Transformers Titans Return Sixshot on Amazon for $35

william-james88 wrote:

bodrock wrote:I'm so glad our figures are made better today....GPS is scary.

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Your memes always crack me up Bodrock, so glad to have you with us

Thanks Will!

Wow, $35 for Sixshot is an excellent price.
I think bargain-hunting shall be upon us soon with Xmas less than a couple months away....!

I'm thinking it's the only way I may find Overlord at this rate.....hoping to get Trypticon for cheap too.

Skritz wrote:Sixshot is pretty hit and miss but I'd say he's worth it while on any kind of sale if you are remotely interested in the character or his concept. His articulation is a bit lacking but that's in part because he is a rather slavish update of the G1 figure to the point of crippling it a little bit. His lack of waist and wrist swivel as well as melee weapon is a real bummer for a guy associated with ninja stuff. He may yet be one of the least flexible ninjas to ever exist. That said, he has a plus in that you can transform him to all mode without ever touching his head titanmaster gimmick.

Are there better Sixshot out there? Yes, but they are all third party. At the very least one could enjoy all his fanmode potential.

I really only got him because I need places to put Titan Masters.

I got Sixshot by pure impulse -- I had to know how he compared to the original and was hoping for max poseability! It ain't bad.

I really liked Alpha Trion and Lione -- I see a fair amount of surplus for the former, but I hope others enjoyed him too.

bodrock wrote:I got Sixshot by pure impulse -- I had to know how he compared to the original and was hoping for max poseability! It ain't bad.

I really liked Alpha Trion and Lione -- I see a fair amount of surplus for the former, but I hope others enjoyed him too.

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Your ability to make toys that I don't think look good, look good, never ceases to amaze me. Guess I'm gonna have to bust out Alpha Trion again when I get home


Having never experienced G1 Sixshot I have to admit I was a little let-down by how incredibly abstract most of his modes were (I mean what car, sci-fi or otherwise, has 1/3 of its mass in front of its front wheels). On the other hand, his relative super-chunkiness, slightly-limited articulation and semi-realistic-at-best alt-modes gave me shades of the UT toys, so I guess he managed to somehow squeeze a bit of nostalgia out of me as well.

I wouldn't say he's the best Leader of TR (though admittedly I haven't been incredibly wowed by any of TR's Leaders either, good as they all are), but in my opinion he's pretty much worth the price of admission even without a significant price-drop. I bought mine at the standard slight-TRU-markup since that was the only B&M I could find him at, and I'm still pretty satisfied, so make of that what you will.

I'm not gonna lie that my enjoyment of Alpha Trion come solely out of the fact of 1) having an AT figure to begin with and 2) his Beast mode and design reminding me of a Transmetal, down to the derpy half-formed 'vehicle' mode.

Skritz wrote:I'm not gonna lie that my enjoyment of Alpha Trion come solely out of the fact of 1) having an AT figure to begin with and 2) his Beast mode and design reminding me of a Transmetal, down to the derpy half-formed 'vehicle' mode.

A Space Age Carrier is still more of a vehicle than most Transmetals have ever been

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Skritz wrote:I'm not gonna lie that my enjoyment of Alpha Trion come solely out of the fact of 1) having an AT figure to begin with and 2) his Beast mode and design reminding me of a Transmetal, down to the derpy half-formed 'vehicle' mode.

A Space Age Carrier is still more of a vehicle than most Transmetals have ever been

Yes, but just because it looks more visually complete doesn't mean it looks good.

Thanks Qwan! I try to give any bot I've spent money on some love -- especially if one of their modes fit some theme in my head.

But yeah, as much fun as AT can be, I've never bothered with his craft-type thang. I like him as a barbarian sage and liocorn, though!

To me, his lion-mode and large armored look remind me of a wizened yet-still-badass king, like some sort of aged King Arthur. While he may be generally remembered as an 'old sage' in the modern era, it is worth remembering that back in the cartoon Alpha Trion (or rather A3, as he was known) was part of the rebellion against the Quintesson. So it's not implausible to see him as some old badass who is equally an intellectual and a powerful warrior.

