Transformers Titans Return Siege on Cybertron, Wave 5 Found at Hong Kong Retail
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Posted by Stuartmaximus on July 23rd, 2017 @ 7:57am CDT
steals_your_goats wrote:And I guess we can kiss Scorponok and Omega goodbye for the time being too
Eh? won't they still release those under Power Of The Primes?(well....we're still getting a Scorponok TM anyway )
Posted by steals_your_goats on July 23rd, 2017 @ 7:59am CDT
Stuartmaximus wrote:steals_your_goats wrote:And I guess we can kiss Scorponok and Omega goodbye for the time being too
Eh? won't they still release those under Power Of The Primes?(well....we're still getting a Scorponok TM anyway )
They were never confirmed to be coming out in power of the primes. It was all speculation.
Posted by Lunatic Prime on July 23rd, 2017 @ 9:10am CDT
Va'al wrote:Fellow Seibertronian Etseterrestrial has sent our way some new sightings from store in Hong Kong, featuring Titans Return Twin Twist, Misfire, Siege on Cybertron, but no Windblade for some reason! The visited Toys'R'Us store is the one in Tsim Sha Tsui, Hong Kong, and you can check out images below!
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Why don't they have Windblades? Just because she's not from G1?
Posted by Lunatic Prime on July 23rd, 2017 @ 9:18am CDT
MaverickPrime wrote:Lunatic Prime wrote:
That's definitely the mold that already appeared for Hyperfire, Stylor and Teslor. Just his face looks a bit different.
Ok, lets assume it is based on Blurr's TM...isn't that thing behing him Arcee's leg? What if they were part of the same set? What Ultra Magnus IS Arcee's partner?
Also...what if this is the HasCon exclusive? Maybe they won't release the other 2 boxsets at retail because they were repurposed as the convention set? Mayber one as a set and the other split into antendee's exclusives or freebie figures like it was in BotCon?
I don't get what you mean by:
[...]isn't that thing behing him Arcee's leg?
And you can see on UM's card that he has a blue face on his back. That's definitely his face and not Arcee's besides it wouldn't make any sence to give him Arcee's face
Posted by Rated X on July 23rd, 2017 @ 9:41am CDT
Lunatic Prime wrote:Va'al wrote:Fellow Seibertronian Etseterrestrial has sent our way some new sightings from store in Hong Kong, featuring Titans Return Twin Twist, Misfire, Siege on Cybertron, but no Windblade for some reason! The visited Toys'R'Us store is the one in Tsim Sha Tsui, Hong Kong, and you can check out images below!
If you come across any new figures near you, please be sure to let us know in the Sightings Database and regional forums!
Why don't they have Windblades? Just because she's not from G1?
No. Because windblade was so popular in Asia she sold out the first 15 minutes!
Cant wait to see her next figure in power of the primes and maybe she will make the bumblebee movie too!
Posted by -Kanrabat- on July 23rd, 2017 @ 9:53am CDT
Rated X wrote:
No. Because windblade was so popular in Asia she sold out the first 15 minutes!
Cant wait to see her next figure in power of the primes and maybe she will make the bumblebee movie too!
Starting with AoE, the movie bots are much more "classic" looking, going away from the alien/monster look of '07 and ROTF. So I'm actually looking forward to what a Movie Windblade would look like.
Posted by william-james88 on July 23rd, 2017 @ 11:04am CDT
steals_your_goats wrote:And they have things planned out until 2021, is that supposed to make us feel better? That we have to wait up to 4 more years just to complete teams like the headmaster juniors and most likely the monsterbots with the way things are going? And I guess we can kiss Scorponok and Omega goodbye for the time being too.
I don't know. They keep saying that they listen to what the fans say but then they keep proving that they don't. They must only read the posts of people praising the stuff they put out and not the negative or criticizing ones. And I hate to say it but all this stuff is just pushing me closer and closer to giving up on Hasbro all together and just going full Takara.
While I understand and share your frustration, I dont see how going Takara would change your situation. It took them even more time to get the insecticons and they still didnt colour match them, plus we were stuck with some TAV stickers on em. Just one example, of course, but I dont feel you will be better off.
And yes, you would have to wait 4 more years from hasbro to get the stuff that we are missing, but didnt it take us 3 years to get all the insecticons? Its not like waiting around is something new to do. Its been 11 years since CHUG began and we still dont have a decent Ironhide toy from Hasbro.
