Transformers Prime "Triage" Teaser Image

Seems like they are gearing up to release Wheeljack and the Jackhammer play set soon

ratchet has such expressive eyes....like a deep empathy laced with sadness he can barley contain.

whats going on outside the windows?

griftimus prime wrote:whats going on outside the windows?

What do you mean? Looks like they're just flying at night (if that even is a window). Or, are you confusing the side control consoles for windows?

Though, if those are windows, it's probably just a city below them lit up at night.

MTVGeek has posted an exclusive new promo clip for this week's episode of Transformers Prime "Triage". Be sure to tune into the Hub this Saturday at 8:30 PM ET. Check out the embedded video below.

Oh wow, Soundwave lays a beating!
Makes me wonder how one could ever defeat him on equal footing?
Rathcet will probably use the relic on him while he's destracted.

Whoa! Soundwave is an underhanded fighter, using his data link tentacle claw like that.

Who want to be that this will be Soundwave's "Arms Up!" moment in the Japanese dub?

Sick, glad they didn't make Soundwave seem like a weak combatant. Considering he might normally have 4 or more minions to assist in the fight, the tentacle arm is downright fair, haha.

I love how he moves so effortlessly, like systema style.

I figured it out!
Soundwave is Vulcan!
Think about it. Calm , emotionless , loyal , uber skilled with computers , deadly in combat . When he looked at the sword I could just hear a voice saying "Fascinating".
He's like an evil Spock!

Foxbear wrote:I figured it out!
Soundwave is Vulcan!
Think about it. Calm , emotionless , loyal , uber skilled with computers , deadly in combat . When he looked at the sword I could just hear a voice saying "Fascinating".
He's like an evil Spock!

That would be the most logical theory

I can't stand this depiciton of Soundwave, RIDICULOUS.....and as far as WheelJack, THE G1 WheelJack would have had NO chance against the G1 Soundwave...EVER, but different take different era, Soundwave looks like a rip off Cylon Raider from BattleStar Galactica BUT YOU WANNA KNOW WHAT TRULY GET'S UNDER MY SKIN......Transformer Prime's depiction of Optimus himself. OFF THE HOOK insanity...although I liked last weeks episode, BUT Optimus should have been able to DESTROY Dreadwing....why don't they tap into the Matrix lore.....with millions of years of fighting knowledge at Optimus Prime's disposal, and not to mention extra POWER. The tide is never equal when Prime steps onto the battlefield not even Megatron himself would want to face Prime unless an ambush is there for the taking or Prime is clearly outnumbered. There should be a script competition even for Transformers Prime writers to compete in........THEY WOULD LOOSE. Really the only banter that is acceptible is from Starscream to Megs....I like that and I get it and so does everyone else....but to portray Optimus as an equal with Dreadwing......F*&^% insulting.

Borderline It amazes me who comes up with these scripts. I CHALLENGE THEEE...give me an outline and I will give the fans the lore they are looking for.

starscream1974 wrote::CON: I can't stand this depiciton of Soundwave, RIDICULOUS.....and as far as WheelJack, THE G1 WheelJack would have had NO chance against the G1 Soundwave...EVER, but different take different era, Soundwave looks like a rip off Cylon Raider from BattleStar Galactica BUT YOU WANNA KNOW WHAT TRULY GET'S UNDER MY SKIN......Transformer Prime's depiction of Optimus himself. OFF THE HOOK insanity...although I liked last weeks episode, BUT Optimus should have been able to DESTROY Dreadwing....why don't they tap into the Matrix lore.....with millions of years of fighting knowledge at Optimus Prime's disposal, and not to mention extra POWER. The tide is never equal when Prime steps onto the battlefield not even Megatron himself would want to face Prime unless an ambush is there for the taking or Prime is clearly outnumbered. There should be a script competition even for Transformers Prime writers to compete in........THEY WOULD LOOSE. Really the only banter that is acceptible is from Starscream to Megs....I like that and I get it and so does everyone else....but to portray Optimus as an equal with Dreadwing......F*&^% insulting.

Borderline It amazes me who comes up with these scripts. I CHALLENGE THEEE...give me an outline and I will give the fans the lore they are looking for.

I must have been watching a different fight because it looked to me like optimus had his number easy.

I agree. To me it seems as Optimus knows he can hand everyone their arse but respects them as individuals and truly wants to see them abandon the senseless violence once and for all. Makes the season one ending epic because he had finally realized megatron will never change and has to be put down even though he once looked up too and respected him.

Soundwave superior.

That is all.

Oh, yippee, another one who wants attention.

starscream1974 wrote::CON: I can't stand this depiciton of Soundwave, RIDICULOUS.....

Care to elaborate?

starscream1974 wrote:and as far as WheelJack, THE G1 WheelJack would have had NO chance against the G1 Soundwave...EVER, but different take different era,

Yeah, this is not G1 Wheeljack, cuz it's a different Wheeljack in a different series.

starscream1974 wrote:Soundwave looks like a rip off Cylon Raider from BattleStar Galactica

I see no resemblance.

starscream1974 wrote:BUT YOU WANNA KNOW WHAT TRULY GET'S UNDER MY SKIN......Transformer Prime's depiction of Optimus himself. OFF THE HOOK insanity...

