Video Review for Transformers War for Cybertron Siege Micromaster Spy Patrol and Battle Squad

Just a little Siege Sunstorm, Custom,.. Starscream repaint

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On the Subject of the Tetrajets, a question for the fans of the mold of WFC in general.

According to the Wiki, there are 17 named Decepticon Seeker Jets (including the Coneheads). Would you want them all available in one line? Be that Tetrajet or the new SS mold in Earthrise?

SIEGE already has seven, would you want another ten??

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AllNewSuperRobot wrote:On the Subject of the Tetrajets, a question for the fans of the mold of WFC in general.

According to the Wiki, there are 17 named Decepticon Seeker Jets (including the Coneheads). Would you want them all available in one line? Be that Tetrajet or the new SS mold in Earthrise?

SIEGE already has seven, would you want another ten??

In one line? no.

Over the course of the entire trilogy? sure why not

They could easily give us the next five in Earthrise in a mix of the two molds of they wanted, and the same again for the third part.

I thought about that... Except Starscream has appeared twice already. So if they did an additional four for Earthrise: The Coneheads and Acidstorm (?), that means the six remaining Part Three jets they could get really creative with.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I thought about that... Except Starscream has appeared twice already. So if they did an additional four for Earthrise: The Coneheads and Acidstorm (?), that means the six remaining Part Three jets they could get really creative with.

Why acid storm?

Acidstorm was just the first example that immediately came to mind.

For reference, here is the list of Seekers, with their body types grouped together:

Standard 1984 Seeker Type
Starscream
Skywarp
Thundercracker
Acid Storm
Ion Storm
Nova Storm
Sunstorm
Red Wing
Bitstream
Hotlink

1985 Conehead styled Seeker Type
Dirge
Ramjet
Thrust
Sandstorm

1984 Seeker design transformation with 1985 Seeker Wings
Nacelle

Can be 1984 seeker type, usually more stylized Seeker Type
Slipstream

Appears to be 1984 Seeker type with a Conehead
Wheezing Arrow

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:For reference, here is the list of Seekers, with their body types grouped together:

Standard 1984 Seeker Type
Starscream
Skywarp
Thundercracker
Acid Storm
Ion Storm
Nova Storm
Sunstorm
Red Wing
Bitstream
Hotlink

1985 Conehead styled Seeker Type
Dirge
Ramjet
Thrust
Sandstorm

1984 Seeker design transformation with 1985 Seeker Wings
Nacelle

Can be 1984 seeker type, usually more stylized Seeker Type
Slipstream

Appears to be 1984 Seeker type with a Conehead
Wheezing Arrow

Nacelle can also apply to the first category since the TFSS toy was his upgraded form.

Sabrblade wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:For reference, here is the list of Seekers, with their body types grouped together:

Standard 1984 Seeker Type
Starscream
Skywarp
Thundercracker
Acid Storm
Ion Storm
Nova Storm
Sunstorm
Red Wing
Bitstream
Hotlink

1985 Conehead styled Seeker Type
Dirge
Ramjet
Thrust
Sandstorm

1984 Seeker design transformation with 1985 Seeker Wings
Nacelle

Can be 1984 seeker type, usually more stylized Seeker Type
Slipstream

Appears to be 1984 Seeker type with a Conehead
Wheezing Arrow

Nacelle can also apply to the first category since the TFSS toy was his upgraded form.

I'd personally rather he keep his unique seeker body type

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:For reference, here is the list of Seekers, with their body types grouped together:

Standard 1984 Seeker Type
Starscream
Skywarp
Thundercracker
Acid Storm
Ion Storm
Nova Storm
Sunstorm
Red Wing
Bitstream
Hotlink

1985 Conehead styled Seeker Type
Dirge
Ramjet
Thrust
Sandstorm

1984 Seeker design transformation with 1985 Seeker Wings
Nacelle

Can be 1984 seeker type, usually more stylized Seeker Type
Slipstream

Appears to be 1984 Seeker type with a Conehead
Wheezing Arrow

Nacelle can also apply to the first category since the TFSS toy was his upgraded form.

I'd personally rather he keep his unique seeker body type

We can have both: Siege tetrajet mold for his Cybertronian normal Seeker body (since he would have been a tetrajet in that form anyway), Earthrise jet mold with retooled wings for his upgraded body.