It is worth noting that due to molding, TR Alpha Trion has a shorter beard than his actual depiction. Maybe that's just Alpha Trion in his robot fifties rather than eighties? /headcanon-ing the hell out of one toy....

Skritz wrote:To me, his lion-mode and large armored look remind me of a wizened yet-still-badass king, like some sort of aged King Arthur. While he may be generally remembered as an 'old sage' in the modern era, it is worth remembering that back in the cartoon Alpha Trion (or rather A3, as he was known) was part of the rebellion against the Quintesson. So it's not implausible to see him as some old badass who is equally an intellectual and a powerful warrior.

It is worth noting that due to molding, TR Alpha Trion has a shorter beard than his actual depiction. Maybe that's just Alpha Trion in his robot fifties rather than eighties? /headcanon-ing the hell out of one toy....

The Titans Return version made me think of him as Master Bra’tac from Stargate SG-1.

Skritz wrote:To me, his lion-mode and large armored look remind me of a wizened yet-still-badass king, like some sort of aged King Arthur. While he may be generally remembered as an 'old sage' in the modern era, it is worth remembering that back in the cartoon Alpha Trion (or rather A3, as he was known) was part of the rebellion against the Quintesson. So it's not implausible to see him as some old badass who is equally an intellectual and a powerful warrior.

It is worth noting that due to molding, TR Alpha Trion has a shorter beard than his actual depiction. Maybe that's just Alpha Trion in his robot fifties rather than eighties? /headcanon-ing the hell out of one toy....

I hear ya on head-canons!

And yeah, this A-3 is certainly more combat-ready than the old sage we saw in the cartoon! I agree -- it's plausible he got this body upon becoming a Titan Master as well.

See, it does require a bit of headcanon to explain what the hell this Alpha Trion is supposed to repesent: while his design clearly harken to G1 cartoon Alpha Trion in head and color, the lion body is a clear homage to the 3H comic Leobreaker recolor which got scrapped.

So, okay, it's a meta homage which is damn cool. However it still beg the question where or how this guy's design fit into continuity...and the answer is problably 'nowhere' because he's just a toy in the Generations toyline. But speculating on such minute details is certainly something the fandom does, especially given that nowadays we can be assured pretty much everything is 'canon' to some degree in that it exist somewhere in the multiverse. Generally, we can assume design changes to a character are just artistic license in the engineering but that they still nonetheless 'represent' that character, such as how Generations Armada Starscream can be officially seen as an Armada figure inside the Generations line, even if the design was used in comics.

So is he a form of the (a?) G1 A3/Alpha Trion? He appears in some promotional material and there have been universal clusters named for far less. Is he Aligned Alpha Trion? Is he 'Alpha Trizer' from the Wing universe? Or am I simply overthinking a single figure? Probably.

He's based on both his previous Botcon toys -- the Vector Prime repaint (hence the alt-mode and the chest thingy) and the planned BW lion repaint. It's honestly pretty interesting to behold, especially in a line that is so incredibly G1-orientated.

Kurona wrote:He's based on both his previous Botcon toys -- the Vector Prime repaint (hence the alt-mode and the chest thingy) and the planned BW lion repaint. It's honestly pretty interesting to behold, especially in a line that is so incredibly G1-orientated.

I know, which is why his amalgamated design make me speculate all the more! He's the only retail Alpha Trion figure to exist and he's a big pile of crazy Botcon homages to boot, where you'd think that had they wanted a G1-accurate Alpha Trion figure they could have just retooled Scourge given that it is semi-canon that G1 Alpha Trion is some sort of space car and/or hovercraft.

Mind you I'm not complaining, he's certainly one of the most unique and unexpected releases in recent years.

whatdyamean planned? Legends Lio Prime was already released(a while ago)

No wait, we both got it wrong: it's a Beast Machine lion figure called Snarl.