Stuartmaximus wrote:steals_your_goats wrote:And I guess we can kiss Scorponok and Omega goodbye for the time being too
Eh? won't they still release those under Power Of The Primes?(well....we're still getting a Scorponok TM anyway )
All that Hasbro said is that they are on the line's roadmap from now to 2021. They could come at anytime within that period.
Lunatic Prime wrote:Why don't they have Windblades? Just because she's not from G1?
I think the wording may be confusing, the user just meant that he didnt find windblade, meaning she was already sold out.
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:There's no precedent for regular retail releases being repurposed as convention items.
Untrue, CW Reflector was a regular retail release that was repurposed as a convention item. Hence why his headsculpt looks more like something that comes from hasbro rather than fun pub. He was the intended second use of the Shockwave mold.
Deadput wrote:What happens after POTP is done and over with and the Prime wars trilogy is over, is generations done with because what else can they actually do besides remake characters who don't have updates yet?
Hasbro confirmed that there are currently plans for the generations line to continue until at least 2021.
You know what, for those unaware, I will just put the interview here, we got some juicy info:
Can you tell us about the other two Titans Return box sets which we have not seen yet?
Sure, as fans have noticed, the sets are centered around the four different powers/tech specs and only two of those powers are getting the boxset treatment. We will not be releasing the other remaining powers as box sets of the same kinds but there will be unique offerings that will allow fans to have a representation of the two remaining powers. It will be exciting news shared later so stay tuned (Editor's note: this is probably what the recent Arcee and Ultra Magnus leaks are about and would explain why they are a different format than what we have previously seen since the remaining powers would not be done in the same way as the boxsets)
Will there be other toys in the Slugslinger wave?
Yes but they will all be repackaged characters. I do not remember which characters are repackaged however Slugslinger is the only new character in that wave and the final new toy from the Titans Return line (Editor’s note: this might be a response to the frequent practice of retailers not ordering/stocking the final waves of figures as was the case with Combiner Wars)
Why not wait for this Prime evolution gimmick to release Power Master Prime?
That's an excellent question. The idea we have in Power of the Primes line is that they evolve up so he would have been a good fit. But in the year Titans Return we wanted to make sure we had a big version of Optimus Prime and there's only so many big cool versions of the character so as we were looking at the Titans Return ecosystem we weren't even thinking of that evolution system yet which only came to real form a year ago and by that time Power Master Prime was already finished.
Any plans for God bomber in the US?
God Bomber, there are no plans for God Bomber to come to the US at this time. All that is planned is that Magnus Prime in the Seige of Cybertron set.
Anything with Omega Supreme or Scorponok which were also into fan vote since you know we like those guys?
Well the fan polls are really awesome for us because they let us engage with the fans and see what they're excited about. When we look to 2021 and all the possibilities we now have with the technology, absolutely. Characters like Omega Supreme and Scorponok are some of the most memorable characters in The Transformers universe and in the spirit of imagining things that are cool and giving them a new light they are totally on the table.
Posted by Sjeng on July 23rd, 2017 @ 11:34am CDT
Lunatic Prime wrote:MaverickPrime wrote:Lunatic Prime wrote:
That's definitely the mold that already appeared for Hyperfire, Stylor and Teslor. Just his face looks a bit different.
Ok, lets assume it is based on Blurr's TM...isn't that thing behing him Arcee's leg? What if they were part of the same set? What Ultra Magnus IS Arcee's partner?
Also...what if this is the HasCon exclusive? Maybe they won't release the other 2 boxsets at retail because they were repurposed as the convention set? Maybe one as a set and the other split into antendee's exclusives or freebie figures like it was in BotCon?
I don't get what you mean by:[...]isn't that thing behing him Arcee's leg?
And you can see on UM's card that he has a blue face on his back. That's definitely his face and not Arcee's besides it wouldn't make any sence to give him Arcee's face
I think this is another new box set with 1 Titanmaster (Magnus here), 1 Legends, 1 Deluxe (Arcee), 1 Voyager (the green bot Arcee is leaping over) and 1 Leader (the big leg behind Magnus). The art on both cards could simply be from the entire box art. That explosion on both cards could be one and the same explosion, so Magnus is rinnung somewhere in the middle, Arcee jumping away to the right, over a Green bot, with the Leader on the left and somewhere another Legends bot.
