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UPDATE: RUMOR Hobby Link Japan to add Safety Cap to MP Megatron

Transformers News: UPDATE: RUMOR Hobby Link Japan to add Safety Cap to MP Megatron

Tuesday, January 30th, 2007 8:43PM CST

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According to Powered Convoy over at Allspark.com, he has received an e-mail from Hobby Link Japan stating that they will be adding the orange tip to the end of MP-05 Megatron. Here's what the e-mail read:

Hi,

I'm sorry to inform you that we will be making any
adjustments necessary to the item in order to comply with US
customs law. Even though it is packed in robot mode, it can still be transformed into a realistic looking gun and thus would require an orange tip at the end of the barrel. This is evident in Hasbro's TF Classics Megatron that although his alt mode does not resemble a real gun but it still has a
bright orange tip.

Thanks for your understanding.

-------
Joseph Tsai Yiing Haur
Products
HobbyLink Japan (www.hlj.com)


UPDATEWe have received word that this may be false. To see a recent e-mail from HLJ stating that this will only happen at the request of the buyer, click the Discuss button.

Please consider this a rumor until HLJ can issue a proper statement in regards to the orange cap.
Credit(s): HLJ,, Powered Convoy of Allspark, FracturedKoi

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Re: UPDATE: RUMOR Hobby Link Japan to add Safety Cap to MP Megatron (6488)
Posted by Down_Shift on January 30th, 2007 @ 8:47pm CST
Real One wrote:Not sure if this is legit :?

http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.ph ... opic=23356


I was just about to post that as news. I have a bad habbit of not checking our own forums before I post, but this time I did. So front paged and credited (among the others)

Oh well. Can't beat the law. I'm not complaining though, I'm not sure how it effects Canada mind you. Can't remember if the Snail gets has to ship through the states... :-?
Re: UPDATE: RUMOR Hobby Link Japan to add Safety Cap to MP Megatron (6495)
Posted by FracturedKoi on January 30th, 2007 @ 8:51pm CST
Well...crap.... I preordered mine from HLJ just after starting this thread.... Darned safety laws and their darned...safeness.
Re: UPDATE: RUMOR Hobby Link Japan to add Safety Cap to MP Megatron (6496)
Posted by 009* on January 30th, 2007 @ 8:53pm CST
Real One wrote:Not sure if this is legit :?

http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.ph ... opic=23356


Well, if getting Megatron unmodified won't happen, the next question should be how do we remove the cap?
Re: UPDATE: RUMOR Hobby Link Japan to add Safety Cap to MP Megatron (6513)
Posted by Ironhidensh on January 30th, 2007 @ 9:06pm CST
Once again, I remind everyone of TFC #6. Megatron came, shipped direct from overseas mind you, in gun form. G1 Megs looks a hell of a lot more realistic than the MP Megs will.


Now, how many of you had problems with him? Show of hands please.. anyone, anyone, anyone? No? Well, there you go.
Re: UPDATE: RUMOR Hobby Link Japan to add Safety Cap to MP Megatron (6540)
Posted by Liege Evilmus on January 30th, 2007 @ 9:28pm CST
I for one am happy about the orange caps, especialy those placed on laser type toys, or guns with clear green plastic chambers.

These toys are fun for those who enjoy them, but we have to think of the safty of everyone who may mistake that for a real ray gun.

These are social concerns! Think of the amont of roberies commited last year buy realistic looking plastic laser arms.

I feel we as a fan base should be more compassionate in these matters and maybe even rally in suport of the families who've suffered casualties in the ray gun wars both home and abroad.

Yes, Megatron is fun, but is that fun realy worth our sense of security and understanding for our fellow man?
Re: UPDATE: RUMOR Hobby Link Japan to add Safety Cap to MP Megatron (6551)
Posted by skywarp-2 on January 30th, 2007 @ 9:39pm CST
Once we have a legitiment list of stores that will be shipping unmodified Megatron MP-05s please post it, so i can cancel my order to HLJ and order from another source, i'm sick to my stomach now, and i'm very disappointed in the toy laws and HLJ for conforming to our countries outlandish law..parents lock your kids up at night, and cops make sure that 10 year old has a real gun before you draw your side arm!!
Re: UPDATE: RUMOR Hobby Link Japan to add Safety Cap to MP Megatron (6557)
Posted by skywarp-2 on January 30th, 2007 @ 9:42pm CST
009* wrote:
Real One wrote:Not sure if this is legit :?

http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.ph ... opic=23356


Well, if getting Megatron unmodified won't happen, the next question should be how do we remove the cap?



