Travis Knight Confirms Bumblebee Movie is in Bayverse Continuity in New Featurette about G1 Designs
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These were the exact words:
We set the film 20 years prior to the events of the first film, but so-we still needed some degree of continuity there.
So there you have it folks, the Bumblebee movie may be a step in the right direction, or a breath of fresh air, but it is not a full on reboot, and it is still embedded within the universe Michael Bay helped bring to life (Michael Bay is still a producer on this film after all).
Of course, that is not all Travis Knight had to say in the featurette below from IGN. He talks a lot about his choice behind the design changes we see in the movie and the heavy emphasis on G1. There is a really fun tidbit about Soundwave's chest window too, enjoy!
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Posted by Sentinel_Primal on December 20th, 2018 @ 9:03pm CST
Posted by Deadput on December 20th, 2018 @ 9:05pm CST
I don't think there is any doubt this film went into production as a prequel or anything and no doubt the film makers still have a lot of the thought process of this being a prequel.
But if they decided to keep this as a prequel after the box office results are in then this will be franchise suicide.
The Bay continuity cannot be salvaged anymore, Bumblebee is a great film on it's own but it is a horrible prequel that breaks a lot more continuity for the first film alone then it does tie to it.
For the good of the brand this cannot be allowed to be a prequel, at least Hasbro should know this, with all the excitement about people thinking Bee is a reboot Paramount should realize it would be very profitable to go clean slate and start anew.
You lose all tension when you have characters like Jazz or Shockwave in the next film when you know they cannot die in that film due to their role in Bay's films but you also prevent a deeper emotional connection to these characters because they get killed in Bay's films.
Posted by Lore Keeper on December 20th, 2018 @ 9:19pm CST
Posted by Octobotimus on December 20th, 2018 @ 9:25pm CST
Posted by SW's SilverHammer on December 20th, 2018 @ 9:26pm CST
Posted by Fires_Of_Inferno on December 20th, 2018 @ 9:28pm CST
uuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrgghh.
The movies themselves barely had any continuity with each other to begin with!
Posted by william-james88 on December 20th, 2018 @ 9:30pm CST
The Score by Dario Marinelli includes the following tracks:
1. Cybertron Falls (1:53)
2. Bee on the Run (2:18)
3. Shutdown (3:45)
4. Charlie (3:07)
5. Meeting Bumblebee (4:07)
6. Dropkick & Shatter Arrive (1:38)
7. Chasing Mum (1:56)
8. Optimus Prime’s Message (2:05)
9. Desert Council (2:08)
10. Dad’s Old Videotapes (1:09)
11. Army Meeting (2:37)
12. A Diving Volunteer (1:32)
13. Pranking Tina (2:13)
14. Bee in the Kitchen (2:33)
15. Kitchen Chaos (1:45)
16. Double Ambush (2:21)
17. Charlie Sneaks Out (0:59)
18. Death and Resurrection (2:27)
19. Bee’s Had Enough (5:15)
20. Ron’s Driving (1:42)
21. Marina Tower (2:55)
22. Charlie Dives In (2:38)
23. Saying Goodbye (2:26)
24. Not Quite There (1:48)
The Soundtrack features the following songs:
1. Back to Life – Hailee Steinfeld (3:53)
2. Bigmouth Strikes Again – The Smiths (3:15)
3. Things Can Only Get Better – Howard Jones (3:56)
4. Runaway – Bon Jovi (3:52)
5. Save a Prayer – Duran Duran (3:46)
6. Higher Love – Steve Winwood (5:49)
7. Take On Me – a-ha (3:48)
8. Everybody Wants To Rule the World – Tears for Fears (4:12)
9. It Takes Two – Rob Base & DJ EZ Rock (5:01)
10. The Touch – Stan Bush (3:56)
11. I Can’t Wait – Nu Shooz (3:38)
12. I Can’t Drive 55 – Sammy Hagar (4:12)
13. Dance Hall Days – Wang Chung (4:00)
14. Girlfriend In a Coma – The Smiths (2:04)
15. Don’t You (Forget About Me) – Simple Minds (4:22)
16. Back to Life (80s Remix) [Bonus] – Hailee Steinfeld (3:13)
Posted by william-james88 on December 20th, 2018 @ 9:38pm CST
SW's SilverHammer wrote:XMen First Class was "prequel" in continuity with the other Xmen Movies. Then it was made part of a reboot sooooooo I'll wait and see how true this is in a year or two.