Fun Pub gave the TR Alpha Trion toy a place in fiction by using it as SG Alpha Trion's upgraded form, lion mode and all, as many of their final prose stories of 2016 were giving heavy advertisement attention to mass retail toys (Combiner Wars in particular) from both Hasbro and Takara.

Sabrblade wrote:Fun Pub gave the TR Alpha Trion toy a place in fiction by using it as SG Alpha Trion's upgraded form, lion mode and all, as many of their final prose stories of 2016 were giving heavy advertisement attention to mass retail toys (Combiner Wars in particular) from both Hasbro and Takara.

Huh, guess I must have missed that detail. Oh well now I know. And kno- well you know how that saying goes.

Stuartmaximus wrote:whatdyamean planned? Legends Lio Prime was already released(a while ago)

Not a planned repaint of TR A3 into Leo Prime, what was mentioned was the planned repaint of Beast Machines Snarl (and/or Beast Wars Lio Convoy) into Alpha Trion - I can't find out how far back that scrapped idea dates to, but definitely way before Titans Return A3 came into being.

I myself had been under the impression the TR guy was an homage to both the redeco from Vector Prime, and the Botcon Alpha Trizer from Prime Thundertron; a short wiki-walk, however, informs me that the Alpha Trizer toy was itself an homage to the planned Snarl redeco so I guess I learned something today.

Personally I'd be all in favor of more of these unmade concepts being revisited later in toylines.

Qwan wrote:

Stuartmaximus wrote:whatdyamean planned? Legends Lio Prime was already released(a while ago)

Not a planned repaint of TR A3 into Leo Prime, what was mentioned was the planned repaint of Beast Machines Snarl (and/or Beast Wars Lio Convoy) into Alpha Trion - I can't find out how far back that scrapped idea dates to, but definitely way before Titans Return A3 came into being.

The earliest instance of the Snarl redeco proposal's existence dates back to near the end of January 2001, when Alpha Trion's "VEHICON ALERT!" dossier first went live on BotCon: Beyond.

Skritz wrote:Personally I'd be all in favor of more of these unmade concepts being revisited later in toylines.

Yes! And not only more of those, I'd also like to see those Asia exclusives we never saw in the States...at least we got 'Shadow and Overlord.

In general I really like the stuff-the-west-never-got side of Generations. Even with the internet making information and even physical copies of these older Japan- and Europe-exclusive toys easier to access and get, it still feels really fresh and new.

Snarl (speaking of GPS) is one of my favorite BM era figures and I'd totally be OK with TR Alpha Trion painted up in his colors. I'm a little surprised I can't find a custom or digibash of such thing. Maybe the guy wasn't as popular as I thought he was.

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While Generations has certainly focused on updating a lot of the more classic G1 stuff, we have nonetheless gotten a lot of these unique or novelty figures, such as (not counting conventions) previously toyless characters (Alpha Trion, Jihaxus, Straxus, Sentinel Prime), japan-only characters (Overlord, Metalhawk) and revisited/scrapped concepts (Alpha Trion again as well as G2 Menasor). Not to mention a few homages to non-G1 toylines (Armada Starscream, Sky-Bite, new Beast Wars figures and G2 Laser Rod Prime).

I hope Generations continues in some shape or form after Power of the Prime but I suspect it may get canned for the apparently 'evergreen' toyline. Just going to have to hope those aren't too visually-clashing with the Generations figure which form most, if not all of my collection not counting the old Beast-era stuff.

That said I need my Generations Star Saber, man. I need it like a junkie need his fix...

Nah, Generations has been confirmed to get another line after POTP.

Skritz wrote:I know, which is why his amalgamated design make me speculate all the more! He's the only retail Alpha Trion figure to exist and he's a big pile of crazy Botcon homages to boot, where you'd think that had they wanted a G1-accurate Alpha Trion figure they could have just retooled Scourge given that it is semi-canon that G1 Alpha Trion is some sort of space car and/or hovercraft.

