Variant Covers for IDW Transformers: Lost Light #11 by Roche / Burcham, Milne / Perez, Lafuente

So we're getting Cyberverse versions of Shockwave, Thundercracker and Skywarp too! ... I mean, not awfully surprising, but hey.

I love how the synopsis changes by 1 name between what's listed here and what was advertised at the end of issue 10.

Hint: Riptide's name was replaced with Thunderclash's.

Also, that First Aid cover...

Definitely want dat First Aid cover! I really liked issue 10 and am eager to see how this ends for Getaway.

I wish I could be more patient and read the TPBs instead (like I did for MTMTE)....but I like going to the comics store to pick up the latest issue.

Va'al wrote:Oh don't get me wrong: Getaway is a piece of ****. Always has been since introduction in IDWverse.

So was Megatron. A genocidal piece of ****. And he was redeemed, made charismatic, and endeared to the reader.

I am frustrated by how the two are being used by the narrative in almost opposite ways, to condemn one while shrugging away the other. While both being pieces of ****.

But that is one if the joys of fiction. Anyone can be redeemed. Escapism at its finest, no?

I was intrigued by the possibilities with Megatron, and can't wait to see how he returns to the story....but to see him as fully redeemed?
I don't mind Optimus being more ruthless, either -- but I honestly still can't believe he killed Galvatron the way he did. But I will be reading that series in TPB, unlike with this one.

I just love the focus on the random assortment of characters in Lost Light, and you can tell Roberts is having fun, too.

I know this is the wrong thread, but...Optimus killed...Galvatron...?

Anyway...is it a certainty that MTMTE/LL will stop at 100 issues?

Rodimus Prime wrote:I know this is the wrong thread, but...Optimus killed...Galvatron...?

Anyway...is it a certainty that MTMTE/LL will stop at 100 issues?

No, they hope to at least make that threshold

Hate to be That Guy, but it probably won't get there. I'm gonna bet Lost Light gets canned or rebooted again somehow around the 21-22 mark.

I don't want that to happen, but it would not surprise me to see some major shakeups post-Unicron. In the meantime I'll do what I can buying multiple covers every month in my desperate bid to throw money around trying to prevent the inevitable.

ScottyP wrote:Hate to be That Guy, but it probably won't get there. I'm gonna bet Lost Light gets canned or rebooted again somehow around the 21-22 mark.

I don't want that to happen, but it would not surprise me to see some major shakeups post-Unicron. In the meantime I'll do what I can buying multiple covers every month in my desperate bid to throw money around trying to prevent the inevitable.

Or... maybe it just ends? I mean, let's face it, MTMTE was not going to last forever and Season 3 is pretty clearly going to be the final season. I'm sure they'll give James enough space to wrap everything up while also preparing for the inevitable soft-reboot that happens post-Unicron.

^That's a good re-wording of what I was trying to say I think this is either it, as Roberts has always been clear that the story has an ending that is known to him, or this is the lead up to a stretch that is the end.

Of course, the intended title for the finale is "There is a Light That Never Goes Out" iirc. While yes, that's a song title, I think it's a fun and possibly unintended spin on the old "It never ends!" Furmanism.

Dropping in to say I loved this issue. The twist was well executed, character-driven, and satisfying. First time in a long while I felt a wave of WTF pass over me in a totally didn't-see-it-coming way.

I haven't gone through all the negative posts, but will have to do so later. Very intrigued to read why everyone's crapping all over this issue.

Thanks to iTunes, we have a new preview for the upcoming Transformers: Lost Light #11! Lost Light #11 picks up where #10 left off, serving as the middle chapter of the Mutineers Trilogy. We left off last issue with the reveal that there were many crewmembers who had been reduced to sparks, brains, and spines in engex containers, other crewmembers who were questioning the decision to go with the mutiny, some of those mentioned crewmembers stuck in a brain memory loop including the Protectobots, Thunderclash, and Mirage, and a Getaway that is far more ruthless and more dictatorish than when we previously saw him almost 2 years ago. This chapter starts with the mutiny recruiting story, with Getaway telling someone in Rung's office about how the process went down. While the person may be Rung, it is highly unlikely, and we are left wondering who he is really talking to.

Check out the 3 page preview below, and let us know what you think of these new pages in the comments section below!

Success? The crew of the Lost Light, led by the mutinous Getaway, is now only weeks away from completing their quest. But such remarkable progress comes at a price. Just how far is their new captain prepared to go to find Cyberutopia? Unfortunately for the likes of Riptide and First Aid, it turns out the answer is “very far indeed.”

Hearts? Really? Is this book even trying to pretend to be serious any more?

I don't know; the part where Atomizer has his gun under the table, pointed at Mainframe (just in case), was a nice touch. Not all the little details are bad.