How the hell was first class turned into a reboot? The sequel was all about paralels with cast members from later years.
Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:,I didn't even know bay was still attached to the film.
We've known this since July...2017
Posted by Fires_Of_Inferno on December 20th, 2018 @ 9:44pm CST
william-james88 wrote:SW's SilverHammer wrote:XMen First Class was "prequel" in continuity with the other Xmen Movies. Then it was made part of a reboot sooooooo I'll wait and see how true this is in a year or two.
How the hell was first class turned into a reboot? The sequel was all about paralels with cast members from later years.Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:,I didn't even know bay was still attached to the film.
We've known this since July...2017
Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:,I didn't even know bay was still attached to the film.
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on December 20th, 2018 @ 10:20pm CST
Posted by Lore Keeper on December 20th, 2018 @ 10:30pm CST
Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:This... has completely turned me off to seeing it. I was seriously hopeful,I didn't even know bay was still attached to the film. We don't need any damn continuity with the previous movies, what the hell is he thinking.
uuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrgghh.
The movies themselves barely had any continuity with each other to begin with!
Don't let this little hiccup stop you from seeing the movie. It really is very good, prequel or not.
Posted by 1984forever on December 20th, 2018 @ 10:42pm CST
Bumblebee is a good movie though.
Posted by Starscream on December 20th, 2018 @ 10:58pm CST
Posted by Sabrblade on December 20th, 2018 @ 11:13pm CST
As for this whole prequel vs. reboot issue, y'all are killing me here. The movie being an in-continuity prequel was likely a mandate from on high, pre-established long before Travis Knight was even brought aboard. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that it was even one of the very first things about this movie that were conceived from the get-go. I sincerely doubt that the genesis idea for this movie was "Let's make a spinoff movie about Bumblebee set in the 1980s that has absolutely nothing to do with the other movies" rather than the much more likely idea of "Let's make a spinoff movie about Bumblebee set in the past as a prequel to the other movies."
Now, whether or not the movie actually succeeds or fails at being a continuity-adhering prequel to the other films isn't something I can discuss one way or the other, since I still haven't seen the movie yet. But all I am trying to say is that we shouldn't go pointing fingers at Travis Knight when this movie being a prequel likely wasn't his decision in the first place and was instead likely decided for him beforehand.
Posted by Ratman_tf on December 20th, 2018 @ 11:40pm CST
Lot of leeway in that statement.
It would be smart of them to not make any declarative statements anyway. Who knows what the next writer/director will decide...
Posted by Deadput on December 20th, 2018 @ 11:41pm CST
Sabrblade wrote:Got my ticket to finally see the movie first thing in the morning.
As for this whole prequel vs. reboot issue, y'all are killing me here. The movie being an in-continuity prequel was likely a mandate from on high, pre-established long before Travis Knight was even brought aboard. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that it was even one of the very first things about this movie that were conceived from the get-go. I sincerely doubt that the genesis idea for this movie was "Let's make a spinoff movie about Bumblebee set in the 1980s that has absolutely nothing to do with the other movies" rather than the much more likely idea of "Let's make a spinoff movie about Bumblebee set in the past as a prequel to the other movies."
Now, whether or not the movie actually succeeds or fails at being a continuity-adhering prequel to the other films isn't something I can discuss one way or the other, since I still haven't seen the movie yet. But all I am trying to say is that we shouldn't go pointing fingers at Travis Knight when this movie being a prequel likely wasn't his decision in the first place and was instead likely decided for him beforehand.