"Boring" yes, but "insane"? I don't see it.

starscream1974 wrote:although I liked last weeks episode, BUT Optimus should have been able to DESTROY Dreadwing....why don't they tap into the Matrix lore.....with millions of years of fighting knowledge at Optimus Prime's disposal, and not to mention extra POWER.

The Matrix is an item of wisdom and purity, not a weapon of mass destruction (unless there's a supernatural force of pure evil, only then does it become a Kryptonite nuke).

starscream1974 wrote:The tide is never equal when Prime steps onto the battlefield not even Megatron himself would want to face Prime unless an ambush is there for the taking or Prime is clearly outnumbered.

Um... did you miss their fight during "One Shall Fall"? Neither was holding back and Megatron still got the better of Optimus. Megs would have killed Prime if the other Autobots hadn't stepped in to save him.

starscream1974 wrote:There should be a script competition even for Transformers Prime writers to compete in........THEY WOULD LOOSE. Really the only banter that is acceptible is from Starscream to Megs....I like that and I get it and so does everyone else....but to portray Optimus as an equal with Dreadwing......F*&^% insulting.

Optimus outsmarted Dreadwing and buried him under a ton of snow. I wouldn't exactly call that "insulting".

starscream1974 wrote:Borderline It amazes me who comes up with these scripts. I CHALLENGE THEEE...give me an outline and I will give the fans the lore they are looking for.

Okay, here's one. The Autobots decide to turn their human allies into Kiss Players to power themselves up, while the Decepticons summon aid from the Planet Gobotron. Ready, GO!

I've obvsiously touched on some emotions here. To bad most of you do not understand the true lore of Transformers. Yes it all stems from G1 people and yes the original is far superior to perhaps the lore you follow.....do your homework. It's not about living in the past...its about imagination and creative thinking. Unfortunatley Hollywood has ran out of ideas and most shows are directed towards 2 year olds. I get that individuals want to be just that and break off from the old....BUT IF ITS NOT BROKEN ...DON'T TRY AND FIX IT...You don't see the Cylon rip off there? COME ON in robot form?? Time to check your eye site, perhaps the Raider should have been left out.....here's the deal THE MATRIX is the Autobots Holy Grail and yes it has been a weapon that went nuclear did you not see it blow up Unicron LOL Hilarious.......Do me a favor younglings.....watch G1 from start to finish then wrap up with the Animated Movie....yes been collecting since 1984...yes have all MP's Fansproject..Igear....Perfect Effect......classics.....blah blah...its not about that although you with make it out to be. It's the lore where it originated from which has held up for X amount of years....truthfully speaking their is a big diffrence between collectors and fans I get that....for me DOTM figures are not my taste nor are many others. But I get it...always have always will...does Hollywood and numerous JOKE of cartoon series..nope...you know why...BECUSE THEY DIDN'T DO THEIR HOMEWORK........so do me a favor and do yours I am happy to know that you support the cause Private's and by all means enjoy TF Prime...I know I do, but it could be soooo much better. High Moon Studios did their homework to an extent and look they brought in tons of fans....was it the best game...no...did it have potential..YES....could they build of it....they were given a second chance.....but we all deserve second chances. so don't be a and study some History.

starscream1974 wrote::KREMZEEK: I've obvsiously touched on some emotions here. To bad most of you do not understand the true lore of Transformers. Yes it all stems from G1 people and yes the original is far superior to perhaps the lore you follow.....do your homework. It's not about living in the past...its about imagination and creative thinking. Unfortunatley Hollywood has ran out of ideas and most shows are directed towards 2 year olds. I get that individuals want to be just that and break off from the old....BUT IF ITS NOT BROKEN ...DON'T TRY AND FIX IT...You don't see the Cylon rip off there? COME ON in robot form?? Time to check your eye site, perhaps the Raider should have been left out.....here's the deal THE MATRIX is the Autobots Holy Grail and yes it has been a weapon that went nuclear did you not see it blow up Unicron LOL Hilarious.......Do me a favor younglings.....watch G1 from start to finish then wrap up with the Animated Movie....yes been collecting since 1984...yes have all MP's Fansproject..Igear....Perfect Effect......classics.....blah blah...its not about that although you with make it out to be. It's the lore where it originated from which has held up for X amount of years....truthfully speaking their is a big diffrence between collectors and fans I get that....for me DOTM figures are not my taste nor are many others. But I get it...always have always will...does Hollywood and numerous JOKE of cartoon series..nope...you know why...BECUSE THEY DIDN'T DO THEIR HOMEWORK........so do me a favor and do yours I am happy to know that you support the cause Private's and by all means enjoy TF Prime...I know I do, but it could be soooo much better. High Moon Studios did their homework to an extent and look they brought in tons of fans....was it the best game...no...did it have potential..YES....could they build of it....they were given a second chance.....but we all deserve second chances. so don't be a and study some History.

why wouldn't you watch the animated movie between seasons 2 and 3? as for the rest I'm not sure if your advocating everything should derive from g1 or that we shouldn't live in the past.......so um got any gum?