Glarryg

Wow, Getaway really has become just cartoonishly evil at this point, hasn't he? I got the impression when this whole mutiny thing started, that Getaway was at least working from the extreme but not unreasonable perspective of "high command gave the guy responsible for the the deaths of thousands of my friends wrap on the wrist and a position of authority, what a slap in the face to the people who fought and died because of this guy. He's gotta go, it's only fair, our other captain is a moron anyway."

I didn't read the last issue, so the rest of you might not be surprised at this point, but this makes the whole situation a lot less compelling for me. Also, he's gotta be talking to Froid, right?

Thunder clash is a war hero not a teen heartthrob.

great looking art

MagicDeath wrote:Anyone here collect in this format? Any thoughts on it?

when i saw the dive in art quality i went trade for lost light (along with the fact that the "No 1" launch gimick meant my retailer didnt get an issue in till no 3) and after issue 6 of OP i did the same for it too.

i havent read it yet as it only arrived in the post yesterday but its a good HALF the price of individual issue for me and its the format i keep up to in titles ive dropped but still have an interest in. currently im a good halfway through hickmans run on FF for instance- with an aim to get to his secret wars "event" where anything worth buying at marvel comics ended

the time lag is a bastard.

it means ya cant come in and have casual posts with fellow seibertronians as you wont be up to speed for months on end. trade 2 of lost light for instance wont be out till march 18 so while i drop in now and again to see previews i cant really discuss something without ruining a story for myself. the flip side of course is you get the whole story at once.

i remember the bitching that was going around back in the furman days and the complaints about how slow "inflitration" and the like was in individual issues. pretty much everyone agreed it read better as a trade. in furmans defense he's admited that "writing for the trade" is the business model now though.

i will say its ALOT easier to store the trades too.

Glarryg wrote:I don't know; the part where Atomizer has his gun under the table, pointed at Mainframe (just in case), was a nice touch. Not all the little details are bad.

Glarryg

A touch and detail from something we were aware of for almost two years now. Maineframe was right upfront when the mutiny was reveled in the very same issue we saw them meeting up with people with the nudge gun under the table. It’s a detail that’s completely irrelevant and pointless to be pointed out.

Randomhero wrote:

Glarryg wrote:I don't know; the part where Atomizer has his gun under the table, pointed at Mainframe (just in case), was a nice touch. Not all the little details are bad.

Glarryg

A touch and detail from something we were aware of for almost two years now. Maineframe was right upfront when the mutiny was reveled in the very same issue we saw them meeting up with people with the nudge gun under the table. It’s a detail that’s completely irrelevant and pointless to be pointed out.

That's a pretty ungenerous posture. If someone appreciates that detail, why take their enjoyment away?

Randomhero wrote:

Glarryg wrote:I don't know; the part where Atomizer has his gun under the table, pointed at Mainframe (just in case), was a nice touch. Not all the little details are bad.

Glarryg

A touch and detail from something we were aware of for almost two years now. Maineframe was right upfront when the mutiny was reveled in the very same issue we saw them meeting up with people with the nudge gun under the table. It’s a detail that’s completely irrelevant and pointless to be pointed out.

Actually it isn't, it explains the difference in the crew that goes to Necroworld the first time vs. the second time. Mainframe, Hound, Atomizer, and Riptide were doing homework, not paling around. This flashback scene occurs during the events of issue 40, so it works out as the first trip to Necroworld is in 44.

If you're looking for something to be negative about, Thunderclash being there is an actual continuity error, unfortunately
https://twitter.com/jroberts332/status/ ... 2103428097

Is that a Getaway star in his hand?

News@Rama has a preview of Lost Light #11 at https://www.newsarama.com/37512-thunder ... eview.html

ROM VS. TRANSFORMERS: SHINING ARMOR #5 also has a Preview at https://shar.es/1MvzDh

A couple of Seibertron.com community members have linked to us to the full previews of this week's comics by IDW Publishing featuring our very own Cybertronian favourites, in two separate series, both on entertainment site Newsarama - first up, the second part of the 'Mutineers' Trilogy' on Transformers: Lost Light, going back to the ship itself, and finding out exactly what Getaway is up to after all. It's still not nice.

Take a read below, and come back for a review of the issue later this week, courtesy of Twincaster and IDWverse master (one of five) ScottyP.

Transformers: Lost Light #11
James Roberts (w) • Jack Lawrence (a & c)
Success? The crew of the Lost Light, led by the mutinous Getaway, is now only weeks away from completing their quest. But such remarkable progress comes at a price. Just how far is their new captain prepared to go to find Cyberutopia? Unfortunately for the likes of Riptide and First Aid, it turns out the answer is “very far indeed.”
FC • 32 pages • $3.99
Bullet points:
- Variant cover by Joana Lafuente!

I hope I can score a copy tomorrow!

Just read it.........



Jesus Christmas........

