Unused Transformers Energon Prowl Prototype Head
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Those of you who were collecting back in the Transformers Energon days probably remember Prowl's instruction sheet featured a different head sculpt from what ultimately ended up on the figure's retail version. The Transformers Wiki has managed to come up with some new images of this prototype head sculpt. As you can see in the image mirrored below, the head is completely different with the exception of the tailpipes.
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Re: Unused Transformers Energon Prowl Prototype Head (1510588)
Posted by RhA on August 9th, 2013 @ 8:25am CDT
Posted by RhA on August 9th, 2013 @ 8:25am CDT
I've always favored the full helmet design. I'm a little surprised that it made it into prototype-stage.
Re: Unused Transformers Energon Prowl Prototype Head (1510589)
Posted by Superwheeljack on August 9th, 2013 @ 8:26am CDT
Posted by Superwheeljack on August 9th, 2013 @ 8:26am CDT
Not really news...
Energon was a line no one liked, the show sucked 20 times worse
And that was 8 years ago....
Energon was a line no one liked, the show sucked 20 times worse
And that was 8 years ago....
Re: Unused Transformers Energon Prowl Prototype Head (1510596)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on August 9th, 2013 @ 8:33am CDT
I liked the Energon line!
And new reveals in older lines is still newsworthy for those interested.
Surprised that the head made it to prototype. I wonder what happened: this head was dropped in favor of the current, or were both designed at the same time, the precursor to pretools?
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on August 9th, 2013 @ 8:33am CDT
Superwheeljack wrote:Not really news...
Energon was a line no one liked, the show sucked 20 times worse
And that was 8 years ago....
I liked the Energon line!
And new reveals in older lines is still newsworthy for those interested.Surprised that the head made it to prototype. I wonder what happened: this head was dropped in favor of the current, or were both designed at the same time, the precursor to pretools?
Re: Unused Transformers Energon Prowl Prototype Head (1510597)
Posted by El Duque on August 9th, 2013 @ 8:35am CDT
Thank you sir.
Posted by El Duque on August 9th, 2013 @ 8:35am CDT
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:I liked the Energon line! And new reveals in older lines is still newsworthy for those interested.
Thank you sir.
Re: Unused Transformers Energon Prowl Prototype Head (1510598)
Posted by bluecatcinema on August 9th, 2013 @ 8:40am CDT
Posted by bluecatcinema on August 9th, 2013 @ 8:40am CDT
Ugh, I can see why they didn't use it.
Re: Unused Transformers Energon Prowl Prototype Head (1510610)
Posted by MagnetarPrime on August 9th, 2013 @ 9:04am CDT
I have to respectfully disagree 100% with your statement.
I own this and many other TF energon figures,,, they are cool. and it was more than 8 years ago. Maybe someday I will get the TF energon figures that my collection is missing
Posted by MagnetarPrime on August 9th, 2013 @ 9:04am CDT
Superwheeljack wrote:Not really news...
Energon was a line no one liked, the show sucked 20 times worse
And that was 8 years ago....
I have to respectfully disagree 100% with your statement.
I own this and many other TF energon figures,,, they are cool. and it was more than 8 years ago. Maybe someday I will get the TF energon figures that my collection is missing
Re: Unused Transformers Energon Prowl Prototype Head (1510613)
Posted by T-Macksimus on August 9th, 2013 @ 9:25am CDT
I'd have to respectfully disagree as well. Energon and the 2007 Movie line are the two lines that I have come closest to completing and I wouldn't invest that kind of money if I thought something sucked. Everyone has their own tastes though so I can't begrudge a negative opinion, just being lumped into someone else's opinion.
What would have been cool would be if they had released this variant for the Prowl/Rodimus 2 pack. Give it that little bit extra exclusiveness besides just the altered paint deco.
Posted by T-Macksimus on August 9th, 2013 @ 9:25am CDT
MagnetarPrime wrote:Superwheeljack wrote:Not really news...
Energon was a line no one liked, the show sucked 20 times worse
And that was 8 years ago....
I have to respectfully disagree 100% with your statement.
I own this and many other TF energon figures,,, they are cool. and it was more than 8 years ago. Maybe someday I will get the TF energon figures that my collection is missing
I'd have to respectfully disagree as well. Energon and the 2007 Movie line are the two lines that I have come closest to completing and I wouldn't invest that kind of money if I thought something sucked. Everyone has their own tastes though so I can't begrudge a negative opinion, just being lumped into someone else's opinion.
What would have been cool would be if they had released this variant for the Prowl/Rodimus 2 pack. Give it that little bit extra exclusiveness besides just the altered paint deco.
