Transformers ROTB Confirmed to Not be a Reboot by Lead Producer + Focus on Character Arcs
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Well, we had warned everyone thinking the Rise of the Beasts film was a full on reboot to temper their expectations since we never had a public confirmation using those words. After all, Hasbro and Paramount are not throwing out their Billion dollar universe away. However, the info we had provided was just an analysis on what was shown, not an actual confirmation, but we have one now, coming from the main producer of the movie no less.
In a lengthy interview with Collider, we see what the themes of the film are, which includes ethnic minorities facing adversity in the 90s and a character arc for Optimus Prime. And it's when discussing Optimus Prime's character arc that we get the confirmation (if anyone needed one):
"But what’s interesting is, and you will appreciate this as a fan, at the end of Bumblebee, Optimus comes to Earth. What he’s experienced is failure, probably for the first time in his life, right? He’s had to retreat, he’s leaving the planet Cybertron. What’s happened to him from that experience? When we meet him in 2007, he’s a particular person, if you would. In 1994, he’s not the same person. He still has growth to do between ‘94 and 2007. So the character arc for Optimus in this, and the fun for the audience is, when you first meet Optimus – and we’ve had this experience because we’ve watched it with audiences and we’ve heard them talk about it – they’re like, “It’s definitely Optimus, but there’s something a little different…” At first, they’re like, “Wait, what, who… what Optimus is this?” And by the end of the movie, Optimus has become the guy that you’ve recognized from the Bay movies. Emotional.”
And speaking of character arcs, here is what was said about the humans characters and their growth in the film:
"It’s hard to say that about Shia [LaBeouf] in the first movie; you know, he goes from being a young man, essentially, to a man, right? In this case, Anthony Ramos and Dominique [Fishback’s] characters are both characters who are trying to find their way in a life, and in a cultural society, that’s not making it the easiest for them. And so, the experience of the movie for those characters is to come to terms, not exactly about who they are, but how to move forward in their lives. It’s an interesting character arc for both of them where they fulfill, to a certain extent, the desire that they were having for themselves."
You can read the full interview between Collider and Lorenzo di Bonaventura here.
Also, in some serendipitous fate, a new poster was recently found for Rise of the Beasts, which references the first Bay film. Here it is below.
In a lengthy interview with Collider, we see what the themes of the film are, which includes ethnic minorities facing adversity in the 90s and a character arc for Optimus Prime. And it's when discussing Optimus Prime's character arc that we get the confirmation (if anyone needed one):
"But what’s interesting is, and you will appreciate this as a fan, at the end of Bumblebee, Optimus comes to Earth. What he’s experienced is failure, probably for the first time in his life, right? He’s had to retreat, he’s leaving the planet Cybertron. What’s happened to him from that experience? When we meet him in 2007, he’s a particular person, if you would. In 1994, he’s not the same person. He still has growth to do between ‘94 and 2007. So the character arc for Optimus in this, and the fun for the audience is, when you first meet Optimus – and we’ve had this experience because we’ve watched it with audiences and we’ve heard them talk about it – they’re like, “It’s definitely Optimus, but there’s something a little different…” At first, they’re like, “Wait, what, who… what Optimus is this?” And by the end of the movie, Optimus has become the guy that you’ve recognized from the Bay movies. Emotional.”
And speaking of character arcs, here is what was said about the humans characters and their growth in the film:
"It’s hard to say that about Shia [LaBeouf] in the first movie; you know, he goes from being a young man, essentially, to a man, right? In this case, Anthony Ramos and Dominique [Fishback’s] characters are both characters who are trying to find their way in a life, and in a cultural society, that’s not making it the easiest for them. And so, the experience of the movie for those characters is to come to terms, not exactly about who they are, but how to move forward in their lives. It’s an interesting character arc for both of them where they fulfill, to a certain extent, the desire that they were having for themselves."
You can read the full interview between Collider and Lorenzo di Bonaventura here.
Also, in some serendipitous fate, a new poster was recently found for Rise of the Beasts, which references the first Bay film. Here it is below.
Credit(s): Collider
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Re: Transformers ROTB Confirmed to Not be a Reboot by Lead Producer + Focus on Character Arcs (2160003)
Posted by Bounti76 on April 24th, 2023 @ 11:33pm CDT
Posted by Bounti76 on April 24th, 2023 @ 11:33pm CDT
Get diBonaventura and Bay to be mostly or completely hands-off Transformers movies, and they might be great. As is, my expectations for this movie just got lowered pretty hard.
Re: Transformers ROTB Confirmed to Not be a Reboot by Lead Producer + Focus on Character Arcs (2160004)
Posted by Silver Wind on April 25th, 2023 @ 12:19am CDT
Posted by Silver Wind on April 25th, 2023 @ 12:19am CDT
Disappointing news, but not surprising. (Pretty much sums up the development of RotB to be honest.)
Sorry-but-not-sorry...
"It’s hard to say that about Shia [LaBeouf] in the first movie; you know, he goes from being a young man, essentially, to a man, right? [...]"
Sorry-but-not-sorry...
Re: Transformers ROTB Confirmed to Not be a Reboot by Lead Producer + Focus on Character Arcs (2160005)
Posted by Ransom on April 25th, 2023 @ 2:38am CDT
Posted by Ransom on April 25th, 2023 @ 2:38am CDT
Well, that tanks it.
