Video Review and New Images of Studio Series The Fallen Show More Comparisons for Scale

That's a different altmode configuration from the one Hasbro showed in their livestream.

Sabrblade wrote:That's a different altmode configuration from the one Hasbro showed in their livestream.

I guess that's the type of "vehicle" where anything goes.

Also, for such a "big" leader, he's not that much bigger than the original voyager.
Modern Transformers sure got hit hard with the shrink ray...

Sabrblade wrote:That's a different altmode configuration from the one Hasbro showed in their livestream.

And it looks better.

-Kanrabat- wrote:Also, for such a "big" leader, he's not that much bigger than the original voyager.
Modern Transformers sure got hit hard with the shrink ray...

In its defense, RotF The Fallen was pretty tall for a voyager back in the day as well. He towered over other voyagers like Starscream. So it might be throwing off things here.



But yeah, if you watch the video, the alt modes when he transforms them are almost exactly the same size. I might still pick this up, just for the more accurate...well, everything, but "big" is kind of relative compared to the massive toys of the earlier movie lines. I have deluxes from RotF that are bigger than today's voyagers.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:That's a different altmode configuration from the one Hasbro showed in their livestream.

And it looks better.

Is it maybe the angle that makes it look that much different?

First-Aid wrote:[

Is it maybe the angle that makes it look that much different?

Definitely not.

The thickness of the ships are way different in the front. I guess SS Fallen will be kinda like the 2001 RiD Megatron and can transform into 12 "modes".

-Kanrabat- wrote:

First-Aid wrote:[

Is it maybe the angle that makes it look that much different?

Definitely not.

The thickness of the ships are way different in the front. I guess SS Fallen will be kinda like the 2001 RiD Megatron and can transform into 12 "modes".

Kind of interesting how the Fallen transforms into a almost flying saucer shape.

Wait...kind of reminds me of the ships in Independence Day.

I actually think they just have it mistransformed. The struts that connect to the arms in bot mode end up in completely different places on the render, like something is supposed to be pulled apart in the back of the vehicle and then connected to the legs/engines that they didn't do.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:That's a different altmode configuration from the one Hasbro showed in their livestream.

I guess that's the type of "vehicle" where anything goes.

Also, for such a "big" leader, he's not that much bigger than the original voyager.
Modern Transformers sure got hit hard with the shrink ray...

Isn't he bigger than Jetfire from 2014, the first leader in the Gen line we ever had?

Spider5800 wrote:I actually think they just have it mistransformed. The struts that connect to the arms in bot mode end up in completely different places on the render, like something is supposed to be pulled apart in the back of the vehicle and then connected to the legs/engines that they didn't do.

The main thing I see is that the legs are bent more at the knee in the fan mode, bringing his heels together.

I honestly don't think it matters too much, mistransforming the alt mode that is. Not like he had one in the movie.

I pre-ordered all 3 SS Bayverse Leader & Deluxes revealed in the Fan Stream. I wasn't too keen on get another The Fallen before the reveal, but have since been a convert. The beefy bot mode is enough to warrant the purchase, but what REALLY piqued my interest is the alt mode... not the boxart/"official" version (which SUCKS) but the potential for other DIY alternate alt-modes. With the pincer-like "cockpit" nose and the many hands, legs & toe joints I imagine this figure is ripe to DIY a few bug-like modes. Play value FTW!

With those pincers out front I'm kinda reminded of the Batwing from the 1989 Batman movie.

Rodimus Prime wrote:With those pincers out front I'm kinda reminded of the Batwing from the 1989 Batman movie.

The BEST Batwing. Another mode to try with The Fallen. I remember YouTuber TonTon got a few videos with the many DIY SS Constructicons & Weaponizers alt modes he came up with (far better than his pre-release toy reviews like PvP) back in the day and those were fun to watch.

That Rumble looks awesome!! I hope they remold it into Frenzy soon; then between Studio Series and Siege we'll all have our options for the FIRRIB debate!

The Fallen, though, I'm...ambivalent. The robot mode is fantastic, and having both the staff and a removable face is so good, but I'm having a lot of trouble deciding which alt-mode between this one and the original actually looks as a more convincing vehicle.

Not gonna lie, a small part of me was hoping he'd turn into one of the sarcophagus from the tie-in comics. I know, not the most interesting alt-mode, but it'd be a nice little nod.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

First-Aid wrote:[

Is it maybe the angle that makes it look that much different?

Definitely not.