Re: Unused Transformers Energon Prowl Prototype Head (1510614)
Posted by gothsaurus on August 9th, 2013 @ 9:31am CDT
Posted by gothsaurus on August 9th, 2013 @ 9:31am CDT
Hear hear. Quite exciting to see! While new reveals for upcoming toys are exciting at the time... after the toy is released, it's something EVERYONE has...
but super secret rare prototypes that NO ONE has, that gets me excited. Thanks for posting. ALWAYS interesting.
but super secret rare prototypes that NO ONE has, that gets me excited. Thanks for posting. ALWAYS interesting.
Re: Unused Transformers Energon Prowl Prototype Head (1510619)
Posted by Coptur on August 9th, 2013 @ 10:01am CDT
Posted by Coptur on August 9th, 2013 @ 10:01am CDT
Pretty to see some thing new(old).
the autobots were terrible but the decepticon toys were some of the best transformers produced Sharkticon being one of my all time favourite figures.
the autobots were terrible but the decepticon toys were some of the best transformers produced Sharkticon being one of my all time favourite figures.
Re: Unused Transformers Energon Prowl Prototype Head (1510620)
Posted by Dead Metal on August 9th, 2013 @ 10:08am CDT
Yes I agree the show sucked, but that's kinda like pointing out that water is wet.
The toys where decent, well most of the Autobots where crap, but the Cons were awesome. And people did like that line, it was also very hard to get at the time, with distribution on TRU Masterpiece levels.
I love seeing concept art and prototypes, it's just something about the material and colour of prototypes that just make them look so much cooler than the final product.
I have to say, this head looks [DR Evil]1000 million times [/DR Evil]better than the one the toy ended up with.
Posted by Dead Metal on August 9th, 2013 @ 10:08am CDT
Superwheeljack wrote:Not really news...
Energon was a line no one liked, the show sucked 20 times worse
And that was 8 years ago....
Yes I agree the show sucked, but that's kinda like pointing out that water is wet.
The toys where decent, well most of the Autobots where crap, but the Cons were awesome. And people did like that line, it was also very hard to get at the time, with distribution on TRU Masterpiece levels.
I love seeing concept art and prototypes, it's just something about the material and colour of prototypes that just make them look so much cooler than the final product.
I have to say, this head looks [DR Evil]1000 million times [/DR Evil]better than the one the toy ended up with.
Re: Unused Transformers Energon Prowl Prototype Head (1510629)
Posted by RhA on August 9th, 2013 @ 10:23am CDT
Some GREAT toys came from that line. Terrorcons, especially Ravage, Megatron and that sweet Optimus/Wingsaber combination.
Posted by RhA on August 9th, 2013 @ 10:23am CDT
Dead Metal wrote:Superwheeljack wrote:Not really news...
Energon was a line no one liked, the show sucked 20 times worse
And that was 8 years ago....
Yes I agree the show sucked, but that's kinda like pointing out that water is wet.
The toys where decent, well most of the Autobots where crap, but the Cons were awesome. And people did like that line, it was also very hard to get at the time, with distribution on TRU Masterpiece levels.
I love seeing concept art and prototypes, it's just something about the material and colour of prototypes that just make them look so much cooler than the final product.
I have to say, this head looks [DR Evil]1000 million times [/DR Evil]better than the one the toy ended up with.
Some GREAT toys came from that line. Terrorcons, especially Ravage, Megatron and that sweet Optimus/Wingsaber combination.
Re: Unused Transformers Energon Prowl Prototype Head (1510630)
Posted by gothsaurus on August 9th, 2013 @ 10:25am CDT
Posted by gothsaurus on August 9th, 2013 @ 10:25am CDT
Agreed. Most of the Autobots look dreadful, but Sharkticon Megatron and Shockwave both look amazing. Great idea and nicely executed.
Have to say the Takara decos of the beasts trump anything stateside, though.
Have to say the Takara decos of the beasts trump anything stateside, though.
Re: Unused Transformers Energon Prowl Prototype Head (1510635)
Posted by Sabrblade on August 9th, 2013 @ 10:37am CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on August 9th, 2013 @ 10:37am CDT
Yeah, the Energon toyline was universally beloved. It had some awesome toys in it.
The show was what was terrible, while the comics were pretty decent.
As for this head, it looks pretty cool and... somewhat familiar. I can't think of why, though, since I'm pretty sure I don't remember it from the instructions.
The show was what was terrible, while the comics were pretty decent.
As for this head, it looks pretty cool and... somewhat familiar. I can't think of why, though, since I'm pretty sure I don't remember it from the instructions.
Re: Unused Transformers Energon Prowl Prototype Head (1510641)
Posted by Dead Metal on August 9th, 2013 @ 10:46am CDT
Patlabor.
Posted by Dead Metal on August 9th, 2013 @ 10:46am CDT
Sabrblade wrote:As for this head, it looks pretty cool and... somewhat familiar. I can't think of why, though, since I pretty sure I don't remember it from the instructions.
Patlabor.