I hope it won't come to that!! If it does, lets hope they will sell unmodified resculpted barrels on ebay so we can unscrew the modified version and replace it with an almost identical Non orange tipped version.
Re: UPDATE: RUMOR Hobby Link Japan to add Safety Cap to MP Megatron (6559)
Posted by Liege Evilmus on January 30th, 2007 @ 9:42pm CST
skywarp-2 wrote:Once we have a legitiment list of stores that will be shipping unmodified Megatron MP-05s please post it, so i can cancel my order to HLJ and order from another source, i'm sick to my stomach now, and i'm very disappointed in the toy laws and HLJ for conforming to our countries outlandish law..parents lock your kids up at night, and cops make sure that 10 year old has a real gun before you draw your side arm!!


Barbarian!

Also, if my kids touch this first I'll wonder where I got kids from, second, they'll learn why to be afraid of guns as I beat them with bricks!
Re: UPDATE: RUMOR Hobby Link Japan to add Safety Cap to MP Megatron (6588)
Posted by Powermaster Jazz on January 30th, 2007 @ 10:08pm CST
Another site falls prey to the BS that BBTS started.
Re: UPDATE: RUMOR Hobby Link Japan to add Safety Cap to MP Megatron (6619)
Posted by Stormrider on January 30th, 2007 @ 10:49pm CST
skywarp-2 wrote:Once we have a legitiment list of stores that will be shipping unmodified Megatron MP-05s please post it, so i can cancel my order to HLJ and order from another source, i'm sick to my stomach now, and i'm very disappointed in the toy laws and HLJ for conforming to our countries outlandish law..parents lock your kids up at night, and cops make sure that 10 year old has a real gun before you draw your side arm!!


What if you threaten people with Megatron while he is in robot mode? :P
Re: UPDATE: RUMOR Hobby Link Japan to add Safety Cap to MP Megatron (6626)
Posted by MacrossFA19 on January 30th, 2007 @ 10:51pm CST
It is my opinion that the stores that are going to sell the OPENED, MODIFIED MP-05, that they should have a cheaper/discounted price. They are after all opening a collectible, and then forth ruining it with hot glue and orange tips.

As for the toy laws and politics of it all, I couldn't agree more with Skywarp-2.



Liege Evilmus Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 9:42 pm Post subject:


Barbarian!

Also, if my kids touch this first I'll wonder where I got kids from, second, they'll learn why to be afraid of guns as I beat them with bricks!



You wouldn't want them to use toy guns, but teach them to use household items, like bricks, as weapons? WHo is the barbarian?
Re: UPDATE: RUMOR Hobby Link Japan to add Safety Cap to MP Megatron (6635)
Posted by ZoneDaiatlas on January 30th, 2007 @ 11:03pm CST
I'm shocked that this is coming from Hobbylink Japan. HLJ was one of the safest and best places to get Transformers...
Re: UPDATE: RUMOR Hobby Link Japan to add Safety Cap to MP Megatron (6636)
Posted by ZoneDaiatlas on January 30th, 2007 @ 11:05pm CST
I think someone should start a thread on what Internet Toy Store is selling "Unmodified MP-05 Megatron"...
Re: UPDATE: RUMOR Hobby Link Japan to add Safety Cap to MP Megatron (6639)
Posted by dragons on January 30th, 2007 @ 11:07pm CST
i dont understand why toy companies doing that ornage tip stuff all you need is some black paint and there you go orange is pretty much usless if you black paint laying around to paint the tip black.
Re: UPDATE: RUMOR Hobby Link Japan to add Safety Cap to MP Megatron (6694)
Posted by Emperor Primacron the 1st on January 31st, 2007 @ 12:11am CST
dragons wrote:i dont understand why toy companies doing that ornage tip stuff all you need is some black paint and there you go orange is pretty much usless if you black paint laying around to paint the tip black.


It's gonna ruin the collectibility. Some people keep these fellows in the boxes.
Re: UPDATE: RUMOR Hobby Link Japan to add Safety Cap to MP Megatron (6781)
Posted by Autobot Skids on January 31st, 2007 @ 4:26am CST
The one I'm interested is reissue reissue 06 Megatron... and I want him without a cap...

But where to get him without a cap?

Skids
Re: UPDATE: RUMOR Hobby Link Japan to add Safety Cap to MP Megatron (6857)
Posted by Delta Supreme on January 31st, 2007 @ 7:07am CST
skywarp-2 wrote:Once we have a legitiment list of stores that will be shipping unmodified Megatron MP-05s please post it, so i can cancel my order to HLJ and order from another source, i'm sick to my stomach now, and i'm very disappointed in the toy laws and HLJ for conforming to our countries outlandish law..parents lock your kids up at night, and cops make sure that 10 year old has a real gun before you draw your side arm!!


I had to say something when I saw this one...

You see, it was this very situation, a 10 year old being shot, by a cop, over a realistic plastic M-16 type rifle, that led to the entire "orange cap" law.