Posted by bodrock on July 23rd, 2017 @ 11:41am CDT
I have one incarnation of Windblade, but I need that TR version. For DAT IDW FACE.
I wish we could see a shelf stocked like that, here in the States! Last time I was in Asia, I didn't have any time to hunt
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on July 23rd, 2017 @ 2:16pm CDT
The art for the cards may have come from the original box set art, yes, just "snipped up".
Posted by Autobot N on July 23rd, 2017 @ 3:51pm CDT
Y'know, I'm honestly not too upset about this. While it sure is disappointing that TR is ending, it just gives me some time to save up money for POTP.william-james88 wrote:I have terrible news guys. John Warden has just confirmed that Slugslinger is the only new toy in his wave, everything else is a repack. He is the final TR toy to be released at mass retail (and yes, that means that retailer exclusives like Orion Pax can still come out). But nothing else in the mainline.
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on July 23rd, 2017 @ 4:20pm CDT
Posted by Kurona on July 23rd, 2017 @ 4:44pm CDT
I'm hoping that we might see more T30 re-issues. Then again, if we were, I get the feeling that would have been announced or at least Warden would have remembered and mentioned it. Or maybe that's our last 'surprise'.
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on July 23rd, 2017 @ 5:18pm CDT
Kurona wrote:Wolfwire very likely won't be re-issued in Wave 6, as he just got re-issued in Wave 5.
Right, got mixed up there
Posted by Kurona on July 23rd, 2017 @ 5:45pm CDT
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on July 23rd, 2017 @ 5:47pm CDT
Kurona wrote:That said, while an all-rerelease-but-slugslinger wave is very disappointing news, I must admit to being extremely interested as to which figures they'll put out. This is their chance to give us a sort of "greatest hits of Titans Return" Wave aside from those featured in the one directly previous. I don't think we ever got re-issues on this wide a scale so I'm actually getting more excited at the prospect.
On the plus side, this should prevent any major occurrences of "Tail-Ender Syndrome", in which newer toys at the end of a given line end up impossible to find.
Posted by william-james88 on July 23rd, 2017 @ 5:59pm CDT
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Kurona wrote:That said, while an all-rerelease-but-slugslinger wave is very disappointing news, I must admit to being extremely interested as to which figures they'll put out. This is their chance to give us a sort of "greatest hits of Titans Return" Wave aside from those featured in the one directly previous. I don't think we ever got re-issues on this wide a scale so I'm actually getting more excited at the prospect.
On the plus side, this should prevent any major occurrences of "Tail-Ender Syndrome", in which newer toys at the end of a given line end up impossible to find.
Aside from Slugslinger himself.
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on July 23rd, 2017 @ 6:02pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Kurona wrote:That said, while an all-rerelease-but-slugslinger wave is very disappointing news, I must admit to being extremely interested as to which figures they'll put out. This is their chance to give us a sort of "greatest hits of Titans Return" Wave aside from those featured in the one directly previous. I don't think we ever got re-issues on this wide a scale so I'm actually getting more excited at the prospect.
On the plus side, this should prevent any major occurrences of "Tail-Ender Syndrome", in which newer toys at the end of a given line end up impossible to find.
Aside from Slugslinger himself.
Pray he'll be packed at least 2 a case
Posted by william-james88 on July 23rd, 2017 @ 6:07pm CDT
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:william-james88 wrote:JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Kurona wrote:That said, while an all-rerelease-but-slugslinger wave is very disappointing news, I must admit to being extremely interested as to which figures they'll put out. This is their chance to give us a sort of "greatest hits of Titans Return" Wave aside from those featured in the one directly previous. I don't think we ever got re-issues on this wide a scale so I'm actually getting more excited at the prospect.
On the plus side, this should prevent any major occurrences of "Tail-Ender Syndrome", in which newer toys at the end of a given line end up impossible to find.
Aside from Slugslinger himself.
Pray he'll be packed at least 2 a case
Doesnt matter if the wave isnt stocked. Skylynx was packed 2 per case.
Posted by Lunatic Prime on July 23rd, 2017 @ 6:11pm CDT
Rated X wrote:Lunatic Prime wrote:Va'al wrote:Fellow Seibertronian Etseterrestrial has sent our way some new sightings from store in Hong Kong, featuring Titans Return Twin Twist, Misfire, Siege on Cybertron, but no Windblade for some reason! The visited Toys'R'Us store is the one in Tsim Sha Tsui, Hong Kong, and you can check out images below!