Re: Unused Transformers Energon Prowl Prototype Head (1510648)
Posted by welcometothedarksyde on August 9th, 2013 @ 10:58am CDT
Posted by welcometothedarksyde on August 9th, 2013 @ 10:58am CDT
Is it possible that this mold was originally intended as Energon Blurr, because that headsculpt looks a lot like Armada Blurr
Re: Unused Transformers Energon Prowl Prototype Head (1510654)
Posted by Sabrblade on August 9th, 2013 @ 11:17am CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on August 9th, 2013 @ 11:17am CDT
That might be what it reminds me of, thanks.welcometothedarksyde wrote:Is it possible that this mold was originally intended as Energon Blurr, because that headsculpt looks a lot like Armada Blurr
Re: Unused Transformers Energon Prowl Prototype Head (1510659)
Posted by Mindmaster on August 9th, 2013 @ 11:26am CDT
Posted by Mindmaster on August 9th, 2013 @ 11:26am CDT
Prowl here was my first Energon figure (memories, man, memories). I actually do remember the oddity in Prowl's instructions, and I remember thinking that it was strange. This head looks okay, but I think I prefer the final head.
'Scuse me sir, but after Armada ended, I thought Transformers was over for good (I was a kid, leave me alone). When I saw Energon on television, and saw my old favorite Autobots and Decepticons, I couldn't believe it. Yes, totally agree with the majority of the fandom when they say the show itself was not up to parr with its predecessors and successors, however, Energon was the one that got me back into Transformers when I thought they had gone. Plus, some of my favorite Transformers toys came from Energon (the five-man combiner teams, to be specific).
Superwheeljack wrote:Energon was a line no one liked, the show sucked 20 times worse.
'Scuse me sir, but after Armada ended, I thought Transformers was over for good (I was a kid, leave me alone). When I saw Energon on television, and saw my old favorite Autobots and Decepticons, I couldn't believe it. Yes, totally agree with the majority of the fandom when they say the show itself was not up to parr with its predecessors and successors, however, Energon was the one that got me back into Transformers when I thought they had gone. Plus, some of my favorite Transformers toys came from Energon (the five-man combiner teams, to be specific).
Re: Unused Transformers Energon Prowl Prototype Head (1510667)
Posted by gothsaurus on August 9th, 2013 @ 11:47am CDT
Posted by gothsaurus on August 9th, 2013 @ 11:47am CDT
Agreed the TOYLINE for Energon had some super offerings. Scorponok for one, plus ALL of the basics were really great figures. (I could have used a Bombshell G1 colored version of that Insecticon.) Those were way better for the size class than we saw before or after. The deluxe combiners were a great gimmick, too. We even saw the return of Grimlock and Swoop for some albeit more cartoony action. Galvatron was primo. And need I remind anyone how amazing Tidal Wave was? 
So yes. Great toys. TERRIBLE series. I tried five times before I could get through that god-forsaken television series. Kicker, Demolishor, Snow Cat were all dreadful in the show. Yodeling. Groan.
On the down side of the toy line, Alpha-Q was embarrassingly bad. The combiners were all flawed in their terrible edward-scissorhand-fingers. (So glad the 3rd party companies chipped in to help.) The coloring of those were all wonky as well — at least until the Constructicons got reissued.
And lastly, the oddly pot-bellied Prime was lacking as a leader toy, in his bright rainbow colors and white chest. (Mind you, I did like the combination gimmick.) Glad to see we finally get a properly recolored version in red after all these years. That's all we wanted as fans. How hard is it to screw up Prime and his red chest?
Having an official red version, maybe I'll use my extra for an evil custom instead of the red repaint I intended so many years ago.
So yes. Great toys. TERRIBLE series. I tried five times before I could get through that god-forsaken television series. Kicker, Demolishor, Snow Cat were all dreadful in the show. Yodeling. Groan.
On the down side of the toy line, Alpha-Q was embarrassingly bad. The combiners were all flawed in their terrible edward-scissorhand-fingers. (So glad the 3rd party companies chipped in to help.) The coloring of those were all wonky as well — at least until the Constructicons got reissued.
And lastly, the oddly pot-bellied Prime was lacking as a leader toy, in his bright rainbow colors and white chest. (Mind you, I did like the combination gimmick.) Glad to see we finally get a properly recolored version in red after all these years. That's all we wanted as fans. How hard is it to screw up Prime and his red chest?
Having an official red version, maybe I'll use my extra for an evil custom instead of the red repaint I intended so many years ago.
Re: Unused Transformers Energon Prowl Prototype Head (1510680)
Posted by Agamemnon on August 9th, 2013 @ 12:14pm CDT
I think that Prime Wingsaber was Cybertron? I thought Energon Prime combined with Omega Supreme. Maybe there was a Wingsaber combination too, I guess I don't rmember for sure.
At any rate, I'll also throw my support for the Energon line. I didn't like everything, but there were some really great figures in there:
Downshift (which was my Classics Wheeljack until Generations) was a great homage.