This is true, we wouldn't be having these arguments if the film didn't go into production as a prequel, that is indeed a fact.
However whether it is still a prequel despite the couple of giant continuity errors for the first film alone kinda put a lot of doubts in people's minds.
The biggest mistake Paramount/Hasbro could make at this point is making this a prequel to the Bay films after the overwhelming excitement over the potential that this film is a reboot of some kind, that would be the start of franchise suicide since people are burnt out from Bay's style of films and I doubt anyone but a few of the most heavily dedicated Bay film fans want to try to salvage that mess of a continuity anymore.
Posted by Sabrblade on December 20th, 2018 @ 11:46pm CST
Posted by Deadput on December 20th, 2018 @ 11:56pm CST
Sabrblade wrote:Thing is, if they had really wanted to make this film a complete reboot, there really wouldn't have been any reason for them to have stuck with Bumblebee's pacifier face over a more normal looking face, since it wouldn't have been the same character as the Bumblebee from the other movies.
You can't just completely turn it to a full reboot midproduction by using a film that was fully well being made as a prequel, it would take a lot more money and time then they had that's unrealistic.
This film had a smaller budget it wouldn't be wise to hit full reboot mode just yet in case the movie failed due to the awful reception for TLK which damaged the franchise as a whole, which would mean that if they wanted to do another Transformers film they would have to do a full reboot all over again.
This way they can use the Bee film as a small transition movie to the next one to fulfill the full reboot it can be.
Bee's movie design is the more iconic one overall which is fueled by the last few Transformers shows with Bumblebee becoming a muscle car and Prime adopting the similar face style.
There are BIG continuity errors even if you only connect this film to the 2007 film and not just the ending.
Posted by Sabrblade on December 21st, 2018 @ 12:00am CST
I was speaking in the hypothetical context of if they had wanted to make this movie a reboot from the beginning of its conception, as though to say "It's not a reboot".Deadput wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Thing is, if they had really wanted to make this film a complete reboot, there really wouldn't have been any reason for them to have stuck with Bumblebee's pacifier face over a more normal looking face, since it wouldn't have been the same character as the Bumblebee from the other movies.
You can't just completely turn it to a full reboot midproduction by using a film that was fully well being made as a prequel, it would take a lot more money and time then they had that's unrealistic.
Posted by Deadput on December 21st, 2018 @ 12:09am CST
Sabrblade wrote:I was speaking in the hypothetical context of if they had wanted to make this movie a reboot from the beginning of its conception, as though to say "It's not a reboot".
Oh I misunderstood what you were saying I'm sorry.
That is true, this film was being conceptualized around the same time as TLK, I'm pretty sure this film also came out of the writing circle that was put together for TLK (And judging comments they made a certain producer screwed all of that up by smushing different scripts together)
Like for sure this film would have not of been anything like a reboot if TLK didn't go as wrong as it did, when that happened it's obvious things like the G1 designs and the removal and addition of things that disconnects from the Bay films enough were made as an emergency.
Clearly their waiting for the film to officially come out and wait a few months before further deciding what they want to do.
It is probably one of the messiest attempts at a backup/reboot plan conceived but if they play their cards right and they actually don't screw it up by attempting to try to "milk" the empty Bay-style fuel tank again. (You know which individual involved in the film's production I mean)
Posted by Fires_Of_Inferno on December 21st, 2018 @ 12:59am CST
it just doesn't make any sense to me.
Posted by SW's SilverHammer on December 21st, 2018 @ 1:39am CST
william-james88 wrote:SW's SilverHammer wrote:XMen First Class was "prequel" in continuity with the other Xmen Movies. Then it was made part of a reboot sooooooo I'll wait and see how true this is in a year or two.
How the hell was first class turned into a reboot? The sequel was all about paralels with cast members from later years.