Me personally, I know I have no intention of buying every single Seeker and that my interest varies by character/design like with every other TF. Of that list, the only Seekers I still explicitly want are Sunstorm, Bitstream, Hotlink, Ramjet, Nacelle, and Slipstream. That being said, the Siege mold is great and I actively dislike the Earthrise mold, so I would much prefer we get more tetrajets if we're going to get 10 more WFC Seekers. Plus, the Welcoming Committee are supposed to be tetrajets anyway. I'm really hoping the Siege molds in general still get use in Earthrise/Selects if need be, there's still a good number of characters I'd like to see from existing Siege molds.

I'd would love to see some redeco's that can be repurposed as new characters, most of these are very far fetch and I would rather see Sunstorm and the welcoming community done first if done at all.

G2 Starscream as Pre Triple Changer Blitzwing (So "G1" Bee Blitzwing) (In my head canon anyways Blitzwing was converted into a Triple Changer but started as a Seeker, bonus points for a Generations version of the Gasmask seeker look)



The Navy G2 Ramjet as a Generations Jetblade, or maybe a dual combination of the two deco's so he can still be primarily white but with the blue being the camo seen on the G2 fig, potential bonus points if they made them a female I don't think the gender would be important to the character per say but I'd like to get some more female seekers in fiction, Slipstream is great, Rainmaker Nova Storm being female like the Cyberverse character would be welcome, Acid Storm I associate more being a male character since their a bit more of a character then some other obscure Seekers and besides Cyberverse their portrayal had been mostly male at this point, I don't care what they do with Ion Storm since both they and Nova Storm in the G1 cartoon weren't obvious one way or another.







A G2 Ramjet can serve as a potential homage homage if they released the deco under Slipstream's name but this would only work if they did two things, 1: If the conehead look is optional overall so it could be either Slipstream or G2 Ramjet in someone's collection, 2: they removed the Ramjet name off the nose cone, there isn't too many repaint opportunities if they do Coneheads so this works to bring a major character and have a potential meaningful redeco for a Conehead






G2 Jungle Starscream as...well someone, the deco looks sick...maybe as Wheezing Arrow? The only official pic I can find of them is a Statue with unclear colorization.

ZeroWolf wrote:Hey cobo... You found a way to combine all three into one yet?

Now I have!

The Power Dashers combine to form the debonair gentlebot, Dash Powertron!






What a horrific monstrosity!

Cobotron wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:Hey cobo... You found a way to combine all three into one yet?

Now I have!

The Power Dashers combine to form the debonair gentlebot, Dash Powertron!






What a horrific monstrosity!

Dear God..... he's beautiful

@Cobo that is perfection personified. Kudos my good sir, kudos!
@Nem Primal what do you find wrong with the Earthrise seeker mold then?

Wouldn't mind if cyberverse influences the conehead molds and they are a bit beefier and brutish in robot mode if they ever did tetra jet versions.

I'll go for the likely unpopular opinion of of Soundwave being one of the weakest of the line, his alt really doesmt work (unless the lamp post is his true alt) with his thruster things being a floppy mess that often don't stay in place. Robot mode, the finger designed to look like hes pressing his button (cool) but then he has so much guff under his forearms (kind of like classics hotrod except it doesnt even have a gimmick) which means posing the hands looks better if they are not raised, especially not pressing the button, Slide out hands as per the G1 toy would have hid the hollows and allowed for rotation/joint too. Even his tapes are a bit lacklustre. Soundwave looks good in robot mode but he has more flaws than most of the others, even megatron (and I'm really not a fan of most of the carbots/not even buying them *has barricade/redalert). Artic megs may get transformed a few times, but poor old soundwave gets to stay in one form and with his hands rather stationary.

ZeroWolf wrote:@Nem Primal what do you find wrong with the Earthrise seeker mold then?

See, I'm a weirdo and never liked the Classics Seeker mold for multiple reasons, so the fact that we're getting basically an upscaled version of it right after we just got a great Voyager Seeker mold really bothers me, not to mention it's the third Voyager Screamer in a row between PotP, Siege, and now Earthrise (I know the PotP one was bad, but it still exists). I think my issues with the Classics mold mainly stem from it being TOO G1 accurate. It's overly blocky, I can see exactly how it transforms without ever owning a copy of the figure, it's got unsightly kibble like an entire jet nosecone jutting out off the back and tailfins stapled to the sides of his feet, and compared to the excellent Siege mold it has worse articulation because it's missing a waist swivel for the sake of it's simple transformation. The arms also looked useless on the Classics mold, at least the Earthrise version looks to fix that. That's why the only way I can see myself buying this is when it gets retooled for Coneheads like we all expect and I can buy it as Ramjet, as that retooling will help with at least some of my complaints and it will be a character I don't have rather than just another Starscream.

