Transformers Prime "Ultimate Bumblebee" DVD Coming In February

TK415 wrote:Your kidding me, right?

Come to think of it, what we really need is for Bumblebee to have his own on-going comic. Bumblebee should really have his own TV show as well. After that they should make a novel, the Life and Times of Bumblebee. Then Bumblebee the video game. Just the greatness of Bumblebee in every medium possible.

Shockwave7 wrote:Sorry to sound bitter - but I don't see why Hasbro thinks they have to cancel Transformers TV shows (even GOOD ones) just to clear toy shelves for whatever festering, worm-filled log Michael Bay intends to grunt out of his backside and call 'Transformers 4'.

PrymeStriker wrote:Interesting how people flip their lids when Bumblebee gets something dedicated to himself, especially in a series when he was a near background character.

I personally find a lot of things more annoying than Bumblebee. I can't seem to fathom all of his spite, especially when he's about as common a character as Optimus, Megatron, and Starscream at this point.

Ironically, nobody gets tired of those three.

This DVD doesn't particularly matter to me, but it's nice to see Prime Bumblebee get some more recognition after Predacons Rising I suppose.

What Transformers TV shows have been canceled other than Animated?

Shockwave7 wrote:

What Transformers TV shows have been canceled other than Animated?

Why are they ending TF prime? This show was good and had plenty of potential for more seasons. Don't tell me 'the HUB' wants this show off the schedule so they can make room for more re-runs of 'Jem and the Holograms'. And with the 4th movie (and it's toys) on the horizon - are we to think it's mere coincidence that TF prime is off the air and hype for the new movie is on the rise?

And TFA was cancelled just before Dark of the Moon came out. Once, you might say 'bad luck' - twice? You gotta say - it's a calculation.

Shock[/quote]wave7 wrote:Why are they ending TF prime?

Shockwave7 wrote:This show was good and had plenty of potential for more seasons.

Shockwave7 wrote:Don't tell me 'the HUB' wants this show off the schedule so they can make room for more re-runs of 'Jem and the Holograms'.

Shockwave7 wrote:And with the 4th movie (and it's toys) on the horizon - are we to think it's mere coincidence that TF prime is off the air and hype for the new movie is on the rise?

And TFA was cancelled just before Dark of the Moon came out. Once, you might say 'bad luck' - twice? You gotta say - it's a calculation.

Shadowman wrote:The issue isn't that it's based on Bumblebee. The issue is that it's just a collection of Bumblebee-themed episodes that we've all already seen.

Sabrblade wrote:

Shadowman wrote:The issue isn't that it's based on Bumblebee. The issue is that it's just a collection of Bumblebee-themed episodes that we've all already seen.

TK415 seemed pretty bummed that this a Bumblebee-themed release, which PrymeStriker seemed to be responding to.

Shockwave7 wrote:

What Transformers TV shows have been canceled other than Animated?

Why are they ending TF prime? This show was good and had plenty of potential for more seasons. Don't tell me 'the HUB' wants this show off the schedule so they can make room for more re-runs of 'Jem and the Holograms'. And with the 4th movie (and it's toys) on the horizon - are we to think it's mere coincidence that TF prime is off the air and hype for the new movie is on the rise?

And TFA was cancelled just before Dark of the Moon came out. Once, you might say 'bad luck' - twice? You gotta say - it's a calculation.

Dead Metal wrote:Who needs this after already owning the whole damn show in a box?

PrymeStriker wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Shadowman wrote:The issue isn't that it's based on Bumblebee. The issue is that it's just a collection of Bumblebee-themed episodes that we've all already seen.

TK415 seemed pretty bummed that this a Bumblebee-themed release, which PrymeStriker seemed to be responding to.

Yes, I was responding to TK415.

TK415 wrote:

PrymeStriker wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Shadowman wrote:The issue isn't that it's based on Bumblebee. The issue is that it's just a collection of Bumblebee-themed episodes that we've all already seen.

TK415 seemed pretty bummed that this a Bumblebee-themed release, which PrymeStriker seemed to be responding to.

Yes, I was responding to TK415.

Look, I get it, Hasbro targets their products to children. Children like Bumblebee. A parent (and or a casual consumer) may be more likely to buy a Bumblebee DVD rather than a Transformer Prime DVD. I don’t have a problem with Hasbro making money or targeting their main audience. But, as an adult collector I can have the opinion that there is an over saturation of Bumblebee.

When I saw the news about the DVD I laughed, I wrote what I wrote, and then I didn’t let it bother me again. Good for Hasbro for thinking of a way to effectively target their audience. Also, the more money they make, the more product they will produce, which could be good for me. I had decent sarcasm, I would think that “Flip their lids” was not an accurate description of my post. I can agree that there is a lot of hate for Bumblebee out there, which bothers me. But we can still laugh at Hasbro’s actions.

