Transformers Studio Series 86 Scourge, Kup, Grimlock and Blurr Revealed along with Devastator Boxset

sol magnus wrote:Grimlock and Scourge are already sold out, and I can't even find RotJ Boba Fett.

I got all the SS 86 figures on Amazon

Really like lots of these figures - that will be my definitive hotrod for example.

Only figure I'm a bit disappointed in is blurry and his giant arm sleeves.

Also not feeling hot rod as a voyager - maybe they need a new designation like deluxe+.

I also hope that if they do a rodimus figure it's not going to incorporate this toy and we end up buying the same figure twice. If they are indeed going for an all out homage, would make sense that they don't bother with the hot rod figure like the POTP and go for an update of the original toy, with the winnebago opening up into a "weapons platform", which would make sense with them making many figures able to connect. And I reckon that platform was the most fun bit for me as kid cos the figure was bonkers crap.

Sabrblade wrote:

Mechastrike wrote:does Scourge head pop out when in alt-mode?

Nope. A little door/panel opens up to reveal it in vehicle mode instead.

Just like the G1 toy.
It is a bit of a shame, since Generations Scourge had it on an extension strut IIRC and with Titans Return you could plug his head into the altmode's aftcastle.

Definitely getting Scourge, Grimlock, and Kup (if I was able to get a TR Kup with rounded limbs without buying the Legends version I'd be less eager to get hold of him, but I still like him). I want to like Hot Rod, but the faux-parts chest really bugs me... Blurr is a lowe-priority maybe. Don't get me wrong, I think he's good (and the lankiness works with him being a swift runner), but with my having a repainted Titans Return Blurr it's kinda a lateral move. Plus TR Blurr has wrist rotation.

Well at least we know why Blurr wasnt in WFC, no shield lol

Happy enough with Takara Legends so it is great to be able to save some money.

I might wait on Grimlock until seeing the other dinobots, if it ever becomes too hard or pricey to get I'm happy using MP grimlock alongside WFC toys.

Remember- this thread is for non-ss86 releases like the recently announced Devastator giftset

I really wish Devastator had more paint apps, would have justified me getting a 2nd version. But as is, I am super happy with the one I built over the course of almost 2 years

sol magnus wrote:Grimlock and Scourge are already sold out, and I can't even find RotJ Boba Fett.

Couldn't find Fett either, had to PO from BBTS

ZeroWolf wrote:Remember- this thread is for non-ss86 releases like the recently announced Devastator giftset

links needed to be sorted out or just a united studio series thread again cause it looks like the news replys are ending up in the wrong threads?

Will put it all in one newspost and defaulted to linking here.

Maybe both threads should be locked entirely until the staff all get on the same page.

grimlock really looks heavily inspired by his mp version.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:I really wish Devastator had more paint apps, would have justified me getting a 2nd version. But as is, I am super happy with the one I built over the course of almost 2 years

he does look to have more/better paint apps then the single release guys, but not enough to make me get him over what I already have. assuming i can finally get an overload at retail

Taken from the main Studio Series thread:

blackeyedprime wrote:Well at least we know why Blurr wasnt in WFC, no shield lol

I wouldn't be so sure about that. If the windshield on his chest is the same as in altmode, I think he has to have a shield (even if he's not seen holding it).
...and he has no ports to arm mount it. IMO that nudges him towards being inferior to TR/Legends Blurr.

Immortal Starscream wrote:grimlock really looks heavily inspired by his mp version.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:I really wish Devastator had more paint apps, would have justified me getting a 2nd version. But as is, I am super happy with the one I built over the course of almost 2 years

he does look to have more/better paint apps then the single release guys, but not enough to make me get him over what I already have. assuming i can finally get an overload at retail

I was hoping for alternate paint schemes, like maybe a white Scavenger AKA Demolishor, a yellow Long Haul (Payload), etc. would have been cool

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Will put it all in one newspost and defaulted to linking here.

Maybe both threads should be locked entirely until the staff all get on the same page.

Threads are merged together again, aint got no time to deal with the minutia especially when the news is still combined for both fronts, and I don't want my newstaff losing time making sure things are in the right thread rather than newsing. So let's all learn to get along with with the various studio series toys.

The sad thing is, it isnt oh its the twentieth version of X character i may or may not have so I can stop collecting now -it's a voyager that would be overpriced at £24 in WFC is now going to cost me £32 because it is Studio Series. Generations will end my Generations of colllecting

william-james88 wrote:This made me laugh real hard

I actually made my own meme for the event xD


(Yes, Devy technically wasn't revealed before, but we've known about it and had pictures for a long time now)

EvasionModeBumblebee wrote:I actually made my own meme for the event xD

Matrix meme.jpg

(Yes, Devy technically wasn't revealed before, but we've known about it and had pictures for a long time now)

I like this one better, it's much more accurate.