Re: Transformers ROTB Confirmed to Not be a Reboot by Lead Producer + Focus on Character Arcs (2160007)
Posted by Big Grim on April 25th, 2023 @ 4:19am CDT
Murderous?
Oh! EMOTIONAL! Right. Right.
Um, not seeing it Bud.
~ Grim
Posted by Big Grim on April 25th, 2023 @ 4:19am CDT
di Bonaventura wrote:"And by the end of the movie, Optimus has become the guy that you’ve recognized from the Bay movies.”
Murderous?
di Bonaventura wrote:"Emotional.”
Oh! EMOTIONAL! Right. Right.
william-james88 wrote:Also, in some serendipitous fate, a new poster was recently found for Rise of the Beasts, which references the first Bay film. Here is is below.
Um, not seeing it Bud.
~ Grim
Re: Transformers ROTB Confirmed to Not be a Reboot by Lead Producer + Focus on Character Arcs (2160008)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on April 25th, 2023 @ 4:32am CDT
Posted by -Kanrabat- on April 25th, 2023 @ 4:32am CDT
So, if that movie is not a reboot, does that means that we will get a TLK sequel at some point that would wrap all the loose ends?
Re: Transformers ROTB Confirmed to Not be a Reboot by Lead Producer + Focus on Character Arcs (2160009)
Posted by william-james88 on April 25th, 2023 @ 6:11am CDT
Thanks for the heads up, fixed it
Posted by william-james88 on April 25th, 2023 @ 6:11am CDT
Big Grim wrote:di Bonaventura wrote:"And by the end of the movie, Optimus has become the guy that you’ve recognized from the Bay movies.”
Murderous?di Bonaventura wrote:"Emotional.”
Oh! EMOTIONAL! Right. Right.william-james88 wrote:Also, in some serendipitous fate, a new poster was recently found for Rise of the Beasts, which references the first Bay film. Here is is below.
Um, not seeing it Bud.
~ Grim
Thanks for the heads up, fixed it
Re: Transformers ROTB Confirmed to Not be a Reboot by Lead Producer + Focus on Character Arcs (2160010)
Posted by EvasionModeBumblebee on April 25th, 2023 @ 6:35am CDT
Posted by EvasionModeBumblebee on April 25th, 2023 @ 6:35am CDT
I suspect that ROTB, like Bumblebee, will have references to the Bay movies (which we already see in some of the designs, Bee looks a bit more like his 07 design and Prime has swords similar to his Bayverse ones), but the movie doesn’t actually work with the Bayverse timeline. I’m curious if they’ll have the Autobots (minus Bee) leave Earth at the end of the movie since they need to be off-world by the start of 07.
The Bayverse references were some of the only bits I really enjoyed from BB (Simmons, scanning the Camaro), so I’d be glad if we saw some more of those!
The Bayverse references were some of the only bits I really enjoyed from BB (Simmons, scanning the Camaro), so I’d be glad if we saw some more of those!
Re: Transformers ROTB Confirmed to Not be a Reboot by Lead Producer + Focus on Character Arcs (2160011)
Posted by Dr. Caelus on April 25th, 2023 @ 7:08am CDT
Ugh. Because obviously he became the hyper-competent badass leader of the Autobots by being effortlessly perfect from the moment he came online. And clearly he had that whole civil war thing under control until they had to abandon their planet.
Posted by Dr. Caelus on April 25th, 2023 @ 7:08am CDT
What he’s experienced is failure, probably for the first time in his life, right?
Ugh. Because obviously he became the hyper-competent badass leader of the Autobots by being effortlessly perfect from the moment he came online. And clearly he had that whole civil war thing under control until they had to abandon their planet.
Re: Transformers ROTB Confirmed to Not be a Reboot by Lead Producer + Focus on Character Arcs (2160013)
Posted by morganprime on April 25th, 2023 @ 9:24am CDT
Posted by morganprime on April 25th, 2023 @ 9:24am CDT
How hard is it to make a movie about transforming robots that fight each other? No one is here for humans and their problems.
Re: Transformers ROTB Confirmed to Not be a Reboot by Lead Producer + Focus on Character Arcs (2160014)
Posted by griftimus prime on April 25th, 2023 @ 9:32am CDT
Posted by griftimus prime on April 25th, 2023 @ 9:32am CDT
like it matters
Re: Transformers ROTB Confirmed to Not be a Reboot by Lead Producer + Focus on Character Arcs (2160015)
Posted by william-james88 on April 25th, 2023 @ 9:45am CDT
Seems to matter to a lot of people within the fan community who have been debating the issue since TLK bombed.
Posted by william-james88 on April 25th, 2023 @ 9:45am CDT
griftimus prime wrote:like it matters
Seems to matter to a lot of people within the fan community who have been debating the issue since TLK bombed.
Re: Transformers ROTB Confirmed to Not be a Reboot by Lead Producer + Focus on Character Arcs (2160016)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on April 25th, 2023 @ 11:01am CDT
TLK ended en queue de poisson.
There's lots of questions that needs to be answered.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on April 25th, 2023 @ 11:01am CDT
william-james88 wrote:griftimus prime wrote:like it matters
Seems to matter to a lot of people within the fan community who have been debating the issue since TLK bombed.
TLK ended en queue de poisson.
There's lots of questions that needs to be answered.