Blowing bubbles man?......your blowing smoke, wouldn't that be the obvious? Look to me G1 speaks of what started it all season 1,2 the movie ect ect until ALL OR ONE!!! Brudda right up til the Headmaster stuff. I'm just saying for anyone who knows about the lore......THE MATRIX TURNS THE TIDE in the Autobots favor being heavily out gunned and out manned...........who houses the Matrix.....Optimus, hence not even Megatron dare square off with Prime alone......they have strayed from that getting away from the LORE again which is what held all of us 80's kids to their seats.......... Love the banter, look as time passes the lore / history gets forgotten from generation to generation....hence you my Cybertronian buddy ol pal. love the bubble gum comment.....let's see maybe you should get outside and do some fishing or hit the gym .....ohhh and by the way not all Transformer fans are DORKS........but I am a Geek always have been always will be...........BUT I gaurantee you would not say that in my presense. Take care brudda......

Oh dear, here we go again.

starscream1974 wrote::KREMZEEK: I've obvsiously touched on some emotions here. To bad most of you do not understand the true lore of Transformers.

Or, wait, you're serious? True lore? Dude, EVERYTHING from 1984-Present is true lore in some form. G1 is only one fraction of it all.

starscream1974 wrote:Yes it all stems from G1 people and yes the original is far superior to perhaps the lore you follow.....do your homework.

Again, I laugh.

G1 may have come first, but "first" =/= "best". Several other series have far surpassed G1 in so many ways. Writing, consistency, character development, editing, animation, directing, voice acting, scripting, drama, action, comedy, gravitas, and so much more. Granted not EVERY series after G1 is better than G1 (some are indeed inferior), but there are still a few that have vastly surpassed G1 in several certain regards. The G1 cartoon in particular is at best an average TF cartoon.

starscream1974 wrote:It's not about living in the past...

Sure strongly feels like it.

starscream1974 wrote:its about imagination and creative thinking.

And there's plenty of that in several post-G1 series.

starscream1974 wrote:Unfortunatley Hollywood has ran out of ideas and most shows are directed towards 2 year olds.

1. Hollywood has nothing to do with Transformers: Prime. Hasbro Studios makes this show.

2. If you seriously think this show is geared towards 2 year olds, then you must think the same of Lord of the Rings and The Dark Knight.

starscream1974 wrote:I get that individuals want to be just that and break off from the old....BUT IF ITS NOT BROKEN ...DON'T TRY AND FIX IT...

Sure, because "imagination and creative thinking" must certain equate to "repetition of old ideas without any innovation or development".</sarcasm>

This just screams "GEEWUN", right here.

starscream1974 wrote:You don't see the Cylon rip off there? COME ON in robot form?? Time to check your eye site, perhaps the Raider should have been left out.....

You didn't say which mode. Since the cyclon Raider was a ship, the Vehicle Mode was logically what first came to mind.

And, frankly, the Cylon Raider itself looks inspired by a lot of other designs from other sci-fi series, so you shouldn't be talking.

starscream1974 wrote:here's the deal THE MATRIX is the Autobots Holy Grail and yes it has been a weapon that went nuclear did you not see it blow up Unicron LOL Hilarious.......

I said "unless there's a supernatural force of pure evil", which Unicron counts as. The Matrix is only used to destroy things of pure evil and chaos, not natural lower level evils (like Megatron).

starscream1974 wrote:Do me a favor younglings.....watch G1 from start to finish then wrap up with the Animated Movie....

The 1986 movie takes place between seasons 2 and 3. Or are you saying to not watch seasons 3 and 4? If so, then, hate to break it you ya, but the G1 cartoon ends well after the movie. If you say to watch from "start to finish" but then say to stop at the movie, then you're being very hypocritical and no one will take you seriously.

starscream1974 wrote:yes been collecting since 1984...

And? So have several others here who also like later stuff. Doesn't matter in the long run.

starscream1974 wrote:yes have all MP's Fansproject..Igear....Perfect Effect......classics.....blah blah...

So, you collect stuff from later lines while also speaking out against later lines. I'm thinking of a word that rhymes with "shmipocrisy".

starscream1974 wrote:its not about that although you with make it out to be.

When has anyone here brought up the toys in this conversation?

starscream1974 wrote:It's the lore where it originated from which has held up for X amount of years....

Speaking of hypocrisy, you've been saying how the original is what we should focus on, yet you say to watch the G1 cartoon? News flash, the G1 cartoon did NOT come first. The G1 Marvel Comics did. You speak of being a G1-originalist yet focus on the cartoon, when the comic preceded the cartoon by several months. By your logic, the comic's coming first automatically makes it superior to the cartoon. Plain and simple.

starscream1974 wrote:truthfully speaking their is a big diffrence between collectors and fans I get that....for me DOTM figures are not my taste nor are many others.

Then why bring up the toys in the first place if you've openly admitted that that's not an issue here?

starscream1974 wrote:But I get it...always have always will...does Hollywood and numerous JOKE of cartoon series..nope...you know why...BECUSE THEY DIDN'T DO THEIR HOMEWORK........so do me a favor and do yours

Do your own homework. Again, Hollywood has nothing to do with this. Hasbro Studios makes Prime.

starscream1974 wrote:I am happy to know that you support the cause Private's and by all means enjoy TF Prime...I know I do, but it could be soooo much better.

First true thing you've said thus far. Prime can indeed be so much better, but not for the reasons you've given.

starscream1974 wrote:High Moon Studios did their homework to an extent and look they brought in tons of fans....was it the best game...no...did it have potential..YES....could they build of it....they were given a second chance.....but we all deserve second chances. so don't be a and study some History.

