Transformers: The Definitive G1 Comics Collection Subscription

Oh boy cant wait to see this!

I'm... not quite sure about this. I do want to read all the Marvel US and UK stories as well as the early IDW stuff, but this seems an extremely roundabout and gimmicky way to do it for anyone that actually wants to read it in order rather than just receive highlights.
And oh shoot it includes Dreamwave. ghhhhh...

hm yes I have just subscribed to this from an ad off fb, and it didn't have the above details (checked in to let Seibertron know but you already got it) - didn't realise this wasn't in chronological order, which isn't quite as cool.. might cancel after a few issues then..

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Hmm, this could be tricky. I really want to get hold of the complete Marvel G1 (and G2) series, including the issues exclusive to the US/UK, but this release schedule sounds...complicated. I'd much rather they left out the Dreamwave and IDW stuff and released the entire series in far fewer, much bigger, albeit more expensive volumes.

Looking over it again it seems at least worth it for the first few issues; even if I cancel after. Worst case scenario I get Target: 2006, the spotlights, Stormbringer, Primal Scream, a wallet some keyrings and a mug. Plus talking to my friend apparently this is pretty cheap as far as graphic novel prices go.

... I'd still be getting Dreamwave though. Uuuuuuuuuuugh.

Even after all these years that Magnus Vs Galvatron battle art from Target: 2006 still looks fantastic and full of energy. Primus bless you, Geoff Senior.

Dammit I may have to pick this up if only for the recoloured Marvel stories.

And yay Dreamwave who brought back Transformers comics to us before IDW started churning crap out like Angry Birds, Gi Joe crossover and Barber's garbage.

Well it's certainly going to take it's time getting here.

In any case, kinda excited

Kurona wrote:

Well it's certainly going to take it's time getting here.

In any case, kinda excited

Hate to break it to you I was on site they say they can't send issues outside uk which fans who live us are screwed

I would have defiantly considerd making subscription purchase if they shipped to us and have paypal account

dragons wrote:

Kurona wrote:

Well it's certainly going to take it's time getting here.

In any case, kinda excited

Hate to break it to you I was on site they say they can't send issues outside uk which fans who live us are screwed

I would have defiantly considerd making subscription purchase if they shipped to us and have paypal account

Well, I mean, I live in Scotland so it's not exactly a problem for me.

But yeah, it's kind of... kind of sad that there's not a US counterpart when this looks like a lot of fun.
Admittedly I might have to cancel it eventually and re-open my subscriptions based on changing addresses. Uni does that to you...

it says definitive, i dont see all the marvel issues from the begining

Kurona wrote:

Ultra Markus wrote:it says definitive, i dont see all the marvel issues from the begining

Dr Va'al wrote:the company has set up an officially licensed hardcover complete collection of Generation 1 stories, in reading order, which covers the entirety of Marvel US and UK, plus the Dreamwave era and the current IDW universe.

all in one book?

Ultra Markus wrote:

Kurona wrote:

Ultra Markus wrote:it says definitive, i dont see all the marvel issues from the begining

Dr Va'al wrote:the company has set up an officially licensed hardcover complete collection of Generation 1 stories, in reading order, which covers the entirety of Marvel US and UK, plus the Dreamwave era and the current IDW universe.

all in one book?

Um, no. I'm not even sure if that would be physically feasible.

It's all of Marvel US/UK, Dreamwave and IDW split across 60 fortnightly issues.

Windsweeper wrote:Dammit I may have to pick this up if only for the recoloured Marvel stories.

And yay Dreamwave who brought back Transformers comics to us before IDW started churning crap out like Angry Birds, Gi Joe crossover and Barber's garbage.

Enough of this, thank you.

It's an interesting subscription. I have no doubt that it will eventually be available in the US an other countries.

Here in Australia, I expect the issue price to be about AU$20.
looking at their display of the spine artwork I counted 74 spines which means their initial plan of 60 issues is BS.

Given I have most of the IDW Generations collections, I hardly see the point for the little extra included. the total cost for us here is looking like being $1480, which is a lot of transformers worth of money.