When it comes to a threatening situation, the cop is trained to protect the lives of himself and all others before anything else. Said child did not comply with the cop's requests, and earned a bullet for it. After he was subdued, investigations quickly noticed that the M-16 was plastic, and the whole situation was deemed a "tragedy". One requiring a law to protect other obstinate 10 year olds with toy guns playing cops/robbers, paramilitary, etc.
Of course, I don't remember really even seeing a handful of plastic rifles in any store for years after this happened, because parents were afraid to buy their stubborn boys a toy gun, fearing they would "modify" it back to something that will get them shot...

Remember, this is America, land of the fee and home of the lawsuit. Any lawyer can make your actions not your problem if they can place "ultimate" blame someone else and get a ton of money from that other organization. See McDonalds and hot coffee, real-gun lawsuits, tobacco lawsuits, etc. for lots of examples...
Re: UPDATE: RUMOR Hobby Link Japan to add Safety Cap to MP Megatron (6909)
Posted by Cyberstrike on January 31st, 2007 @ 8:58am CST
Delta Supreme wrote:
skywarp-2 wrote:Once we have a legitimate list of stores that will be shipping unmodified Megatron MP-05s please post it, so i can cancel my order to HLJ and order from another source, i'm sick to my stomach now, and I'm very disappointed in the toy laws and HLJ for conforming to our countries outlandish law..parents lock your kids up at night, and cops make sure that 10 year old has a real gun before you draw your side arm!!
When it comes to a threatening situation, the cop is trained to protect the lives of himself and all others before anything else. Said child did not comply with the cop's requests, and earned a bullet for it. After he was subdued, investigations quickly noticed that the M-16 was plastic, and the whole situation was deemed a "tragedy". One requiring a law to protect other obstinate 10 year old with toy guns playing cops/robbers, paramilitary, etc.
Of course, I don't remember really even seeing a handful of plastic rifles in any store for years after this happened, because parents were afraid to buy their stubborn boys a toy gun, fearing they would "modify" it back to something that will get them shot.



There was also the story that a guy at the Botcon in St. Paul
(I think) a few years ago, who had bought a G1 Megatron and was going back to his hotel and he had they toy in gun mode next to him in the passenger seat.
Then he got pulled over for speeding and when the cop saw a realistic looking gun in the passenger seat he came very close to getting arrested for carrying a consealed weapon. Thankfully he was able to convince the officer it was only a toy by transforming the it into robot mode.

It should also be noted that when I bought the first reissue of the G1 Megatron (not the one in book box the one in the classic G1 Japanese packaging), I learned a very interesting fact that the Japanese versions of Megatron were pellet guns
the ones that were released in the USA back in 84 weren't.
Re: UPDATE: RUMOR Hobby Link Japan to add Safety Cap to MP Megatron (6916)
Posted by Emperor Primacron the 1st on January 31st, 2007 @ 9:01am CST
Delta Supreme wrote:
skywarp-2 wrote:Once we have a legitiment list of stores that will be shipping unmodified Megatron MP-05s please post it, so i can cancel my order to HLJ and order from another source, i'm sick to my stomach now, and i'm very disappointed in the toy laws and HLJ for conforming to our countries outlandish law..parents lock your kids up at night, and cops make sure that 10 year old has a real gun before you draw your side arm!!


I had to say something when I saw this one...

You see, it was this very situation, a 10 year old being shot, by a cop, over a realistic plastic M-16 type rifle, that led to the entire "orange cap" law.

When it comes to a threatening situation, the cop is trained to protect the lives of himself and all others before anything else. Said child did not comply with the cop's requests, and earned a bullet for it. After he was subdued, investigations quickly noticed that the M-16 was plastic, and the whole situation was deemed a "tragedy". One requiring a law to protect other obstinate 10 year olds with toy guns playing cops/robbers, paramilitary, etc.
Of course, I don't remember really even seeing a handful of plastic rifles in any store for years after this happened, because parents were afraid to buy their stubborn boys a toy gun, fearing they would "modify" it back to something that will get them shot...

Remember, this is America, land of the fee and home of the lawsuit. Any lawyer can make your actions not your problem if they can place "ultimate" blame someone else and get a ton of money from that other organization. See McDonalds and hot coffee, real-gun lawsuits, tobacco lawsuits, etc. for lots of examples...


Land of the free and home of dumbass uneducated, trigger happy pigs, er cops. You don't see other countries with the problem.

Bet the cop got away acott free too. :roll:
Re: UPDATE: RUMOR Hobby Link Japan to add Safety Cap to MP Megatron (6962)
Posted by Booda on January 31st, 2007 @ 9:57am CST
These toy laws are stupid. They litigate against the toys because they're "kid things," but if you litigated against the actual guns, everyone would be... well, up in arms. The threat is irrelevant. The law passed because the people who wrote it were entirely unaffected by it. It was just a way to win people over and stay in office.

