Video Review and Comparison of Takara Tomy Transformers Legends LG-60 Overlord

Man, I think I preffer the Hasbro version. I really love those tampos on the jet mode and I do not like how ghastly the faces are on the takara version.

i prefer the silver face on the hasbro one better myself but i also like the fake powermasters in the chest on the takara one gives it a more complete look

Personally, I think Takara could have just given us two Powermaster figures using the engine blocks on the existing figures, and used a faux "POTP" block with a face on it for the head. Probably cheaper than the existing features and more G1 accurate.

However, I like this fan-made combined mode that I found on the internet:

It's been reported that the retooled chest flaps on Legends Overlord actually attach securely to the tank in the combined vehicle mode, enabling one to pick up the combined form by the jet and shake it around a bit gently without the tank detaching from the jet. That is a huge improvement over the loose connection made between the Hasbro Overlord's chest flaps and tank.

I noticed some things with Overlord and Blitzwing:

- Overlord has got a vestigal joint just before his crotch plate (under his abdomen). It seems to be missing a part that would clip in and move up and down.



- Blitzwing's feet, and the rear lower leg covers scrape easily against each other, due to a lack of clearance. I suspect this is because in the Hasbro version, both of these parts are not painted?

primalxconvoy wrote:I noticed some things with Overlord and Blitzwing:

- Overlord has got a vestigal joint just before his crotch plate (under his abdomen). It seems to be missing a part that would clip in and move up and down.

Its used to connect the base modes. Its beena while but I think it worked when I tried it with Blaster.

Ohhhhhhhhhh.....

Damn. I was expecting to get a Nobel prize for that find..

So are the fake engines actually glued in there or just wedged in super tight? I get that he didnt want to damage the toy to find out. But somebodys gotta do it. I got a feeling they are similar to the pink thing that comes with POTP starscream and the paint made them tight as hell to remove.

Rated X wrote:So are the fake engines actually glued in there or just wedged in super tight? I get that he didnt want to damage the toy to find out. But somebodys gotta do it. I got a feeling they are similar to the pink thing that comes with POTP starscream and the paint made them tight as hell to remove.

There are pictures here earlier in that show them, plus the mod to remove them, clip them and attach them to the backs of the Headmaster figures.

primalxconvoy wrote:

Rated X wrote:So are the fake engines actually glued in there or just wedged in super tight? I get that he didnt want to damage the toy to find out. But somebodys gotta do it. I got a feeling they are similar to the pink thing that comes with POTP starscream and the paint made them tight as hell to remove.

There are pictures here earlier in that show them, plus the mod to remove them, clip them and attach them to the backs of the Headmaster figures.

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Thanks ! Thats awesome ! This is one mod I might be tempted to do !

The earlier article didn't have any verbal explanation, just photos. BUT it looks to me like there are clips that hold the engines in. Guessing you could access from the back and un-clip them to remove, but inserting them again would be permanent again — unless you did a mod.

Very much a bummer that Takara didn't stick with the POTP design to retain the play value of the accessories. I'd love to swap engines in and out of that thing, but since it means actually modifying a quite-expensive figure, guessing I'll just enjoy swapping engines in the Hasbro one.

gothsaurus wrote:The earlier article didn't have any verbal explanation, just photos. BUT it looks to me like there are clips that hold the engines in. Guessing you could access from the back and un-clip them to remove, but inserting them again would be permanent again — unless you did a mod.

Very much a bummer that Takara didn't stick with the POTP design to retain the play value of the accessories. I'd love to swap engines in and out of that thing, but since it means actually modifying a quite-expensive figure, guessing I'll just enjoy swapping engines in the Hasbro one.

Where is these mod directions located? I went back 6 pages all the way back to blitzwing and even a slugslinger pic and couldnt find any of these photos other than the one on page 127 in response to my original question?

I can't break to hunt again, but it was about that far back. Was just a text link, no pictures.

Rated X wrote:

primalxconvoy wrote:

Rated X wrote:So are the fake engines actually glued in there or just wedged in super tight? I get that he didnt want to damage the toy to find out. But somebodys gotta do it. I got a feeling they are similar to the pink thing that comes with POTP starscream and the paint made them tight as hell to remove.