Take your own advice and you'd see that not only are War for Cybertron and Fall of Cybertron NOT based in G1, but are also in direct conflict with the G1 cartoon, ignoring and outright defying several key aspects of it, such as how Orion Pax became Optimus Prime, how the Dinobots were created, how Trypticon was created, and so much more.

starscream1974 wrote: Blowing bubbles man?......your blowing smoke, wouldn't that be the obvious?

You're only making yourself look worse, man.

starscream1974 wrote:Look to me G1 speaks of what started it all season 1,2 the movie ect ect until ALL OR ONE!!!

Seasons 3 and 4 came after the movie. Don't ignore them or you're contradicting yourself.

starscream1974 wrote:Brudda right up til the Headmaster stuff.

You do realize that there was still more after The rebirth, right? Like, Optimus Prime being a Powermaster in the "best of" fifth season, in which he told stories of their history to Tommy Kennedy.

starscream1974 wrote:I'm just saying for anyone who knows about the lore......THE MATRIX TURNS THE TIDE in the Autobots favor being heavily out gunned and out manned...........who houses the Matrix.....Optimus, hence not even Megatron dare square off with Prime alone......they have strayed from that getting away from the LORE again which is what held all of us 80's kids to their seats..........

And yet, Optimus Prime never once used the Matrix to win battles against the Decepticons in the G1 cartoon. Nor did Rodimus Prime. They only ever used the Matrix twice in the cartoon, and both were against greater forces of chaos than the Decepticons ever were. If the Matrix was this big superweapon that could swiftly end the war, why didn't Optimus use it in G1? Because THAT'S NOT HOW THE MATRIX IS USED.

starscream1974 wrote:Love the banter, look as time passes the lore / history gets forgotten from generation to generation....

You really must have NO idea what you're talking about since the very foundation of not just TF: Prime but the whole Aligned continuity consists of elements taken directly from the past 25+ years of TF history. HISTORY is the very thing that makes the world of TF: Prime be what it is. Take your own advice and go do your own research.

starscream1974 wrote:hence you my Cybertronian buddy ol pal. love the bubble gum comment.....let's see maybe you should get outside and do some fishing or hit the gym .....ohhh and by the way not all Transformer fans are DORKS........

Yet you seem to be insinuating that njb902 is with those smart remarks of yours.

starscream1974 wrote:but I am a Geek always have been always will be...........BUT I gaurantee you would not say that in my presense. Take care brudda......

Anyone who's into TF is a geek. That goes without saying.

starscream1974 wrote::CON: Blowing bubbles man?......your blowing smoke, wouldn't that be the obvious? Look to me G1 speaks of what started it all season 1,2 the movie ect ect until ALL OR ONE!!! Brudda right up til the Headmaster stuff. I'm just saying for anyone who knows about the lore......THE MATRIX TURNS THE TIDE in the Autobots favor being heavily out gunned and out manned...........who houses the Matrix.....Optimus, hence not even Megatron dare square off with Prime alone......they have strayed from that getting away from the LORE again which is what held all of us 80's kids to their seats.......... Love the banter, look as time passes the lore / history gets forgotten from generation to generation....hence you my Cybertronian buddy ol pal. love the bubble gum comment.....let's see maybe you should get outside and do some fishing or hit the gym .....ohhh and by the way not all Transformer fans are DORKS........but I am a Geek always have been always will be...........BUT I gaurantee you would not say that in my presense. Take care brudda......

I'm just trying to say I don't really understand your argument. take a second and just try to organize your thoughts a little, your all over the place. just take a little constructive criticism here and chill a little.

starscream1974 wrote::CON: Blowing bubbles man?......your blowing smoke, wouldn't that be the obvious? Look to me G1 speaks of what started it all season 1,2 the movie ect ect until ALL OR ONE!!! Brudda right up til the Headmaster stuff. I'm just saying for anyone who knows about the lore......THE MATRIX TURNS THE TIDE in the Autobots favor being heavily out gunned and out manned...........who houses the Matrix.....Optimus, hence not even Megatron dare square off with Prime alone......they have strayed from that getting away from the LORE again which is what held all of us 80's kids to their seats.......... Love the banter, look as time passes the lore / history gets forgotten from generation to generation....hence you my Cybertronian buddy ol pal. love the bubble gum comment.....let's see maybe you should get outside and do some fishing or hit the gym .....ohhh and by the way not all Transformer fans are DORKS........but I am a Geek always have been always will be...........BUT I gaurantee you would not say that in my presense. Take care brudda......

*looks at sabrblade's flurry of blows/posts*



Mate, better stop fast before you go down any further...

Anyways, had to release this into the wild though; if Optimus and Dreadwing were on equal footing in triangulation (granted Optimus gave Dreadwing a chance) and Wheeljack got kicked around by Soundwave, where does this actually put Soundwave? If dreadwing were to confront Wheeljack would the result be the same for the poor Wrecker, or Soundwave has quite a fighting experience that nobody really noticed?

Now I'm stoked of how Shockwave is going to be portrayed in TFPrime...