And it makes more sense if an actual gun had an orange tip. Orange, red, and yellow are natural warning signs.
Re: UPDATE: RUMOR Hobby Link Japan to add Safety Cap to MP Megatron (6985)
Posted by Bee-otch on January 31st, 2007 @ 10:24am CST
You know what I have always wondered about the "realistic" toy guns with the orange tip, what if somebody paint the tip of their REAL gun orange? Would they be able to run around the streets with it? I mean if it has an orange tip, wouldn't that make it fake? :-?

Anyways, I have come to the point that if the only way that I can get that Megatron is with an orange tip, than so be it. I plan on keeping him in bot mode anyways, and from the pics I've seen I don't think it should affect it.
Re: UPDATE: RUMOR Hobby Link Japan to add Safety Cap to MP Megatron (6995)
Posted by Down_Shift on January 31st, 2007 @ 10:40am CST
So I received this from a friend today who shall remain nameless at their request:

Hi ********,

Not true. We'd prefer not to mess with those if we do not have to, so we will install them only on request.

--
Regards,

*********
********************
HobbyLink Japan
****************@HLJ.com



I hope this clears up some of the confusion that may have been caused. I will update the news to read that this is only a rumor until HLJ makes an offical statement. For the time being though, I would consider it de-bunked.
Re: UPDATE: RUMOR Hobby Link Japan to add Safety Cap to MP Megatron (7094)
Posted by Omega-1 on January 31st, 2007 @ 1:12pm CST
I find this orange cap issue amusing. So does that mean that if you live in the US and own a real handgun and mod it to have an orange cap, the cops can't shoot you if they see you pulling it out? I think they would treat it as if it were a real gun so I don't see how the orange caps makes any difference.
Re: UPDATE: RUMOR Hobby Link Japan to add Safety Cap to MP Megatron (7157)
Posted by Dagon on January 31st, 2007 @ 2:30pm CST
I've heard tell of a store in the Chicago suburbs that is going to sell the unmodified MP 5. I'll look into it.
Re: UPDATE: RUMOR Hobby Link Japan to add Safety Cap to MP Megatron (7168)
Posted by Ironhidensh on January 31st, 2007 @ 2:37pm CST
Emperor Primacron the 1st wrote:
Delta Supreme wrote:
skywarp-2 wrote:Once we have a legitiment list of stores that will be shipping unmodified Megatron MP-05s please post it, so i can cancel my order to HLJ and order from another source, i'm sick to my stomach now, and i'm very disappointed in the toy laws and HLJ for conforming to our countries outlandish law..parents lock your kids up at night, and cops make sure that 10 year old has a real gun before you draw your side arm!!


I had to say something when I saw this one...

You see, it was this very situation, a 10 year old being shot, by a cop, over a realistic plastic M-16 type rifle, that led to the entire "orange cap" law.

When it comes to a threatening situation, the cop is trained to protect the lives of himself and all others before anything else. Said child did not comply with the cop's requests, and earned a bullet for it. After he was subdued, investigations quickly noticed that the M-16 was plastic, and the whole situation was deemed a "tragedy". One requiring a law to protect other obstinate 10 year olds with toy guns playing cops/robbers, paramilitary, etc.
Of course, I don't remember really even seeing a handful of plastic rifles in any store for years after this happened, because parents were afraid to buy their stubborn boys a toy gun, fearing they would "modify" it back to something that will get them shot...

Remember, this is America, land of the fee and home of the lawsuit. Any lawyer can make your actions not your problem if they can place "ultimate" blame someone else and get a ton of money from that other organization. See McDonalds and hot coffee, real-gun lawsuits, tobacco lawsuits, etc. for lots of examples...


Land of the free and home of dumbass uneducated, trigger happy pigs, er cops. You don't see other countries with the problem.

Bet the cop got away acott free too. :roll:


If you brandish a gun at a cop, weather it be a toy or real, you deserve to be shot in the head.
Re: UPDATE: RUMOR Hobby Link Japan to add Safety Cap to MP Megatron (7183)
Posted by Crumplezone on January 31st, 2007 @ 2:43pm CST
Omega-1 wrote:I find this orange cap issue amusing. So does that mean that if you live in the US and own a real handgun and mod it to have an orange cap, the cops can't shoot you if they see you pulling it out? I think they would treat it as if it were a real gun so I don't see how the orange caps makes any difference.