Mind you I'm not complaining, he's certainly one of the most unique and unexpected releases in recent years.

I realy like reading from you Skritz, very glad to see how much you like talking to us, it feels like you have been with Seibertron all along

A few things you might find cool about Alpha Trion. He is the second transforming retail figure. The first from Hasbro, sure, but Takara had their take on him just a bit before, and he did have a space car/hovercraft type alt mode, as you would have predicted.





Another cool thing is that this alpha trion toy was designed a long time ago. He was meant to come out earlier and only have one alt mode:





I do find it pretty cool that even with adding a whole other mode, they ended up with a bot mode very similar to the initial vision from the artist.

It is interesting to note that this Alpha Trion concept art has a beastmode matching the Beast Machine era: techno-organic but symmetrical. Really goes to show they were committed to the idea of remaking that scrapped concept. His robot mode is pure modern Transformers design, however, rather than Beast Machine funk.

As for the Takara Alpha Trion: I was talking purely 'american/western retail', in other words, things you'd find in a brick and mortar store. Or maybe I'm just making up excuses! But anyway, the pre-existence of an Alpha Trion altmode independant of being a retool of somebody exist from comic concept art. That and, well, if you think about it, G1 Alpha Trion being a hovercar of some kind match up perfectly to what we see of the cybertronian altmodes of G1 Autobots in the cartoon. Of course, Alpha Trion may just have been originally intended to lack an alt mode by the writers back then. Still, that Takara figure is absolutely spot on in spite of being a recolored Minimus Ambus.

All in all this does go to show that, at least for me, Alpha Trion has been one of the standout figures in the Titans Return line. Sure, there were plenty which I loved and glad we got, but when it came to sheer novelty, he really was the one who stood out.

Oh btw, I have been here all along I just...barely posted for years.

I love all the A3 talk. That was my most anticipated figure of the early TR and remains my favorite of the line as a whole. That figure, with the detail, the paint, the character, and the modes, it was all so much fun. and he is great paired with Lione! They are a duo I intend to keep

Man, I really wish I could love that Trion as much as I want to. Something just feels off about him though, I think it's the proportions in the torso? Perhaps if I ever picked one up I'd feel differently about him in hand- I can deffo say that if he did match that concept art I'd be all over the dude

ArmadaPrime wrote:Man, I really wish I could love that Trion as much as I want to. Something just feels off about him though, I think it's the proportions in the torso? Perhaps if I ever picked one up I'd feel differently about him in hand- I can deffo say that if he did match that concept art I'd be all over the dude

I completely agree about something feeling off about the figure. But for me, it wasn't until I had the figure in hand that it felt awkward to me. The torso proportions do seem a little odd, as though the torso is too wide or something. To me it feels like an early Energon Autobot toy, which isn't an awful thing but not a very good thing either. People praised the Energon line for its toys, but its best ones were the Decepticons and later Autobot toys. The early-to-mid line Autobot toys weren't as good.

Skritz wrote:While Generations has certainly focused on updating a lot of the more classic G1 stuff, we have nonetheless gotten a lot of these unique or novelty figures, such as (not counting conventions) previously toyless characters (Alpha Trion, Jihaxus, Straxus, Sentinel Prime), japan-only characters (Overlord, Metalhawk) and revisited/scrapped concepts (Alpha Trion again as well as G2 Menasor). Not to mention a few homages to non-G1 toylines (Armada Starscream, Sky-Bite, new Beast Wars figures and G2 Laser Rod Prime).

I hope Generations continues in some shape or form after Power of the Prime but I suspect it may get canned for the apparently 'evergreen' toyline. Just going to have to hope those aren't too visually-clashing with the Generations figure which form most, if not all of my collection not counting the old Beast-era stuff.

That said I need my Generations Star Saber, man. I need it like a junkie need his fix...