There are pictures here earlier in that show them, plus the mod to remove them, clip them and attach them to the backs of the Headmaster figures.

downloadfile-42.jpg

Thanks ! Thats awesome ! This is one mod I might be tempted to do !

That's a mod I'm going to do. It looks pretty easy. One mod used modelling clay/putty to fill in the back of the engine plates, possibly to allow the screw to "bite" into something.

Edit:

- Just found these pics of the clones, and someone managed to find guns for them. You can see the Legends ones opposite their G1 versions. I've no idea where those new guns came from; Shapeways? From existing official toys? Anyone know?

primalxconvoy wrote:

Rated X wrote:

primalxconvoy wrote:

Rated X wrote:So are the fake engines actually glued in there or just wedged in super tight? I get that he didnt want to damage the toy to find out. But somebodys gotta do it. I got a feeling they are similar to the pink thing that comes with POTP starscream and the paint made them tight as hell to remove.

There are pictures here earlier in that show them, plus the mod to remove them, clip them and attach them to the backs of the Headmaster figures.

downloadfile-42.jpg

Thanks ! Thats awesome ! This is one mod I might be tempted to do !

That's a mod I'm going to do. It looks pretty easy. One mod used modelling clay/putty to fill in the back of the engine plates, possibly to allow the screw to "bite" into something.

Edit:

- Just found these pics of the clones, and someone managed to find guns for them. You can see the Legends ones opposite their G1 versions. I've no idea where those new guns came from; Shapeways? From existing official toys? Anyone know?

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Not sure, but Nonnef sells a set of 8 guns (2 for each clone) --

https://www.nonnef.com/collections/tf/products/clone-tr

gothsaurus wrote:The earlier article didn't have any verbal explanation, just photos. BUT it looks to me like there are clips that hold the engines in. Guessing you could access from the back and un-clip them to remove, but inserting them again would be permanent again — unless you did a mod.

Very much a bummer that Takara didn't stick with the POTP design to retain the play value of the accessories. I'd love to swap engines in and out of that thing, but since it means actually modifying a quite-expensive figure, guessing I'll just enjoy swapping engines in the Hasbro one.

I havent tried thisyet, but I THINK it's this:

1/ Unscrew the back of the jet mode.
2/ Locate the teal "clips" that "hold" onto the back of the Titanmaster/POTP port (the cavity which holds the heads/engines).
3/ Carefully unclip the clips OR yank/cut them (depending if you will mod the Headmasters later or not).
4/ Remove the engines and screw it all back together.

To do the Powermaster mod:

1/ Unscrew the faceplates from the Gigas/Mega.
2/ Cut/sand away the three/four "arms" that pegged into the back of the aformentioned Titanmaster/POTP cavity/port.
3/ POSSIBLY remove the teal "head" on the engine blocks (as the figures already have heads), although this is an aesthetic choice at this point (but might affect head articulation on the Headmaster figs).
4/ Either superglue the contact points between the Headmaster and the engine block (and call it a day), OR add modelling clay or equivalent (epoxy putty?) to the hollow rear of the engine block and wait to dry, painting if desired. Again, add superglue to the contact points between the engine and Headmaster and affix. Once dry, put the screew back in the Powermaster (with the dried clay, etc now giving the screw something to "bite" into).

For the faceplates:

1/ Glue one of them behind the helmet, inside it.

OR

2/ Find a spare POTP/Titanmaster figure (or sand down a POTP "engine block", use clay, etc) and affix the faceplate to that, then pop it into the space inside the helmet.

Sepending on your choices, you can then have a fully functioning Powermaster AND a Headmaster, or a regular head, depending on your preferences.

It seems like a fairly easy mod, IMO. No pins!

I hope someone does a video of this process. Cheers for the walkthrough, my friend!!

You're welcome!

Thanks !

Sixshot won Devastator's power chip rectifier in Decepticon Poker Night.

Nice, where did the drill bits come from? Gurren lagaan would be proud

Thanks! I printed them from a file (that was meant for the character you mentioned!) Chromed them and designed the connector to Sixshot's retracted fists.