The thickness of the ships are way different in the front. I guess SS Fallen will be kinda like the 2001 RiD Megatron and can transform into 12 "modes".

...great, now you've made me want a new version of RiD Megatron/Galvatron

Rodimus Prime wrote:With those pincers out front I'm kinda reminded of the Batwing from the 1989 Batman movie.

Holy Crossovers!....now I can vision the fallen redone with a Batman theme. Cape that attaches to secondary arm...all black...panelling to alter altmode

cloudballoon wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:With those pincers out front I'm kinda reminded of the Batwing from the 1989 Batman movie.

The BEST Batwing.

This comment kinda took me by surprise. Even as a devout Batman fan, I always assumed that this was the only one and any other we saw was just that same design interpreted for whatever medium and style it was presented in.

We have news that Transformers Studio Series 2022 Wave 3, or wave 17 as it is referenced by certain retailers, has been found at US retail. ApocalypseThruster found them at a Target in California. This wave has no repacks and of the 3 new toys, it is Bumblebee who ends up shortpacked. Here are the full contents:

2x Dark of the Moon Bumblebee
3x Revenge of the Fallen Sideways
3x Arcee

If you have found them, share your sightings with our community in the sightings section and on our boards in your region related thread.

This sighting was originally posted here.

We also have reviews for Arcee and Sideways if you want to get to know more about those toys before picking them up.

chuckdawg1999 wrote:Sideways is a bot of many hats. Herald of Unicron, glorified movie cameo, and Master Yogi to name a few. As far as I can tell this isn't a licensed car, which is ok as it allows for more wiggle room with the design and it shows. This is one of the few car transformers I didn't struggle with getting panels lined up and pegged into place. Robot mode is squat and lanky but once you have the legs bent properly they hold Sideways up well and it's pretty posable. If you've been looking for some of the more obscure characters from the live-action movies to get a figure, Sideways is a solid purchase.

chuckdawg1999 wrote:When Studio Series 86 Arcee was originally announced, many fans thought it would be a slight repaint of the current Earthrise mold that has been re-released in the Kingdom line. Well SS86 Arcee is a heavy retool of the older 30th-anniversary mold that results in the best G1 Arcee we've gotten to date, it's by no means perfect though. Transformation is a bit more involved than you would think, especially when you realize that having enough clearance in vehicle mode is a difference of millimeters. Car mode is the closest to the G1 animation I've seen, I'm very impressed with how the designers were able to pull it off. Unfortunately, there is still a sizable backpack to deal with in robot mode, but the joints are tight enough for now to handle it. There are plenty of better Arcee toys, but if you're looking for a pure G1 experience this is the best you can do.

I'm more interested in those prices, they were still $23 when I was at my local Target Friday.

Emerje

william-james88 wrote:This comment kinda took me by surprise. Even as a devout Batman fan, I always assumed that this was the only one and any other we saw was just that same design interpreted for whatever medium and style it was presented in.

But isn't what you're saying a version of "All black car looks like the Ford Model T"? I know my twist of your statement is kinda extreme, but... I mean, to me, I can't see much similarity of the Batwing in "Dark Knight Rises" (Bale) vs. "Batman v Superman) (Affleck) vs. the 1989 Burton/Keaton version other than they're all black.

Same thing about the Batmobiles through the ages. Some changes are more evolutional (cosmetic tunings), but some are drasticall different in style, it's revolutional.

Or maybe you mean since you consider there's only one Batman (created by Kane in the 1939), all the Batmen in various medium (comics, TV, movie, video games, etc.) & eras (1939 to today) is basically the same one Batman (OK, we're talking Bruce Wayne here, not the other wannabes/stand-ins for simplicity of argument). So likewise there's just one Batwing as a vehicle just drawn differently? Hmmmm... interesting thought.

cloudballoon wrote:

william-james88 wrote:This comment kinda took me by surprise. Even as a devout Batman fan, I always assumed that this was the only one and any other we saw was just that same design interpreted for whatever medium and style it was presented in.

But isn't what you're saying a version of "All black car looks like the Ford Model T"? I know my twist of your statement is kinda extreme, but... I mean, to me, I can't see much similarity of the Batwing in "Dark Knight Rises" (Bale) vs. "Batman v Superman) (Affleck) vs. the 1989 Burton/Keaton version other than they're all black.

Same thing about the Batmobiles through the ages. Some changes are more evolutional (cosmetic tunings), but some are drasticall different in style, it's revolutional.