Not to argue to much about Xmen, but the thing about first class was it had enough continuity stay connected to the previous movies, while giving it enough room to not be entirely bound to said continuity. I dont believe first class was made with intention to be 100% a soft reboot, only that if it was successful the studio could move into a different direction without being entirely hamstrung by the abysmal performance of xmen 3 and the weight of the other movies. Thats part of why days for future past both ignores the third xmen movie and officially reboots the xmen movies with time travel shinnangins to continue with the prequels cast and direction.
I wouldn't be surprised if the bumblebee movie will be similar. Intended to be a prequel. but gives itself enough wiggle room that it can change the course of a stumbling franchise. If the movie performs well and is well received, it wouldn't be a shock if future transformers movies begin to veer away from the previous baggage of the 07 movie. Bumblebee definitely sets a new direction with a similar but different enough asthetic that it would be to much whiplash if they do reboot using bumblebee as the base.
Posted by Salacious_Monk on December 21st, 2018 @ 1:45am CST
SW's SilverHammer wrote:william-james88 wrote:SW's SilverHammer wrote:XMen First Class was "prequel" in continuity with the other Xmen Movies. Then it was made part of a reboot sooooooo I'll wait and see how true this is in a year or two.
How the hell was first class turned into a reboot? The sequel was all about paralels with cast members from later years.
Not to argue to much about Xmen, but the thing about first class was it had enough continuity stay connected to the previous movies, while giving it enough room to not be entirely bound to said continuity. I dont believe first class was made with intention to be 100% a soft reboot, only that if it was successful the studio could move into a different direction without being entirely hamstrung by the abysmal performance of xmen 3 and the weight of the other movies. Thats part of why days for future past both ignores the third xmen movie and officially reboots the xmen movies with time travel shinnangins to continue with the prequels cast and direction.
I wouldn't be surprised if the bumblebee movie will be similar. Intended to be a prequel. but gives itself enough wiggle room that it can change the course of a stumbling franchise. If the movie performs well and is well received, it wouldn't be a shock if future transformers movies begin to veer away from the previous baggage of the 07 movie. Bumblebee definitely sets a new direction with a similar but different enough asthetic that it would be to much whiplash if they do reboot using bumblebee as the base.
But unfortunately the opening weekend is said to be a disappointment. 22 million...
https://www.express.co.uk/entertainment ... ansformers
Posted by Deadput on December 21st, 2018 @ 2:06am CST
SW's SilverHammer wrote:Not to argue to much about Xmen, but the thing about first class was it had enough continuity stay connected to the previous movies, while giving it enough room to not be entirely bound to said continuity. I dont believe first class was made with intention to be 100% a soft reboot, only that if it was successful the studio could move into a different direction without being entirely hamstrung by the abysmal performance of xmen 3 and the weight of the other movies. Thats part of why days for future past both ignores the third xmen movie and officially reboots the xmen movies with time travel shinnangins to continue with the prequels cast and direction.
I wouldn't be surprised if the bumblebee movie will be similar. Intended to be a prequel. but gives itself enough wiggle room that it can change the course of a stumbling franchise. If the movie performs well and is well received, it wouldn't be a shock if future transformers movies begin to veer away from the previous baggage of the 07 movie. Bumblebee definitely sets a new direction with a similar but different enough asthetic that it would be to much whiplash if they do reboot using bumblebee as the base.
This is what I was thinking, while it no doubts has quite a bit in common to the previous films with similar plot elements and art design aesthetic for the robots it also breaks away from the mold enough that the next film could go in a totally new direction.
The only big things that tie in to the Bay films is.
1: Bumblebee's movie/G1 hybrid inspired design as well as the more Bay-type elements in Shatter, Dropkick and to a lesser extent Blitzwing's designs but that's just an aesthetic, a reboot is probably going to have that sort of look going forward with a little more lean to G1 inspired elements, like despite being very blocky and G1 Optimus still has movie type eyes and has the wirey look in the places that aren't covered by kibble.