Hoping that eventually we'll get Generations versions of the Rescue Bots for when my son gets older.

Kurona wrote:Nah, Generations has been confirmed to get another line after POTP.

I hope it's Titans Return 2.0.

I still think Alpha Trion is my favorite Voyager of the line, and it's because he is so out-of-left-field odd and awesome. Ancient bearded warrior king + giant energy sword + techno organic beast mode = FREAKIN' COOL in my book. Every time.

ArmadaPrime wrote:Man, I really wish I could love that Trion as much as I want to. Something just feels off about him though, I think it's the proportions in the torso? Perhaps if I ever picked one up I'd feel differently about him in hand- I can deffo say that if he did match that concept art I'd be all over the dude

The robot mode matches the concept art pretty well, he's just missing the cape, which was never gonna happen anyways.
But I can tell you this, if there is one toy which does not look better or feel better once in hand, its Alpha Trion. Optimistically, he is as good as he looks or worse. If you do not think the toy looks good, I recomend you buy another toy, he is not for everyone. I personally felt the takara Lio Convoy worked slightly better, if only because the colours were more uniform from one mode to the next and thus made for a better looking lion and spaceship.

He's certainly not a perfect figure by any stretch, I will concede that in terms of engineering he is quite average. I'd say it is more the circumstances around the figure and the character it represent and the sheer novetly of it which really sells the figure for those who are into any of its aspect, be they techno-organic beastformers or Alpha Trion as a character.

On the plus side he's a dude with a sword and wrist articulation, which is nearly nonexistent in Titans Return.

Skritz wrote:Apparently GPS has been fixed since 2007.

Are you sure it's not just because the 2007 toys are not old enough to start disintegrating ?

william-james88 wrote:I personally felt the takara Lio Convoy worked slightly better, if only because the colours were more uniform from one mode to the next and thus made for a better looking lion and spaceship.

Same here, Lio Convoy immediately replaced Trion on my shelves.

ExciKaiser wrote:

Skritz wrote:Apparently GPS has been fixed since 2007.

Are you sure it's not just because the 2007 toys are not old enough to start disintegrating ?

Protoform Starscream came out in 2007 and he was the last documented widespread case of GPS.

I'm pretty sure that's accurate. The only figure I had with this was G2 Slingshot which fell apart almost instantly after only being transformed a couple of times.

Cobotron wrote:I still think Alpha Trion is my favorite Voyager of the line, and it's because he is so out-of-left-field odd and awesome. Ancient bearded warrior king + giant energy sword + techno organic beast mode = FREAKIN' COOL in my book. Every time.

This is my reason, put into much better and cooler words.

Thanks to a heads up from Deaths Reviews, we have word that all 3 Phase Sixers are now available at Hasbro Toy Shop! Titans Return Leader class Sixshot and Sky Shadow have had listings on Hasbro Toy Shop for a while now, but have been repeatedly in and out of stock, and now both figures are currently available. Overlord, however, is brand new to the shop, and is currently in stock! All 3 figures are available for $44.99, which is just shy of the $49 free shipping limit. However, if you would buy more than 1 of the Decepticon leader class figures, or if you would add even a single Titan Master, you would qualify for the free shipping.

As a reminder, Sixshot is the Decepticon 6-changer who can assume a robot, wolf, car, tank, jet and gunsubmarine mode. Sky Shadow was Japanese gangster pretender from G1 whose shell and inner robot mode have been fused together for his modern non-pretender figure. Overlord was the giant Decepticon leader from Super God Masterforce, and this is his first mass release toy in the states.

Check them out, and let us know if you are planning to pick up the Phase Sixers!

Sixshot: https://www.hasbrotoyshop.com/en/htsusa ... 0?catName=

Sky Shadow: https://www.hasbrotoyshop.com/en/htsusa ... 0?catName=

Overlord: https://www.hasbrotoyshop.com/en/htsusa ... 0?catName=

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:

Cobotron wrote:I still think Alpha Trion is my favorite Voyager of the line, and it's because he is so out-of-left-field odd and awesome. Ancient bearded warrior king + giant energy sword + techno organic beast mode = FREAKIN' COOL in my book. Every time.