Lost Light 11 picks up right where we left off, still on the book's namesake ship with a crew collectively known as "The Mutineers". If issue 10 was about First Aid, then this chapter is best described as being about Getaway. The latest captain is the focus this time around, in a very densely plotted, continuity rich installment. The expected James Roberts character work is accompanied by Jack Lawrence, Joana Lafuente, and Tom B. Long on (most) visuals, and series followers anxiously await more detail and resolution to long lingering questions. Does this latest entry of Lost Light deliver the goods? Read on to find out!


Transformers fans have been chomping at the bit to hate Getaway at every turn. While it's a small disappointment to see a direction chosen that really does feed this contempt, there's a commitment to the decision that comes through on the page. Getaway is caught up in his own b.s. in such a complete, deep, hopeless way that the Megatron parallels seen both in word and deed weren't something I found to be a detriment - though as another perspective is valuable, it should be said that some on site staff feel the parallels might be a bit too on the nose.

Lost Light 11 shows Getaway managing a complex plan with constant obstacles tripping things up, with a desperation taking hold informing some less than scrupulous choices. One lie leads to another, with existing personality traits perpetuating a supercilious attitude that steadily gets worse. The emotion of doubling-down on a bad decision comes across as genuine, and while reading the book there's still a feeling that somewhere within the repressed secret agent style exterior is at least a faint tinge of regret with a side dish of remorse. Nothing feels cartoon-like with this villain work, and that's very welcome. Even Getaway's darkest moment in the story (well, a few come to mind) were closer to "James Bond is about to do something very bad that he shouldn't but whatever, he's James Bond" than "Megatron is going to blow up Sherman Dam, oh no!"


Despite the tight focus on Getaway, there are still other central elements to the story that provide satisfying perspective on events while moving the plot forward. Thunderclash provides a warrented presence that feels natural while framing chosen past events through a new set of eyes. This lends an accessibility to the book that I think is effective. Admittedly, I'm so deep into Fanboy Land at times with this series it's also possible that the continuity is so deeply entrenched at this point into my subconscious that this issue could be totally inaccessible and I wouldn't even know it, so bear this in mind. Exposition does occur but isn't too heavy for too long, and literally reprinted pages from a past issue are placed in appropriately to help catch up new or casual readers without taking any space from anything else. In other words, if hearing about reprinted parts worries you, there's no cause for concern because there are still 20 new story pages in the issue.


Thunderclash isn't the only perspective that comes as a welcome part of the story. As many will recall, in More Than Meets The Eye #50 Getaway was the apparent driving force behind a mutiny that left Megatron and "Team Rodimus" stranded and at the mercy of three terrifying villains: Overlord, the Decepticon Justice Division, and an army of 500 other Decepticons commanded by Deathsaurus. The crew of maybe-complicit-maybe-not mutineers was comprised of several Autobots that many fans couldn't bear to see in that position. After all, Hoist has a Rodimus Star! Riptide and Hound seem so nice! Perceptor couldn't have been in on it, he's Perceptor! Blaster!? He's too cool! Grapple lifts things!

Without giving things away, readers waiting for the endless speculation on certain character motivations to end should be pleased with this issue. Not every question gets answered, but there's a lot here to keep fueling, say, your posts here on the Energon Pub Forums about why Hound did nothing wrong for many weeks to come.


It took quite a while to figure out what to critique here, but it's probably fair to say that some subtlety in the book's political commentary would have been welcome. One of the moments in question almost comes across as an unintentional gag, whereas a touch of nuance could have helped convey a more focused message. Then again, perhaps given the situation at hand, the lack of even trying to hide swipes at today's real world attempts at hegemony is exactly what was called for.


Jack Lawrence is once again the main line-work artist for this installment, and this may very well be his best output yet. The considerable cast roster experiences one twist after another turn after another meeting around the furniture, but at no point do the facial expressions feel inappropriate or overdone. The tight environmental focus provided by the setting, that being the interior of the Lost Light itself, might help some readers notice the exemplary body language conveyed more than in earlier installments. Joana Lafuente's colors provide a brightness to the proceedings that help establish tone appropriately in the less than bright moments, with nothing ever coming across as washed out or out of focus. Tom B. Long's letters are indeed swoon-worthy, with no question as to which speech bubble comes next despite the presence of a high word count.

This week brings four covers, with the three order-able versions coming through the stalwart, steady teams of Lawrence and Lafuente, Nick Roche and Josh Burcham, plus fan favorites Alex Milne and Josh Perez. The thumbnail to this story features the Lawrence cover, for the sole reason of it having a "Getaway Star". As always, you can find images of all of those covers and full credits for the issue in our Vector Sigma Database page for Transformers: Lost Light #11, but do note it does contain a character appearance list that will spoil some of this issue's surprises!