Or maybe you mean since you consider there's only one Batman (created by Kane in the 1939), all the Batmen in various medium (comics, TV, movie, video games, etc.) & eras (1939 to today) is basically the same one Batman (OK, we're talking Bruce Wayne here, not the other wannabes/stand-ins for simplicity of argument). So likewise there's just one Batwing as a vehicle just drawn differently? Hmmmm... interesting thought.

Oh, OK I see now, you lumped all those bat aircrafts as Batwings. I never considered them as such (which I realize may be innacurate to do so). They were just other Batplanes or Bat vehicles to me, with the Batwing being only what we saw in the Burton film and the animated series based on the same design/world.

With Bumblebee being SS 87, I think we finally have our answer, there is no actual SS86, t is the entire subline lumped under one number in the SS line.

@Sabrblade, looking at that it seems the numbers are wrong on the TFwiki page (looking at the more recent entries, Bumblebee Ironhide is SS84 for instance, ect)

https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Studio_Series

My Wal-Mart just now got Ironhide and Arcee in. So I have a while before I see this wave.

william-james88 wrote:Oh, OK I see now, you lumped all those bat aircrafts as Batwings. I never considered them as such (which I realize may be innacurate to do so). They were just other Batplanes or Bat vehicles to me, with the Batwing being only what we saw in the Burton film and the animated series based on the same design/world.

LOL, I guess, it's true enough that there's more or less *A* Batwing (and maybe a spare or two as standbys) at any one time, in a particular medium/timeline, there's no singular *The* Batwing though. I mean, even in the comics, Batman wrecked enough Batmobiles to come up with a newly designed Batmobile the next day.

Kind of like there are iterations/generations of [insert your fav car model] designs. Same lineage, not the same vehicle.

Comics... it's always messy.

william-james88 wrote:@Sabrblade, looking at that it seems the numbers are wrong on the TFwiki page (looking at the more recent entries, Bumblebee Ironhide is SS84 for instance, ect)

https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Studio_Series

What's Ironhide's number supposed to be?

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:@Sabrblade, looking at that it seems the numbers are wrong on the TFwiki page (looking at the more recent entries, Bumblebee Ironhide is SS84 for instance, ect)

https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Studio_Series

What's Ironhide's number supposed to be?

Ah forget it, turns out I was looking at the wrong place (the Takara numbers)

william-james88 wrote:
Ah forget it, turns out I was looking at the wrong place (the Takara numbers)

I've made that mistake myself especially if looking at TF wiki on my phone.

o.supreme wrote:

william-james88 wrote:
Ah forget it, turns out I was looking at the wrong place (the Takara numbers)

I've made that mistake myself especially if looking at TF wiki on my phone.

Yes, I was indeed on my phone

Bumblebee deserves less per case
2x? he needs 1x
Better yet, FORGET BUMBLEBEE

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:Bumblebee deserves less per case
2x? he needs 1x
Better yet, FORGET BUMBLEBEE

Why would Hasbro forget their biggest moneymaker? The more bee sells, the better off all tf fans will be

ZeroWolf wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:Bumblebee deserves less per case
2x? he needs 1x
Better yet, FORGET BUMBLEBEE

Why would Hasbro forget their biggest moneymaker? The more bee sells, the better off all tf fans will be

Because bee is a nonsense and has no reason to exist other than to annoy all fans over 3 years old

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:Bumblebee deserves less per case
2x? he needs 1x
Better yet, FORGET BUMBLEBEE

Why would Hasbro forget their biggest moneymaker? The more bee sells, the better off all tf fans will be

Because bee is a nonsense and has no reason to exist other than to annoy all fans over 3 years old

Not really. You may not like him (and that is your right to an opinion) but at the same time, you do have to get over yourself and accept reality, that Bee is a large part of the franchise, bringing new fans into what we love.

ZeroWolf wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:Bumblebee deserves less per case
2x? he needs 1x
Better yet, FORGET BUMBLEBEE

Why would Hasbro forget their biggest moneymaker? The more bee sells, the better off all tf fans will be

Because bee is a nonsense and has no reason to exist other than to annoy all fans over 3 years old

Not really. You may not like him (and that is your right to an opinion) but at the same time, you do have to get over yourself and accept reality, that Bee is a large part of the franchise, bringing new fans into what we love.