Hierophant wrote:

starscream1974 wrote::CON: Blowing bubbles man?......your blowing smoke, wouldn't that be the obvious? Look to me G1 speaks of what started it all season 1,2 the movie ect ect until ALL OR ONE!!! Brudda right up til the Headmaster stuff. I'm just saying for anyone who knows about the lore......THE MATRIX TURNS THE TIDE in the Autobots favor being heavily out gunned and out manned...........who houses the Matrix.....Optimus, hence not even Megatron dare square off with Prime alone......they have strayed from that getting away from the LORE again which is what held all of us 80's kids to their seats.......... Love the banter, look as time passes the lore / history gets forgotten from generation to generation....hence you my Cybertronian buddy ol pal. love the bubble gum comment.....let's see maybe you should get outside and do some fishing or hit the gym .....ohhh and by the way not all Transformer fans are DORKS........but I am a Geek always have been always will be...........BUT I gaurantee you would not say that in my presense. Take care brudda......

*looks at sabrblade's flurry of blows/posts*



Mate, better stop fast before you go down any further...

Anyways, had to release this into the wild though; if Optimus and Dreadwing were on equal footing in triangulation (granted Optimus gave Dreadwing a chance) and Wheeljack got kicked around by Soundwave, where does this actually put Soundwave? If dreadwing were to confront Wheeljack would the result be the same for the poor Wrecker, or Soundwave has quite a fighting experience that nobody really noticed?

Now I'm stoked of how Shockwave is going to be portrayed in TFPrime...

well consider how easily he took down airachnid.

I get that, and actual again I like the banter. Truthfully speaking I am not all over the place....we are talking maybe 5-6 observations. I never personally said anything to anyone about questioning intelligence ( Bubble Gum ref ) I'm just saying there was magic to the G1 era and yeah maybe people get tired of hearing that and you know can't relate because they were not born in that era......that doesn't mean they are lame or do not have the same passion as Hardcore fans.......I'm just saying.......Soundwave looks like a rip off Cylon...Prime's Matrix should give him the edge and not just with knowledge ( its sacred / magic man ..the Decepticons do not have a Matrix ) Look I am a Steam Punk fan,,,,,,have all three with Cyclops pre-ordered....I passed on Hercules to get a more G1 Dev from Maketoys..that doesn't mean I wouldnt want to check out anyone elses collection........that being said the Original Lore can be and always will be relevant and if I were in charge of the stories it would be that much more original / magical.......becuase that was what captured all of us 25 year plus fans man................Its like the Star Wars gig...you can't tell me that 1, 2 , 3 were even close to 4, 5, 6 and they had better CGI and blah blah....its all about the story. And I agree with you brudda...I would rather talk to you than at you. So I do apologize for being a LOL
I appreciate your support with Transformers and keep it going

totally agree with ya on the star wars thing, just because they stick a label on something dosnt make it awesome.

I don't agree with the cylon comparison though, his faceplate is to plain. I guess the bodies look a little alike so there is that.

don't get me wrong I love g1. I just don't think everything has to enslave itself to its memory. if a show/Hasbro wants to branch out in a different manner I'm all for it I like change. some changes work and some don't but I like to take the ride to see.

starscream1974 wrote:I'm just saying there was magic to the G1 era

And the magic only increased as more series came along to enhance the richness of the lore to make it what it is today.

starscream1974 wrote:and yeah maybe people get tired of hearing that and you know can't relate because they were not born in that era......

What about those who DID grow up on G1 in the 80's but prefer later series more? They could be tired of hearing for other reasons.

starscream1974 wrote:that doesn't mean they are lame or do not have the same passion as Hardcore fans.......

I'm a hardcore fan and yet I was born in the 90's. One does not have to have been there from the beginning to be a hardcore fan.

starscream1974 wrote:I'm just saying.......Soundwave looks like a rip off Cylon...

Opinion, not fact.

starscream1974 wrote:Prime's Matrix should give him the edge and not just with knowledge ( its sacred / magic man ..the Decepticons do not have a Matrix )

Matrix may in fact be giving him wisdom of alternatives to fighting? It's not a weapon of war. It is a symbol of leadership. And sometimes the best leader is the one who chooses not to fight. Diplomacy and reasoning can at times be the more powerful act than killing and murdering.

starscream1974 wrote:Look I am a Steam Punk fan,,,,,,have all three with Cyclops pre-ordered....I passed on Hercules to get a more G1 Dev from Maketoys..that doesn't mean I wouldnt want to check out anyone elses collection........

This isn't about the toys. Why bring this up again?

starscream1974 wrote:that being said the Original Lore can be and always will be relevant and if I were in charge of the stories it would be that much more original / magical.......becuase that was what captured all of us 25 year plus fans man................

Translation: "Geewun is better than anything else because I say so."

And, not everything that worked back then works now. A LOT of G1 is very dated. What was good for the 80s may very well not be fit for the present. Some of what was magical back then has really lost its luster over time. Don't let nostalgia keep you from seeing quality and effort (or a lack therof). G1 was good for its time, but it does not fully hold up 100%.

Saberblade brings up various great points. Even though I tend to like G1 the most, I have to admit that several newer storylines surpass it. While I do wish that some things were more G1 based, that is an opinion, not a fact that you should try correcting people with.