Everything comes together in Lost Light #11 to yield a tight package that accomplishes so much in 22 pages that it's astounding. This series is on an upward trajectory and continues to surprise just when everything seems figured out. Only a couple small things are holding me back from assigning our rare, vast, predatory bird known as a perfect score for this installment, one of them being a lingering concern that some readers are unlikely to catch many of the details that make the story magic for me. I don't think anyone should skip this one due to that, just know that it might not have as much impact if your familiarity with the series has slipped or isn't there to begin with.

Between this and last week's Optimus Prime #13, Roberts and franchise co-creator John Barber are hitting a stride not seen in quite some time. As a long time reader, my excitement for the coming months is at a fever pitch once again, and it's an excellent time to get on board with IDW's Transformers comics.



Bonus! James Roberts' soundtrack suggestions for this issue:

• The Stone Roses - "I Am the Resurrection"
• Longpigs - "Lost Myself"
• The Rolling Stones - "You Can't Always Get What You Want"
• Morrissey - "I'll Never Be Anybody's Hero"

Great review! Thanks Scotty!

Re-read the issue while waiting on a customer, and I'll say it again: Jesus. Christ!

I disagree with a lot of the review, and my disagreements are woven into the review itself - I could see my frown in the asides. But! I want to wait to air my thoughts in case a podcast happens. If not, I'll come back here to discuss.

Va'al wrote:I disagree with a lot of the review, and my disagreements are woven into the review itself - I could see my frown in the asides. But! I want to wait to air my thoughts in case a podcast happens. If not, I'll come back here to discuss.

No, air them, please. Yours are among the very few who's thoughts on a new issue I look forward to reading.

Ironhidensh wrote:

Va'al wrote:I disagree with a lot of the review, and my disagreements are woven into the review itself - I could see my frown in the asides. But! I want to wait to air my thoughts in case a podcast happens. If not, I'll come back here to discuss.

No, air them, please. Yours are among the very few who's thoughts on a new issue I look forward to reading.

Indeed, don't hold back! I obviously took much of your feedback in, and then proceeded to almost immediately counterpoint like, all of it. I shouldn't be allowed to Getaway with that!

Also since it didn't make sense anywhere in the review: the allusion to Death's Head was incredible! I really hope the crazy IP forces of the universe make that happen.

ScottyP wrote:

Ironhidensh wrote:

Va'al wrote:I disagree with a lot of the review, and my disagreements are woven into the review itself - I could see my frown in the asides. But! I want to wait to air my thoughts in case a podcast happens. If not, I'll come back here to discuss.

No, air them, please. Yours are among the very few who's thoughts on a new issue I look forward to reading.

Indeed, don't hold back! I obviously took much of your feedback in, and then proceeded to almost immediately counterpoint like, all of it. I shouldn't be allowed to Getaway with that!

Also since it didn't make sense anywhere in the review: the allusion to Death's Head was incredible! I really hope the crazy IP forces of the universe make that happen.

Give it a couple more days. I'm still working through jetlag.

But the lack of subtlety was my biggest gripe, in all of the parallels and comments thrown around in the issue. From the very opening scene:



If all my previous issues with Getaway and Megatron were being subsumed into the plot, the overt parallels in #11 brought them back raging to the surface, and I'm once again unhappy with the treatment we're getting of the two characters, their similarities, and the readership.

On the other hand, I enjoyed this issue more than #10, despite the urge to go full Mirage on Getaway - who has now lost all traces of any kind of amorality field, and just gone full cartoon villain. That was the major point of the review I really disagree with. The plan is convoluted because of the difficulties that present themselves, and the resolutions are ..too easy. Where are the Scraplets from? Are Getaway and Atomizer really That Good at manipulation (verbal, mental, any other way), or is it just cheap narrative tricks? It just felt too easy. I'm repeating myself.

Ok, so my internet was knocked out over Thanksgiving weekend, and I finally got some time since it was restored. I read the wiki entry this morning while i was in my deer stand, and I read the comic once I got home. And Densh hit it on the head: Jesus. Christ.

Honestly, I really have no idea what to think about Getaway now. From what I gathered, and correct me if I'm wrong, this whole thing is because he believes he should be a Prime, and that has led to a character that has major pride issues, major lying issues, a huge case of narcissism, almost no sense of wrong for what he's doing to achieve that destiny he thinks he has, and ultimately, he sounds a bit like Prime Megatron, who turned evil because Optimus, not him, was chosen.

And now with all the different things he has, I really hate him. Legitimately hate him. He is a wretched character that is worse than most of the antagonists from IDW, and many in Transformers as a whole. He is horrible, and with Sunder now involved, they said that they did kill those crewmembers (or at least implied they would die when eaten down to the life strut or whatever), and memories now altered, how can this really be fixed? and how can next issue make it even worse?