It is very nicely presented however.

thanks for the info! great to know.. so the Uk comics are chronological but all just received in a varied order. I can live with that!

kriksix wrote:thanks for the info! great to know.. so the Uk comics are chronological but all just received in a varied order. I can live with that!

Yes, the spine art follows the chronological reading order, but the books will be received mixed up to vary it uo a little. Not sure what I think of the strategy, but there ya go.

I received my first delivery yesterday morning, so I've decided to pen a little review for you lucky people.

I'll start off by saying that I've bought the full subscription, with the intention of continuing to see this through right to the very end. I currently have a DeAgostini 'Build the Millennium Falcon' subscription that'll be finishing up in December, and this is half the price of that, so it'll fill that gap quite nicely. This means I'm entitled to get the 5 free subscription gifts and Issue #3 free. I started my subscription with Issue #1 so I'll be receiving the first of the free subscription gifts with my second delivery.



The contents of my box is follows:
1 copy of volume 6 - Target 2006 (Marvel UK)
1 copy of volume 36 - Stormbringer (IDW)
1 leaflet

I was surprised immediately as I was expecting to get both a book and a magazine for each issue. The book being purely the comics and an accompanying magazine for each with all the features mentioned in the ad. In actual fact these features are all contained within the volumes themselves. I'm a little bit mixed in my feelings on this having them interspersed with the story is a little invasive, but not so invasive that they're placed in the middle of the stories. It also helps that the features are usually tied directly to the main stories as well, so rather than digging out the magazine and then matching volume it's all in the one place. I do feel that the books would benefit from a contents page, however, as it's difficult to find where specific issues and features are within the books, but seeing as this would've required printing numbers on the pages I can see why they avoided this.

The leaflet details much the same as what was on the website but with a nice little added bonus which I was not expecting: it folds out into a massive poster of some beautiful painted '84 G1 promo art. The artwork in question is a really interesting and curious piece as it features Bluestreak and the Constructicons in their Diaclone colours along with a neat little cameo by a police decco Lamborghini which I assume must be Clamp Down? He's missing the super-charger engine to be Police-Streaker. At any rate, this picture is a relic in itself of a time very early in the brand's history; before the character models and toy colours were finalised. I'm going to have a real hard time finding a frame big enough for this bad-boy but it is definitely going up on the wall.





Onto the books themselves. I'm immediately impressed by the size of them. They're large, thick hardback volumes much bigger than the glossy, floppy collected edition volumes I'm currently used to collecting. The paper inside is of a nice thick matte finish stock which has sort of a waxed paper feel to it. The construction of them is definitely of a level of quality that exceeds expectations. This, for me, instantly justifies the price of admission as it works out at about £10 each, free delivery, for each of these fortnightly... So £20 a month if you're paying by direct-debit.




The cover art is a little plain, but it's uniform across the volumes, featuring one character prominently with a faded out image below the title featuring art from the pages of the comics within that particular volume. It definitely helps to tie the volumes together as one coherent set. The wide spines also help deliver the large mural-style artwork shown a bit more coherently as well.

It's important to mention a particular detail of the spines at this point: the numbering system. You won't get Volume 1 first, the books are arranged in order of original printing. That means getting 'Target 2006' and 'Stormbringer' for the sake of story and era diversity across the collection; which gives us Volume 6 & 36 respectively. It also means if you're in it for the long run you won't see the spine art slowly printed sideways across your shelves, rather, it'll appear in slivers and slowly fill out over the course of 120 weeks.



Moving on to the content: The quality of printing in the books is flawless. I'd wondered if they'd attempt to create a stepped colour print, giving that sort of misaligned layers feel that the colours of the original comics might have had in hand, but no such nostalgia bombs here; everything is clean and crisp. Incredibly we not only get the full story advertised on the cover but we also get bonus issues in the mix. 'Target 2006' contains the original Marvel UK #78-88 run of that story-line as well as including Marvel US #21-23. We even get a few of the non-story pages from the original comics, for example 2 full page biographies on Ultra Magnus and Galvatron. 'Stormbringer' collects that miniseries, along with the Spotlight issues for Soundwave, Shockwave, Hot Rod and Nightbeat. This starts to explain a little bit of the thickness.