Those are awesome, having a 3d printer must be good for things like that.

Cyberpath wrote:Sixshot won Devastator's power chip rectifier in Decepticon Poker Night.

This pic makes me think he fleeced Mindwipe and Hellbat at the table too.

Check this out.

Here's a few comparison pics between the new Legends Overlord and the 1988 original toy, and it turns out that not only is the Legends one more show-accurate that the Titans Return Overlord, but it's also more toy-accurate as well. That dark blue is way more closer the original toy's dark blue than Hasbro Overlord's bright blue, as well as the toes being colored purple like on the original toy:

Why didn't they make the holes for the Titanmasters the other way round? At least that way, the heads on the them would be pointing UP (like the original), instead of DOWN (in the new version). I doubt it would have been difficult to do...

primalxconvoy wrote:Why didn't they make the holes for the Titanmasters the other way round? At least that way, the heads on the them would be pointing UP (like the original), instead of DOWN (in the new version). I doubt it would have been difficult to do...

That would have required a whole new chest piece at the very least, for a very insignificant detail. Why bother?

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

primalxconvoy wrote:Why didn't they make the holes for the Titanmasters the other way round? At least that way, the heads on the them would be pointing UP (like the original), instead of DOWN (in the new version). I doubt it would have been difficult to do...

That would have required a whole new chest piece at the very least, for a very insignificant detail. Why bother?

I meant, from the very beginning. Why didn't the original have this? It wouldn't have been hard and would have meant the figures looked correct. Using Headmasters would have looked silly either way, so there's no reason not to.

primalxconvoy wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

primalxconvoy wrote:Why didn't they make the holes for the Titanmasters the other way round? At least that way, the heads on the them would be pointing UP (like the original), instead of DOWN (in the new version). I doubt it would have been difficult to do...

That would have required a whole new chest piece at the very least, for a very insignificant detail. Why bother?

I meant, from the very beginning. Why didn't the original have this? It wouldn't have been hard and would have meant the figures looked correct. Using Headmasters would have looked silly either way, so there's no reason not to.

Because then the faces people would stick in there would be upside-down. While, yes, having faces in the chest at all is silly, having them upside-down would be *too* silly.

Sabrblade wrote:

primalxconvoy wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

primalxconvoy wrote:Why didn't they make the holes for the Titanmasters the other way round? At least that way, the heads on the them would be pointing UP (like the original), instead of DOWN (in the new version). I doubt it would have been difficult to do...

That would have required a whole new chest piece at the very least, for a very insignificant detail. Why bother?

I meant, from the very beginning. Why didn't the original have this? It wouldn't have been hard and would have meant the figures looked correct. Using Headmasters would have looked silly either way, so there's no reason not to.

Because then the faces people would stick in there would be upside-down. While, yes, having faces in the chest at all is silly, having them upside-down would be *too* silly.

Arguably, being upside down would make them appear more abstract, and look better while in the chest, IMO.

I'd rather have had his flip out chest cannon but hey. The extra bend backwards torso joint is a weird feature over the sky shadow mold and probably good for flying robot poses. Fingers crossed for an upscaled KO version down the line but I'm definitely picking up the hasbro version to go with the Takara. Extra play features, brighter colors and cheesy armada style combining power with a duplicate toy, what's not to like.

Maybe Shapeways or Dr Wuu will make clip on guns, like someone did for Fort Max?

blackeyedprime wrote:The extra bend backwards torso joint is a weird feature over the sky shadow mold and probably good for flying robot poses.

That's for the base mode, actually.

Sabrblade wrote:Check this out.

Here's a few comparison pics between the new Legends Overlord and the 1988 original toy, and it turns out that not only is the Legends one more show-accurate that the Titans Return Overlord, but it's also more toy-accurate as well. That dark blue is way more closer the original toy's dark blue than Hasbro Overlord's bright blue, as well as the toes being colored purple like on the original toy:

I didn't realize G1 Overlord was so... big. Now I can't unsee how small my TR figure is. You've ruined him for me!