2: An organization called Sector 7 but this can always be retooled for a reboot as the orginization that deals with Transformers just like how in Transformers Animated, Prime and Cyberverse there is an Allspark which originated in the 2007 film yet has been reused countless times.
Bee spoiler regarding this point. The fact that Shatter and Dropkick do not detect or mention anything about the Allspark or Megatron while inside Hoover Dam kinda supports an earlier line where Dr. Powell says this is their first contact with an Alien species, at the very least it's a pretty big continuity and directing error if this is a prequel to even only the 2007 film
3: In relation to number 2 (Very minor spoiler that I'm sure most in the general audience missed) The small cameo appearance of a younger Simmons, just like above this can always be retooled to a new version of the character just like how there are different Witwicky's in other parts of the franchise heck for all we know this version of Simmons might never show up again, in an interview from a few days ago Travis said his cameo was a late decision and it wasn't even in the script, although I will say they found a great guy for him he looks just like a younger version of the character.
4: Spoiler for end of film Bee taking on the old Camaro at the end, this is honestly the biggest link that continues to tie it with the Bay films yet it's part of the scene that has one of the biggest continuity errors of the film with Prime appearing on Earth before 2007, again they could always just continue with this car and design in a reboot it doesn't prevent a reboot especially with the fact that we see the robot mode which doesn't look like the 2007 design but instead as this movie's Bee but slightly taller and with the Camaro car parts.
So TLDR: it has it's ties and connections but none of those prevents Hasbro/Paramount from making this film a reboot.
Posted by Carnivius_Prime on December 21st, 2018 @ 2:11am CST
Posted by Deadput on December 21st, 2018 @ 2:21am CST
Carnivius_Prime wrote:If you liked this one, ok fine that's your thing but I still don't get how it's supposed to please folk by creating a continuity breaking mix-match of two very different takes on the franchise. But yeah whatever... I'm done for now.
Who in the targeted audience would even have a thought like this come across their mind though?
Only the hard core Transformers fans like you and I.
In my second viewing of this movie (Which was in Calgary which is a big city in Canada with a lot of people and was a full theater, so much so that I had to sit in the front row to see the film again and I got there half an hour before the film started) there was a Paramount representative there who was there to accept feedback after the movie ended, so afterwards I hanged around but didn't talk to the guy just yet because I was trying to be respectful and not take up a line so I let everyone else go first and you want to know what I mostly heard besides how awesome the film and Cybertron scenes were?
Something around the lines of "Thank god it's no longer like the Micheal Bay Transformers films" With some giving an additional "Just like my childhood" type comments.
This film was made to cater to those who have nostalgia for the 80's and G1 as well as those who are sick of Bay's vision, it's not made for the hardcore Bay fans who grew up with those films.
Regardless of what one think of Rotton Tomatoes, you see that current score? That alone is indicative that this film worked with a lot more people then the Bay films did and that the type of direction this film went with is what is going to be used going forward.
It's been 10 years, there is nothing new that a Bay type film can give, it's time for a new vision.
Posted by ZeroWolf on December 21st, 2018 @ 3:08am CST
Though let's be honest, this film wouldn't be the first to be a prequel but have conflicting elements with the film supposed to follow it (I'm looking at you Prometheus and Alien: Convent) there is ways around those comments you made Deadput, so as I say it's all down to the films performance (I.e. How much money it makes)
Posted by Deadput on December 21st, 2018 @ 3:21am CST
ZeroWolf wrote:I've always said that depending on how the movie performs will depend on how Paramount sees it...Personally I think they should just do a full on reboot for the next film, completely clear the state, that means new designs. Also it will probably have better synergy with the gi Joe and micronaughts movies they are planning.