Towline, a great G1 Ironhide and Ratchet homage
Arcee was fun, and I think our first official figure for the character.
I really liked Rodimus.
The combiners, while not outstanding, were a lot of fun!
Some of the Powerlinks like Grimlock and Swoop were awesome!
Starscream was a very decent update.
Insecticon, Shockblast, Slugslinger, Tidal Wave...
As mentioned previously, Galvatron/Megs, Scorponok, Ravage.
I think there were a lot of really great figures in this line. There were some stinkers too, but not by any means worthy of a broad brush of "the line sucked."
(Looking at Seib's galleries, I guess that Wing Saber did combine in Energon too. I guess I never thought about it because I never liked Energon Prime. I always thought the Cybertron Wingsaber/Prime combo was awesome!)
Posted by Agamemnon on August 9th, 2013 @ 12:14pm CDT
RhA wrote:Some GREAT toys came from that line. Terrorcons, especially Ravage, Megatron and that sweet Optimus/Wingsaber combination.
I think that Prime Wingsaber was Cybertron? I thought Energon Prime combined with Omega Supreme. Maybe there was a Wingsaber combination too, I guess I don't rmember for sure.
At any rate, I'll also throw my support for the Energon line. I didn't like everything, but there were some really great figures in there:
Downshift (which was my Classics Wheeljack until Generations) was a great homage.
Towline, a great G1 Ironhide and Ratchet homage
Arcee was fun, and I think our first official figure for the character.
I really liked Rodimus.
The combiners, while not outstanding, were a lot of fun!
Some of the Powerlinks like Grimlock and Swoop were awesome!
Starscream was a very decent update.
Insecticon, Shockblast, Slugslinger, Tidal Wave...
As mentioned previously, Galvatron/Megs, Scorponok, Ravage.
I think there were a lot of really great figures in this line. There were some stinkers too, but not by any means worthy of a broad brush of "the line sucked."
(Looking at Seib's galleries, I guess that Wing Saber did combine in Energon too. I guess I never thought about it because I never liked Energon Prime. I always thought the Cybertron Wingsaber/Prime combo was awesome!)
Re: Unused Transformers Energon Prowl Prototype Head (1510685)
Posted by Sabrblade on August 9th, 2013 @ 12:26pm CDT
Posted the Japanese version since it's the lesser of two evils with slightly better acting.
Posted by Sabrblade on August 9th, 2013 @ 12:26pm CDT
Agamemnon wrote:RhA wrote:Some GREAT toys came from that line. Terrorcons, especially Ravage, Megatron and that sweet Optimus/Wingsaber combination.
I think that Prime Wingsaber was Cybertron? I thought Energon Prime combined with Omega Supreme. Maybe there was a Wingsaber combination too, I guess I don't rmember for sure.
Posted the Japanese version since it's the lesser of two evils with slightly better acting.
Re: Unused Transformers Energon Prowl Prototype Head (1510686)
Posted by RhA on August 9th, 2013 @ 12:27pm CDT
This is what it reminds me of.
Posted by RhA on August 9th, 2013 @ 12:27pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:Yeah, the Energon toyline was universally beloved. It had some awesome toys in it.
The show was what was terrible, while the comics were pretty decent.
As for this head, it looks pretty cool and... somewhat familiar. I can't think of why, though, since I'm pretty sure I don't remember it from the instructions.
This is what it reminds me of.
Re: Unused Transformers Energon Prowl Prototype Head (1510688)
Posted by Sabrblade on August 9th, 2013 @ 12:29pm CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on August 9th, 2013 @ 12:29pm CDT
Never heard of it. 
Re: Unused Transformers Energon Prowl Prototype Head (1510696)
Posted by RhA on August 9th, 2013 @ 12:53pm CDT
Let's try this again.
Posted by RhA on August 9th, 2013 @ 12:53pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:Never heard of it.
Let's try this again.
Re: Unused Transformers Energon Prowl Prototype Head (1510698)
Posted by Valandar on August 9th, 2013 @ 12:56pm CDT
Posted by Valandar on August 9th, 2013 @ 12:56pm CDT
Energon had some awesome toys, and it set the stage for Cybertron / Galaxy Force, which had one of the highest ratio of awesome to not so awesome in any line to date.
Energon the cartoon? Let's just say I didn't like any of the shows between Beast Wars and Animated. Beast Wars had some of the most complex storytelling, and Animated had excellent balance between humor and drama. All the shows between, from Beast Machines to Cybertron, sucked.
Energon the cartoon? Let's just say I didn't like any of the shows between Beast Wars and Animated. Beast Wars had some of the most complex storytelling, and Animated had excellent balance between humor and drama. All the shows between, from Beast Machines to Cybertron, sucked.