I must mention that also included are newly coloured stories which have only ever been printed in black & white before, only, I'm not quite up to scratch with my education in the Marvel comics, so I couldn't tell you which ones these are. I would have thought they'd stick out like a sore thumb but either there are none in these 2 volumes or every effort has been taken by the colourist to make sure that the new inks match the style and tones of the original colourists.

As for original features Vol. 6 Gives us an introduction with a little information about the goings on behind the scenes at Marvel UK at time of original print and a cover gallery of all the issues contained within. Then we get a few pages of editorial on Transformers the Movie which actually includes a review written by Grimlock from when he was still running Grim Grams back in the day. We also get a few brief character profiles of the full original wreckers line-up and finish up with another 3 pages on the history of Marvel UK and a short spotlight on Marvel UK artist Geoff Senior.




Vol. 36 has an introduction written by Simon Furman, an editorial on the creation of the IDW universe, then a whole lot of pages from inside the sketchbook of Don Figueroa showcasing character models and alt modes he designed for the early IDW run.

There's a lot here. A whole bunch. In terms of what you're getting for your money these volumes are above and beyond value and I heartily endorse it to anyone who's on the shelf to at least give the first issue a shot at the trial price.

Final Score:
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I cannot begin to describe how irritated I am that thus is UK exclusive.

They've made the same mistake on the bios that they've made on the website!

Jazz's bio has a picture of Prowl. Hopefully this isn't indicative of the quality control throughout.

Mine hasn't arrived yet. Maybe they do Scotland later than England?

It is available in a few different areas - with oversea details on the inner page. But not covering US. But you don't get the cardboard backing.

OMG I really wish they would release this in the US, I have been wanting something like this for a long time.

Edited my review, because it still contained typos, grammatical errors and gratuitous mis-use of commas as pauses. It's still grammatically awful, but at least I'll be able to live with it now.

I care about these things.

Good spot on the Prowl photo where it says Jazz. I completely overlooked this one. In all honesty I didn't even read through the leaflet, because it just looked lifted 100% from the website, even in terms of page layout.

Arrived just under an hour ago.
Been reading through Stormbringer and it's really wonderful. I haven't much to say yet - only read through Stormbringer 1 and the preceding spotlights - but I've gotta say I was pleasantly surprised with the hardcover; wasn't expecting that. It's just so beautiful and gives this sort of... premium feel.

Kurona wrote:Arrived just under an hour ago.
Been reading through Stormbringer and it's really wonderful. I haven't much to say yet - only read through Stormbringer 1 and the preceding spotlights - but I've gotta say I was pleasantly surprised with the hardcover; wasn't expecting that. It's just so beautiful and gives this sort of... premium feel.

Same here, the size and weight of it in hand was really a pleasant surprise.

Fellow Seibertronian MemphisR56, who provided us with an excellent review of the Hachette Definitive G1 Comics Collection, has some odd and disappointing news from the subscription service, which we're reporting in full below. The message accompanies the second delivery of the subscription service, and seems to claim that the project is currently on hold, though not definitely cancelled - but still, this seems to go against what we had known from the initial news of the run. Read along, and let us know what you think in the Energon Pub.

The smaller than expected box came with no free gifts, just 2 issues,
A note was enclosed, here's a write-up, verbatim:

"Dear Subscriber,

Thankyou for subscribing to Transformers the Definitive G1 Collection.

The limited four-issue run has now come to an end, and we will be looking at the level of interest before making a decision about whether the collection will be launched nationally in the near future.

We would like to thank you for supporting Transformers the Definitive G1 Collection limited run. Your account has not been charged and we are enclosing some additional issues for you free of charge.

We hope that this is to your satisfaction and please look out for exciting titles coming soon from Hachette Partworks.

Kind Regards
Hachette Partworks Ltd."

Very saddening. At no point during the run was it implied this would be a limited run to gauge interest so I can only surmise that there weren't enough subscriptions or sales on the first 2 issues for it to be a financially viable project and they've dropped it. But then again, you never know, right? Sometimes these partworks companies will rework the product and bring it out better than before for a second try.

I really wanted that coffee mug. : /

Was wondering why I wasn't getting any more issues... that's a shame.