I'm waiting for the story of the thick cop that gets shot because someone pulls a real gun on him with an orange cap. Perhaps then the US and UK will see how stupid this law is.
Then again in the UK we are getting this law because of rising gun crime not for if the police shoot the wrong guy for holding a toy. We do that anyway even if your holding an umbrella.
Re: UPDATE: RUMOR Hobby Link Japan to add Safety Cap to MP Megatron (7482)
Posted by Down_Shift on January 31st, 2007 @ 6:05pm CST
Omega-1 wrote:I find this orange cap issue amusing. So does that mean that if you live in the US and own a real handgun and mod it to have an orange cap, the cops can't shoot you if they see you pulling it out? I think they would treat it as if it were a real gun so I don't see how the orange caps makes any difference.


I had a good laugh at that. Interesting question though.
Re: UPDATE: RUMOR Hobby Link Japan to add Safety Cap to MP Megatron (7742)
Posted by Emperor Primacron the 1st on January 31st, 2007 @ 9:22pm CST
Ironhidensh wrote:
Emperor Primacron the 1st wrote:
Delta Supreme wrote:
skywarp-2 wrote:Once we have a legitiment list of stores that will be shipping unmodified Megatron MP-05s please post it, so i can cancel my order to HLJ and order from another source, i'm sick to my stomach now, and i'm very disappointed in the toy laws and HLJ for conforming to our countries outlandish law..parents lock your kids up at night, and cops make sure that 10 year old has a real gun before you draw your side arm!!


I had to say something when I saw this one...

You see, it was this very situation, a 10 year old being shot, by a cop, over a realistic plastic M-16 type rifle, that led to the entire "orange cap" law.

When it comes to a threatening situation, the cop is trained to protect the lives of himself and all others before anything else. Said child did not comply with the cop's requests, and earned a bullet for it. After he was subdued, investigations quickly noticed that the M-16 was plastic, and the whole situation was deemed a "tragedy". One requiring a law to protect other obstinate 10 year olds with toy guns playing cops/robbers, paramilitary, etc.
Of course, I don't remember really even seeing a handful of plastic rifles in any store for years after this happened, because parents were afraid to buy their stubborn boys a toy gun, fearing they would "modify" it back to something that will get them shot...

Remember, this is America, land of the fee and home of the lawsuit. Any lawyer can make your actions not your problem if they can place "ultimate" blame someone else and get a ton of money from that other organization. See McDonalds and hot coffee, real-gun lawsuits, tobacco lawsuits, etc. for lots of examples...


Land of the free and home of dumbass uneducated, trigger happy pigs, er cops. You don't see other countries with the problem.

Bet the cop got away acott free too. :roll:


If you brandish a gun at a cop, weather it be a toy or real, you deserve to be shot in the head.


first cop who shot that kid with the toy gun way back when derseves a slug in his own head.

Same thing for the guy with the rake they shot :P
Re: UPDATE: RUMOR Hobby Link Japan to add Safety Cap to MP Megatron (8431)
Posted by FracturedKoi on February 1st, 2007 @ 5:19pm CST
Guys I'm sorry to confirm this awful fact, but I just received work from HLJ today that they will indeed be modifying the figure. I've removed the customer service rep's name for his own...safety....

Hi,

HobbyLink Japan's policy on the TKT76016 MP-05 Masterpiece Megatron is
as follows:

For customers in the United States ONLY, HobbyLink Japan will be placing
a plastic orange cap over the end of the barrel in order to keep this
toy in compliance with Title 15, Chapter 76 of the United States Code.

See:
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin ... +15USC5001

Installing this cap on the item will require our staff to open the
packaging, which will break any tape sealing the box flaps. This will be
performed with the utmost care, but of course it will prevent us from
delivering this product to US customers in "unopened" condition. Note
that without this modification, your purchase could be confiscated by
the US Customs Service and/or you could be charged with a crime under
the above US Federal Law.

HobbyLink Japan understands and appreciates the desires of US-based toy
collectors related to merchandise of this nature, and we feel this is
the best solution to meet those needs under the circumstances. In order
to maintain your item's compliance with US laws, we recommend that you
not snap off the plastic cap after you have received the item.

-------
--*insert name here*--
Products
HobbyLink Japan (http://www.hlj.com?utm_source=seibertron.com&=&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=news%20post)

To quote Metallica, "you know it's sad but true"
Re: UPDATE: RUMOR Hobby Link Japan to add Safety Cap to MP Megatron (8658)
Posted by Emperor Primacron the 1st on February 1st, 2007 @ 10:20pm CST
HobbyLink Japan understands and appreciates the desires of US-based toy
collectors related to merchandise of this nature, and we feel this is
the best solution to meet those needs under the circumstances. In order
to maintain your item's compliance with US laws, we recommend that you
not snap off the plastic cap after you have received the item.