Sabrblade wrote:

starscream1974 wrote:The tide is never equal when Prime steps onto the battlefield not even Megatron himself would want to face Prime unless an ambush is there for the taking or Prime is clearly outnumbered.

Um... did you miss their fight during "One Shall Fall"? Neither was holding back and Megatron still got the better of Optimus. Megs would have killed Prime if the other Autobots hadn't stepped in to save him.

I did see that fight. Optimus *almost* overwhelmed Megatron - and then Megs got a "second wind" of sorts thanks to that Dark Energon. So yeah, Megs almost got Optimus, but that Dark Energon in his system certainly gave him an advantage.

Sabrblade wrote:

starscream1974 wrote:I'm just saying there was magic to the G1 era

And the magic only increased as more series came along to enhance the richness of the lore to make it what it is today.

That's one of the reasons why Transformers has lasted as long as it has; it is continually evolving and reshaping itself with each new depiction. Which is necessary for any long running franchise.

Ohhh The Horror. If your tired of the Original Lore, then you don't know what Good is my friends. Opinion yes that is my opinion, Take a pole my friend, Gi Soundwave is one of the baddest looking robots around....use him. Having a Prowl in CGI over a Bulkhead.....you gonna tell me your would take that road? Come on man....just agree because you know you do and your just making for an argument......just becuase, you have your voice....and I got mine. I'm not gonna line for line your responses ...but take it from me, you sorta got it backwards my friends........it's not about when you were born or....what you have in your collection, its about the passion and lore. Sorry bro it is what it is. But I'll take it .......fact is I enjoy Transformers Prime...and there line of Voyagers although Dr Wu is really turning my head with the add ons.WheelJack Blades in route..... Anyways..............Back to the orginal action

Soundwave looks like a Cylon

A lot of the lore that was so awwww inspiring was lost over the years ( I know a good movie when i see one, 300 was awesome.....Immortals was Ok ) YES say whatever you want...and I am ever so happy that its helped with the run it has had AMAZING and still will keep going. But no matter what you say...it's not as deep as it could be with the history of the origins at there disposal...the way their personalities were more vibarant........... whatever. But make no mistake in no shape form or fashion would I have a problem with B.Sing with you at Botcon or whatever and just talking about good ol Transformers.......its all good.

One does not simply challenge sabrblade. Reas his signature. Theres a reason for that.

And too many ellipses. Methinks trolls be afoot.

No trolls,,,,, just a Transformer fan like you. Relax..... anyways. I am looking foward to Transfomers Prime this weekend to see how WheelJack fairs against a Cylon LOL made you laugh...seriously though.....didn't they mention the Dinobots are being introduced this year?
What's your take on Starscream and this new battle suit?

starscream1974 wrote:No trolls,,,,, just a Transformer fan like you. Relax..... anyways. I am looking foward to Transfomers Prime this weekend to see how WheelJack fairs against a Cylon LOL made you laugh...seriously though.....didn't they mention the Dinobots are being introduced this year?
What's your take on Starscream and this new battle suit?

Just googled Cylon (I've never watched BG) and if anything protoform from armada look like cylons, not soundwave.

I like the fact that screamer got the apex armor. I like how it makes the wearer physically invulnerable. However, I HATE the way it looks on him. Maybe it could look better on someone else, but as is I hate the way it looks.

As far as the dinobots go, I think someone else would know that. Probably Sabrblade or shadowman.

Herpde double post.

While I do have to agree that G1 Soundwave has a better overall design, and Prowl is a much more wanted character by fans... That's still opinion... Same goes with what you think about Prime Soundwave's design. I also do agree in some cases about the more vibrant personalities in G1. However, you still have to admit, G1 is beaten in a lot of their storylines and other aspects. Most of the G1 storylines were Megatron making a plan, the Autobots coming around, Megatron's plan failed, and Starscream still insisting on being leader. The fight scenes are also kinda goofy in G1, too. In this aspect, it's like comparing 60s Batman to the Dark Knight movie! I'm just going to leave it at they both have strengths and weaknesses, and you can't just say G1 is the best because you said so. I'm curious what Saber has to say about this...

Who's Saber? whatever....all your take is opinion to.... great man awesome....don't agree, but at least we agree on one thing we are Transformers fan. Great stuff. I just opened AM Megartron and I am very happy with his asthetics....really cool

Got the ol' DVR set. This is going to be epic!

Its amazing how many Gen1 guys have been heightened in this new series.

Can't we agree the old sound wave had alot of mystery about him. He was certainly Megatron's most trusted soldier. (although he didn't do squat when Starscream dumped him outta Astrotrain )

BUT I can see the new Soundwave is even more mysterious. Doesn't even talk. I think we are itching to see a origin story with this Prime series. Hopefully the writers won't wimp out and say "Well that would ruin his character."

The sheer amount of fear he seems to generate among the smarter seems to suggest that he is not to be messed with. Although he doesn't always resort quickly to violence. When he does hit it is always precise and hard.

The fact that he doesn't speak makes him unpredictable and it shows that he listens. Perhaps he is always listening.

The new Soundwave kicks much ass and should be appreciated.

My only comment will be this:

I love G1. It was the original TF series and it will always be special. However, it is far from the best series. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion of course, and I really feel that Prime combines many of the best elements from TF series down the years into a very neat and very likeable package. It is currently my favorite iteration of the series.