Though let's be honest, this film wouldn't be the first to be a prequel but have conflicting elements with the film supposed to follow it (I'm looking at you Prometheus and Alien: Convent) there is ways around those comments you made Deadput, so as I say it's all down to the films performance (I.e. How much money it makes)
Yeah it is up to the companies of what direction to go forward with and indeed how much the money makes is a big part, I don't know what to expect since I'm trying not to get my hopes too high but there is plenty of factors for why it could perform good or bad, I personally don't think it will be the highest grossing of the movies but I think it will be decently successful especially with good mouth of word since I've seen more positive reviews for Bumblebee then I have for it's arguable biggest competition Aquaman. (Not googling up how good Spider man is or is going to do since I want to watch that film without knowing spoilers)
They could always give a good reason to redesign Bumblebee in the next film especially since (Bee spoiler) He's the only character who lives in that film that has the heavier side of the Bay-style since Shatter and Dropkick are killed by the end.
For example they could have the big bad or some other Decepticon from the next film absolutely trash Bumblebee like ripping his face off and tearing off limbs and that villain purposely leaves him alive in such a wrecked mess besides his vitals he has to be rebuilt into a new design that more so resembles his G1 design in a way sort of like the Goldbug situation, when deciding a new alt mode he simply decided to go back to the Beetle because of nostalgia for Charlie. (Film could have a bit of a time skip like in the 90's or something)
Posted by ZeroWolf on December 21st, 2018 @ 4:46am CST
Honestly I could see them doing the new g.i Joe film and then have an after credit sequence where it turns out that Cobra Commander had a secret deal with Megatron ala G2
Posted by Deadput on December 21st, 2018 @ 4:52am CST
ZeroWolf wrote:Spiderman is good that's all I'll say about that.
Honestly I could see them doing the new g.i Joe film and then have an after credit sequence where it turns out that Cobra Commander had a secret deal with Megatron ala G2
Could be an interesting way to reveal him especially if up to that point there isn't any obvious indication that the film is connected to the Transformers films (Whether Reboot universe or Bayverse although it probably wouldn't work that well with the latter)
Don't know if it would be "good" or if people would receive it well but it would be interesting.
Probably best keep Megatron's appearance mostly hidden (like in shadow or something where you only see an outline of his silhouette and his crimson eyes)
Posted by ZeroWolf on December 21st, 2018 @ 5:07am CST
In any case, there's already talks of an Optimus Prime origin movie, so what we could see there is a definitive reboot carrying on the same themes as Bumblebee but fully advertised as its own thing.
Posted by Deadput on December 21st, 2018 @ 5:34am CST
ZeroWolf wrote:Well I would think that would be the case as in the next film, you show that Cobra have helped Megatron repair himself
In any case, there's already talks of an Optimus Prime origin movie, so what we could see there is a definitive reboot carrying on the same themes as Bumblebee but fully advertised as its own thing.
I really hope it's a reboot, I've been getting pretty heated in my comments, just worried at the prospect that Hasbro and Paramount ignore the fact that they could be sitting on a gold mine of a fresh series that could combine the best aspects of G1 and the Bayverse to attempt to go back to the Bay-style films because they used to make a lot of money.
That one producer's (I'm not saying names) comments is what mostly worries me especially with the knowledge that he went as far as to basically sabotage Peter Cullen's audition as Optimus Prime back during the 2007 film's production all because the guy didn't want anything from the old cartoon in the movie. (He basically also made sure that he could only voice Prime and not Ironhide as well), from what I can tell a bunch of that guy's actions lead to a bunch of the previous film's problems. (Like deciding to combine a bunch of scripts and ideas from the writers room stuff into TLK)
You can still make a lot of money by making actual good movies to, more people want a reboot there is a bunch of profit right there!
Posted by Kyleor on December 21st, 2018 @ 8:22am CST
Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:This... has completely turned me off to seeing it. I was seriously hopeful,I didn't even know bay was still attached to the film. We don't need any damn continuity with the previous movies, what the hell is he thinking.
uuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrgghh.