Not snap off the cap......what DREAM WORLD is that guy living in. :P

I can feel Hobbylink is not going to make much sales with Megatron. :-P
Re: UPDATE: RUMOR Hobby Link Japan to add Safety Cap to MP Megatron (8708)
Posted by Down_Shift on February 2nd, 2007 @ 12:15am CST
FracturedKoi wrote: I just received work from HLJ today
So do you work for HLJ :???:
Re: UPDATE: RUMOR Hobby Link Japan to add Safety Cap to MP Megatron (8719)
Posted by MagnusPrimal on February 2nd, 2007 @ 12:29am CST
Emperor Primacron the 1st wrote:
Delta Supreme wrote:
skywarp-2 wrote:Once we have a legitiment list of stores that will be shipping unmodified Megatron MP-05s please post it, so i can cancel my order to HLJ and order from another source, i'm sick to my stomach now, and i'm very disappointed in the toy laws and HLJ for conforming to our countries outlandish law..parents lock your kids up at night, and cops make sure that 10 year old has a real gun before you draw your side arm!!


I had to say something when I saw this one...

You see, it was this very situation, a 10 year old being shot, by a cop, over a realistic plastic M-16 type rifle, that led to the entire "orange cap" law.

When it comes to a threatening situation, the cop is trained to protect the lives of himself and all others before anything else. Said child did not comply with the cop's requests, and earned a bullet for it. After he was subdued, investigations quickly noticed that the M-16 was plastic, and the whole situation was deemed a "tragedy". One requiring a law to protect other obstinate 10 year olds with toy guns playing cops/robbers, paramilitary, etc.
Of course, I don't remember really even seeing a handful of plastic rifles in any store for years after this happened, because parents were afraid to buy their stubborn boys a toy gun, fearing they would "modify" it back to something that will get them shot...

Remember, this is America, land of the fee and home of the lawsuit. Any lawyer can make your actions not your problem if they can place "ultimate" blame someone else and get a ton of money from that other organization. See McDonalds and hot coffee, real-gun lawsuits, tobacco lawsuits, etc. for lots of examples...


Land of the free and home of dumbass uneducated, trigger happy pigs, er cops. You don't see other countries with the problem.

Bet the cop got away acott free too. :roll:


Yeah, it's the cops fault. :roll: Sorry, but what should a cop do if a gun is pointed at him? Remember, these look like real guns.
I don't think adult collectables like this should have to be altered, but don't blame the cops.
Re: UPDATE: RUMOR Hobby Link Japan to add Safety Cap to MP Megatron (8866)
Posted by Ironhidensh on February 2nd, 2007 @ 8:13am CST
Emperor Primacron the 1st wrote:
Ironhidensh wrote:
Emperor Primacron the 1st wrote:
Delta Supreme wrote:
skywarp-2 wrote:Once we have a legitiment list of stores that will be shipping unmodified Megatron MP-05s please post it, so i can cancel my order to HLJ and order from another source, i'm sick to my stomach now, and i'm very disappointed in the toy laws and HLJ for conforming to our countries outlandish law..parents lock your kids up at night, and cops make sure that 10 year old has a real gun before you draw your side arm!!


I had to say something when I saw this one...

You see, it was this very situation, a 10 year old being shot, by a cop, over a realistic plastic M-16 type rifle, that led to the entire "orange cap" law.

When it comes to a threatening situation, the cop is trained to protect the lives of himself and all others before anything else. Said child did not comply with the cop's requests, and earned a bullet for it. After he was subdued, investigations quickly noticed that the M-16 was plastic, and the whole situation was deemed a "tragedy". One requiring a law to protect other obstinate 10 year olds with toy guns playing cops/robbers, paramilitary, etc.
Of course, I don't remember really even seeing a handful of plastic rifles in any store for years after this happened, because parents were afraid to buy their stubborn boys a toy gun, fearing they would "modify" it back to something that will get them shot...

Remember, this is America, land of the fee and home of the lawsuit. Any lawyer can make your actions not your problem if they can place "ultimate" blame someone else and get a ton of money from that other organization. See McDonalds and hot coffee, real-gun lawsuits, tobacco lawsuits, etc. for lots of examples...


Land of the free and home of dumbass uneducated, trigger happy pigs, er cops. You don't see other countries with the problem.

Bet the cop got away acott free too. :roll:


If you brandish a gun at a cop, weather it be a toy or real, you deserve to be shot in the head.


first cop who shot that kid with the toy gun way back when derseves a slug in his own head.

Same thing for the guy with the rake they shot :P


Sorry, but you're damned wrong. Kid threatened a cop, he got what he deserved.
Re: UPDATE: RUMOR Hobby Link Japan to add Safety Cap to MP Megatron (8872)
Posted by Glyph on February 2nd, 2007 @ 8:23am CST
Emperor Primacron the 1st wrote:
In order to maintain your item's compliance with US laws, we recommend that you not snap off the plastic cap after you have received the item.