If you come across any new figures near you, please be sure to let us know in the Sightings Database and regional forums!
Why don't they have Windblades? Just because she's not from G1?
No. Because windblade was so popular in Asia she sold out the first 15 minutes!
Cant wait to see her next figure in power of the primes and maybe she will make the bumblebee movie too!
I don't think we'll get more than one Windblade for the Prime Wars but a Windblade Prime would be great.
Posted by Kurona on July 23rd, 2017 @ 6:14pm CDT
Posted by nycPrime on July 23rd, 2017 @ 8:04pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:Warden said "no plans for Godbomber in the U.S.", not strictly for Titans Return.ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:There's always Power of the Primes for Apex Bomber.
Yea that's how I read it too. Not sure where that leaves me. I can't really have a Magnus Prime without a God Bomber. And I'm really not feeling that BBTS price of $70.
Posted by william-james88 on July 23rd, 2017 @ 8:13pm CDT
nycPrime wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Warden said "no plans for Godbomber in the U.S.", not strictly for Titans Return.ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:There's always Power of the Primes for Apex Bomber.
Yea that's how I read it too. Not sure where that leaves me. I can't really have a Magnus Prime without a God Bomber. And I'm really not feeling that BBTS price of $70.
70$ is a very decent price for him, as cheap as he will get. He wasn't cheap in Japan either. I am surprised BBTS hasnt upped his price (unless they have a bunch in stock). They might once they get wind of this news.
Right now I am personally thinking of just not getting that seige of cybertron set (clones be damned) and getting that special God Ginrai release from Takara and get those bonus titan masters.
Posted by kurthy on July 23rd, 2017 @ 8:20pm CDT
nycPrime wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Warden said "no plans for Godbomber in the U.S.", not strictly for Titans Return.ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:There's always Power of the Primes for Apex Bomber.
Yea that's how I read it too. Not sure where that leaves me. I can't really have a Magnus Prime without a God Bomber. And I'm really not feeling that BBTS price of $70.
This makes me wonder a few things:
1. Will this announcement leads to mass cancelations of preorders on BBTS? Might as well get the box set from takara.
2. How will this affect the value of pounce on the aftermarket? He'll be the biggest reason to buy the box set (I'm guessing much more than tidal wave and metalhawk) unless one only got godbomber from takara.
3. Will Arcee and UM be the Hascon exclusives?
Posted by nycPrime on July 23rd, 2017 @ 8:22pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:Right now I am personally thinking of just not getting that seige of cybertron set (clones be damned) and getting that special God Ginrai release from Takara and get those bonus titan masters.
I already cancelled my PO for the God Ginrai set. The Siege on Cybertron set is $100, and I can pick up Ginrai from BBTS for $70. So $170 for a decent number of figures. I find it hard to justify paying about the same price for the God Ginrai set for basically 2 figures plus the 2 headmasters.
Posted by william-james88 on July 23rd, 2017 @ 8:24pm CDT
nycPrime wrote:william-james88 wrote:Right now I am personally thinking of just not getting that seige of cybertron set (clones be damned) and getting that special God Ginrai release from Takara and get those bonus titan masters.
I already cancelled my PO for the God Ginrai set. The Siege on Cybertron set is $100, and I can pick up Ginrai from BBTS for $70. So $170 for a decent number of figures. I find it hard to justify paying about the same price for the God Ginrai set for basically 2 figures plus the 2 headmasters.
That is perfectly good reasoning.
Posted by mordhelm on July 23rd, 2017 @ 10:47pm CDT
Other than rereleasing popular figures it seems a bit senseless. It sounds like they originally planned slugslinger to be in wave 5 (since most waves are 4 deluxes and wave 5 only had 3 new ones).
I agree with another poster. It sounds like we got multiple items cut last minute (in development time, not our perceived time) due to something happening. What got cancelled in lieu of what other thing?
TR has been an odd duck with releases. That said, I am not too surprised by this. We have already gotten compared to CW:
Titan Master: 19 TR
Legends: 17 TR, 18 CW
Deluxe: 26 TR, 35 CW
Voyager: 11 TR, 10 CW
Leader: 6 TR, 6 CW
Titan: 2 TR, 1 CW
Fod the sake of argument I included the boxset releases in the figures above but not Liokaiser since he is a Platinum toy.