There was an extra note in the inside cover of one of my volumes saying the same thing but offering a "free gift" for subscribing as a thank you if you sent in your proof of purchase.
Maybe that's the subscriber gifts?

I'd kept my issues sealed so I hadn't noticed, but sure enough, it was inside the cover of Vol. 18.

"Dear Reader,

Thankyou for purchasing transformers the definitive g1 collections.

This limited four-issue run has now come to an end and we will be looking at the level of interest before making a decision about whether the collection will be launched nationally in the near future.

As a thankyou for supporting the transformers definitive g1 collection limited run, we would like to offer you a free gift. To recieve this free gift, simply send proof of purchase of the issues to the address below. Please remember to include your name and address.

Transformers collection
PO BOX 77
Jarrow
NE32 3BR

We hope that this is to your satisfaction and please look out for exciting titles coming soon from hachette partworks.

Yours faithfully,

Hachette Partworks

Alternatively,if you wish, we can offer you a refund on the issues you have purchased. Simply send proof if purchase to the address above. The above information relates to the UK only."

Well, i'm gonna be turning the house upside down looking for my reciepts : /. Wonder if they'll accept a printout of my confirmation emails. Good thing I kept them.

Well, I'm rather miffed! I've never even seen the first volume - chased them up a couple of times, and was told most recently that I'd not received anything as they'd run out of stock. I'd hoped that at least meant that the full run would be viable, as it is looks like I'll get nothing.

First time posting as I thought I'd share my experience with a previous Hachette series.
A few years ago Hachette released a few issues of Marvels Mightiest Heroes and then stopped. I looked everywhere to get more than the single issue I had. Then, a year or so later the series began again, with the same issues and cover art, but with DIFFERENT spine art.

I think these initial issues are actually testing the water, so maybe expect the full series in a year? The downside is if anyone has already got the first four issues and they want the complete spine art, then chances are they'll have to rebuy them.

Ah - After I posted on here earlier I emailed them to ask what's happening. They've said that they will send me the four issues that have already been sent out - when they launch nationally! So hopefully this is still happening. No more info than that though.

when did the collection start? becuase ive not seen a single issue in WHSmiths or outher newsagents at all.

I think it was some kind of pilot scheme, so would have only been in a select few places, as well as the online site.

DR0hNO wrote:when did the collection start? becuase ive not seen a single issue in WHSmiths or outher newsagents at all.

I know fromthe the deagostini sets that sometimes they reease test runs only to certain parts of thethe country. Maybe this is just that, orso it's only been releasedrelease as an online subscription so far.

Did anyone find issue 1 at least at brick and mortar?

Didn't even know this had started. Hadn't seen any issues.

Glad I couldn't subscribe I be ticked find this out those people better get refund or keep making new books

dragons wrote:Glad I couldn't subscribe I be ticked find this out those people better get refund or keep making new books

It said that we wouldn't be getting charged and that they may be making more books in the future.

As someone who subscribed to it I'm not really mad about it. It's disappointing to be sure but if they couldn't do it for some reason, they couldn't do it. And hey, one less expense to pay; and I STILL got a few Transformers stories collected for a very low price even if it's a fraction of what I expected to eventually get. If you signed up for it, this is disappointing, but it's not like you got nothing out of it.

Someone stated Previews had listed it up for Jan 2017 - I can't find it so if anyone has checked the Preview Nov 2016 for Jan 2017 listed items?

Okay, this changes nothing.

Partworks such as this ALWAYS begin with a four-issue trial in a limited area. This was not sold nationwide in stores, only in a small test area (Rochdale/Manchester, if I recall correctly).

Other Hachette titles went exactly the same way. Initial test run to gauge interest, followed by a full run if successful. Their Doctor Who book series did the same thing, as did their Judge Dredd partwork. Both ended up going national.

Another thing to bear in mind is that partworks (usually) tend to be launched in the New Year. It's absolutely no surprise to see that this will go national in January (the inital clutch of four issues released during the test run will be re-printed - with mistakes corrected - when it gets launched properly).

I realise this is a North American site, and the whole UK partwork thing might be a little bit confusing for some, but as an avid partwork nut I just thought I'd come in here and calm things down.