Re: Transformers ROTB Confirmed to Not be a Reboot by Lead Producer + Focus on Character Arcs (2160018)
Posted by First-Aid on April 25th, 2023 @ 11:11am CDT
It's interesting how this is shaping up. I remember English class, how the definition of an "epic" is starting in the middle of things- "in medias res"- before having a flashback, then finishing the story later. I doubt this was intentional, but maybe.
Posted by First-Aid on April 25th, 2023 @ 11:11am CDT
-Kanrabat- wrote:william-james88 wrote:griftimus prime wrote:like it matters
Seems to matter to a lot of people within the fan community who have been debating the issue since TLK bombed.
TLK ended en queue de poisson.
There's lots of questions that needs to be answered.
It's interesting how this is shaping up. I remember English class, how the definition of an "epic" is starting in the middle of things- "in medias res"- before having a flashback, then finishing the story later. I doubt this was intentional, but maybe.
Re: Transformers ROTB Confirmed to Not be a Reboot by Lead Producer + Focus on Character Arcs (2160020)
Posted by EvasionModeBumblebee on April 25th, 2023 @ 11:26am CDT
Posted by EvasionModeBumblebee on April 25th, 2023 @ 11:26am CDT
New character posters for ROTB with Bumblebee, Wheeljack, and Arcee!
Bumblebee’s head design changed a bit from BB, no silver trim on the helmet, the yellow pieces under the eyes, missing a piece on the mouth section, and his ear pieces now sit lower, by his cheeks.
Bumblebee’s head design changed a bit from BB, no silver trim on the helmet, the yellow pieces under the eyes, missing a piece on the mouth section, and his ear pieces now sit lower, by his cheeks.
Re: Transformers ROTB Confirmed to Not be a Reboot by Lead Producer + Focus on Character Arcs (2160025)
Posted by First-Aid on April 25th, 2023 @ 12:04pm CDT
Posted by First-Aid on April 25th, 2023 @ 12:04pm CDT
I am LOVING that Arcee.
Re: Transformers ROTB Confirmed to Not be a Reboot by Lead Producer + Focus on Character Arcs (2160026)
Posted by ZeroWolf on April 25th, 2023 @ 12:18pm CDT
Posted by ZeroWolf on April 25th, 2023 @ 12:18pm CDT
At least Arcee looks less like a creepy doll now. Not really getting the rage for the producer comments here, he said almost the exact thing before Bumblebee premiered.
Also for all those who want humanless transformers, don't forget we have the prequel to the prequel coming out next year
Also for all those who want humanless transformers, don't forget we have the prequel to the prequel coming out next year
Re: Transformers ROTB Confirmed to Not be a Reboot by Lead Producer + Focus on Character Arcs (2160029)
Posted by alphatron10 on April 25th, 2023 @ 12:58pm CDT
Man, I would love that. I wish they would do a sequel to wrap it all up and then we wouldn't have to worry about anything about that universe anymore.
Posted by alphatron10 on April 25th, 2023 @ 12:58pm CDT
-Kanrabat- wrote:So, if that movie is not a reboot, does that means that we will get a TLK sequel at some point that would wrap all the loose ends?
Man, I would love that. I wish they would do a sequel to wrap it all up and then we wouldn't have to worry about anything about that universe anymore.
Re: Transformers ROTB Confirmed to Not be a Reboot by Lead Producer + Focus on Character Arcs (2160030)
Posted by nwr_levi on April 25th, 2023 @ 1:21pm CDT
Posted by nwr_levi on April 25th, 2023 @ 1:21pm CDT
The wording here seems a little vague. Perhaps the new movies a retelling of the Bayverse? That or they are waiting to fully confirm the reboot after the movie fails or succeeds.
Still hyped tho!
Still hyped tho!
Re: Transformers ROTB Confirmed to Not be a Reboot by Lead Producer + Focus on Character Arcs (2160031)
Posted by Quantum Surge on April 25th, 2023 @ 1:29pm CDT
Posted by Quantum Surge on April 25th, 2023 @ 1:29pm CDT
I like how everyone thought the Cybertron scenes immediately meant reboot despite the way these robots changed forms rather frequently (and probably moreso than the Aligned continuity), plus Sector 7, the Camaro, and the lack of Megatron meant it wasn't really going to be a reboot despite people's wishful thinking. 
Re: Transformers ROTB Confirmed to Not be a Reboot by Lead Producer + Focus on Character Arcs (2160033)
Posted by william-james88 on April 25th, 2023 @ 2:13pm CDT
Posted by william-james88 on April 25th, 2023 @ 2:13pm CDT
Was there any fan out there still thinking Paramount would change Wheeljack's look like they did with Sonic? Well, Hasbro has revealed new character posters today for the film and that includes our first official look at Wheeljack. The new character posters for ROTB also include Bumblebee and Arcee. We thank fellow Seibertronian EvasionModeBumblebee for letting us know of these.
Re: Transformers ROTB Confirmed to Not be a Reboot by Lead Producer + Focus on Character Arcs (2160034)
Posted by Deadput on April 25th, 2023 @ 2:22pm CDT
Posted by Deadput on April 25th, 2023 @ 2:22pm CDT
Ah Lorenzo the man who continues to be the sewer that drains the life out of the IP, it's gonna be like GI Joe soon enough as far as the films go, burning good will away till the casual audience doesn't want to see these films anymore, nobody needed "yet another Transformers film" especially not after 16 years.