When they said 14 and then did the breakdown the way they did, I was ready to throw stuff at them.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

EvasionModeBumblebee wrote:I actually made my own meme for the event xD

Matrix meme.jpg

(Yes, Devy technically wasn't revealed before, but we've known about it and had pictures for a long time now)

I like this one better, it's much more accurate.

When they said 14 and then did the breakdown the way they did, I was ready to throw stuff at them.

After the SS86 reveals I was like "oh, ok, so there'll be an 86 wave and a Bayverse wave" which sounded great. And then the headmasters showed up and my hopes and dreams disintegrated much like the Matrix.

EvasionModeBumblebee wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

EvasionModeBumblebee wrote:I actually made my own meme for the event xD

Matrix meme.jpg

(Yes, Devy technically wasn't revealed before, but we've known about it and had pictures for a long time now)

I like this one better, it's much more accurate.

When they said 14 and then did the breakdown the way they did, I was ready to throw stuff at them.

After the SS86 reveals I was like "oh, ok, so there'll be an 86 wave and a Bayverse wave" which sounded great. And then the headmasters showed up and my hopes and dreams disintegrated much like the Matrix.

Mine did too. I wonder if they will actually do a wave with the 86 bots mixed into bayverse stuff, or if we can expect a wave 2 of 86 bots and then we only get 1 wave of live action bots, or even if they do 3 waves of 86 and live action sits out a year.

I got so depressed as I wrote that.

william-james88 wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Will put it all in one newspost and defaulted to linking here.

Maybe both threads should be locked entirely until the staff all get on the same page.

Threads are merged together again, aint got no time to deal with the minutia especially when the news is still combined for both fronts, and I don't want my newstaff losing time making sure things are in the right thread rather than newsing. So let's all learn to get along with with the various studio series toys.

Wait, can we go back please? SS-86 kinda is its' own thing - it's separated into waves by itself and has its own numbering system. I would understand mixing them if the two were mixed in waves, but they seem to be fairly separate.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Mine did too. I wonder if they will actually do a wave with the 86 bots mixed into bayverse stuff, or if we can expect a wave 2 of 86 bots and then we only get 1 wave of live action bots, or even if they do 3 waves of 86 and live action sits out a year.

I got so depressed as I wrote that.

Well, the thing is we have the listings for new Bayverse SS (ROTF Bee, Jolt, Dino, Grindor, etc.), and I don't think we'd get those listings over a year before the figures came out. My expectations get lower with each passing month, but maybe we'll alternate 86 and Bayverse waves this year?

D-Max, we both know the answer to that...wait until 2022.

I'd say they did a pretty good job with Scourge's wings. It isn't easy to adapt those into toy form...

Now, if it had been the Titans Return reissues we actually NEED (Sky Shadow, Windblade, Misfire, Slugslinger, Topspin, and Twin Twist)...

I kinda liked the clarity of the SS86 toys having their own thread (and they've got their own separate numbering and all), but eh.

Still holding out hopes that once SS86 has had its day and given us what it needs to, we get DotM Devcon.

Mannnn oh man, these are all such a mixed bag for me. The first part of me flinched a little when i saw that Grimlock (who I've been desperately waiting and hoping to see since WFC started), there's just some off putting things about him. The light colors and pale grey paint they used, the lack of any sword at all (again, jeez), and a T-rex tail that still looks like a freaking wrecking ball of a hammer. I really wish they would have prioritized his iconic sword over a non transforming wheelie and perhaps just given wheelie to us as a transforming core class figure in Kingdom (or not at all, I don't personally care for wheelie lol).
And call me rude but that Jazz just looks like a clunky cyberverse kids focused toy. something about his whole figure looks so goofy. And while blurr and Kup look very accurate to the OG movie, sometimes I wonder how much accuracy is too much accuracy. That's why I've loved WFC, because it's given us some classic characters with a modern twist where it needs it. Some of these figures just look like 3d versions of their 80s animation models, and everyone can admit that those looked pretty goofy sometimes, especially for today.
But the more i look at some of these, the more I see things on the bright side. Grimlock does looks very solidly built dispite being a pretty massive figure, im grateful they didn't sacrifice hollow parts for size. And admittedly the wheelie figure does look fun. And the conversions on all these figures look really unique and fun, unlike the frequent rehashing we got throughout most of the PWT.
All in all, while i really wish they could've given Grimlock a darker, more war-torn paint job, his panel detailing is great and the sculpt is overall solid. And he's big, thank goodness. And if they decide to give us voyagers and leaders of the rest of the dinobots, my remaining complaints about Grimlock will disappear lol. I'm kind of going through the same emotional justification to try and like these as I had to do when they revealed Earthrise, and I did in fact end up loving everything earthrise has offered, so im hoping the same good thing will happen here. We'll see in time, I guess.
That's my rant of the year lol.