I think the amount of toy we got in this line was more, we just didn't have them at our preferred scale. 19 new class figures, plus a whole new bigger Titan figure.
It sucks but, looking at it this way, it is distinctly possible that maybe this was the plan all along, save for the boxsets the appear to have been in the works based on the Arcee and UM cards.
Darn now I don't know what to think.
Posted by Chriphord on July 24th, 2017 @ 1:26am CDT
mordhelm wrote:Did anyone ask Mr. Warden to elaborate as to the exact reasons that wave 6 is a single figure?
Other than rereleasing popular figures it seems a bit senseless. It sounds like they originally planned slugslinger to be in wave 5 (since most waves are 4 deluxes and wave 5 only had 3 new ones).
I agree with another poster. It sounds like we got multiple items cut last minute (in development time, not our perceived time) due to something happening. What got cancelled in lieu of what other thing?
TR has been an odd duck with releases. That said, I am not too surprised by this. We have already gotten compared to CW:
Titan Master: 19 TR
Legends: 17 TR, 18 CW
Deluxe: 26 TR, 35 CW
Voyager: 11 TR, 10 CW
Leader: 6 TR, 6 CW
Titan: 2 TR, 1 CW
Fod the sake of argument I included the boxset releases in the figures above but not Liokaiser since he is a Platinum toy.
I think the amount of toy we got in this line was more, we just didn't have them at our preferred scale. 19 new class figures, plus a whole new bigger Titan figure.
It sucks but, looking at it this way, it is distinctly possible that maybe this was the plan all along, save for the boxsets the appear to have been in the works based on the Arcee and UM cards.
Darn now I don't know what to think.
You make a really good point. Potentially re-releasing WeirdWolfWire in wave 5(? correct me if I'm wrong) due to popular demand probably pushed Slugslinger into a necessary wave of his own to allow people to get that popular dog and wave 6 to also allow some more populars to come back.
Posted by Insurgent on July 24th, 2017 @ 1:52am CDT
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on July 24th, 2017 @ 2:01am CDT
Wave 4: C10**
Wave 5: C23**
Wave 6: C3250 for Slugslinger
Putting Misfire and Slugslinger in separate waves may have been out of necessity since they share the same base (Triggerhappy), even if they don't show it overall aside from being jets. I don't know what they were thinking, in fact I think it's weirder that Wave 4 had 5 new figures, usually it's 4 or less.
Posted by nycPrime on July 24th, 2017 @ 9:52am CDT
william-james88 wrote:nycPrime wrote:william-james88 wrote:Right now I am personally thinking of just not getting that seige of cybertron set (clones be damned) and getting that special God Ginrai release from Takara and get those bonus titan masters.
I already cancelled my PO for the God Ginrai set. The Siege on Cybertron set is $100, and I can pick up Ginrai from BBTS for $70. So $170 for a decent number of figures. I find it hard to justify paying about the same price for the God Ginrai set for basically 2 figures plus the 2 headmasters.
That is perfectly good reasoning.
Ya know Will, I'm flirting with the idea of getting both sets and selling off the figures I don't want. That really changes the math a lot. Like for the Chaos set, I really only wanted the clone and to a lesser degree Rodimus. I ended up selling everything else for a price that basically got me the clone for free. I may end up selling the poster inside and the Rodimus headmaster to turn a small profit.
The only problem is I'm not sure how much the other figures in the Siege set would fetch. Magnus would fetch a pretty penny, and I could see getting back $70 after fees and shipping. I imagine I can at a minimum break even or turn a small profit by selling everything else minus Pouch. Any profit would offset the price of the God Ginrai set. If I could get the God Ginrai set with Pouch all in for about $150, that's pretty tempting.
Posted by o.supreme on July 24th, 2017 @ 10:10am CDT
william-james88 wrote:I have terrible news guys. John Warden has just confirmed that Slugslinger is the only new toy in his wave, everything else is a repack. He is the final TR toy to be released at mass retail (and yes, that means that retailer exclusives like Orion Pax can still come out). But nothing else in the mainline.
So yes, that means that a line where every voyager was a triplechanging headmaster did not include apeface and snap dragon as voyagers. I am speechless.
I read that news also yesterday.