That's also a main reason why I'm so tentative and ambivalent towards Earthrise right now, they did the same thing Siege did where the initial reveal didn't immediately get me on board, only a few figures appealed to me (in this case Wheeljack, Ironworks, Soundbarrier, and undecided on Grapple), but now the figures are lacking the unique Cybertronian/"Cybertronian" altmodes and styling that drew me towards getting some figures I probably wouldn't have otherwise and that I thought would be the whole POINT of the trilogy, AND they're overlapping with characters who just got Siege updates when I didn't even agree with every character chosen to get Siege figures to begin with. I could end up being wrong, I'd LIKE to be wrong, Siege won me over and now I'm sad to leave it, but right now it ain't looking too hot.

Nemesis Primal wrote:Siege won me over and now I'm sad to leave it, but right now it ain't looking too hot.

Agreed. It has been a long time since I was interested in a non-Collectors line of Transformers. SIEGE, via the Decepticons only, was piquing my interest. Especially in light of Scorponok being released next year, I was intrigued to see what kind of line he would be a part of (as tenuous a link as the other City Bots had to Generations and TR respectively). Then, as soon as they said it was earth-based, my interest in anything other than Scorponok, evaporated instantly.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

Nemesis Primal wrote:Siege won me over and now I'm sad to leave it, but right now it ain't looking too hot.

Agreed. It has been a long time since I was interested in a non-Collectors line of Transformers. SIEGE, via the Decepticons only, was piquing my interest. Especially in light of Scorponok being released next year, I was intrigued to see what kind of line he would be a part of (as tenuous a link as the other City Bots had to Generations and TR respectively). Then, as soon as they said it was earth-based, my interest in anything other than Scorponok, evaporated instantly.

Personally, my main issue with Earthrise isn't the lack of Cybertronian modes. I'm glad some characters are getting new versions like Wheeljack and Cliffjumper. I'm just disappointed that it doesn't really feel like it should follow right after Siege. Like, as far as we know, battle damage is gone, as are Cybertronian alt modes, and the only real carry-overs are the new connectors, a group of partsformers, and Astrotrain and Smashdown in new packaging.

But, hopefully the third part will be like POTP and bring all the ideas from the trilogy together and make an awesome line of Cybertronian and Earth alt modes, bases, blast effects, and weaponizers

Exactly. Honestly I was hoping Earth wasn't going to be a part of The War For Cybertron Trilogy at all. Something in the name, perhaps?

I had wanted a sort of spiritual successor to the Fall of Cybertron. HasTak's modern take on it. SIEGE looked like that was going to be the case, but the War seems to have jumped past Cybertron way too soon.

To be fair, Hasbro always said that Siege took place in the final days of Cybertron, so I think we knew that earth would appear. I though battle damage had been seen on some of the images?

Thanks for the explanation Nem Primal

ZeroWolf wrote:To be fair, Hasbro always said that Siege took place in the final days of Cybertron, so I think we knew that earth would appear.

If not in the second line, then in the third line with the second instead being about the voyage to Earth through space.

Though, with Earthrise now being the name of the second line, perhaps the preliminary name of "Armageddon" is being reserved for the third line when Planet Class Unicron gets released in 2021.

I imagine Siege succeeded beyond their expectations. Regular fans are happy, some fans have come back after years of being away, so much potential to start fresh.

After the last series they mapped this new one out much more thoroughly with a clearer plan of where they’ll end up. With that in mind I’m sure Earthrise will have it’s win-over moments just like Siege did with tons of surprises we’re not even expecting.

It just seems like a lukewarm start compared to how blown away we’ve been on a regular basis since Siege warmed up and got going.

My goblet of speculation runneth over.

On a slightly different note, I cannot wait to get Omega at some point. Seeing all the images of his base mode, That is the mode i am most excited for. That rocket is HUGE, and the race track fits up perfectly for Micromaster races (and legion class races too).

Just wanted to say that, he looks really good

Agreed!