Wheeljack's lips are whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy, the rest of the head is passible ignoring that it's Wheeljack who got the unique treatment of being drastically different from his Bumblebee film counterpart compared to other returning characters but those lips are just ugly, imagine turning a guy with a faceplate who could easily save some budget on synching lines with lip movement into this film's big WTF face design.
Also it just stands out as inconsistent with the other character faces, literally compare him with Prime (even without his faceplate in the trailer), Bee, Arcee and Mirage and he looks drastically different aesthetic wise.
Regardless if the film and the character are good or not I will never not critique the design decisions regarding this, why did we need Steve Urkel as a robot? Hell why do we need to humanize any Transformer's face after a specific irl actor? That crap doesn't age well and it's uncreative stop doing it.
I mean did you see the trailer and marketing for this movie? Humans are barely focused upon and there's only like 2 main humans in this film as well with no military at all in a major role.
That doesn't mean the movie isn't going to be Not-shit, more robot screentime has not nor will ever automatically mean it's a good film.
2007 was a better film than ROTF despite the latter having more robots and a bit more screentime for them.
What does "Transforming robots that fight each other" mean anyways? There needs to be context that makes it matter that isn't just the equivalent of watching video game fights on youtube, we've had enough mindless robot action a good film needs to for once focus on the Transformers as characters.
Wheeljack's lips are whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy, the rest of the head is passible ignoring that it's Wheeljack who got the unique treatment of being drastically different from his Bumblebee film counterpart compared to other returning characters but those lips are just ugly, imagine turning a guy with a faceplate who could easily save some budget on synching lines with lip movement into this film's big WTF face design.
Also it just stands out as inconsistent with the other character faces, literally compare him with Prime (even without his faceplate in the trailer), Bee, Arcee and Mirage and he looks drastically different aesthetic wise.
Regardless if the film and the character are good or not I will never not critique the design decisions regarding this, why did we need Steve Urkel as a robot? Hell why do we need to humanize any Transformer's face after a specific irl actor? That crap doesn't age well and it's uncreative stop doing it.
morganprime wrote:How hard is it to make a movie about transforming robots that fight each other? No one is here for humans and their problems.
I mean did you see the trailer and marketing for this movie? Humans are barely focused upon and there's only like 2 main humans in this film as well with no military at all in a major role.
That doesn't mean the movie isn't going to be Not-shit, more robot screentime has not nor will ever automatically mean it's a good film.
2007 was a better film than ROTF despite the latter having more robots and a bit more screentime for them.
What does "Transforming robots that fight each other" mean anyways? There needs to be context that makes it matter that isn't just the equivalent of watching video game fights on youtube, we've had enough mindless robot action a good film needs to for once focus on the Transformers as characters.
Re: Transformers ROTB Confirmed to Not be a Reboot by Lead Producer + Focus on Character Arcs (2160035)
Posted by DeathReviews on April 25th, 2023 @ 2:25pm CDT
Posted by DeathReviews on April 25th, 2023 @ 2:25pm CDT
If they make Wheeljack TALK like Urkel as well as LOOKING like him, then it would show the writers are completely out of touch. Wandering around from scene to scene, jamming his face into the cameras and squeaking, "Did I do that???"
Re: Transformers ROTB Confirmed to Not be a Reboot by Lead Producer + Focus on Character Arcs (2160036)
Posted by Kamijou Touma on April 25th, 2023 @ 2:44pm CDT
Posted by Kamijou Touma on April 25th, 2023 @ 2:44pm CDT
You can call that "Wheeljack" anything but that head is just awful looking. I love Arcee's head. Bee, I just do not care anymore about him.
I have very little hope that this movie will be good.
The BB movie is my favorite.
I have very little hope that this movie will be good.
The BB movie is my favorite.
Re: Transformers ROTB Confirmed to Not be a Reboot by Lead Producer + Focus on Character Arcs (2160037)
Posted by First-Aid on April 25th, 2023 @ 3:14pm CDT
Posted by First-Aid on April 25th, 2023 @ 3:14pm CDT
Interestingly, with all the parts that have been accumulated in the various movies one could make a sequel or two to TLK that could wrap up a lot of threads. For example:
Movie 2007 introduced the AllSpark, widely regarded as the core of Primus.
ROTF introduced the Matrix and a way to regenerate the AllSpark.
DOTM introduced space bridge tech, allowing for rapid transit through the universe.
AoE introduced "transformium"- a way to rapidly regenerate Cybertronian alloys and the idea of someone hunting the Transformers off-world.
TLK brought Cybertron into Earth orbit and introduced the concept of the Quintessons/Quintessa, as well as introducing Unicron
BB introduced the Cybertronians to Earth.
ROTB seems like it is introducing Transwarp technology and the Terrorcons (what are their origins?).
If you look at those pieces, I can see the development of an endgame movie where each piece fits together, resulting in a regeneration of Cybertron and a subduing of Unicron without destroying Earth.
The questions is...will the movie peeps see it and use it?
Movie 2007 introduced the AllSpark, widely regarded as the core of Primus.
ROTF introduced the Matrix and a way to regenerate the AllSpark.
DOTM introduced space bridge tech, allowing for rapid transit through the universe.
AoE introduced "transformium"- a way to rapidly regenerate Cybertronian alloys and the idea of someone hunting the Transformers off-world.