The movies themselves barely had any continuity with each other to begin with!
You should go see it. It's very good-there is little to no of the usual Baysplosion-nonsense, instead of story, to lower the quality of the movie. You honestly can't tell that Bay had any influence/part in making it, which is a major plus for it. The story makes sense from beginning to end. Without getting into any spoilers, the timeline of Bumblebee does't line up with the previous Bayverse version of Transformers/Earth history.
It feels like a reboot, no matter what people are being told to say.
Posted by william-james88 on December 21st, 2018 @ 8:28am CST
Here are the actual quotes from io9:
“I had this whole thing boarded where we’re where we see [Decepticon leader] Megatron and he comes in like Sauron, just blowing shit up and laying waste to everything,” Knight said. However, he then realized in this world, Megatron is currently frozen on Earth, as seen in 2007's Transformers, so that was out.
“So even though I really wanted to see G1 Megatron on the battlefield at the fall Cybertron, I couldn’t do it,” he said. “But I wanted to fit as much of this G1 stuff I loved in there, and so I put my favorite characters in. Obviously there are ones I wish I could put in there, and I would love to see an entire movie about the fall of Cybertron because I think it’s awesome, but just to be able to visit it for a moment, to see the Cybertron of my imaginations on the big screen, it was a real thrill.”
Posted by william-james88 on December 21st, 2018 @ 8:35am CST
Kyleor wrote:It feels like a reboot, no matter what people are being told to say.
Its not about what people are being told to say, I just newsed a story saying that Travis Knight was told to make a prequel and thus could not include specific scenes and characters he wanted since it wouldnt fit continuity.
Posted by ScottyP on December 21st, 2018 @ 9:08am CST
Posted by Sabrblade on December 21st, 2018 @ 9:12am CST
Well, considering that this film takes place in 1987 and Megatron doesn't awaken until 2007, I kinda figured that his absence from the film would have been a given (and I still haven't seen it yet but will in about 30 minutes or so from now, as of this typing).ScottyP wrote:I had done so well avoiding spoilers and then we front page one the day the movie comes out :'(
Posted by ScottyP on December 21st, 2018 @ 9:15am CST
Movie continuity is so loose I assumed there could be some allowance for him being there and getting deactivated again. I was genuinely curious!Sabrblade wrote:Well, considering that this film takes place in 1987 and Megatron doesn't awaken until 2007, I kinda figured that his absence from the film would have been a given (and I still haven't seen it yet but will in about 30 minutes or so from now, as of this typing).ScottyP wrote:I had done so well avoiding spoilers and then we front page one the day the movie comes out :'(
Posted by Immortal Starscream on December 21st, 2018 @ 9:32am CST
Posted by WiseMan on December 21st, 2018 @ 10:59am CST
On one hand, Travis Knight says there is a continuity and he had to follow certain plot points. Michael Bay said all of his films were sequels. Fantastic. On the other hand, take a look at the actual continuity of the Bayverse films. Megatron's dead at the end of the 3rd movie, very specifically dead in the 4th and comes back as Galvatron, and is then inexplicably back as Megatron for the 5th.
Now, while that's just one example of the many, many continuity plotholes the Bayverse has I bring it up for a specific reason: They stopped Megatron's inclusion in a prequel due to "continuity" while previously allowing Megatron to appear in a sequel despite "continuity".
What they say doesn't match what they do.
If you prefer Bumblebee to be a standalone movie, that's your choice. If you want it to be a prequel, go for it. If you want it to be the start of a reboot, that's fine.
Fortunately for Transformers fans we have the Unicron Singularity for just such situations.
Posted by o.supreme on December 21st, 2018 @ 11:17am CST
Posted by PerfectVision on December 21st, 2018 @ 11:34am CST
Hmm...My first message has dissapeared
Posted by Windsweeper on December 21st, 2018 @ 12:10pm CST
In the 07 movie, Optimus Prime specifically says they're on Earth looking for the Allspark. There's no mention of that in Bumblebee where Prime specifically sends him to Earth to set up a base for the other Autobots.