Not snap off the cap......what DREAM WORLD is that guy living in. :P

Heh... to me, that sounds an awful lot like: "Because your US toy laws require the modification, we heartily recommend that you do not snap off the orange cap. We particularly do not recommend that you take advantage of the fact that the cap has not been glued onto the toy. For your own peace of mind, we cannot endorse taking off the easily-removable cap by opening the clip located just here."


On another note...
Ironhidensh wrote:If you brandish a gun at a cop, weather it be a toy or real, you deserve to be shot in the head.

...

Words fail me.
Re: UPDATE: RUMOR Hobby Link Japan to add Safety Cap to MP Megatron (8903)
Posted by Redimus on February 2nd, 2007 @ 8:55am CST
Why must american cops shoot to kill exactly? I know it wont be a nice experiance for the kid, but if they shot em in the arm, then it would disable the kid's ability to use the gun real or not, wouldnt it? And kids, hardly the best marksmen.

I hate how paranoid and anal the world and it's laws are right now, I really do.
Re: UPDATE: RUMOR Hobby Link Japan to add Safety Cap to MP Megatron (8916)
Posted by Anonymous on February 2nd, 2007 @ 9:10am CST
Ironhidensh wrote:Sorry, but you're damned wrong. Kid threatened a cop, he got what he deserved.


When I was 10 if a police officer pointed a gun at me and shouted me to drop my weapon when I was holding one of my toys I would be so scared I'd be paralysed, I can understand why the kid didn't comply. I wonder if you'd make the same statement if the same thing happened to a 10yr old relative of yours. At the same time I wonder if I'd have the same sympathy for the kid if one of my relatives or friends were put in the same situation as the cop. :-?
Re: UPDATE: RUMOR Hobby Link Japan to add Safety Cap to MP Megatron (8933)
Posted by Down_Shift on February 2nd, 2007 @ 9:38am CST
Glyph wrote:
Ironhidensh wrote:If you brandish a gun at a cop, weather it be a toy or real, you deserve to be shot in the head.

...

Words fail me.


Well they don't fail me. I couldn't disagree more. One of my best friends is a cop. He's had a gun pulled on him more then once and he's only 26. People, in general are scared of police officers. Regardless of what they look like, simply because of the intimidation factor that they are the law. I know he's talked more then one person from putting down a fire arm pointed at him or his partners. If he flew off the handle and started shooting everyone that had a gun in their hands, there's more then a good chance he himself would be the one arrested and no better then the bad people out there that break the law; the law in which he upholds. Not all cops are bad copes and idiots.
Re: UPDATE: RUMOR Hobby Link Japan to add Safety Cap to MP Megatron (8936)
Posted by Omega-1 on February 2nd, 2007 @ 9:41am CST
FracturedKoi wrote:HobbyLink Japan understands and appreciates the desires of US-based toy
collectors related to merchandise of this nature, and we feel this is
the best solution to meet those needs under the circumstances. In order
to maintain your item's compliance with US laws, we recommend that you
not snap off the plastic cap after you have received the item.


Hmm... I wonder if that is their subtle way of saying that, 'the cap is easily removable but we are just trying to cover our asses by putting int this statement.'
Re: UPDATE: RUMOR Hobby Link Japan to add Safety Cap to MP Megatron (8951)
Posted by 009* on February 2nd, 2007 @ 9:58am CST
Omega-1 wrote:
FracturedKoi wrote:HobbyLink Japan understands and appreciates the desires of US-based toy collectors related to merchandise of this nature, and we feel this is the best solution to meet those needs under the circumstances. In order to maintain your item's compliance with US laws, we recommend that you not snap off the plastic cap after you have received the item.


Hmm... I wonder if that is their subtle way of saying that, 'the cap is easily removable but we are just trying to cover our asses by putting int this statement.'


You know, I thought about emailing BBTS what their modification to MP-05 would be like, since the page for it says they'd be adding a plug, but I decided not to in case it caused them to add something bigger than a plug.
Re: UPDATE: RUMOR Hobby Link Japan to add Safety Cap to MP Megatron (8955)
Posted by Emperor Primacron the 1st on February 2nd, 2007 @ 10:02am CST
Redimus wrote:Why must american cops shoot to kill exactly? I know it wont be a nice experiance for the kid, but if they shot em in the arm, then it would disable the kid's ability to use the gun real or not, wouldnt it? And kids, hardly the best marksmen.

I hate how paranoid and anal the world and it's laws are right now, I really do.


They shoot to kill cause it's more easy for them, and most will get away with no punishment if it is an accident.

Hence why I do NOT put police officers on pedistals like many americans do. *hears gasps of shock* Same with doctors.