TLK brought Cybertron into Earth orbit and introduced the concept of the Quintessons/Quintessa, as well as introducing Unicron
BB introduced the Cybertronians to Earth.
ROTB seems like it is introducing Transwarp technology and the Terrorcons (what are their origins?).
If you look at those pieces, I can see the development of an endgame movie where each piece fits together, resulting in a regeneration of Cybertron and a subduing of Unicron without destroying Earth.
The questions is...will the movie peeps see it and use it?
Re: Transformers ROTB Confirmed to Not be a Reboot by Lead Producer + Focus on Character Arcs (2160038)
Posted by Quantum Surge on April 25th, 2023 @ 3:33pm CDT
Posted by Quantum Surge on April 25th, 2023 @ 3:33pm CDT
I really love Arcee's design. This might be my favorite version of her Movie iteration by far. Also happy to see Pablo lives on and Bee keeps buzzing
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Posted by william-james88 on April 25th, 2023 @ 3:58pm CDT
Posted by william-james88 on April 25th, 2023 @ 3:58pm CDT
People talk of Urkel but the glasses look more like Elton John's
Re: Transformers ROTB Confirmed to Not be a Reboot by Lead Producer + Focus on Character Arcs (2160043)
Posted by G1OptimusPAX on April 25th, 2023 @ 4:05pm CDT
Posted by G1OptimusPAX on April 25th, 2023 @ 4:05pm CDT
Real talk, straight rocket man.
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Posted by First-Aid on April 25th, 2023 @ 4:06pm CDT
Nobody:
Wheeljack: "I'm the SOcketmaa-an.....SOCKETMAAAAANN!"
Posted by First-Aid on April 25th, 2023 @ 4:06pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:People talk of Urkel but the glasses look more like Elton John's
Nobody:
Wheeljack: "I'm the SOcketmaa-an.....SOCKETMAAAAANN!"
Re: Transformers ROTB Confirmed to Not be a Reboot by Lead Producer + Focus on Character Arcs (2160045)
Posted by Stormshot_Prime on April 25th, 2023 @ 4:16pm CDT
Posted by Stormshot_Prime on April 25th, 2023 @ 4:16pm CDT
Arcee looks AMAZING, exactly how I always envisioned a Bayversed Arcee based on G1. Maintains the mechanical while being full of life and expression.
Bumblebee looks like Bumblebee.
But Wheeljack. I just have to say, what the actual fuck? Sure, a good portion of the live action head designs have always been unconventional or "ugly", but his face? The worst of all worlds. How do we have Arcee and Mirage with coherent faces, and then end up with that? I was never a big fan of the head redesign, but seeing it up close, yikes. I don't care about the rest of his body, a van makes more sense as an alt-mode for a scientist/engineer than a race car anyway, but this will bother me forever.
All of this of course being a relatively small gripe about a movie I am very much looking forward to.
Bumblebee looks like Bumblebee.
But Wheeljack. I just have to say, what the actual fuck? Sure, a good portion of the live action head designs have always been unconventional or "ugly", but his face? The worst of all worlds. How do we have Arcee and Mirage with coherent faces, and then end up with that? I was never a big fan of the head redesign, but seeing it up close, yikes. I don't care about the rest of his body, a van makes more sense as an alt-mode for a scientist/engineer than a race car anyway, but this will bother me forever.
All of this of course being a relatively small gripe about a movie I am very much looking forward to.
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Posted by Deadput on April 25th, 2023 @ 4:29pm CDT
They do but the character inspiration is quite clearly Urkel since it's both the glasses and seatbelt suspenders on a "nerdy" character which is probably where their going to take his character, play Wheeljack's engineering talents for a damn joke it's what I expect the character writing to be at this point considering the previous films with shallow personalities on most of the Transformers.
Then again the Wreckers in DOTM didn't really act like Rednecks the way their designs looked but then again they weren't major characters since AOE did treat Hound (A fat Marine/Soldier) and Drift (Samurai) as shallow personalities that conformed with the way they were designed.
Posted by Deadput on April 25th, 2023 @ 4:29pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:People talk of Urkel but the glasses look more like Elton John's
They do but the character inspiration is quite clearly Urkel since it's both the glasses and seatbelt suspenders on a "nerdy" character which is probably where their going to take his character, play Wheeljack's engineering talents for a damn joke it's what I expect the character writing to be at this point considering the previous films with shallow personalities on most of the Transformers.
Then again the Wreckers in DOTM didn't really act like Rednecks the way their designs looked but then again they weren't major characters since AOE did treat Hound (A fat Marine/Soldier) and Drift (Samurai) as shallow personalities that conformed with the way they were designed.
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Posted by Immortal Starscream on April 25th, 2023 @ 4:35pm CDT
Posted by Immortal Starscream on April 25th, 2023 @ 4:35pm CDT
smart people, even ones that are my fellow nerds and geeks, do not generally look like the guys from revenge of the nerds. neck beards sure, but not the over the top stereotype nerd. Wheeljack just feels like a flagrant insult rather then a genuine design choice. why does he even need glasses? I mean, I guess that fall in line with the old "how do robots have genders" argument.
anyway, the rest all look good. hopefully his character and story will be good enough to make me ignore what they did to jacky.
anyway, the rest all look good. hopefully his character and story will be good enough to make me ignore what they did to jacky.