On a plus side, I loved the Rodimus final message, and I also appreciate that Atomizer, while still a piece of crap, is seeing the faults in how far Getaway is going and also how selfish everything he has done is. He may be how things get better.

I wonder which crewmembers were sacrificed, other than Riptide (which sucks, I like him). And my question about how the crew, or at least Riptide, knew about the DJD is answered.

Either way, this was dark, and eye-opening, and holy crap so much more stuff.

As a small side note to end my post, I don't know why, but the political commentary from Roberts this issue made me twitch ever so slightly. I can understand using it sometimes, but with as frequent as it has been and in this case so blatant kinda made me tweak out for a second

Va'al wrote:Are Getaway and Atomizer really That Good at manipulation (verbal, mental, any other way), or is it just cheap narrative tricks? It just felt too easy. I'm repeating myself.

I mean, its amazing what you can get away with ehn youbhave ine of those [s]Men in Black Memory Wiper thingies [/s] Nudge Guns.

"I don't agree with this!" *Flash* "Whatvwas I saying?"
"You were hust agreeing with me."
"I was? Okay..."

Makes me want to go back to the MTMTE book where Ultra Magnus and Tailgate mention Thought Warfare. Just how far had Roberts planned this?

But yes. The implication from way back to Atomizer and Hot Rod (the vote list) is that Atomizer is that good. Maybe it would help if we had a pre established character with a history of being a huckster or a con artist like Hubcap (who is used) or Circuit (also already in use) instead of a new character and a relatively blank slate G1 guy.

Flashwave wrote:

Va'al wrote:Are Getaway and Atomizer really That Good at manipulation (verbal, mental, any other way), or is it just cheap narrative tricks? It just felt too easy. I'm repeating myself.

I mean, its amazing what you can get away with ehn youbhave ine of those [s]Men in Black Memory Wiper thingies [/s] Nudge Guns.

"I don't agree with this!" *Flash* "Whatvwas I saying?"
"You were hust agreeing with me."
"I was? Okay..."

Makes me want to go back to the MTMTE book where Ultra Magnus and Tailgate mention Thought Warfare. Just how far had Roberts planned this?

But yes. The implication from way back to Atomizer and Hot Rod (the vote list) is that Atomizer is that good. Maybe it would help if we had a pre established character with a history of being a huckster or a con artist like Hubcap (who is used) or Circuit (also already in use) instead of a new character and a relatively blank slate G1 guy.

*Nods in agreement

That's what I meant when I mentioned 'narratively lazy'. Did I mention that? Urgh. Sorry.
But essentially, I'm not too on board with a convenient device used to smoothen out a plot that is already too convoluted to the point of it being almost G1 Megatron/Cobra levels of layers.


Also, you make me raise a point I wanted to mention: Atomizer.

Atomizer is a dirtbag. What is his goal. Why is he even.

Meh. I read it because of support for IDW. They kinda need it but I’m just not a fan Roberts writing, never have been. I just don’t think he’s a good writer and personally I think some people just want it to be good because Of a wreckers comic that came out 8 years ago. My opinion don’t shoot me. I’m someone who reads comics. It’s my medium and I’m a continuity whore. I don’t just skim through and say “DERP DERP I DONT LIKE THIS!” Everyone knows by now over the passed few years if I don’t like something I will explain why and go into depth why.

With this comic I was just confused. For me it was all over the place. I couldn’t follow where it was taking place half the time especially with last issue being a time loop. I had to read the tfwiki article this morning to figure out the last quarter of the comic because I was just boggled with when things were happening.

Like I’ve admitted total continuity whore and all I kept thinking when they said it’s been 2 weeks since remain in light was “Jesus Christ this book is still going on during all hail Optimus!” This book is a year behind the rest of the Hasbroverse! revolution hasn’t even happened yet!” And while this book is isolated it just makes me wonder is it gonna catch up? It’s been a year in Optimus Prime and they all still think the lost light is lost again and everyone is dead!

I’m at a point where I hate getaway so much and that the point but I hate him to a point that I don’t want to read it anymore.

I don’t really buy the mind controls thing as something that was the original plan. In #50 they are beat to hell when they’re talking to the lost light and the mutineers present are watching and they don’t care that rodimus and crew are banged up bad. It honestly feels like Roberts saw people pissed that their beloved characters would participate with this mutiny, acting very out of character and saw the negativity and decided to work around that with “oh yeah sunder and froide are still around I can make it that sunder can change everyone’s mind” it feels like bad retcon to me.

I always took it that they dumped Froide and Sunder off somewhere after that story arc before dying ignore the light.



The art is lovely

I have huge problem with this comic and I feel I need to elaborate it. It’s regarding Froide and Sunder. I’m going to try and explain myself and my burning hatred for these two showing up.