This is my reason, put into much better and cooler words.

Yes & yes! I have had more fun than I thought possible with A-3, and it's good to see some love for him.He was certainly a unique Voyager for TR.I am glad Generations is planned for after PotP -- it's certainly delivered on modern updates to beloved characters from all across the globe and forms of media.

Like Skritz, I really want a CHUG Star Saber! Deathsaurus too! Er, I mean Unknown Evil....

And I'm so tempted to order Overlord online....but I am leaving my fate to B&M. And kinda hoping he shows up at Ross or another discount seller for Xmas.

Just saw about 4 overlords and 3 six shots at my walmart last night.

bodrock wrote:And kinda hoping he shows up at Ross or another discount seller for Xmas.

I feel like Titans Return supply was managed better than Combiner Wars simply because I still haven't seen any Titans Return figures at Ross/TJ Maxx/Marshalls.

Rysquad wrote:

bodrock wrote:And kinda hoping he shows up at Ross or another discount seller for Xmas.

I feel like Titans Return supply was managed better than Combiner Wars simply because I still haven't seen any Titans Return figures at Ross/TJ Maxx/Marshalls.

That may be the case -- I only ever saw Voyagers and Leaders as well, so as far as I know, I missed out on finding Misfire at b&m. ;_;

I'm going hunting now...last night, all Walmart had was TLK and wave1 TR deluxes....

supposedly there have been sightings of Fort turning up at TK Maxx(or should that be TK Fort Maxx? lol) in the UK, but I guess it'll be a hit & miss affair! much like was the case with CW Sky Lynx

I tried to hunt FM last Xmas, Stuartmaximus! No luck, but I did get that AoE dinoboxset where they had G1-style heads.

Nothing for TR yet again.....best thing I saw was still TLK: Optimus voice-changing helmet for $30 at Ross.

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Thanks to a heads up from Deaths Reviews, we have word that all 3 Phase Sixers are now available at Hasbro Toy Shop! Titans Return Leader class Sixshot and Sky Shadow have had listings on Hasbro Toy Shop for a while now, but have been repeatedly in and out of stock, and now both figures are currently available. Overlord, however, is brand new to the shop, and is currently in stock! All 3 figures are available for $44.99, which is just shy of the $49 free shipping limit. However, if you would buy more than 1 of the Decepticon leader class figures, or if you would add even a single Titan Master, you would qualify for the free shipping.

As a reminder, Sixshot is the Decepticon 6-changer who can assume a robot, wolf, car, tank, jet and gunsubmarine mode. Sky Shadow was Japanese gangster pretender from G1 whose shell and inner robot mode have been fused together for his modern non-pretender figure. Overlord was the giant Decepticon leader from Super God Masterforce, and this is his first mass release toy in the states.

Check them out, and let us know if you are planning to pick up the Phase Sixers!

Sixshot: https://www.hasbrotoyshop.com/en/htsusa ... 0?catName=

Sky Shadow: https://www.hasbrotoyshop.com/en/htsusa ... 0?catName=

Overlord: https://www.hasbrotoyshop.com/en/htsusa ... 0?catName=

And if you're not sure if you want Overlord or not, check out the review at (my) youtube channel!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vaq8eLlMm18

one thing that we never got with the Titans Return line was Junkion Blacksmith style Titan Masters(ie the TM's would have 3 modes themselves! basically a triple-changer) but now this line is coming to an end & POTP is starting, I doubt that we'll now ever see triple changing heads.

You know what is a case of 'would have been cool' that occured to me? If not for the fact is a very late remold and an 'exclusive' at that I can't help but think that the Grotusque mold would have made an awesome basis for the three Firecons. Sounds like a kickass concept for some fanpub or botcon thing but, alas, those are a thing of the past now.