Currently, I'm in the process of modding my Legends Overlord... The engine block/sprues are rather soft, so it's easy to cut them with pliers and sand them down. I tried using some spare sprue parts and super glue to fill in the hollow parts at the back of the engine, but it didn't work. I suspect I REALLY need to use modelling clay/putty to put the attached screw into. Otherwise, the Titanmaster's own little head sits loose in the figure and the blue faux "head" on the engine overhangs the actual head, meaning it won't fit into the engine.

Also, when removing the black back of Overlord, there are only two screws at the top (the wide end). You have to exert some correctly angled pressure to the bottom/thinner end of the back in order to separate it from the figure's front.

Not really a big problem, but I'd thought I would share it.

Am I the only one here who actually thinks that the Iacon Engines on Legends Overlord's chest are kinda cool as they are?

I mean, if Super Ginrai can have a molded-in Iacon Engine of his own...

Sabrblade wrote:Am I the only one here who actually thinks that the Iacon Engines on Legends Overlord's chest are kinda cool as they are?

I mean, if Super Ginrai can have a molded-in Iacon Engine of his own...

I think they're cool too. The only thing that would have been better is putting engine blocks on Giga and Mega and just giving Overlord some other Headmaster. I know it wouldn't fit with the play pattern, but did Targetmasters. There's no reason they couldn't throw in some Power/Godmasters into the Legends line.

Lore Keeper wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Am I the only one here who actually thinks that the Iacon Engines on Legends Overlord's chest are kinda cool as they are?

I mean, if Super Ginrai can have a molded-in Iacon Engine of his own...

I think they're cool too. The only thing that would have been better is putting engine blocks on Giga and Mega and just giving Overlord some other Headmaster. I know it wouldn't fit with the play pattern, but did Targetmasters. There's no reason they couldn't throw in some Power/Godmasters into the Legends line.

For me, it's like, Super Ginrai gets to be a Triplemaster by using the powers of being a Headmaster (his head), a Godmaster (his built-in Iacon Engine) and a Getmaster (his chest cockpit compartment). With Overlord, it's as though Giga and Mega were all like "Ginrai has one Iacon Engine? Well we have TWO! And we got Headmaster technology too! We've got the powers of a Headmaster and two built-in Godmasters all at once!" And then the comic threw in the surprise twist of of the Shinchokon-powered Overlord Tera just to make Overlord's power even more delightfully absurd. But that Overlord has two built-in Iacon Engines like how Ginrai has one just seems like the kind of fun oneupsmanship that the villain would have as a response to Ginrai's own built-in Iacon Engine.

Lore Keeper wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Am I the only one here who actually thinks that the Iacon Engines on Legends Overlord's chest are kinda cool as they are?

I mean, if Super Ginrai can have a molded-in Iacon Engine of his own...

I think they're cool too. The only thing that would have been better is putting engine blocks on Giga and Mega and just giving Overlord some other Headmaster. I know it wouldn't fit with the play pattern, but did Targetmasters. There's no reason they couldn't throw in some Power/Godmasters into the Legends line.

What would work against them is the fact they'd be nothing more than ornaments without anything to trigger, UT-style... like the current Prime Masters. They even had the preliminary name of "Power Masters" as well

Sabrblade wrote:Am I the only one here who actually thinks that the Iacon Engines on Legends Overlord's chest are kinda cool as they are?

I mean, if Super Ginrai can have a molded-in Iacon Engine of his own...

I'm fine with what they did. If I were to complain, it might be that Overlord doesn't scale well with God Ginrai as far as cartoon accuracy is concerned. Maybe they could have gotten it right by making Super Ginrai & God Bomber voyager sized, but then we would still have a size problem with the upcoming Grand Maximus as well.

Instead, I will just be happy that we are getting modern versions of these characters at all & look forward to POTP to add more minions to my Masterforce shelf.

Relic0037 wrote:If I were to complain, it might be that Overlord doesn't scale well with God Ginrai as far as cartoon accuracy is concerned.

I get the feeling that the size issue is why Overlord Tera was thought up as a way to make Overlord better size up to God Ginrai.

Sabrblade wrote:

Relic0037 wrote:If I were to complain, it might be that Overlord doesn't scale well with God Ginrai as far as cartoon accuracy is concerned.