1. Sunder

2. SUNDER!!!!! Seriously what the f&$@?!?! Why is he still on that ship! He has the power to use his mind and eyes to make you relive your worst memories, turn you inside out and into a beach ball or even kill you. The beach ball is legitimately worse probably. Why is he there and repaired. rung shot out his eyes- the key to his power- and had a shuttle thrown on him. After he turned a bunch of crew into inside out beach balls and terrorized the ship you’re telling me they repaired him. Nobody, not rodimus, not magnus or anyone didn’t just walk up him flat like a pancake after the rodpod smashed him and just stepped on his brain. He’s a serial killer that just terrorized and tortured the crew of the lost light without even touching them. I find it hard to believe.

3. Hes repaired. Even his eyes. When he’s reintroduced in this issue fully repaired...WITH HIS EYES! That thing that allowed him to torture and kill people and he’s casually walking from the brig to Rungs office with no security on panel. Are you kidding me? HE HAS HIS EYES! HES WALKING AROUND! Even with security we’ve seen that doesn’t matter because he’ll turn anyone he looks at into inside out beach balls!

4. He’s a drug addict. He’s addicted to memeories. He needs them like a crackhead needs crack and he’s once again just casually walking around chit chatting while Getaway is brokering a deal.

5. The deal. Let’s not kid ourselves, the moment Getaway said no deal he would have turned him into a beach ball, then Froide, then atomizer, then riptide and raped and pillaged the ship of memories until they were all dead....BECAUSE THEY LET HIM OUT WITH HIS EYES!

6. Froide. Froide is an interesting dude with his own problems but he was betrayed and turned into a beach ball too and here he is back to normal standing next to monster mash like nothing happened and even joining in on the graveyard smash. Seriously it’s like nothing happened a couple months ago. I don’t care how much of a nut ball you are you wouldn’t be standing next to him WITH HIS EYES INTACT and encouraging him to keep doing it.

Okay I’m done.

Randomhero wrote:I have huge problem with this comic and I feel I need to elaborate it. It’s regarding Froide and Sunder. I’m going to try and explain myself and my burning hatred for these two showing up.

1. Sunder

2. SUNDER!!!!! Seriously what the f&$@?!?! Why is he still on that ship! He has the power to use his mind and eyes to make you relive your worst memories, turn you inside out and into a beach ball or even kill you. The beach ball is legitimately worse probably. Why is he there and repaired. rung shot out his eyes- the key to his power- and had a shuttle thrown on him. After he turned a bunch of crew into inside out beach balls and terrorized the ship you’re telling me they repaired him. Nobody, not rodimus, not magnus or anyone didn’t just walk up him flat like a pancake after the rodpod smashed him and just stepped on his brain. He’s a serial killer that just terrorized and tortured the crew of the lost light without even touching them. I find it hard to believe.

3. Hes repaired. Even his eyes. When he’s reintroduced in this issue fully repaired...WITH HIS EYES! That thing that allowed him to torture and kill people and he’s casually walking from the brig to Rungs office with no security on panel. Are you kidding me? HE HAS HIS EYES! HES WALKING AROUND! Even with security we’ve seen that doesn’t matter because he’ll turn anyone he looks at into inside out beach balls!

4. He’s a drug addict. He’s addicted to memeories. He needs them like a crackhead needs crack and he’s once again just casually walking around chit chatting while Getaway is brokering a deal.

5. The deal. Let’s not kid ourselves, the moment Getaway said no deal he would have turned him into a beach ball, then Froide, then atomizer, then riptide and raped and pillaged the ship of memories until they were all dead....BECAUSE THEY LET HIM OUT WITH HIS EYES!

6. Froide. Froide is an interesting dude with his own problems but he was betrayed and turned into a beach ball too and here he is back to normal standing next to monster mash like nothing happened and even joining in on the graveyard smash. Seriously it’s like nothing happened a couple months ago. I don’t care how much of a nut ball you are you wouldn’t be standing next to him WITH HIS EYES INTACT and encouraging him to keep doing it.

Okay I’m done.

That's an excellent question. Another question: is there a reason Sunder doesn't just murder everyone? With his eyes intact, he can make people forget or believe virtually anything through eye contact alone. Why does he need to make deals at all?

To me, him being in this already convoluted story at all seems like a hand wave explanation for things that otherwise wouldn't make sense.

EXACTLY!

Just like how killlmaster was conveniently on the Necroworld even though whirl admitted to killing him (a very bland and under whelming death only for that to be a lie in which made no sense because if whirl had lied he would have made it an extravagant kill like he has before like in spotlight trailcutter). A world that was displaced by a weapon he conveniently created and a weapon that also conveniently can get them home except when they get home he was nowhere to be found even though the laws of the wand is transporting to a pocket dimension in their universe but is treated as a dimension hopping device for the sake of plot expediency

Va'al wrote:Are Getaway and Atomizer really That Good at manipulation (verbal, mental, any other way)

Nope, and I think what's being shown is playing on Getaway's secret squirrel side. Getaway is charismatic but has an inflated sense of self worth, and is very reliant on gadgets to the point where I think he's going to forget how far they've gotten him.