The issue about Grimlocks sword is this: he never used it in the movie, and I'm struggling to remember how many times he used it in the series.

ZeroWolf wrote:The issue about Grimlocks sword is this: he never used it in the movie, and I'm struggling to remember how many times he used it in the series.

Grimlock used his sword in the cartoon?

If so I don't even remember, I just remember him using that multi-barreled gun and sometimes laser fists.

ZeroWolf wrote:The issue about Grimlocks sword is this: he never used it in the movie, and I'm struggling to remember how many times he used it in the series.

Someone tweeted about this this week: Grimlock never used his sword in the cartoon or the movie. He used A sword ONCE, but it was just a generic metal colored sword.

ZeroWolf wrote:The issue about Grimlocks sword is this: he never used it in the movie, and I'm struggling to remember how many times he used it in the series.

All of once, in "Madman's Paradise", where he swatted aside boulders with it. Like Snarl's sword, it was colored as shining silver (as per his packaging art, the commercials, and the Diaclone toy).

The sword would be nice to have, don't get me wrong, but I understand us not getting it with him; most of his mass allowance went to his actual body, and some of what was left got used up on the Wheelie minifigure (Whether that's a worthwhile trade is debatable).

I wonder if a Leader Swoop would have the spare mass for other Dinobots' accessories.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:The issue about Grimlocks sword is this: he never used it in the movie, and I'm struggling to remember how many times he used it in the series.

Someone tweeted about this this week: Grimlock never used his sword in the cartoon or the movie. He used A sword ONCE, but it was just a generic metal colored sword.

Pretty sure it was meant to be his sword (it's missing a lot of the detail aside from the square crossguard, but that's Season 3's animation quality for you, and the Marvel comics were often as bad). And the metal color jibes with his packaging art as well as the commercials. Snarl's sword is also metal colored in the cartoon.

Well in that case, isn't this Grimlock the most animation accurate yet then without his sword isn't that what people wanted?

Like Kup, something is just off about Blurr. Maybe it's the size of the arm kibble. Maybe it's his huge chin. Maybe it's his skinny legs. Maybe it's how his chest looks fake but actually isn't. Maybe it's all of them at once. His deco is great, but even so I don't see this as an improvement over TR Blurr.

I'm actually pleasantly surprised by Grimlock's robot mode, it's bulky and well-detailed, and it has clear plastic on the chest. If his chest were gold and not bright yellow, he'd look really nice. But then the dino mode reminded me why I've never really liked G1 Grimlock's design, because nothing strikes fear into the sparks of Decepticons like a robot Barney. Wheelie's just lame, not gonna lie. The rest of the Dinobots will probably determine whether I want Grimlock.


So has SS86 been confirmed to be part of regular SS and not a subline, and this is the next wave of SS?

It is both part of Studio Series...and not, as it has it's own number system. So yeah its a bit weird

Tuned Agent wrote:But then the dino mode reminded me why I've never really liked G1 Grimlock's design, because nothing strikes fear into the sparks of Decepticons like a robot Barney.

There's nothing "Robot Barney" about Grimlock's dino mode Nothing plush, huggable, or anthropomorphized. The only impediment to it looking threatening here is the headsculpt seeming to lean too close to the cartoon's stylized squaring of his upper snout.

G1 toy head for comparison.

But even with that, the teeth and his hulking size still make him imposing.

Tuned Agent wrote:Wheelie's just lame, not gonna lie.

Yeah, I would rather have had another accessory instead of the Wheelie mini-figure.

I'm fairly certain that Grimlock used his sword often during the series, I remember seeing it more than his rifle. I'm calling it now, Daniel is going to be a retool of Whelie

chuckdawg1999 wrote:I'm fairly certain that Grimlock used his sword often during the series, I remember seeing it more than his rifle. I'm calling it now, Daniel is going to be a retool of Whelie

Especially Daniel in his Exo suit.

chuckdawg1999 wrote:I'm fairly certain that Grimlock used his sword often during the series, I remember seeing it more than his rifle. I'm calling it now, Daniel is going to be a retool of Whelie

I think the deal was he never used the sword in the 86 movie, just the rifle, so this figure only has the rifle. (forgive me if someone already said that on this thread)

Would've been nice for Grimlock to have a sword, but it makes a lot more sense to come with Wheelie considering the movie. Its also possible they'll have Swoop at a voyager size but leader class price point and give him accessories for other dinobots.