I get the feeling that the size issue is why Overlord Tera was thought up as a way to make Overlord better size up to God Ginrai.

Ditto.

Lore Keeper wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Relic0037 wrote:If I were to complain, it might be that Overlord doesn't scale well with God Ginrai as far as cartoon accuracy is concerned.

I get the feeling that the size issue is why Overlord Tera was thought up as a way to make Overlord better size up to God Ginrai.

Ditto.

I'm all for equality! Why should the good guys get all the power-ups and not the bad guys?

Lore Keeper wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Relic0037 wrote:If I were to complain, it might be that Overlord doesn't scale well with God Ginrai as far as cartoon accuracy is concerned.

I get the feeling that the size issue is why Overlord Tera was thought up as a way to make Overlord better size up to God Ginrai.

Ditto.

Since I don't plan on getting a second Overlord & the Tera configuration wouldn't be cartoon accurate, I may just display him along side Super Ginrai.

We seem to have some news concerning the Takara Tomy Transformers Legends line, after the unification of the brand with same releases between the Japanese company and Hasbro - as detailed here - via a summary on the Snakas blog of hobby and action figure magazine Hyper Hobby, and the section concerning Transformers. Below is a machine translation of the post, but the highlight appears to be something regarding Takara Tomy Mall and Legends, leading to believe that we may still indeed see Japanese exclusive decos and minor retools - but only as exclusives.

Take a read for yourselves below, or head here for the original Japanese post, and let us know what you think in the Energon Pub discussion boards!

TF related to Hyper Hobby released today is 2 pages in color.

◆ Power of the Prime Japanese version Introduction of products from June to July.

Basically it looks like a new photo. The introductory text itself is not particularly novelty content, but regarding the PP series, it seems to be a policy to release all kinds with the worldwide common specification.

In relation to that, with regard to the future of the TF Legends of the current series, there is a description that "Takara Tomy Mall will be continued around the center".

By the way, with regard to the coalescing function of the dreaddwind and black wing, it was not mentioned here as well.

◆ Other, Introduction of 4 types of the first turbo change series, MP-34S Shadow Panther. Basically posted in advertisement materials.

There is nothing to do with Transformers, but articles about Shincarion 's toys are 3 pages in color, of which 1 page is an interview article on development staff of TakaraTomy. There is a description that development of Shinkallion toy went while consulting with the TF team.

Can't wait to pay an arm and a leg, and another leg for TT Mall exclusives.

There should be a couple wallet Emojis.

The figures we got for Headmasters were more than slight retools. If the quality is going to take a step back but the price remains the same or higher, I don't see myself buying Takara products again. I am still holding out hope for a new Super Ginrai.

It seems that instead of Takara specific TFs being regular, with Ehobby, Million Publishing and TT Mail being exclusives, we now have Hasbro TFs being standard, with (some) MPs, and other exclusives being reserved for TT Mail and online?

primalxconvoy wrote:It seems that instead of Takara specific TFs being regular, with Ehobby, Million Publishing and TT Mail being exclusives, we now have Hasbro TFs being standard, with (some) MPs, and other exclusives being reserved for TT Mail and online?

Thats what it looks like. Their take on the TLK line was a good hint of things to come.

william-james88 wrote:

primalxconvoy wrote:It seems that instead of Takara specific TFs being regular, with Ehobby, Million Publishing and TT Mail being exclusives, we now have Hasbro TFs being standard, with (some) MPs, and other exclusives being reserved for TT Mail and online?

Thats what it looks like. Their take on the TLK line was a good hint of things to come.

I've preordered all of the first two waves of these toys. However, if the content for wave 1 is identical to Hasbro's, I might cancel wave 2 and order the rest of the line from BBTS. If Takara are going to charge more for less, they've lost me as a customer for these toys.

Mind you, I don't think they care. I get the impression that TT have given up trying to push TFs as a main toyline for Japanese kids. Selling rebadged Hasbro stock for the main shops, while selling their previous style recoloured Legends figures now as "TT Mall exclusives" for collectors seems as cost effective as they can be.