Atomizer isn't super great at either, I mean he misses his intended target spot on Thunderclash at really close range. Atomizer strikes me as a weak willed hanger-on that's placed his bet with Getaway. So far it has him punching way above his weight class, the little he even has to do said figurative punching.

ScottyP wrote:

Va'al wrote:Are Getaway and Atomizer really That Good at manipulation (verbal, mental, any other way)

Nope, and I think what's being shown is playing on Getaway's secret squirrel side. Getaway is charismatic but has an inflated sense of self worth, and is very reliant on gadgets to the point where I think he's going to forget how far they've gotten him.

Atomizer isn't super great at either, I mean he misses his intended target spot on Thunderclash at really close range. Atomizer strikes me as a weak willed hanger-on that's placed his bet with Getaway. So far it has him punching way above his weight class, the little he even has to do said figurative punching.

He didn’t miss. Thunderclash’s neck is just that glorious that an arrow can’t decapitate him.

Randomhero wrote:EXACTLY!

Just like how killlmaster was conveniently on the Necroworld even though whirl admitted to killing him (a very bland and under whelming death only for that to be a lie in which made no sense because if whirl had lied he would have made it an extravagant kill like he has before like in spotlight trailcutter). A world that was displaced by a weapon he conveniently created and a weapon that also conveniently can get them home except when they get home he was nowhere to be found even though the laws of the wand is transporting to a pocket dimension in their universe but is treated as a dimension hopping device for the sake of plot expediency

It's weird because despite being hailed as one of the continuity kings in his writing, Roberts keeps bringing back these minor yet interesting plot points and characters that he really should just leave alone to the readers imagination for the most part.

What's the point of having Killmaster around from a plot perspective? In that story's context he's only really there to provide a brief but ultimately pointless action scene and the wand so that Roberts can make narrative gymnastics happen that really didn't need to happen. Megatron already demonstrated the ability to warp things through time and space because of Dark Cybertron. I would've gladly accepted some magical science along that front to explain whatever universe hopping needed to happen so we didn't have to waste time and effort with an unnecessary macguffin.

ricemazter wrote:It's weird because despite being hailed as one of the continuity kings in his writing, Roberts keeps bringing back these minor yet interesting plot points and characters that he really should just leave alone to the readers imagination for the most part.

As someone who is only casually invested in the TF comics, I find it annoying.

I've said it before, and I'll keep saying it.

Bringing back these minor plot points, or even plot points from over five years ago, is just annoying.

It might be okay for folks who stay on top of characters and events, but for someone like me who finds himself sending Va'al a "when did this happen?" message after every issue just to keep track of things, is bloody annoying.

Thanks to Previews World, we now have images of two more covers for Transformers: Lost Light #12. The B cover is done by Nick Roche while the 10 incentive cover is done by Livio Ramondelli. Issue 12 is due next month right after Christmas and will feature the third part of the Mutineers Trilogy, which is all about finally getting back to the Lost Light, proper. Hopefully the presence of Megatron on the cover means something.

Here is the solicit for this particular issue:

(W) James Roberts (A) Jack Lawrence (CA) Livio Ramondelli
NO TURNING BACK! Getaway has crossed one too many lines and made one too many enemies. Hunted down on his own ship, the master manipulator has one last trick of his sleeve-something so shocking, so audacious, that it would put the most evil Decepticon to shame. No one is safe as the Mutineers Trilogy reaches its jaw-dropping climax.
In Shops: Dec 27, 2017

Cover B looks awesome. I am guessing that would be Mirage covered in energon 'blood'.

(I need to catch up on my Lost Light, have had a lot of stuff going on lately. Hopefully later in the week I can sneak off and grab them.)

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:As a small side note to end my post, I don't know why, but the political commentary from Roberts this issue made me twitch ever so slightly.

Honestly likewise. I don't disagree with it and have appreciated it before, but the direct quoting of both "fake news" and "strong and stable" was a little too on the nose for my taste, especially as whenever they're used by anyone but Trump/May now it's generally as a joke. Then again as the review says, perhaps in the current climate throwing subtlety to the wind is somewhat appropriate...

Va'al wrote:Are Getaway and Atomizer really That Good at manipulation (verbal, mental, any other way)
...
Also, you make me raise a point I wanted to mention: Atomizer.
Atomizer is a dirtbag. What is his goal. Why is he even.

Atomiser? Nah, but Getaway? Absolutely. The opening scene (featured in the issues preview) makes me feel legit a bit uncomfortable because of how spot on a depiction Getaway is of genuine real-life manipulative people I've know.
As far as what Atomisers role is... we've known he's been unhappy with the captaincy since Dark Cybertron, but beyond that he just seems like a stirrer, I guess? Even from issue 1 Magnus warned not to trust him with a crossbow. Perhaps he's just jealous of rodders having an identical colourscheme, and when purple-rod shows up again they'll be best of friends.