With this Siege version's track being a more perfect circle he reminds me of Navitas. Put some wheels on him and he's just a roving racetrack of a city

I know a lot of people have been posting about either how small or how expensive this Astrotrain is but sweet Jesus I can't wait for my preorder to ship. Siege figures are solid with very nice articulation. As someone late to the game and spent scalper money on some Titans Return deluxes, this is a good deal to me

Oh that sweet sweet Astrotrain... I loooooove it...

This version of Astrotrain just looks sublime. Or maybe it's my love of trains and shuttles talking

People are widely forgetting he does have ankle tilt.

SkyFire Prime wrote:People are widely forgetting he does have ankle tilt.

Transformers War for Cybertron: SIEGE Astrotrain Gallery

Who's forgetting?

Yeah but how much of that is trans fats? ;D

ScottyP wrote:Yeah but how much of that is trans fats? ;D

ScottyP wrote:Yeah but how much of that is trans fats? ;D

More like trains fats.

Sabrblade wrote:

ScottyP wrote:Yeah but how much of that is trans fats? ;D

More like trains fats.

Too much of either and you're left with a big caboose!

ScottyP wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

ScottyP wrote:Yeah but how much of that is trans fats? ;D

More like trains fats.

Too much of either and you're left with a big caboose!

Sounds pretty tender.

Sabrblade wrote:

ScottyP wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

ScottyP wrote:Yeah but how much of that is trans fats? ;D

More like trains fats.

Too much of either and you're left with a big caboose!

Sounds pretty tender.

Okay, you both win the internet today!

Wolfman Jake wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

ScottyP wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

ScottyP wrote:Yeah but how much of that is trans fats? ;D

More like trains fats.

Too much of either and you're left with a big caboose!

Sounds pretty tender.

Okay, you both win the internet today!

Woo Woo!

Okay, all these puns are disrupting my train of thought, and I don't want to railroad anyone but I think we all need to stay on track. Full steam ahead on the Astrotrain comments.

The gallery is making me indecisive on the destination I want to take. Do I go the more expensive but more available Siege route, or the aftermarket Titans Return one with the full train?

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:The gallery is making me indecisive on the destination I want to take. Do I go the more expensive but more available Siege route, or the aftermarket Titans Return one with the full train?

Try finding the Legends version.

I'd say it depends on if you want a Cybertronian mode Astrotrain or an Earth Mode Astrotrain. I'd be tempted to get this leader Class and the Sentinel Prime version of the Titans Returns mold to get the experience of both.

@Siebs how was Leader Class Astrotrain to handle?

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:The gallery is making me indecisive on the destination I want to take. Do I go the more expensive but more available Siege route, or the aftermarket Titans Return one with the full train?

I will be replacing the TR version with this one, and I suspect I will not be alone. You might be able to find the TR version affordable on ebay once the Siege version hits retail.

Liking all the astrotrains but sticking with TR version for size and price, he's displayed in robot mode so the earth trains not that important and he will go better with the siege alts anyways. Might be tempted to pick up the classics astrotrain as it looks nice in the white coloring to be different enough from the others.

I was going to get Astro if I found a good sale/clearance, but the gallery pics have convinced me to just skip it all together. Hell, with Earthrise around the corner, the whole siege line will be a happily forgotten Bad memory.

Ironhidensh wrote:I was going to get Astro if I found a good sale/clearance, but the gallery pics have convinced me to just skip it all together. Hell, with Earthrise around the corner, the whole siege line will be a happily forgotten Bad memory.

What about the siege line did you find disappointing? Was it just the alt mode choices? Plus Astrotrain is getting released in Earthrise as well

ZeroWolf wrote:

Ironhidensh wrote:I was going to get Astro if I found a good sale/clearance, but the gallery pics have convinced me to just skip it all together. Hell, with Earthrise around the corner, the whole siege line will be a happily forgotten Bad memory.

What about the siege line did you find disappointing? Was it just the alt mode choices? Plus Astrotrain is getting released in Earthrise as well

Plus, let's be real, Astrotrain was probably going to be in Earthrise originally anyway, the same with the likes of other late Siege additions like Spinister and maybe even Apeface. Astrotrain especially does not have Cybertronian alt modes. Spinister is a more stylized helicopter and can maybe pass as Cybertronian, and Apeface's jet mode is alien enough, but not his gorilla mode. They were all likely meant to come out in 2020, but Hasbro scrambled to put together just one more wave of Siege product to meet demand for the holidays this year. It makes sense that they'd pinch from the next series to come and just push up the production schedule a bit on the Earthrise plans.