Negatives: No God Bomber, not additional Two Box Sets to cover the other two Power Classes and Complete the clones:
Positives: Well Looks Like Overlord, Trypticon, and Ramhorn are all I need to complete my personal collection.
I was getting the box sets for the Leaders, and since there are no more, then I guess that's a slight relief to my wallet. If my son wants the Walgreens set to complete they clones I *may* get it, but its not a high priority, not so much as now I have to find a quite pricey God Bomber from Takara
Posted by william-james88 on July 24th, 2017 @ 10:32am CDT
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Ok, I'll give you CW Reflector. He was never leaked or even hinted towards I believe, which may indicate he was scrapped early enough to prevent it, but the head was kept "just in case". Not really the case with this Arcee and Ultra Magnus, is it?
Well then how about CW Ratchet and Starscream? The head designs were shown by Hasbro so we know they designed them. But both of those were instead released as exclusives in different markets and never in the mainline.
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on July 24th, 2017 @ 12:25pm CDT
and Slugslinger is it? That is horribly depressing, but at least it gets my wallet ready for PotP and gives me a break after a summer/fall heavy of figures
Posted by Rysquad on July 24th, 2017 @ 12:25pm CDT
bacem wrote:Found this on sunson son facebook page.
guess this means we will get him as titan master only. Personally, i don't mind, as we already got a proper ultra magnus on combiner wars.
I hope this one still comes out.
Posted by Rysquad on July 24th, 2017 @ 1:46pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:Why not wait for this Prime evolution gimmick to release Power Master Prime?
That's an excellent question. The idea we have in Power of the Primes line is that they evolve up so he would have been a good fit. But in the year Titans Return we wanted to make sure we had a big version of Optimus Prime and there's only so many big cool versions of the character so as we were looking at the Titans Return ecosystem we weren't even thinking of that evolution system yet which only came to real form a year ago and by that time Power Master Prime was already finished.
Any plans for God bomber in the US?
God Bomber, there are no plans for God Bomber to come to the US at this time. All that is planned is that Magnus Prime in the Seige of Cybertron set.
I really wish the cab on Magnus Prime was white.
Posted by RodimusConvoy13 on July 24th, 2017 @ 2:32pm CDT
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on July 24th, 2017 @ 3:13pm CDT
I've been thinking about why we didn't get the Horrorcons. People have wailed and railed repeatedly about us not getting them in a subline full of triple-changing Headmaster Voyagers...
But I think I can see why: Mental block and/or design concerns caused by their unique gimmick of triple-changing Headmaster partners.
Titan Masters are smaller than the original Headmaster partner figures, resulting in normal Deluxe-size heads (with masks and helmets and such bulking things up on the larger size classes as needed), which is fine for most characters.
But that small size would be a liability with Spasma and Krunk. Replicating their designs at Titan Master size would result in dinky beast mode heads, and in Snapdragon's case a rather small robot face as well. So what do you do? Sacrifice the Horrorcon gimmick and have the beast mode heads be separate? Somehow come up with booster masks for either mode's head that still fit within the constraints of Titans Return Voyagers? Scale them down to Deluxe so that the head size is less of an issue?
Posted by mordhelm on July 24th, 2017 @ 4:00pm CDT
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I like that base mode for Blitzwing and Megatron.
I've been thinking about why we didn't get the Horrorcons. People have wailed and railed repeatedly about us not getting them in a subline full of triple-changing Headmaster Voyagers...
But I think I can see why: Mental block and/or design concerns caused by their unique gimmick of triple-changing Headmaster partners.
Titan Masters are smaller than the original Headmaster partner figures, resulting in normal Deluxe-size heads (with masks and helmets and such bulking things up on the larger size classes as needed), which is fine for most characters.
But that small size would be a liability with Spasma and Krunk. Replicating their designs at Titan Master size would result in dinky beast mode heads, and in Snapdragon's case a rather small robot face as well. So what do you do? Sacrifice the Horrorcon gimmick and have the beast mode heads be separate? Somehow come up with booster masks for either mode's head that still fit within the constraints of Titans Return Voyagers? Scale them down to Deluxe so that the head size is less of an issue?
Well, what they could have done is have the Beast head be similar to the "vehicles" in the Titan Master size class. The Beast head transforms from Head to weapon/shield/vehicle. Not saying this is how they would have done it, but it makes the most sense to me.