As for the scraplets, I was totslly under the impression that they were Whirl's baby from the Christmas issue? Granted, those weren't red, but I'm pretty sure they ended up in the medbay and it would explain the semi-domestication.


Other brief thougts:
Percy saying "it wouldn't be proper" to use Brainstorms lab warmed my heart
Getaway specifically making riptide forget how to transform, rather than the standard last-5-minutes, seems like it... wouldn't work? Brainstorm seems like the only one who both could and would make that kinda mod to the gun, and he's hardly around. Perhaps this will lead into #12 (or even a later return for boaty mcboatface). Either that or it is just Suddenly A Thing It Can Do, in which case I might finally have to hope on the lazy-plot-device bus.
Scotty, "Grapple lifts things" had me in stitches and earned me a few odd looks on my commute

ArmadaPrime wrote:

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:As a small side note to end my post, I don't know why, but the political commentary from Roberts this issue made me twitch ever so slightly.

Honestly likewise. I don't disagree with it and have appreciated it before, but the direct quoting of both "fake news" and "strong and stable" was a little too on the nose for my taste, especially as whenever they're used by anyone but Trump/May now it's generally as a joke. Then again as the review says, perhaps in the current climate throwing subtlety to the wind is somewhat appropriate...

Va'al wrote:Are Getaway and Atomizer really That Good at manipulation (verbal, mental, any other way)
...
Also, you make me raise a point I wanted to mention: Atomizer.
Atomizer is a dirtbag. What is his goal. Why is he even.

Atomiser? Nah, but Getaway? Absolutely. The opening scene (featured in the issues preview) makes me feel legit a bit uncomfortable because of how spot on a depiction Getaway is of genuine real-life manipulative people I've know.
As far as what Atomisers role is... we've known he's been unhappy with the captaincy since Dark Cybertron, but beyond that he just seems like a stirrer, I guess? Even from issue 1 Magnus warned not to trust him with a crossbow. Perhaps he's just jealous of rodders having an identical colourscheme, and when purple-rod shows up again they'll be best of friends.

As for the scraplets, I was totslly under the impression that they were Whirl's baby from the Christmas issue? Granted, those weren't red, but I'm pretty sure they ended up in the medbay and it would explain the semi-domestication.


Other brief thougts:
Percy saying "it wouldn't be proper" to use Brainstorms lab warmed my heart
Getaway specifically making riptide forget how to transform, rather than the standard last-5-minutes, seems like it... wouldn't work? Brainstorm seems like the only one who both could and would make that kinda mod to the gun, and he's hardly around. Perhaps this will lead into #12 (or even a later return for boaty mcboatface). Either that or it is just Suddenly A Thing It Can Do, in which case I might finally have to hope on the lazy-plot-device bus.
Scotty, "Grapple lifts things" had me in stitches and earned me a few odd looks on my commute

Actually the scraplets are not from the Christmas issue and not whirls baby. The scraplets in this issue date back aaaaaaaall the way from the start of MTMTE when it was subtly mentioned that they had a red scraplet infestation on the ship. The scraplets in the Christmas issue weren’t red like you said. Color is a thing. And one was seen in issue sixteen in a single panel of rewinds farewell to chromedome .

Nope, that cover with Megatron likely has nothing to do with the story. Probably just random unused art.

william-james88 wrote:Thanks to Previews World, we now have images of two more covers for Transformers: Lost Light #12. The B cover is done by Nick Roche while the 10 incentive cover is done by Livio Ramondelli. Issue 12 is due next month right after Christmas and will feature the third part of the Mutineers Trilogy, which is all about finally getting back to the Lost Light, proper. Hopefully the presence of Megatron on the cover means something.

Here is the solicit for this particular issue:

(W) James Roberts (A) Jack Lawrence (CA) Livio Ramondelli
NO TURNING BACK! Getaway has crossed one too many lines and made one too many enemies. Hunted down on his own ship, the master manipulator has one last trick of his sleeve-something so shocking, so audacious, that it would put the most evil Decepticon to shame. No one is safe as the Mutineers Trilogy reaches its jaw-dropping climax.
In Shops: Dec 27, 2017

Randomhero wrote:Actually the scraplets are not from the Christmas issue and not whirls baby. The scraplets in this issue date back aaaaaaaall the way from the start of MTMTE when it was subtly mentioned that they had a red scraplet infestation on the ship. The scraplets in the Christmas issue weren’t red like you said. Color is a thing. And one was seen in issue sixteen in a single panel of rewinds farewell to chromosome.

Good spot! I'd missed that entirely .