At this point, hating Bee is like hating Mickey Mouse.
The haters can hate all they want, but the golden goose is here to stay.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:Bumblebee deserves less per case
2x? he needs 1x
Better yet, FORGET BUMBLEBEE

Why would Hasbro forget their biggest moneymaker? The more bee sells, the better off all tf fans will be

Because bee is a nonsense and has no reason to exist other than to annoy all fans over 3 years old

Not really. You may not like him (and that is your right to an opinion) but at the same time, you do have to get over yourself and accept reality, that Bee is a large part of the franchise, bringing new fans into what we love.

At this point, hating Bee is like hating Mickey Mouse.
The haters can hate all they want, but the golden goose is here to stay.

Exactly, it's far easier (and healthier) to just accept it and move on to something you enjoy thinning about.

ZeroWolf wrote:Exactly, it's far easier (and healthier) to just accept it and move on to something you enjoy thinning about.

One thing that I see often on 4chan and even here are threads whose whole point is to HATE on something or someone. Seriously, how miserable and unhappy one can be to find enjoyment in those threads?

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:Bumblebee deserves less per case
2x? he needs 1x
Better yet, FORGET BUMBLEBEE

Why would Hasbro forget their biggest moneymaker? The more bee sells, the better off all tf fans will be

Because bee is a nonsense and has no reason to exist other than to annoy all fans over 3 years old

And yet fans keep begging Hasbro and Walmart to rerelease Netflix Bee.

This is how my kid sees it

william-james88 wrote:This is how my kid sees it

I disagree. As a kid, I thought Hot Rod and Grimlock were cooler than boring ol bee.

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:This is how my kid sees it

I disagree. As a kid, I thought Hot Rod and Grimlock were cooler than boring ol bee.

But most kids these days are more familiar with the live action movies then G1 (which I guess you're implying since you have a low opinion of the live action stuff. It gets confusing when you say the names but could be talking about vastly different characters).

My son would respond the same as Wills', he loves Bee but Prime has no bearing with him.

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:This is how my kid sees it

I disagree. As a kid I thought Hot Rod and Grimlock were cooler than boring ol bee.

I was the same. As a kid in the 80s, I never identified with "kid characters", especially Bumblebee. But I and my peers must have been in the minority. I don't have a single BB in my collection ( I would have picked up origins if I saw it at that clearance price), but the fact is, BB sells. Other than when TRU way over ordered a couple select items , BB has generally always sold well. He has way more studio series releases than any other character, yet they don't seem to shelf warm.

Trust me. It took me a while to realize, my personal indifference towards BB ( and other people's disdain) dosen't reflect the majority of kids who are ( or their parents are) buying these toys for them

-Kanrabat- wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:Exactly, it's far easier (and healthier) to just accept it and move on to something you enjoy thinning about.

One thing that I see often on 4chan and even here are threads whose whole point is to HATE on something or someone. Seriously, how miserable and unhappy one can be to find enjoyment in those threads?

It is for that reason that I've tended to stay out of the live-action movie forum on here.

o.supreme wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:This is how my kid sees it

I disagree. As a kid I thought Hot Rod and Grimlock were cooler than boring ol bee.

I was the same. As a kid in the 80s, I never identified with "kid characters", especially Bumblebee. But I and my peers must have been in the minority.

In my youth, I did identify with Cheetor, since he was a kid like me. But unlike most of the other kid-appeal characters, he actually underwent an arc of growth and maturation over a natural period of time, growing up along with the young viewers who were watching at the time. Those who would have watched Beast Wars as teenagers would have finished Beast Machines as young adults, just like Cheetor started and finished over the course of his development arc. But I was still a kid by then, too, so, well I did still think he was cool as a kid, his arc didn't really vibe with me until I rewatched both shows as a teenager some years later.

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:This is how my kid sees it

I disagree. As a kid, I thought Hot Rod and Grimlock were cooler than boring ol bee.

You can't disagree with the fact that this is how my kid sees it.

There's a great customizer in this forum who's a fan of Bumblebee, he posts to this thread regularly. Let people like what they like, man.

william-james88 wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:This is how my kid sees it

I disagree. As a kid, I thought Hot Rod and Grimlock were cooler than boring ol bee.

You can't disagree with the fact that this is how my kid sees it.

How did I know you'd say that? I was reffereing to the idea of kids all liking bumblebee, not what your kid beleives. I'm sure you know your child


If Bumblebee starting resembling and acting like his generation one counterpart, I'd probably begin to see a bit of something in him. His personality sure changed, even if he's always been the kid appeal.

Rtron wrote:There's a great customizer in this forum who's a fan of Bumblebee, he posts to this thread regularly. Let people like what they like, man.

Who? And if you tell me he only makes bay movie customs, I'll throw a flip.