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Posted by Sabrblade on April 25th, 2023 @ 5:15pm CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on April 25th, 2023 @ 5:15pm CDT
Keep in mind, the movie is set during the time when Family Matters was at the height of its popularity.
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Posted by First-Aid on April 25th, 2023 @ 5:19pm CDT
I was just wondering about that...
Posted by First-Aid on April 25th, 2023 @ 5:19pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:Keep in mind, the movie is set during the time when Family Matters was at the height of its popularity.
I was just wondering about that...
Re: Transformers ROTB Confirmed to Not be a Reboot by Lead Producer + Focus on Character Arcs (2160051)
Posted by Sabrblade on April 25th, 2023 @ 5:22pm CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on April 25th, 2023 @ 5:22pm CDT
Now I'm almost saddened that they didn't get Jaleel White to voice him.First-Aid wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Keep in mind, the movie is set during the time when Family Matters was at the height of its popularity.
I was just wondering about that...
Re: Transformers ROTB Confirmed to Not be a Reboot by Lead Producer + Focus on Character Arcs (2160053)
Posted by Brokebot on April 25th, 2023 @ 5:54pm CDT
Posted by Brokebot on April 25th, 2023 @ 5:54pm CDT
As good as Arcee may look, she ain't good enough to make me go see this and endure Urkel-bot. Gonna save my money and wait for highlights to show up on Youtube.
Re: Transformers ROTB Confirmed to Not be a Reboot by Lead Producer + Focus on Character Arcs (2160055)
Posted by Burn on April 25th, 2023 @ 6:02pm CDT
Posted by Burn on April 25th, 2023 @ 6:02pm CDT
I'm glad they didn't change the look of Wheeljack. I like it.
Plus it pisses off a lot of people and seeing their anger filled posts on the interwebs gives me movement in my nether regions.
Oh and in other news RotB has had it's release date pushed back 2 weeks in Australia more than likely to coincide with school holidays. Not that anyone cares
Plus it pisses off a lot of people and seeing their anger filled posts on the interwebs gives me movement in my nether regions.
Oh and in other news RotB has had it's release date pushed back 2 weeks in Australia more than likely to coincide with school holidays. Not that anyone cares
Re: Transformers ROTB Confirmed to Not be a Reboot by Lead Producer + Focus on Character Arcs (2160056)
Posted by Rodimus Prime on April 25th, 2023 @ 6:08pm CDT
I'm just glad we're finding all this out through the producers and director's loud mouths so it saves time and money to those of us who want to see an actual Transformers story.
Posted by Rodimus Prime on April 25th, 2023 @ 6:08pm CDT
When the objective is one-sided human social commentary driven by a narrow-minded agenda instead of being faithful to the supposed source material, this is what you get.morganprime wrote:How hard is it to make a movie about transforming robots that fight each other? No one is here for humans and their problems.
I'm just glad we're finding all this out through the producers and director's loud mouths so it saves time and money to those of us who want to see an actual Transformers story.
Re: Transformers ROTB Confirmed to Not be a Reboot by Lead Producer + Focus on Character Arcs (2160057)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on April 25th, 2023 @ 6:10pm CDT
Posted by -Kanrabat- on April 25th, 2023 @ 6:10pm CDT
Well, being overly passionate about insignificant details is the backbone of any and all geeks I guess.
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Re: Transformers ROTB Confirmed to Not be a Reboot by Lead Producer + Focus on Character Arcs (2160058)
Posted by First-Aid on April 25th, 2023 @ 6:11pm CDT
Posted by First-Aid on April 25th, 2023 @ 6:11pm CDT
[quote="Burn"]I'm glad they didn't change the look of Wheeljack. I like it.[/size]
It's creative and different. And I'm good with that.
[quote="Burn"]Plus it pisses off a lot of people and seeing their anger filled posts on the interwebs gives me movement in my nether regions.[/size]
I agree with the sentiment, but damn dude...TMI...
It's creative and different. And I'm good with that.
[quote="Burn"]Plus it pisses off a lot of people and seeing their anger filled posts on the interwebs gives me movement in my nether regions.[/size]
I agree with the sentiment, but damn dude...TMI...
Re: Transformers ROTB Confirmed to Not be a Reboot by Lead Producer + Focus on Character Arcs (2160059)
Posted by Nisus on April 25th, 2023 @ 6:11pm CDT
Posted by Nisus on April 25th, 2023 @ 6:11pm CDT
Eh.... I'll wait till my nephew goes to see it and blabs the entire movie.
Re: Transformers ROTB Confirmed to Not be a Reboot by Lead Producer + Focus on Character Arcs (2160060)
Posted by Sabrblade on April 25th, 2023 @ 6:14pm CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on April 25th, 2023 @ 6:14pm CDT
Nisus wrote:Eh.... I'll wait till my nephew goes to see it and blabs the entire movie.
Re: Transformers ROTB Confirmed to Not be a Reboot by Lead Producer + Focus on Character Arcs (2160061)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on April 25th, 2023 @ 6:17pm CDT
Naaaaah, why the movies are so human-centric is because animating these models is hard and expensive.
HA, they could go full G1 Sunbow cartoon for the visuals for all I care if we could have a movie about ALIEN robots doing ALIEN robots things, with talented writers. Instead of getting some "lets celebrate -insert race-" or "fart jokes extravaganza" because of budget reasons and mostly, because of hiring talentless quacks as writers.