Re: Unused Transformers Energon Prowl Prototype Head (1510702)
Posted by Sabrblade on August 9th, 2013 @ 1:06pm CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on August 9th, 2013 @ 1:06pm CDT
Monzo's posted more pics of Prowl here - http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-news-rumors/950444-unused-energon-prowl-head.html
Re: Unused Transformers Energon Prowl Prototype Head (1510711)
Posted by Megatron Wolf on August 9th, 2013 @ 1:32pm CDT
i too liked the energon line, way better than this TFP crap we have now. The show not so much but again was better than prime. But as far as news worthy goes if its new then its news, doesnt matter if its about the newest series or an old one.
As for the head i can see why they were going to go with it but then changed it. The helmet style fits with the alt mode but the one they used fits the character better. Surprised they didnt use it on a repaint, maybe a G2 homage.
Posted by Megatron Wolf on August 9th, 2013 @ 1:32pm CDT
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Superwheeljack wrote:Not really news...
Energon was a line no one liked, the show sucked 20 times worse
And that was 8 years ago....
I liked the Energon line!
i too liked the energon line, way better than this TFP crap we have now. The show not so much but again was better than prime. But as far as news worthy goes if its new then its news, doesnt matter if its about the newest series or an old one.
As for the head i can see why they were going to go with it but then changed it. The helmet style fits with the alt mode but the one they used fits the character better. Surprised they didnt use it on a repaint, maybe a G2 homage.
Re: Unused Transformers Energon Prowl Prototype Head (1510716)
Posted by Sabrblade on August 9th, 2013 @ 1:40pm CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on August 9th, 2013 @ 1:40pm CDT
How was the Energon cartoon better than any Transformers cartoon, no, better than any cartoon at all? It had no story. 51 episodes of almost nothing important happening, starring almost no memorable characters at all.Megatron Wolf wrote:The show not so much but again was better than prime.
Re: Unused Transformers Energon Prowl Prototype Head (1510717)
Posted by Mindmaster on August 9th, 2013 @ 1:47pm CDT
Posted by Mindmaster on August 9th, 2013 @ 1:47pm CDT
Well, I wouldn't say it had no story. It was just not as grand as other series, such as Beast Wars, Animated, and Prime.
Re: Unused Transformers Energon Prowl Prototype Head (1510718)
Posted by Dead Metal on August 9th, 2013 @ 1:50pm CDT
Posted by Dead Metal on August 9th, 2013 @ 1:50pm CDT
Megatron Wolf wrote:The show not so much but again was better than prime.
Re: Unused Transformers Energon Prowl Prototype Head (1510720)
Posted by Sabrblade on August 9th, 2013 @ 2:00pm CDT
The majority of if was just fighting, fighting, fighting, that mostly just led to more fighting and barely went anywhere. And none of it was really good fighting since the choreography of each fight was mostly "Person A shoots at Person B" or "Person B punches Person A". Taking two toys and just hitting them together again and again felt more exciting than the fights of that show.
The only really memorable fight was the giant Optimus Supreme vs. Unicron fight, but the episode kept cutting away from it to focus on something else whenever the fight would even hint at getting interesting.
Posted by Sabrblade on August 9th, 2013 @ 2:00pm CDT
Well, okay, maybe about... six things happened within its 51 episodes, but still.Mindmaster wrote:Well, I wouldn't say it had no story. It was just not as grand as other series, such as Beast Wars, Animated, and Prime.
The majority of if was just fighting, fighting, fighting, that mostly just led to more fighting and barely went anywhere. And none of it was really good fighting since the choreography of each fight was mostly "Person A shoots at Person B" or "Person B punches Person A". Taking two toys and just hitting them together again and again felt more exciting than the fights of that show.
The only really memorable fight was the giant Optimus Supreme vs. Unicron fight, but the episode kept cutting away from it to focus on something else whenever the fight would even hint at getting interesting.
Re: Unused Transformers Energon Prowl Prototype Head (1510724)
Posted by gothsaurus on August 9th, 2013 @ 2:11pm CDT
Posted by gothsaurus on August 9th, 2013 @ 2:11pm CDT
Clearly, this person who things Energon was better than Transformers Prime is... confused? Animation, plot, character development, voice acting, pacing are all hands-down undeniably better in Prime.
Given, everyone is entitled to their opinion. I just have to chime in to say...
"Before you hit the buzzer, is that your FINAL answer?"
Given, everyone is entitled to their opinion. I just have to chime in to say...
"Before you hit the buzzer, is that your FINAL answer?"
Re: Unused Transformers Energon Prowl Prototype Head (1510735)
Posted by RhA on August 9th, 2013 @ 3:25pm CDT
Kicker is memorable. It isn't a very good memory, but still.
Posted by RhA on August 9th, 2013 @ 3:25pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:How was the Energon cartoon better than any Transformers cartoon, no, better than any cartoon at all? It had no story. 51 episodes of almost nothing important happening, starring almost no memorable characters at all.Megatron Wolf wrote:The show not so much but again was better than prime.