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

Rtron wrote:There's a great customizer in this forum who's a fan of Bumblebee, he posts to this thread regularly. Let people like what they like, man.

Who? And if you tell me he only makes bay movie customs, I'll throw a flip.

EvasionModeBumblebee. Dude seems pretty young, wouldn't be surprised if Bayverse is all they collect. You'll have to make peace with the fact that newer generations will tend to prefer newer iterarions of Transformers, lol. I'm one of the younger Beast Wars babies, and I'm getting close to my thirties. So most youngish fans are into Bayverse or Prime.

Rtron wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

Rtron wrote:There's a great customizer in this forum who's a fan of Bumblebee, he posts to this thread regularly. Let people like what they like, man.

Who? And if you tell me he only makes bay movie customs, I'll throw a flip.

EvasionModeBumblebee. Dude seems pretty young, wouldn't be surprised if Bayverse is all they collect. You'll have to make peace with the fact that newer generations will tend to prefer newer iterarions of Transformers, lol. I'm one of the younger Beast Wars babies, and I'm getting close to my thirties. So most youngish fans are into Bayverse or Prime.

Then I guess I'm a big exception than...
I'm a G1 and Beast Wars fan

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:Who? And if you tell me he only makes bay movie customs, I'll throw a flip.

Hi there! I'm EvasionModeBumblebee and yep, I only make Bay movie customs! xD

The Bay films are what got me into Transformers and still what I'm most passionate about in TF, and getting to paint these figures up has been a total blast. I'm actually working on SS DOTM Bumblebee right now, it's my favorite design for Bee so I've been looking forward to it for a very long time! I'll post my thoughts on the figure in general this weekend when I upload the custom.


But yeah, Bumblebee is my favorite character! Specifically the Bayverse version.

Also, while we're talking about the newest SS deluxe wave, it's weird that Amazon still hasn't released Sideways when I've had Bee and Galvatron for a while now, and now he's showing up in stores. Hopefully Amazon sends it soon!

Rtron wrote:There's a great customizer in this forum who's a fan of Bumblebee, he posts to this thread regularly.

Thank you very much! Yep, I started sticking to just Bayverse when Studio Series started. I still really like other parts of Transformers (Prime and the Cybertron games in particular), but Bayverse is really what I enjoy the most.

EvasionModeBumblebee wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:Who? And if you tell me he only makes bay movie customs, I'll throw a flip.

Hi there! I'm EvasionModeBumblebee and yep, I only make Bay movie customs! xD

The Bay films are what got me into Transformers and still what I'm most passionate about in TF, and getting to paint these figures up has been a total blast. I'm actually working on SS DOTM Bumblebee right now, it's my favorite design for Bee so I've been looking forward to it for a very long time! I'll post my thoughts on the figure in general this weekend when I upload the custom.


But yeah, if my profile didn't give it away, Bumblebee is my favorite character! Specifically the Bayverse version.

Also, while we're talking aboutt he newest SS deluxe wave, it's weird that Amazon still hasn't released Sideways when I've had Bee and Galvatron for a while now, and now he's showing up in stores. Hopefully Amazon sends it soon!

Hello. I dislike the bay films out of their originality and my beliefs as a Christian.
But out of casual conversation and trying to prove that I'm not constantly rude to everyone, what do you enjoy about the micheal bay movies? I enjoy the Generation One because it came first, and the sheer simplicity of the designs, easy to draw.

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:But out of casual conversation and trying to prove that I'm not constantly rude to everyone, what do you enjoy about the micheal bay movies? I enjoy the Generation One because it came first, and the sheer simplicity of the designs, easy to draw.

I think the big thing for me are the robot designs, especially from the first 3 films. I love the complexity and detail that makes them look more mechanical (and the way the parts shift as they move is so cool to see, especially on bots like Starscream). That's a big part of why Studio Series has been my favorite line, they've captured the detail and proportions of those designs excellently.

I don't want to go derailing the thread too far, but the other things I really enjoy are the action sequences (the choreography, movement, and sound design for them is just spectacular), Steve Jablonsky's amazing score, and coming from a military family I really enjoyed the military presence in the films. They filmed the movies on bases I lived on, using vehicles I got to see every now and then like the F-22 and CH-53. They used actual military service members for parts of the films, one of my robotics team mentors on base voiced one of the F-22 pilots in the 07 movie, and they reused one of his lines in DOTM.

It was also what introduced me to Transformers, so there's a lot of nostalgia there for me as well!