We will see how that movie will turn out and if it will "forget itself" halfway-through like so many movies does.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on April 25th, 2023 @ 6:17pm CDT
Rodimus Prime wrote:When the objective is one-sided human social commentary driven by a narrow-minded agenda instead of being faithful to the supposed source material, this is what you get.morganprime wrote:How hard is it to make a movie about transforming robots that fight each other? No one is here for humans and their problems.
I'm just glad we're finding all this out through the producers and director's loud mouths so it saves time and money to those of us who want to see an actual Transformers story.
Naaaaah, why the movies are so human-centric is because animating these models is hard and expensive.
HA, they could go full G1 Sunbow cartoon for the visuals for all I care if we could have a movie about ALIEN robots doing ALIEN robots things, with talented writers. Instead of getting some "lets celebrate -insert race-" or "fart jokes extravaganza" because of budget reasons and mostly, because of hiring talentless quacks as writers.
We will see how that movie will turn out and if it will "forget itself" halfway-through like so many movies does.
Re: Transformers ROTB Confirmed to Not be a Reboot by Lead Producer + Focus on Character Arcs (2160062)
Posted by Rodimus Prime on April 25th, 2023 @ 6:42pm CDT
Posted by Rodimus Prime on April 25th, 2023 @ 6:42pm CDT
Fair enough. But then the story should still be about the Transformers themselves with humans as supporting characters instead of yet another alien invasion story.-Kanrabat- wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:When the objective is one-sided human social commentary driven by a narrow-minded agenda instead of being faithful to the supposed source material, this is what you get.morganprime wrote:How hard is it to make a movie about transforming robots that fight each other? No one is here for humans and their problems.
I'm just glad we're finding all this out through the producers and director's loud mouths so it saves time and money to those of us who want to see an actual Transformers story.
Naaaaah, why the movies are so human-centric is because animating these models is hard and expensive.
To be fair, they were more sec jokes than fart jokes. And the other part hasn't been prevalent until RoTB, by the director's own admission.HA, they could go full G1 Sunbow cartoon for the visuals for all I care if we could have a movie about ALIEN robots doing ALIEN robots things, with talented writers. Instead of getting some "lets celebrate -insert race-" or "fart jokes extravaganza" because of budget reasons and mostly, because of hiring talentless quacks as writers.
If it does, I'm sure I'll hear it from someone who's dumb enough to go see it.We will see how that movie will turn out and if it will "forget itself" halfway-through like so many movies does.
Re: Transformers ROTB Confirmed to Not be a Reboot by Lead Producer + Focus on Character Arcs (2160063)
Posted by SpaceEagle on April 25th, 2023 @ 6:52pm CDT
Posted by SpaceEagle on April 25th, 2023 @ 6:52pm CDT
Funny enough I was hoping BB's look would be changed despite how infeasible that would ever be(e).
Not that I hate his look, I do enjoy the rest of his head design, just not a big fan of his speaker mouth.
I don't mind Wheeljack's look too much because it does still remind me of DotM's Wheeljack, a.k.a. Que.
Not that I hate his look, I do enjoy the rest of his head design, just not a big fan of his speaker mouth.
I don't mind Wheeljack's look too much because it does still remind me of DotM's Wheeljack, a.k.a. Que.
Re: Transformers ROTB Confirmed to Not be a Reboot by Lead Producer + Focus on Character Arcs (2160067)
Posted by Deadput on April 25th, 2023 @ 7:23pm CDT
And the movie was made in the 2020's, sometimes a bad design is a bad design and things should be left in their time period.
God forbid some of us just don't like the design for it being disgusting and once again going for a lazy, uncreative stereotype head design rather than it not being G1, at least DOTM Que was less generic looking even if it was just Einstein's head.
If your gonna replace Wheeljack's bad ass head design almost nobody else had in the franchise at least make it a suitably bad ass replacement, not generic head with terrible lips, they could of at least made the glasses be cooler because that concept is neat in a vacuum.
I'm all for toxic fans getting pissed for stupid reasons (like the Star Wars fanbase with anything new) but this ain't it.
Speaking of disgusting, sure do love to read about how your nether regions feel on a Transformers forum thanks man.
Posted by Deadput on April 25th, 2023 @ 7:23pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:Keep in mind, the movie is set during the time when Family Matters was at the height of its popularity.
And the movie was made in the 2020's, sometimes a bad design is a bad design and things should be left in their time period.
Burn wrote:I'm glad they didn't change the look of Wheeljack. I like it.
Plus it pisses off a lot of people and seeing their anger filled posts on the interwebs gives me movement in my nether regions.
God forbid some of us just don't like the design for it being disgusting and once again going for a lazy, uncreative stereotype head design rather than it not being G1, at least DOTM Que was less generic looking even if it was just Einstein's head.
If your gonna replace Wheeljack's bad ass head design almost nobody else had in the franchise at least make it a suitably bad ass replacement, not generic head with terrible lips, they could of at least made the glasses be cooler because that concept is neat in a vacuum.
I'm all for toxic fans getting pissed for stupid reasons (like the Star Wars fanbase with anything new) but this ain't it.
Speaking of disgusting, sure do love to read about how your nether regions feel on a Transformers forum thanks man.