I understand that people can love G1 so much that it makes other TF series look like knock-offs to them, but I don't understand why. G1 is NOT PERFECT.

Example, two words: Sub-Atlantica. Really??????

Autobot Strider wrote:My only comment will be this:

I love G1. It was the original TF series and it will always be special. However, it is far from the best series. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion of course, and I really feel that Prime combines many of the best elements from TF series down the years into a very neat and very likeable package. It is currently my favorite iteration of the series.

I understand that people can love G1 so much that it makes other TF series look like knock-offs to them, but I don't understand why. G1 is NOT PERFECT.

Example, two words: Sub-Atlantica. Really??????

People who cling to their childhood memories will always whine and complain. While those who are inspired will drive forward to make something better.

Hoo, boy! Lots to reply to here, and not just from starscream1974 (I knew I shouldn't have gone to bed before taking one last look at this thread ).

starscream1974 wrote::CON: Ohhh The Horror. If your tired of the Original Lore, then you don't know what Good is my friends.

That's a matter of opinion. There are those who simply prefer later series. Nothing wrong with that.

However, the lores of nearly all later series are almost always derived from G1 lore, so there's little for you to complain about.

Plus, as I said before, the G1 cartoon DID NOT COME FIRST. The G1 Marvel comics did. So, what you're calling the "Original Lore" came SECOND in the creation of the Transformers fiction, thus making it NOT be the "Original Lore". Why, the comics even out-lived the cartoon by FOUR YEARS, going from 1984-1991, while the cartoon only lasted from 1984-1987 (unless you count the "fifth season" of reruns with new footage in 1988).

starscream1974 wrote:Opinion yes that is my opinion, Take a pole my friend, Gi Soundwave is one of the baddest looking robots around....use him. Having a Prowl in CGI over a Bulkhead.....you gonna tell me your would take that road? Come on man....

G1 Soundwave's look doesn't fit this show's art style.

Bulkhead was supposed to be Ironhide, until they realized that the character they were making was more like Bulkhead than Ironhide, so they instead went with Bulkhead.

As for Prowl, look at this:

starscream1974 wrote:just agree because you know you do and your just making for an argument......just becuase, you have your voice....and I got mine. I'm not gonna line for line your responses ...but take it from me, you sorta got it backwards my friends........

Word of advice. This kind of arrogance and conceit will only do you more harm than good.

starscream1974 wrote:it's not about when you were born or....what you have in your collection, its about the passion and lore. Sorry bro it is what it is.

And plenty of us also have such passion about the Transformers, but that doesn't make us Geewunners.

starscream1974 wrote:Soundwave looks like a Cylon

To you, not to everyone else.

starscream1974 wrote:A lot of the lore that was so awwww inspiring was lost over the years ( I know a good movie when i see one, 300 was awesome.....Immortals was Ok ) YES say whatever you want...and I am ever so happy that its helped with the run it has had AMAZING and still will keep going. But no matter what you say...it's not as deep as it could be with the history of the origins at there disposal...

I don't know how much you've read into G1 without adding in your own interpretations of it, since G1 wasn't all that deep at plenty of times.

From your personal standpoint, G1 was magnificent. but if you would just look at it from a clean, objective standpoint, you would see that G1 was far from perfect. It had flaws. Plenty of them. Animations errors, continuity errors, inconsistencies, production and technical flaws, and so much more.

Though, that isn't to say that all the other series were flawless, no. They had problems too. But the fact that G1 came first does not exempt it from its own faults and mistakes. Many later series have less errors than G1 simply because they had a better grasp on editing, proofreading, and the resources to fix said errors; resources that G1 never had. The later series have been made with less flaws because of what was learned from the mistakes made in G1. Things improve over time, and the later series are proof of that.

starscream1974 wrote:the way their personalities were more vibarant...........

About half of the original G1 cast consisted of one-dimensional characters due to the large quantity of them. Not every character got fleshed out.

Like, take Ratchet for example. Name one episode where just Ratchet held the spotlight of focus the whole time and we got a good insightful look at the character's personality and history.

crazyjeffy wrote:One does not simply challenge sabrblade. Reas his signature. Theres a reason for that.

I... I'm lost for words about this.

But... I like such challenges. They make for good intelligent conversation.

As for my sig, allow me to explain. When one makes a compliment as nice, funny, or likeable as those I've got in my sig now, I quote them in my sig, so as to pay tribute to them and show my respects for their kind words. I'd probably quote your words here and add them to my sig as well, but I've since run out of space for anymore quotes. And since I've run out of room, any and all images/videos/links/etc. I once had in my sig are now all gone, due to making more room for other people's quotes.

crazyjeffy wrote:Just googled Cylon (I've never watched BG) and if anything protoform from armada look like cylons, not soundwave.

He meant the Cyclon Raider, a ship they use.

crazyjeffy wrote:

starscream1974 wrote:seriously though.....didn't they mention the Dinobots are being introduced this year?

As far as the dinobots go, I think someone else would know that. Probably Sabrblade or shadowman.

They've said that the Dinobots are "on the radar", which is vague enough to mean a number of things. My guess is that, if they do show up, it won't be until much later on like near the end of season 2 or in season 3.