Either way I'll probably stick with my MP Grimlock and just get the other 4 SS dinobots

Question, for those complaining about the 86 line, will you feel the same way if the next subline is based on the Beast Wars movie(s)?

chuckdawg1999 wrote:I'm fairly certain that Grimlock used his sword often during the series, I remember seeing it more than his rifle. I'm calling it now, Daniel is going to be a retool of Whelie

You're getting him mixed up with Snarl, who only ever used his sword in the cartoon (albeit to shoot lasers from the tip).

chuckdawg1999 wrote:Question, for those complaining about the 86 line, will you feel the same way if the next subline is based on the Beast Wars movie(s)?

If they are Live action movies, I will not complain. My biggest complaint is that G1 cartoon style is in every TF line now. I just want some love for my favorite part of TF, the 5 movies.

chuckdawg1999 wrote:I'm fairly certain that Grimlock used his sword often during the series, I remember seeing it more than his rifle. I'm calling it now, Daniel is going to be a retool of Whelie

In that case, your memory is playing tricks you.

So Grimlock. Yes. Will buy. It's not hard to sell me on a Grimlock, he's my favorite Autobot. Looking forward to the rest of the dinobots (hopefully). Although I do prefer Grimlock having red eyes, I understand that's not cartoon or movie accurate so I'm willing to look past it. Also would have rather he come with his sword rather than a non-transforming Wheelie, but once again I understand this is based on the movie and he didn't use it in the movie (or evidently the cartoon for that matter) and all that.
Blurr...yeesh. I'm probably going to pass and keep using TR Blurr as my Blurr. I think it's the arm kibble and head sculpt that really bug me.
Still plan on getting Kup, Scourge and Hot Rod.
I'm not too thrilled about how Jazz came out, but I'll probably get him to take my POTP Jazz's place.

Preordered all of the ‘86 guys. Blurr is what I wanted in a Generations Blurr for a long while, Titans Return was close but the Headmaster gimmick and colors ruined it for me. Grimlock looks good in spite of no sword (yeah yeah, he didn’t have one besides one frame in the cartoon, whatever), but Wheelie is automatically lame for having limited posability and not transforming. The saving grace for him is if his slingshot is removable and is 5mm compatible.

Devastator is nice for those who missed out on getting all of the Constructicons, but a punch to the nethers to those who don’t have a complete Devastator yet, particularly the ones that command higher prices for some odd reason. The backdrop is nice though, that would probably be the one thing from it I wish I had.

Razorbeast88 wrote:Honestly what the heck happened with SS Blurr's forearms? They look terrible

They do and I'm trying to understand what went so wrong when TR Blurr has basically the same transformation but doesn't look like an eye sore.

Sabrblade wrote:Two guesses as to why Jazz has a 14 on his doors instead of a 4.

The more pleasant guess: G1 Jazz had a 4 on his doors while G2 Jazz had a 1 on his, and so Hasbro just put those two numbers together for some reason.

The, uh, unpleasant guess: Another hidden message like with POTP Jazz (which I would very much want to NOT be the case).

He doesn't have a 4 to avoid the racecar licensing. The 14 is a reference to his diaclone number.

william-james88 wrote:

Razorbeast88 wrote:Honestly what the heck happened with SS Blurr's forearms? They look terrible

They do and I'm trying to understand what went so wrong when TR Blurr has basically the same transformation but doesn't look like an eye sore.

Evidently they wanted to completely cover the hands this time (which even the G1 toy doesn't do), while also avoiding the inversion of the arms that's part of the TR figure's transformation. And the result is that Blurr's underarm panels are reeeeally bulky.

They do and I'm trying to understand what went so wrong when TR Blurr has basically the same transformation but doesn't look like an eye sore.[/quote]

Agreed! I'm sure there couldve been a way to have the kibble wrap around or collapse better, seems like a step backwards from great figures in the WFC line and even what we've seen in some SS '86 figures already. I dont mind the minor issues like with jazz but those arms are a little excessive lol

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Razorbeast88 wrote:Honestly what the heck happened with SS Blurr's forearms? They look terrible

They do and I'm trying to understand what went so wrong when TR Blurr has basically the same transformation but doesn't look like an eye sore.

Evidently they wanted to completely cover the hands this time (which even the G1 toy doesn't do), while also avoiding the inversion of the arms that's part of the TR figure's transformation. And the result is that Blurr's underarm panels are reeeeally bulky.

Thats a shame, I honestly would've preferred hand visibility in vehicle mode over those veggie straws attached to his arms lol. I'm trying to make myself feel better by imagining him using them as batons/armor or having him flip them out in robot mode to use as clubs or something haha

Broke: redoing G1 Blur

Woke: A new version of Armada Blur.

They all look nice.
Edit:Grimlock in particular looks very cool.

Day 290 of waiting for Transformers Armada masterpiece news.

While i like the new detailings on Scrapper and Mixmaster, I think the dirt smudging on Long Haul is ugly. I was able to get all 8 Constructicons before this so theyre the ones ill be sticking with