Re: Transformers ROTB Confirmed to Not be a Reboot by Lead Producer + Focus on Character Arcs (2160069)
Posted by Fires_Of_Inferno on April 25th, 2023 @ 7:34pm CDT
Posted by Fires_Of_Inferno on April 25th, 2023 @ 7:34pm CDT
Honestly, I'm fine with Wheeljack's new look. I mean, the guy in DotM was named Que (even said by name) and the guy in Bumblebee wasn't even named on screen. So if this is Wheeljack, fine. It's not like Bumblebee looks like Bumblebee anymore anyway.
The way they're talking about the story the movie takes though doesn't make me feel good. I was hoping for something more with the feel of the Bumblebee movie rather than the Bay movies. Oh well. Still gonna buy the toys.
Also I made this and it makes me smile
The way they're talking about the story the movie takes though doesn't make me feel good. I was hoping for something more with the feel of the Bumblebee movie rather than the Bay movies. Oh well. Still gonna buy the toys.
Also I made this and it makes me smile
Re: Transformers ROTB Confirmed to Not be a Reboot by Lead Producer + Focus on Character Arcs (2160071)
Posted by SpaceEagle on April 25th, 2023 @ 7:37pm CDT
Posted by SpaceEagle on April 25th, 2023 @ 7:37pm CDT
Lol, that's a great edit
Re: Transformers ROTB Confirmed to Not be a Reboot by Lead Producer + Focus on Character Arcs (2160072)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on April 25th, 2023 @ 7:57pm CDT
Well, hum... So far I've seen every single TF movies in theatre as it came out, except for the 1986 one.
So...
Posted by -Kanrabat- on April 25th, 2023 @ 7:57pm CDT
Rodimus Prime wrote:If it does, I'm sure I'll hear it from someone who's dumb enough to go see it.-Kanrabat- wrote:We will see how that movie will turn out and if it will "forget itself" halfway-through like so many movies does.
Well, hum... So far I've seen every single TF movies in theatre as it came out, except for the 1986 one.
So...
Re: Transformers ROTB Confirmed to Not be a Reboot by Lead Producer + Focus on Character Arcs (2160073)
Posted by Burn on April 25th, 2023 @ 7:59pm CDT
So realistically, you'd just like the same old look rehashed again and again.
Do you need a refresher course on how different from their G1 looks Ironhide, Ratchet and Jazz were in the first movie? What about Starscream and Megatron? Remember how radically different those designs have been?
These movies have done A LOT of reinterpreting a characters design, but by all means, fixate on a face.
It's a face. Getting upset over it really is stupid.
Not my fault the site rules prevent me from sharing my OnlyFans link.
Posted by Burn on April 25th, 2023 @ 7:59pm CDT
Deadput wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Keep in mind, the movie is set during the time when Family Matters was at the height of its popularity.
And the movie was made in the 2020's, sometimes a bad design is a bad design and things should be left in their time period.Burn wrote:I'm glad they didn't change the look of Wheeljack. I like it.
Plus it pisses off a lot of people and seeing their anger filled posts on the interwebs gives me movement in my nether regions.
God forbid some of us just don't like the design for it being disgusting and once again going for a lazy, uncreative stereotype head design rather than it not being G1, at least DOTM Que was less generic looking even if it was just Einstein's head.
If your gonna replace Wheeljack's bad ass head design almost nobody else had in the franchise at least make it a suitably bad ass replacement, not generic head with terrible lips, they could of at least made the glasses be cooler because that concept is neat in a vacuum.
So realistically, you'd just like the same old look rehashed again and again.
Do you need a refresher course on how different from their G1 looks Ironhide, Ratchet and Jazz were in the first movie? What about Starscream and Megatron? Remember how radically different those designs have been?
These movies have done A LOT of reinterpreting a characters design, but by all means, fixate on a face.
I'm all for toxic fans getting pissed for stupid reasons (like the Star Wars fanbase with anything new) but this ain't it.
It's a face. Getting upset over it really is stupid.
Speaking of disgusting, sure do love to read about how your nether regions feel on a Transformers forum thanks man.
Not my fault the site rules prevent me from sharing my OnlyFans link.
Re: Transformers ROTB Confirmed to Not be a Reboot by Lead Producer + Focus on Character Arcs (2160074)
Posted by SpaceEagle on April 25th, 2023 @ 8:00pm CDT
Uh oh, looks like someone needs to put on the dunce cap! /s
I'm sure in the end it'll still be dumb family fun* that we'll probably "S'alright huh?" and just have fun with the toys.
Maybe we could even channel our inner child and whine about it play with our toys and make up a totally awesome and better story.
*granted the kids are old enough to even see it.
Posted by SpaceEagle on April 25th, 2023 @ 8:00pm CDT
-Kanrabat- wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:If it does, I'm sure I'll hear it from someone who's dumb enough to go see it.-Kanrabat- wrote:We will see how that movie will turn out and if it will "forget itself" halfway-through like so many movies does.
Well, hum... So far I've seen every single TF movie in theatre as it came out, except for the 1986 one. So...
Uh oh, looks like someone needs to put on the dunce cap! /s
I'm sure in the end it'll still be dumb family fun* that we'll probably "S'alright huh?" and just have fun with the toys.
Maybe we could even channel our inner child and whine about it play with our toys and make up a totally awesome and better story.
*granted the kids are old enough to even see it.