Kicker is memorable. It isn't a very good memory, but still.
Re: Unused Transformers Energon Prowl Prototype Head (1510736)
Posted by gothsaurus on August 9th, 2013 @ 3:33pm CDT
Posted by gothsaurus on August 9th, 2013 @ 3:33pm CDT
Touché, RhA!
Re: Unused Transformers Energon Prowl Prototype Head (1510738)
Posted by Sabrblade on August 9th, 2013 @ 3:36pm CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on August 9th, 2013 @ 3:36pm CDT
Was mostly thinking of the Autobots and Decepticons, but yeah Kicker was memorable, which is another knock against it since the spiteful human ally was more memorable than the stars.RhA wrote:Sabrblade wrote:How was the Energon cartoon better than any Transformers cartoon, no, better than any cartoon at all? It had no story. 51 episodes of almost nothing important happening, starring almost no memorable characters at all.Megatron Wolf wrote:The show not so much but again was better than prime.
Kicker is memorable. It isn't a very good memory, but still.
Re: Unused Transformers Energon Prowl Prototype Head (1510740)
Posted by gothsaurus on August 9th, 2013 @ 3:59pm CDT
Posted by gothsaurus on August 9th, 2013 @ 3:59pm CDT
Yeah, out of all the humans... I still have to say I think G1 Spike has been the best of them all. Least annoying, least reckless child-like, least cliché (compared with nerd and anime girl, etc.) , least have-to-add-super-powers-or-robot-endoskeleton-to-up-the-awesomeness (Kicker, Sari)...
Don't get me started on the comics and all the I-am-a-small-child-mind-controlling-a-giant-robot stories.
In G1, the human characters were less important to the plot line (ala Kicker sensing Energon)... but they were so much more generally likable. They developed the characters instead of using them as a gimmick.
You liked them hanging around... and you wanted to be them. Not because they had super powers, but because they got to spend time with the Transformers.
Don't get me started on the comics and all the I-am-a-small-child-mind-controlling-a-giant-robot stories.
In G1, the human characters were less important to the plot line (ala Kicker sensing Energon)... but they were so much more generally likable. They developed the characters instead of using them as a gimmick.
You liked them hanging around... and you wanted to be them. Not because they had super powers, but because they got to spend time with the Transformers.
Re: Unused Transformers Energon Prowl Prototype Head (1510741)
Posted by Mindmaster on August 9th, 2013 @ 4:02pm CDT
I dunno about you guys, but gothsaurus has his priorities straight. Especially the "want to be them not for their abilities, but because they got to spend time with the Transformers". Right. On. The. Nail.
Posted by Mindmaster on August 9th, 2013 @ 4:02pm CDT
gothsaurus wrote:Yeah, out of all the humans... I still have to say I think G1 Spike has been the best of them all. Least annoying, least reckless child-like, least cliché (compared with nerd and anime girl, etc.) , least have-to-add-super-powers-or-robot-endoskeleton-to-up-the-awesomeness (Kicker, Sari)...
Don't get me started on the comics and all the I-am-a-small-child-mind-controlling-a-giant-robot stories.
In G1, the human characters were less important to the plot line (ala Kicker sensing Energon)... but they were so much more generally likable. They developed the characters instead of using them as a gimmick.
You liked them hanging around... and you wanted to be them. Not because they had super powers, but because they got to spend time with the Transformers.
I dunno about you guys, but gothsaurus has his priorities straight. Especially the "want to be them not for their abilities, but because they got to spend time with the Transformers". Right. On. The. Nail.
Re: Unused Transformers Energon Prowl Prototype Head (1510742)
Posted by Mindmaster on August 9th, 2013 @ 4:03pm CDT
I'm looking at you, Michael Bay!
Posted by Mindmaster on August 9th, 2013 @ 4:03pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:...which is another knock against it since the spiteful human ally was more memorable than the stars.
I'm looking at you, Michael Bay!
Re: Unused Transformers Energon Prowl Prototype Head (1510744)
Posted by Sabrblade on August 9th, 2013 @ 4:12pm CDT
And (I know people are gonna start rolling their eyes when I say this, but nyaah!) the Burns family are some of the most competent and likable humans we've had in years, with each having their own unique personality and making for some great interactions between each other and Autobots. Like, the moments between Chief Burns and Chase discussing their differing views on morality and protocol when trapped in a mine in that one episode were exceptionally well done.
Posted by Sabrblade on August 9th, 2013 @ 4:12pm CDT
I dunno, Jack Darby from Prime is pretty likable. As is Agent Fowler.Mindmaster wrote:gothsaurus wrote:Yeah, out of all the humans... I still have to say I think G1 Spike has been the best of them all. Least annoying, least reckless child-like, least cliché (compared with nerd and anime girl, etc.) , least have-to-add-super-powers-or-robot-endoskeleton-to-up-the-awesomeness (Kicker, Sari)...
