seem to be doing poorly.

I see...okie dokie then. I guess we just wait and see what happens. If it works, great. If it doesn't, who knows what will happen.

If it doesnt, they will just try again with another line.

Yah. Well, for us, I hope they keep making Generations lines and MPs.

Can't see either of those lines stopping.

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Eh, 11-minute episodes has been the format for a gajillion cartoons since practically forever. It's only the action cartoon genre that's really avoided it that much until recently.

I dont remember it being around in the 90s and early 00's

Almost every Nicktoon ever made back then and nearly all the Cartoon Cartoons used it.

Doug, Rugrats, Ren & Stimpy, Rocko's Modern Life, Aaahh!!! Real Monsters, Hey Arnold!, CatDog (this one even had some filler eps of even shorter length!), Rocket Power, The Fairly OddParents, Invader Zim, Jimmy Neutron, My Life as a Teenage Robot, Cow and Chicken, The Powerpuff Girls, Ed, Edd, n' Eddy, Courage the Cowardly Dog, Time Squad, The Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy, Whatever Happened to... Robot Jones?, Codename: Kids Next Door, Camp Lazlo, and My Gym Partner's a Monkey, to name a handful.

Plus, some others from back then had segments of even shorter length, such as ChalkZone, Dexter's Laboratory, Johhny Bravo, Grim & Evil, Evil Con Carne, and Hi Hi Puffy AmiYumi all having three- or four-segment episodes instead of two-segment episodes like those listed above.

Skritz wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Aimless Misfire wrote:Running 3 or 4 different lines at the same time is totally %&$#!$ stupid! They need to drop this baby crap that doesn't sell & just concentrate on Generations.

That assumes Generations toys sell well. The truckloads of unsold wave 1 Rodimus Prime toys at my Walmart says otherwise.

From my experience in shopping in store primarily for my collecting rather than online, Generations suffers from:
1) Not having a serie or movies kids are into.
2) Parents thinking buying the cheaper, dumber figure is better because 'kids are stupid'.
You have no idea how often I saw a kid wanting to buy either a Generations, TLK or Studio Series figure only for the dumb parent to snatch it out of their hands, check how many steps it has and put it back on the peg and shove a one-step changer onto the kid who eventually cave in. Parents aren't inclined to buy the more complex figures which have been a mainstay of Transformers because they think it's 'too complicated' for their child.

Even if the line was just decent/'normal' figures I suspect that Generations would still suffer because it's done in a style and with characters many kids don't know. By that I mean the young kids, under 8-9 aka the only demographic that still buy toys beside us manchildren. Anything older is into video games or watching dumbass youtubers.

regarding the parent thing, it is not that they think their kids is stupid. It is because the one that will transform it is them, not the kids. Back on our childhood, we try to figure it out ourselves. Kids thesw days don't bother. They would go swooshing the vehicle mode, and then immediately give it to their parent to transform it while they wait with their gadget, play with the robot a bit, then ask the parents to transform it back, which after a while becomes annoying for parents.

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Eh, 11-minute episodes has been the format for a gajillion cartoons since practically forever. It's only the action cartoon genre that's really avoided it that much until recently.

I dont remember it being around in the 90s and early 00's

Almost every Nicktoon ever made back then and nearly all the Cartoon Cartoons used it.

Doug, Rugrats, Ren & Stimpy, Rocko's Modern Life, Aaahh!!! Real Monsters, Hey Arnold!, CatDog (this one even had some filler eps of even shorter length!), Rocket Power, The Fairly OddParents, Invader Zim, Jimmy Neutron, My Life as a Teenage Robot, Cow and Chicken, The Powerpuff Girls, Ed, Edd, n' Eddy, Courage the Cowardly Dog, Time Squad, The Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy, Whatever Happened to... Robot Jones?, Codename: Kids Next Door, Camp Lazlo, and My Gym Partner's a Monkey, to name a handful.

Plus, some others from back then had segments of even shorter length, such as ChalkZone, Dexter's Laboratory, Johhny Bravo, Grim & Evil, Evil Con Carne, and Hi Hi Puffy AmiYumi all having three- or four-segment episodes instead of two-segment episodes like those listed above.

Ok I see where the confusion lies. You are talking segments, I was talking episode length. I do consider them to be different. Like the Looney tunes or animaniacs, they had segments but it was still a 22 minute show.

With Gumball, for instance, if I look up a particular episode, I will get a 10 minute episode. But with Doug, for example, if i look up an episode I get the full 22 minute one (I thnk?).

Now, how does this actually make a difference or matter? Beats me.

And I remember how my parents said I was lazy. This generation of kids is a whole new level of lazy.

As a parent, I think my kid is stupid. Why? Because she likes the Last Jedi. Dumb 3 year old, Luke catching a fish is not that cool!!!!

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Eh, 11-minute episodes has been the format for a gajillion cartoons since practically forever. It's only the action cartoon genre that's really avoided it that much until recently.

I dont remember it being around in the 90s and early 00's

Almost every Nicktoon ever made back then and nearly all the Cartoon Cartoons used it.

Doug, Rugrats, Ren & Stimpy, Rocko's Modern Life, Aaahh!!! Real Monsters, Hey Arnold!, CatDog (this one even had some filler eps of even shorter length!), Rocket Power, The Fairly OddParents, Invader Zim, Jimmy Neutron, My Life as a Teenage Robot, Cow and Chicken, The Powerpuff Girls, Ed, Edd, n' Eddy, Courage the Cowardly Dog, Time Squad, The Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy, Whatever Happened to... Robot Jones?, Codename: Kids Next Door, Camp Lazlo, and My Gym Partner's a Monkey, to name a handful.

Plus, some others from back then had segments of even shorter length, such as ChalkZone, Dexter's Laboratory, Johhny Bravo, Grim & Evil, Evil Con Carne, and Hi Hi Puffy AmiYumi all having three- or four-segment episodes instead of two-segment episodes like those listed above.

Ok I see where the confusion lies. You are talking segments, I was talking episode length. I do consider them to be different. Like the Looney tunes or animaniacs, they had segments but it was still a 22 minute show.

With Gumball, for instance, if I look up a particular episode, I will get a 10 minute episode. But with Doug, for example, if i look up an episode I get the full 22 minute one (I thnk?).

Now, how does this actually make a difference or matter? Beats me.

Okay, yeah, the format of showing them in singles instead of in doubles (to fill the full 22-minute airing slot) is a newer development, yeah. One that's kinda bizarre since wouldn't that theoretically throw the airing schedule out of whack for other shows that aren't 11 minutes long? Just one of the many things I continue to question about the Cartoon Network of today.

Sabrblade wrote:Okay, yeah, the format of showing them in singles instead of in doubles (to fill the full 22-minute airing slot) is a newer development, yeah. One that's kinda bizarre since wouldn't that theoretically throw the airing schedule out of whack for other shows that aren't 11 minutes long? Just one of the many things I continue to question about the Cartoon Network of today.

Yeah thats what Chibi Starscream was eferring to and I as well. But I think with so many shows doing this, it comes out to the same, you just pair up 2 10 minute shows.