I would certainly advise that the front-page news article be toned down a little, to be less alarmist.

To reiterate: this is par for the course with partworks in the UK. That type of 'this is only a trial' letter is industry-standard. Every book of this sort begins with a four-issue trial before going national.

starfish wrote:Okay, this changes nothing.

Partworks such as this ALWAYS begin with a four-issue trial in a limited area. This was not sold nationwide in stores, only in a small test area (Rochdale/Manchester, if I recall correctly).

Other Hachette titles went exactly the same way. Initial test run to gauge interest, followed by a full run if successful. Their Doctor Who book series did the same thing, as did their Judge Dredd partwork. Both ended up going national.

Another thing to bear in mind is that partworks (usually) tend to be launched in the New Year. It's absolutely no surprise to see that this will go national in January (the inital clutch of four issues released during the test run will be re-printed - with mistakes corrected - when it gets launched properly).

I realise this is a North American site, and the whole UK partwork thing might be a little bit confusing for some, but as an avid partwork nut I just thought I'd come in here and calm things down.

I would certainly advise that the front-page news article be toned down a little, to be less alarmist.

To reiterate: this is par for the course with partworks in the UK. That type of 'this is only a trial' letter is industry-standard. Every book of this sort begins with a four-issue trial before going national.

Sure, and thanks for the clarification!

However, there was no indication that any of this was the case when all previous news was given to us/was found by us, so we reported it as subscribers (all UK based) sent in their version of things.

I got the same letter and another one pretty much the same but with all references to TF changed to 'Disney Tsum Tsum Migurumi Collection'. I've no idea what that is but it backs up this being a standard thing.

Dr Va'al wrote:Sure, and thanks for the clarification! :D

However, there was no indication that any of this was the case when all previous news was given to us/was found by us, so we reported it as subscribers (all UK based) sent in their version of things.

Hi, cheers for the smiley face (reading that last post back, it does come across a little patronising / mansplaining, glad you took it in good heart!)

It seems this whole thing is a little confusing to some (especially those who've never done partworks before), and I thought I might help by clarifying. It's not helped by Hachette's sightly ropey record at responding to emails etc.

If this follows the usual procedure, the following will happen:

1) Not all those who subscribed would have been sent copies of the trial issues (I got none of them!) This is due to the lower-than-usual print run of the test issues.

2) However, anyone who signed up and got no issues at all will likely receive a free copy of a single test issue thanking them for their interest.

3) Most people who registered will get a customer feedback survey to fill in (if this hasn't been done already).

4) Assuming the trial has gone well, the national roll-out will happen in the new year. The series will start again from scratch (as if the trial never happened) and start afresh from the Target:2006 issue.

[To reiterate, the UK partwork market is able to sustain a veritable smorgasbord of titles on the shelves, with subjects as varied as knitting, Warhammer, Zippo lighters and entomology. If something like "The Art of Quilting" can get greenlit, then anything can!!!]

5) There may be some TV advertising to market the new book, and subscription copies will start rolling out. There may well be changes to the books from the trial run, as stuff gets corrected, ironed-out, and feedback is taken into consideration.

6) Most regular High Street newsagents and magazine sellers will only stock the first ten-or-so issues before dropping the book. THIS IS NORMAL. The way these work is to get people hooked by giving early issues some in-store prominence, getting people to sign up to the subscription. Once enough people are signed on, these will slowly fade from view, only available to subscribers, the official Hachette online store, and in specialist comic retailers such as Forbidden Planet. I would advise anyone interested in this set not to rely on finding these at retail, and subscribe via the official route (or perhaps place a standing order at your newsagent, and get them to order it in for you).

7) One of the benefits of subscribing is that the price is locked in. Partworks generally go up in price as the run goes on, so if you go via Hachette you'll be safe from such increases. Although the books will be published fortnightly, you'll get them in batches of two issues, every four weeks.