Don't get me started on the comics and all the I-am-a-small-child-mind-controlling-a-giant-robot stories.
In G1, the human characters were less important to the plot line (ala Kicker sensing Energon)... but they were so much more generally likable. They developed the characters instead of using them as a gimmick.
You liked them hanging around... and you wanted to be them. Not because they had super powers, but because they got to spend time with the Transformers.
I dunno about you guys, but gothsaurus has his priorities straight. Especially the "want to be them not for their abilities, but because they got to spend time with the Transformers". Right. On. The. Nail.
And (I know people are gonna start rolling their eyes when I say this, but nyaah!) the Burns family are some of the most competent and likable humans we've had in years, with each having their own unique personality and making for some great interactions between each other and Autobots. Like, the moments between Chief Burns and Chase discussing their differing views on morality and protocol when trapped in a mine in that one episode were exceptionally well done.
Re: Unused Transformers Energon Prowl Prototype Head (1510745)
Posted by Mkall on August 9th, 2013 @ 4:15pm CDT
Posted by Mkall on August 9th, 2013 @ 4:15pm CDT
I must be in the minority because I like that head better than the eventual release.
Re: Unused Transformers Energon Prowl Prototype Head (1510746)
Posted by Mindmaster on August 9th, 2013 @ 4:15pm CDT
Okay, I'll give you pointers for those two. Probably throw Raf in there while we're at it (unless borderline computer ingenuity disqualifies him
)
Posted by Mindmaster on August 9th, 2013 @ 4:15pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:I dunno, Jack Darby from Prime is pretty likable. As is Agent Fowler.Mindmaster wrote:gothsaurus wrote:Yeah, out of all the humans... I still have to say I think G1 Spike has been the best of them all. Least annoying, least reckless child-like, least cliché (compared with nerd and anime girl, etc.) , least have-to-add-super-powers-or-robot-endoskeleton-to-up-the-awesomeness (Kicker, Sari)...
Don't get me started on the comics and all the I-am-a-small-child-mind-controlling-a-giant-robot stories.
In G1, the human characters were less important to the plot line (ala Kicker sensing Energon)... but they were so much more generally likable. They developed the characters instead of using them as a gimmick.
You liked them hanging around... and you wanted to be them. Not because they had super powers, but because they got to spend time with the Transformers.
I dunno about you guys, but gothsaurus has his priorities straight. Especially the "want to be them not for their abilities, but because they got to spend time with the Transformers". Right. On. The. Nail.
And (I know people are gonna start rolling their eyes when I say this, but nyaah!) the Burns family are some of the most competent and likable humans we've had in years, with each having their own unique personality and making for some great interactions between each other and Autobots. Like, the moments between Chief Burns and Chase discussing their differing views on morality and protocol when trapped in a mine in that one episode were exceptionally well done.
Okay, I'll give you pointers for those two. Probably throw Raf in there while we're at it (unless borderline computer ingenuity disqualifies him
)
Re: Unused Transformers Energon Prowl Prototype Head (1510748)
Posted by gothsaurus on August 9th, 2013 @ 4:18pm CDT
Posted by gothsaurus on August 9th, 2013 @ 4:18pm CDT
Yeah, I'll give you that. The human characters in Rescue Bots are more likable and charming than we've seen in the main cartoon for years. Nice call. I still need to get around to watching the rest of those...
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Re: Unused Transformers Energon Prowl Prototype Head (1510749)
Posted by gothsaurus on August 9th, 2013 @ 4:18pm CDT
Posted by gothsaurus on August 9th, 2013 @ 4:18pm CDT
That's so funny. I completely didn't even think of the movies even existing. Those are SOOOOO much centered on the human characters, you don't get hardly ANY robot character development. I found it really hard to feel anything when Autobots were getting shot execution style or torn in two.
I think the chemistry and balance has been off kilter since those first couple of seasons of G1, though the animated movie — with its own problems — did seem like a good human/robot balance. Mind you, from what I've seen of Prime, it's been pretty decent. I rolled my eyes a lot less than in Energon or Cybertron.
I think the chemistry and balance has been off kilter since those first couple of seasons of G1, though the animated movie — with its own problems — did seem like a good human/robot balance. Mind you, from what I've seen of Prime, it's been pretty decent. I rolled my eyes a lot less than in Energon or Cybertron.
Re: Unused Transformers Energon Prowl Prototype Head (1510752)
Posted by Agamemnon on August 9th, 2013 @ 4:32pm CDT
Getting the thread back on track, I actually agree with you. This head more closely matches the aesthetics of the figure than the G1 homage that ended up being used. I never cared for Prowl being a race car anyway. I would have preferred a new character.
Posted by Agamemnon on August 9th, 2013 @ 4:32pm CDT
Mkall wrote:I must be in the minority because I like that head better than the eventual release.