In the Last Knight, Bumblebee and Hot Rod are seen fighting Nazis during World War 2 but Bumblebee doesn't arrive on Earth until the 80s in the Bumblebee movie.
Posted by 1984forever on December 21st, 2018 @ 12:42pm CST
Posted by ZeroWolf on December 21st, 2018 @ 1:24pm CST
Windsweeper wrote:There are several reasons why Bumblebee doesn't tie in with the Baymovies.
In the 07 movie, Optimus Prime specifically says they're on Earth looking for the Allspark. There's no mention of that in Bumblebee where Prime specifically sends him to Earth to set up a base for the other Autobots.
In the Last Knight, Bumblebee and Hot Rod are seen fighting Nazis during World War 2 but Bumblebee doesn't arrive on Earth until the 80s in the Bumblebee movie.
To be fair, there's inconsistencies like that in the bay movies and they are sequels to each other.
Posted by Sabrblade on December 21st, 2018 @ 1:37pm CST
As for the continuity issues, it's really primarily just TLK with its "familiar Autobot characters on Earth during historical era events" that this movie conflicts with, more than anything else, which almost gets me wondering if maybe it was decided by Paramount to kinda quietly sweep TLK under the rug and sorta pretend like that movie didn't happen (after how unsuccessful it was as a film).
Posted by ZeroWolf on December 21st, 2018 @ 3:00pm CST
Posted by dragons on December 21st, 2018 @ 3:39pm CST
ScottyP wrote:I had done so well avoiding spoilers and then we front page one the day the movie comes out :'(
I knew this two days ago
Posted by zko on December 21st, 2018 @ 5:21pm CST
It was much more toned down on the action scenes for most of it, meaning less going on since less combatants total between Autobots, Decepticons, and Army.
I had fun seeing most of the old 80s stuff at the beginning and the G1/Bayverse design mix actually worked pretty well for me even in the parts that looked like a videogame at the Cybertron opening scene.
The part with Optimus totally surrounded and Jon 3.0's Soundwave stuff was pretty cool to see too.
Probably had the most fun out of all the movies so far at this one, was toned down pretty well on the gritty/adult stuff most people complain about with only a few curse words here and there especially compared to TLK and DOTM.
Overall it was more of an adventure movie and less an action flick feel.
Steinfeld came through as a great human lead that worked better than I thought she would as well.
The plot points played out like many things taken from Season 1 of TF: Prime, but with Jack as a girl Charlie Watson and Bee instead of Arcee, the ending especially felt like that episode where June Darby finally finds out about the Transformers, where Airachnid has her kidnapped, especially the scenes where she is atop the crane and Jack has to climb up there were much like that part where Charlie was climbing to stop the transmission to the Decepticons, and Shatter came off like Airachnid in a way... Also her having a job at the Circus was like the KO Burger job Jack has in Season 1, and the bullying he puts up with were like the bullying from the popular girls.
All said and done, it really worked for me, loved it and still hope live action TF will survive into future films being produced.
Posted by ZeroWolf on December 21st, 2018 @ 6:15pm CST
Now why it looks like the promotion has ended, Australian site Ausdroid has gotten their hands on some and are giving them away to Australian fans who couldn't make it to one of the installations. To enter, go to the Ausdroid website and enter using the form at the bottom of the page, Australian residents only mind.
All non Australians will have to make do with the Spotify list and the ability to make your own 80s Bumblebee soundtrack from preset selections over on Bumblebee Rewind dedicated website.
This site allows you to make your own playlists, share them with friends and play them through Spotify itself.
Will you be listening to this list and be getting into the eighties mood? Let us know in the Energon Pub and stay tuned to Seibertron for all the latest news and reviews.