Ever since 9-11, there is some mentallity out there that we gotta LOVE and CHERISH our authority figures......not me. Come over here to South East Michigan, the police here act more like the people they are suppossed to protect us from. And are alot more dangerous. Like the deaf guy that got down by cops who was weilding a rake. They just pumped him full of slugs. In New Orlens, a guy with a knife was gunned down...and he was not even running at the cop, just walking slowly. Could have easily shot him ( or better yet, imoblize him through a more non leathal way ) in the leg or arm, but that would take too much work for the cop it seems. :roll: Same thing with Tazer guns, they are just as dangerous. If a regular person shoots someone in self defence, he gets all the shit thrown at him in court and gets charged with murder, manslaughter, gun crimes and all that. A cop, just cause he has a badge, can get away with it, even accidental killings where the dead person did nothing wrong, you outta see the high speed chases the cops here are infamous for, they cause more injury, deaths and colateral damage than you believe.

A few years ago, a fellow over here wanted to apply for the police force, but was rejected. Why? Cause he scored too high of a test score. That's right, he was turned down cause he was too smart......to think, a police officer that might actually think rather than be the same old officer Wiggum and Barney Fife. So if you have a juicy brain full of intelligence, you won't be able to do a cop's job it seems. :roll:
Re: UPDATE: RUMOR Hobby Link Japan to add Safety Cap to MP Megatron (9027)
Posted by Hans on February 2nd, 2007 @ 12:44pm CST
Robotkingdom.com for instance explicitly states they won't be modifying it, but I don't know.... you WILL lose your figure to customs if they happen to inspect the package. I think it's better to just take the cap off again after receiving it. Unless you're a MISB-type collector of course...

I just hope HLJ won't make the mistake of sending me a US version MP Megatron....

Crazy Americans. Real guns are okay and perfectly legal, but toy guns are forbidden. Absurd. At least it's the other way around in Europe, as it should be.
Re: UPDATE: RUMOR Hobby Link Japan to add Safety Cap to MP Megatron (9043)
Posted by 009* on February 2nd, 2007 @ 1:21pm CST
Hans wrote:Robotkingdom.com for instance explicitly states they won't be modifying it, but I don't know.... you WILL lose your figure to customs if they happen to inspect the package. I think it's better to just take the cap off again after receiving it. Unless you're a MISB-type collector of course...

I just hope HLJ won't make the mistake of sending me a US version MP Megatron....

Crazy Americans. Real guns are okay and perfectly legal, but toy guns are forbidden. Absurd. At least it's the other way around in Europe, as it should be.


Yeah, I'm planning to just bite the bullet and get a modified version and then try to remove the cap or whatever's been added to the tip. Who knows, maybe it won't be glued on; I mean the tip on Classics Megatron's shoulder can be pryed off.
Re: UPDATE: RUMOR Hobby Link Japan to add Safety Cap to MP Megatron (9082)
Posted by GetterDragun on February 2nd, 2007 @ 2:10pm CST
Emperor Primacron the 1st wrote:
Redimus wrote:Why must american cops shoot to kill exactly? I know it wont be a nice experiance for the kid, but if they shot em in the arm, then it would disable the kid's ability to use the gun real or not, wouldnt it? And kids, hardly the best marksmen.

I hate how paranoid and anal the world and it's laws are right now, I really do.


They shoot to kill cause it's more easy for them, and most will get away with no punishment if it is an accident.



What you are describing is a murderer. I'm sure a cop would prefer to live without the guilt of killing someone more than that it was a way to not do paperwork.
Re: UPDATE: RUMOR Hobby Link Japan to add Safety Cap to MP Megatron (9130)
Posted by muswp1 on February 2nd, 2007 @ 3:01pm CST
Glyph wrote:
Emperor Primacron the 1st wrote:
In order to maintain your item's compliance with US laws, we recommend that you not snap off the plastic cap after you have received the item.

Not snap off the cap......what DREAM WORLD is that guy living in. :P

Heh... to me, that sounds an awful lot like: "Because your US toy laws require the modification, we heartily recommend that you do not snap off the orange cap. We particularly do not recommend that you take advantage of the fact that the cap has not been glued onto the toy. For your own peace of mind, we cannot endorse taking off the easily-removable cap by opening the clip located just here."


I'm sure that didn't cross anyone's mind. Whatever plug can be attached, an enterprising collector can unattach.
Re: UPDATE: RUMOR Hobby Link Japan to add Safety Cap to MP Megatron (10115)
Posted by muswp1 on February 3rd, 2007 @ 3:55pm CST
muswp1 wrote:I think toynk.com will have unmodified TFC-6 reissues. I can go to the store this weekend and check it they will have those and unmodified MP-05's.


Finally got the chance to speak to Tim at toynk.com. He said he's trying to see if his distributors can get him unmodified MP-05's, but he isn't sure. Now he was able to get unmodified TFC-6 Megatron reissues with no problems (those are much closer replicas of the P-38 pistol than the MP release would be, plus it packaged in pistol mode), so that's an encouraging sign.

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