Getting the thread back on track, I actually agree with you. This head more closely matches the aesthetics of the figure than the G1 homage that ended up being used. I never cared for Prowl being a race car anyway. I would have preferred a new character.
Re: Unused Transformers Energon Prowl Prototype Head (1510755)
Posted by Sabrblade on August 9th, 2013 @ 4:37pm CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on August 9th, 2013 @ 4:37pm CDT
It's the perfect automobile for chasing down those who break the speed limit.Agamemnon wrote:Mkall wrote:I must be in the minority because I like that head better than the eventual release.
Getting the thread back on track, I actually agree with you. This head more closely matches the aesthetics of the figure than the G1 homage that ended up being used. I never cared for Prowl being a race car anyway. I would have preferred a new character.
Re: Unused Transformers Energon Prowl Prototype Head (1510756)
Posted by Dead Metal on August 9th, 2013 @ 4:38pm CDT
Yea,k this head kicks ass.
Posted by Dead Metal on August 9th, 2013 @ 4:38pm CDT
Agamemnon wrote:Mkall wrote:I must be in the minority because I like that head better than the eventual release.
Getting the thread back on track, I actually agree with you. This head more closely matches the aesthetics of the figure than the G1 homage that ended up being used. I never cared for Prowl being a race car anyway. I would have preferred a new character.
Yea,k this head kicks ass.
Re: Unused Transformers Energon Prowl Prototype Head (1510779)
Posted by Agamemnon on August 9th, 2013 @ 6:01pm CDT
Corvette? Okay. Mustang? Sure. Nissan Z? Absolutely! Formula 1/Indy car? Here, let me go over this speed bump and I can get away.
Now, as someone else suggested, Blurr might make sense...
Posted by Agamemnon on August 9th, 2013 @ 6:01pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:It's the perfect automobile for chasing down those who break the speed limit.Agamemnon wrote:Mkall wrote:I must be in the minority because I like that head better than the eventual release.
Getting the thread back on track, I actually agree with you. This head more closely matches the aesthetics of the figure than the G1 homage that ended up being used. I never cared for Prowl being a race car anyway. I would have preferred a new character.
Corvette? Okay. Mustang? Sure. Nissan Z? Absolutely! Formula 1/Indy car? Here, let me go over this speed bump and I can get away.
Now, as someone else suggested, Blurr might make sense...
Re: Unused Transformers Energon Prowl Prototype Head (1510784)
Posted by Sabrblade on August 9th, 2013 @ 6:27pm CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on August 9th, 2013 @ 6:27pm CDT
I love the following TFWiki caption:Agamemnon wrote:Sabrblade wrote:It's the perfect automobile for chasing down those who break the speed limit.Agamemnon wrote:Mkall wrote:I must be in the minority because I like that head better than the eventual release.
Getting the thread back on track, I actually agree with you. This head more closely matches the aesthetics of the figure than the G1 homage that ended up being used. I never cared for Prowl being a race car anyway. I would have preferred a new character.
Corvette? Okay. Mustang? Sure. Nissan Z? Absolutely! Formula 1/Indy car? Here, let me go over this speed bump and I can get away.
Now, as someone else suggested, Blurr might make sense...
Do you have any idea how fast you were going?
Re: Unused Transformers Energon Prowl Prototype Head (1510816)
Posted by Bowspearer on August 9th, 2013 @ 9:42pm CDT
Posted by Bowspearer on August 9th, 2013 @ 9:42pm CDT
That's definitely an interesting design. I can see why they dropped it for Prowl, but I could definitely have seen it being used for a Jazz retool of the same mould though.
Re: Unused Transformers Energon Prowl Prototype Head (1510851)
Posted by RAcast on August 9th, 2013 @ 11:34pm CDT
Posted by RAcast on August 9th, 2013 @ 11:34pm CDT
Aww, I always really liked Armada Blurr's head, and it definitely looks awesome on this mold. I'd definintely be inclined to display that mold on it's own (rather than being Roadblock Grapple's pants) if it were [Armada] Blurr.
Re: Unused Transformers Energon Prowl Prototype Head (1511009)
Posted by Heckfire on August 11th, 2013 @ 2:17am CDT
Posted by Heckfire on August 11th, 2013 @ 2:17am CDT
Like all of the TF toylines, Energon had its ups and down. I'm one of the Towline fanclub, and Prowl is actually one of my favorites from the line (not that I actually used it AS Prowl...I made them Velocitronian law enforcement "drones" akin to the TFP Vehicons, actually), plus my son has a major thing for combiners anyway.
Side note, since someone mentioned the Rodimus redeco Checkpoint, anyone else think he looks like what would happen if G1 Prowl got ahold of the Matrix..?
Still, I really wish they'd gone with these heads.
Side note, since someone mentioned the Rodimus redeco Checkpoint, anyone else think he looks like what would happen if G1 Prowl got ahold of the Matrix..?
Still, I really wish they'd gone with these heads.