Optimus1116 wrote:While I do have to agree that G1 Soundwave has a better overall design, and Prowl is a much more wanted character by fans... That's still opinion... Same goes with what you think about Prime Soundwave's design. I also do agree in some cases about the more vibrant personalities in G1. However, you still have to admit, G1 is beaten in a lot of their storylines and other aspects. Most of the G1 storylines were Megatron making a plan, the Autobots coming around, Megatron's plan failed, and Starscream still insisting on being leader. The fight scenes are also kinda goofy in G1, too. In this aspect, it's like comparing 60s Batman to the Dark Knight movie! I'm just going to leave it at they both have strengths and weaknesses, and you can't just say G1 is the best because you said so. I'm curious what Saber has to say about this...

What I have to say is this: THANK YOU! You've stated pretty much everything I would have.

starscream1974 wrote:Who's Saber?

Me. I'm Saber, or rather, Sabr (some like to add an extra E to my screename).

AlexSpastic wrote:Its amazing how many Gen1 guys have been heightened in this new series.

Can't we agree the old sound wave had alot of mystery about him. He was certainly Megatron's most trusted soldier. (although he didn't do squat when Starscream dumped him outta Astrotrain )

Yeah, that... that was completely out of character for him. Onew moment he's all, "As you command, Megatron," the next he's all "Starscream dumped Megatron outside to die... oh well, Soundwave superior." That completely went against all that he stood for up until that point (being Megatron's loyal yes man).

crazyjeffy wrote:BUT I can see the new Soundwave is even more mysterious. Doesn't even talk. I think we are itching to see a origin story with this Prime series. Hopefully the writers won't wimp out and say "Well that would ruin his character."

WFC and Exodus already cover that. As well as Ratchet's flashback in "One Shall Rise - Part 3".

crazyjeffy wrote:The sheer amount of fear he seems to generate among the smarter seems to suggest that he is not to be messed with. Although he doesn't always resort quickly to violence. When he does hit it is always precise and hard.

The fact that he doesn't speak makes him unpredictable and it shows that he listens. Perhaps he is always listening.

The new Soundwave kicks much ass and should be appreciated.

The ironic factor about Prime Soundwave is that, in spite of his apparent coolness, he's the one character who's never been given any focus on in any episode. Not once has he had an episode centered around himself. He may be the least seen of all the Decepticons in this series.

Autobot Strider wrote:My only comment will be this:

I love G1. It was the original TF series and it will always be special. However, it is far from the best series. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion of course, and I really feel that Prime combines many of the best elements from TF series down the years into a very neat and very likeable package. It is currently my favorite iteration of the series.

I understand that people can love G1 so much that it makes other TF series look like knock-offs to them, but I don't understand why. G1 is NOT PERFECT.

Example, two words: Sub-Atlantica. Really??????

If I had cookies, I'd be handing them out to you and several others here.

AlexSpastic wrote:People who cling to their childhood memories will always whine and complain. While those who are inspired will drive forward to make something better.

We really need a cookie emoticon, so I can give some out to you guys.

The official Transformers facebook page has posted another teaser image from tomorrow's new episode of Transformers Prime "Triage". Check it out below, and don't forget to tune into the Hub tomorrow evening at 8:30 PM ET.

Wheeljack takes the spotlight in this exclusive image from tomorrow's new episode of Transformers Prime, Saturday at 8:30 pm ET on The Hub. And don't forget to watch a new Transformers Rescue Bots at 9:30 am, with special guest-voice Tim Curry!

"Wheeljack takes the spotlight"

Sorry, Soundwave fans.

Though, looks like Soundwave's just standing there chilling as Wheeljack looks at that doohickey he's holding.

Sabrblade wrote:"Wheeljack takes the spotlight"

Sorry, Soundwave fans.

Though, looks like Soundwave's just standing there chilling as Wheeljack looks at that doohickey he's holding.

I dont know what that is, but I dont think that's soundwave.

I think it means that jackie is taking the spotlight of that picture maybe.

And it looks like he's holding his belt bomb thing. Also, it looks kinda like soundwave's arm. This does raise questions.

BeastProwl wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:"Wheeljack takes the spotlight"

Sorry, Soundwave fans.

Though, looks like Soundwave's just standing there chilling as Wheeljack looks at that doohickey he's holding.

I dont know what that is, but I dont think that's soundwave.

Looks like part of the Jackhammer

Crosshairs wrote:

BeastProwl wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:"Wheeljack takes the spotlight"

Sorry, Soundwave fans.

Though, looks like Soundwave's just standing there chilling as Wheeljack looks at that doohickey he's holding.

I dont know what that is, but I dont think that's soundwave.

Looks like part of the Jackhammer

I can definitely see that

What would have been pretty badass was if Soundwave had used Wheeljack's sword to counter attack instead of just throwing it at Wheeljack.

Oh yes! Finally, Soundwave is a main character in one of these episodes. I've been looking forward to this for a long time, seeing Soundwave in action again.

Sabrblade wrote:As for Prowl, look at this:

Where did you find this? /\ I've been suspecting/hoping Prowl would show up. Is there anything more that the image?

I'm almost positive that's from the Transformers: Universe mmo

Foxbear wrote:Where did you find this? /\ I've been suspecting/hoping Prowl would show up. Is there anything more that the image?

It's on tfwiki.net