Additionally, I thought Prymestriker’s following comment was excellent and one that I hadn’t thought about recently: “I personally find a lot of things more annoying than Bumblebee. I can't seem to fathom all of his spite, especially when he's about as common a character as Optimus, Megatron, and Starscream at this point."

For me, I have no spite for Bee. I just don’t like over saturation of any character. Twelve shelves of Starscream for six months would be a problem for me. When the Star Wars prequels came out I enjoyed reading novels about Yoda, Mace, and others. I didn’t want to read 10 novels about Anakin. Sure you can have main characters, just as long as they aren’t the only characters. So, is a Bumblebee DVD a problem? No. Can we laugh about it? Yes.

PrymeStriker wrote:Thank you for your kind and reasonable response. I apologize for any misconceptions I've made toward your post.

PrymeStriker wrote:

TurboMMaster wrote:1) Almost entirely new cast, characters from Prime returns only via cameo

I disagree with this. They practically left an open door for Bumblebee to be the star of the next series in Predacons Rising. I also don't believe we'll be shaking Bulkhead & Arcee anytime soon. And with Optimus gone, the logical choice for a replacement "leader" is Ultra Magnus.

PrymeStriker wrote:I agree with this. Knock Out can replace Ratchet as the medic for the Autobots on Cybertron.

With Megatron out of the question, Knock Out a member of the Autobots, Soundwave in the Shadowzone, and Starscream probably target practice for the Predacons, I don't think any returning Decepticons will want to continue the legacy. Especially when Megatron himself officially disbanded the Decepticons, in all of their loyalty to him.

Meh....

7) Starscream lives.

Target Practice.

9) Reincarnation of Optimus Prime

TurboMMaster wrote:I understand your POV, but after 65 episodes watching series with such small cast, you may have enough of any character from first seazon, maybe except for Wheeljack. Beast Hunters proves that creators have enough of Bulkhead and Arcee, But there is a lot of Bumblebee, Knock Out and Starscream too. Even if we consider that all three of them start to change before series finale.

PrymeStriker wrote:I agree with this. Knock Out can replace Ratchet as the medic for the Autobots on Cybertron.

To be honest, I would love to see that KO don't fits Autobots at all and either betray them, or beign kicked out. Is there really need in Autobot team for an opportunist and a coward?

With Megatron out of the question, Knock Out a member of the Autobots, Soundwave in the Shadowzone, and Starscream probably target practice for the Predacons, I don't think any returning Decepticons will want to continue the legacy. Especially when Megatron himself officially disbanded the Decepticons, in all of their loyalty to him.

A perfect situation for new Overlord to emerge

7) Starscream lives.

Target Practice.

Why you think that Predacons want to KILL Starscream? Maybe humiliation is enough?

Also, as a seaker, he maybe extremly usefull for Predaking, as a one who provide new bones, outside from Cybertron.

9) Reincarnation of Optimus Prime

No.

Why not? It's perfect way to keep him "dead" and "alive" at the same time....

Sabrblade wrote:Pretty sure the Bumblebee over-saturation has died down since the PRID line went under. I myself haven't seen a Bumblebee toy hive on the shelves since then, as the main Deluxes that now clogging the shelves appear to be BH Smokescreen, BH Starscream, BH Bulkhead, BH Lazerback, and the Wave 1 Generations toys that got re-released with the Wreckers.

Sabrblade wrote: a Bumblebee toy hive.

TK415 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote: a Bumblebee toy hive.

Nice description, I like that.

Sabrblade wrote:

TK415 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote: a Bumblebee toy hive.

Nice description, I like that.

Has also been called just "the hive", "Yellow Cancer", "Bumblebees, Bumblebees everywhere!", "the Yellow Swarm", etc.

For the following, I think Batman put it best when he said, "A deadly bee weapon. Bees, my God."

Shadowman wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

TK415 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote: a Bumblebee toy hive.

Nice description, I like that.

Has also been called just "the hive", "Yellow Cancer", "Bumblebees, Bumblebees everywhere!", "the Yellow Swarm", etc.

For the following, I think Batman put it best when he said, "A deadly bee weapon. Bees, my God."

The situation has only been made worse with the addition of yet more bees!

kaijuguy19 wrote:Do you think the Autobots as a whole in the series have some good interactions with each other or do you think the show didn't go deeper enough to their personatly and as a result think they're boring and one demensional?

don't have any traits for the viewer to identify with,

that we never saw them do stuff on their own outside of hanging out with the humans.

They also said how the Decepticons are more interesting and entertaining then the Autobots because of this.