8) The shipments will be randomly staggered, so don't worry if you don't receive your issues the same time as everyone else. Example:

Week 1: Half of all subscribers (the 'fast lane') will get their copies of the first 2 issues.
Week 3: The remainder of subscribers (the 'slow lane') get their copies.
Week 5: The 'fast lane' get issues 3 and 4
Week 7: The 'slow lane' get issues 3 and 4

So although everyone will get all the issues eventually, you might randomly get stuck in the 'slow lane' service and get your issues two weeks after some of your friends. Again, this is totally normal and is how these things are usually shipped. Be prepared to deal with it, or don't subscribe.

9) Be very prepared for the possibility that this will get extended beyond the initial run. Very rarely do partworks stop at the originally-intended end date. The Doctor Who Figurine Collection (for example) has had more than double the originally-intended issue count, and is still going.

You are of course able to cancel your subscription at any time, but OCD completists should know going in that this probably won't stop at the G1 stuff, and we may well end up getting the Beast Wars, Movieverse, Armada stuff (etc.) tacked on to the end, as ways are found to fleece the fans extend the series.

Sometimes these 'extensions' can lead to a bit of online rage, such as "I only signed up for 40 issues, but by extending the series my OCD nature means I can't possibly cancel. My completist nature is being taken advantage of! I'm being fleeced!" (This actually happens).

10) That's all I can think of at the moment. Hope that's been helpful and not at all condescending like my previous post was. I currently subscribe to three ongoing partworks, and have had experience with another half-dozen more - not just from Hachette but also the likes of Eaglemoss and (back in the day) Marshall-Cavendish.

That is really interesting, and enlightening - so thank you! And I mean every smiley face I use (I didn't think you were being condescending, for the record).

Which brings me to this one:

How does such a scheme actually run for so long, and people still signing up for it? But, more to the point with this thread: will there be more of the TF material that people were seriously enjoying?

Dr Va'al wrote:That is really interesting, and enlightening - so thank you! And I mean every smiley face I use (I didn't think you were being condescending, for the record).

Which brings me to this one:

How does such a scheme actually run for so long, and people still signing up for it? But, more to the point with this thread: will there be more of the TF material that people were seriously enjoying?

The usual sales model assumes that there will be a glut of initial subscribers, and takes into account that readership will inevitably fall away as the run goes on.

The pricing reflects that model: I would say the price per issue is rather high for what you get, but it does help subsidise the later issues where readership will inevitably be lower. Also, as I said, the cover price will inevitably increase by £1-2 over the course of the run which will also help offset the natural slow reduction in readership.

By catering to niche/sci-fi/'geek' fans (who are inevitably more OCD than regular people), they figure most readers will probably stay the course. You always see partworks based on genre stuff such as Star Wars or model steam locomotives, but never on anything a bit more mainstream. There's a Classic Jazz music partwork where every issue comes with an actual vinyl album, but there's no way you'd ever see a pop music partwork packaged with a CD album on the cover - their business model relies on their readers being hardcore fans rather than middle-of-the-road punters. The spine picture (which builds up like a jigsaw as the collection grows) is another clever piece of marketing in this regard.

Another well-used tactic is to delay the 'big hitter' stories until later in the run, to act as a disincentive to stop subscribing. Get people engaged by offering up Target: 2006 and Edge of Extinction very early on, but hold other biggies such as (say) LSOTW or maybe the out-of-print Dreamwave stuff until the very end. As an example, it took 76 issues for the Doctor Who Figurine Collection to get around to doing a figure of all 14 Doctors, meaning that anyone just collecting for the various incarnations of the main character had to stay the course for over three years.

As for the stories themselves, I can't really comment as to what other people enjoy, but this series does promise to reprint all the G1 stories (Marvel, Dreamwave and IDW) in their proper reading order (for the first time, slotting the UK stories in context within the US stories that surround them), with 'liner notes' and with an attractive design. My main reason for subscribing is the promise that the old black-and-white UK stories (including classics like Raiders of the Last Ark and Flashback) will be presented in full colour for the first time ever (thanks to John Paul Bove).

I realise most people will already have a lot of this stuff in various other collections, and it may well be hard to convince people to re-buy all this again. But for the seasoned fan who wants a new presentation of classic stories, or the relative novice collecting these for the first time, I'd say there's enough here to satisfy both ends of the spectrum to various degrees.

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