Now, I don't want to get anyone's hopes up, but what if Apeface and Snapdragon are what finish off Intelligence and Firepower from the previous 2 boxsets. Warden said something will finish it off, IIRC. What if they are somehow part of that? Otherwise, I guess there is always 2019 lol.
Posted by o.supreme on July 24th, 2017 @ 4:05pm CDT
Posted by Kurona on July 24th, 2017 @ 4:07pm CDT
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on July 24th, 2017 @ 5:55pm CDT
An accessory that made up the difference in head mass might have been workable, though at the cost of not being usable in certain modes.
At any rate, faced with that dilemma, it's quite possible the designers got hung up on trying to decide on a solution and/or may have decided to put the Horrorcons off til the gimmick changed and they could get away with larger Headmaster partner figures.
Another factor may be lack/perceived lack of characters the Horrorcons could be mold-mated with (Each other? Shoehorning Grimlock into being a triple-changer for Snapdragon? Optimal Optimus for Apeface?). The only Titans Return Voyager who isn't mold-mated with anyone is Galvatron, and if there was only room for one standalone, well...
Posted by -Kanrabat- on July 24th, 2017 @ 6:12pm CDT
Posted by william-james88 on July 24th, 2017 @ 9:15pm CDT
mordhelm wrote:Did anyone ask Mr. Warden to elaborate as to the exact reasons that wave 6 is a single figure?
Other than rereleasing popular figures it seems a bit senseless. It sounds like they originally planned slugslinger to be in wave 5 (since most waves are 4 deluxes and wave 5 only had 3 new ones).
I agree with another poster. It sounds like we got multiple items cut last minute (in development time, not our perceived time) due to something happening. What got cancelled in lieu of what other thing?
I dont think it means anything was cancelled, they plotted what was coming out in the mainline for a while. It was the retailer exclusives which got changed around.
And the idea of only having one new toy in a wave is something they are trying now and will repeat in the next line, as can be seen from the leaks of today, where POTP wave 4 will only have 1 new deluxe.
Posted by Kurona on July 24th, 2017 @ 9:22pm CDT
I really like this, actually. Yeah. Let's go!
Posted by william-james88 on July 24th, 2017 @ 9:32pm CDT
Kurona wrote:I must admit, I am a little more open to the idea of an 'empty' wave as such now. It seems bad at first because less toys -- and especially in this situation, where along with other information it seemed to indicate things got cancelled. But sitting back and thinking about it it seems good all around -- less toys means we get quality over quantity and less need for mold re-use, it means our wallets get a bit of a break, and it means much more re-issues come out in that wave meaning if you missed a popular product before you could potentially have a better chance to catch up now.
I really like this, actually. Yeah. Let's go!
Its also worth noting that this whole idea of always having 4 deluxes per wave only started with CW. Right up until then it alternated and ther was no steadfast rule. Here are the generations figures starting when Generations became close to what it is today (and closely linked with IDW designs).
Wave 5
Bumblebee
Megatron
Orion Pax
Trailcutter
Wave 6
Hoist
Thundercracker
Wave 7
Dreadwing
Goldfire
Autobot Skids
Waspinator
Wave 8
Mini-Con Assault Team (Heavytread, Runway, Windshear)
Autobot Scoop (w/ Holepunch & Caliburst)
Skywarp
Armada Starscream
Wave 9
Rattrap
Tankor
Wave 10
Crosscut
Jhiaxus
Nightbeat
Windblade
Wave 11
Arcee
Chromia
Posted by Rysquad on July 24th, 2017 @ 10:37pm CDT
Love these little guys.
Posted by Sigma Magnus on July 24th, 2017 @ 10:40pm CDT
Rysquad wrote:
Love these little guys.
Glad to see more people putting those two together! Personally, I put the Headmaster inside Brawn to work like a Pretender.
Posted by mordhelm on July 24th, 2017 @ 11:10pm CDT
Posted by Emerje on July 25th, 2017 @ 2:46am CDT
Whatever happens to wave 6 I just hope they give Clobber a second run. I'll never understand why they chose Overboard over him in Wave 5. Sure is comforting knowing Hasbro is listening to the fans and reading the forums. "A lot of fans missed out on Clobber because their stores only got the revision wave without him? A fan-favorite character is hard to find and the fans are angry? Nah, let's release Nightbeat three times instead."
Emerje