Sabrblade wrote:When Smokescreen came into the picture is when I feel we got some really good interactions among the Autobots.

kaijuguy19 wrote:Again I guess it's because that after seeing the show in it's entiriety I'm beginning to look back at it. In a way most of the people who say that we don't see a lot of the Autobots doing things off the battle field or doing anything important enough on the show are somehow valid since I didn't see Arcee take an oil bath despite her talking about how much she loves on or that we don't know what Ratchet and Optimus do in their spare time other then stating the obvious mission at hand here.

There's also them saying that there's hardly any conflict between them other then Ratchet,Wheeljack and Magnus.

Then there's the Autobots being Hyprocrties as well.

PrymeStriker wrote:
I'm going to quote Arcee from "New Recruit" on this argument:

"There was a war going on."

In Animated, the Autobots were on the top of the pile (like the Decepticons are here), and had time to goof off and be themselves. But with a severe lack of resources and a need to stay covert and undercover, none of the Autobots could do anything for leisure very often.

It wasn't until Predacons Rising when the Autobots had won that we saw some of the Autobots "in their element," such as Bulkhead in charge of the construction effort. Though, that was short-lived with the Predacon Predicament and the return of Unicron.

Point being, there was no spare time for the Autobots in this series. They were near-hungry, poor, and on-the-run for most of the series, and that's the way it would realistically be.

Ratchet-->Optimus Prime (for a while)
Wheeljack-->Ultra Magnus
Arcee-->Smokescreen
Wheeljack-->Optimus Prime
Bulkhead-->Wheeljack (vaguely)

Seems like Bumblebee's the only one who hasn't had any kind of conflict with any of his teammates.

Then there's the Autobots being Hyprocrties as well.

I never understood this argument. Can you elaborate on this, please?

kaijuguy19 wrote:Oh I get that all right believe me I do. I think it's just we didn't see them do the stuff that they did have time to with either the kids or by themselves enough to really get a sense of them having a life aside from fighting that's all. I agree that while yes the Autobots aren't perfect they aren't the worst I've seen. I was sort of shocked when I've heard that the japanese characters from RID while being one track were constantly on track and never boring and that both the RID and UT at least had the excuse to have one track characters in low budget shows unlike Prime having a higher budget had no excuse to mess up characters. I should also point that while the Maximals of Beast Wars were in many tight situations they still found time to do some hobbies and such to relax a lot of times during the show.

kaijuguy19 wrote:Sure thing. The same people I talked to talked about how the Autobots like Optimus for example preach on about not killling those who can't defend themselves nor slaughter Vehicons who aren't made for combat yet goes around killing off Vehicons in brutal fasions like Arcee twisting off the head of one and Bulkhead ripping out the insides of another

kaijuguy19 wrote:as well as killing off the Predacons in he tubes in Evolution.

kaijuguy19 wrote:Sure thing. The same people I talked to talked about how the Autobots like Optimus for example preach on about not killling those who can't defend themselves nor slaughter Vehicons who aren't made for combat yet goes around killing off Vehicons in brutal fasions like Arcee twisting off the head of one and Bulkhead ripping out the insides of another as well as killing off the Predacons in he tubes in Evolution.

There's also the time Arcee went off towards Airachnid in Crossfire ignoring Optimus's command not to when in the past episodes like Partners and One shall Fall she learned that revenge was a bad thing and told Bee not to do it to Megatron then after Crossfire told Smokescreen not to be reckless and disobeying orders. Then there's the part in Minus One where Optimus allowed Ratchet to use a method of breaking open Soundwave that seems harsh.

Those are just some examples of why some people think the Autobots are hyprocrites due to their morals being contradicting as well as delving into morally quiestionable territory ye those isseus never get touched on thus making them self rightous.

Here's a thread that were talking about such things.

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transform ... cites.html

Shadowman wrote:When you are on the losing end of a millenia-old war, and all of your allies can be counted on two hands, while your enemies seem to have an infinite supply of soldiers, you don't exactly have time to go out for dinner and a movie...

Va'al wrote:*PLUG*

You should all check out the Art of Prime book, because reasons.

*END PLUG*

Sabrblade wrote:Being killed off for someone else's benefit isn't typically an acceptable thing.

PrymeStriker wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Being killed off for someone else's benefit isn't typically an acceptable thing.

And being killed off for no reason other than to sell toys is acceptable?

Sabrblade wrote:

PrymeStriker wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Being killed off for someone else's benefit isn't typically an acceptable thing.

And being killed off for no reason other than to sell toys is acceptable?

Where in my post did I say that?

Sabrblade wrote:Being killed off for story progression, if handled well, is okay.

Sabrblade wrote:Being killed off to create angst or turmoil for somebody else's character arc, however, is another case entirely.