Transformers Ongoing #15- Five Page Preview

i really wish furman was back on this book.I can"t seem to get in to it now a days.The one thing we have to look foward to now is at least megatron is backso lets see if things pick up

Wow, 3 pages of a news report again? I thought Costa was getting a bit better at this. It's really sad when even Sonic the hedgehog comics are more fun to read and have more story than TFs these days I'll still read it when I get the chance, but so far It's not looking like an improvement.

Soundwave is so totally like "ME? Mwa?"

Alright, I'm gonna say this as delicately as possible. Costa needs to either retire or move to Marvel and fuck up their comic books.

I liked this issue. Explained alot about what had happened to Megatron after all hail and what exactly is up with the Megatron guns. Can't wait until next issue.

Furman knew his story arcs and was adept at placing something down in one issue only to pick it up and use it 10 issues later. He also kept the pace fairly tight. There is some interesting stuff going on in the book (I do want to find out what has happened, especially to Rodimus and Galvatron), but everything seems to have bogged down on earth for no particularly good reason. At the very start of the IDW run the Autobots accepted that earth was going to go the way of all other Decepticon conquests throughout the galaxy and be wiped out. Now they just sort of seem stuck here. Why does Megatron keep coming back? Why these endless stories about Skywatch?

There's a coloring error on page 5. Megatron's arm is colored as though it was Starscream's. Adding insult to injury.

Like the previous issue I won't be buying this.

I want something that actually resembles a TF comic.

What I want to know is...

How is there a Megatron head on Earth that they are making the guns from, and how is there a Megatron with a head up in space? Regeneration?

*sighs* Yet again, we get a 5-page preview that is only 3 pages of comics and 2 pages of humans being douchey. Methinks they are getting the hint that we don't like the bot-art and make us BUY the comic to see Transformers...only to be disappointed and sickened with Don's BSC art.

Until Don either changes his art style or IDW tosses him off the project, my money will not be handed over for this title. It is, and always will be, unacceptable.

This art is bad.

I like the movie designs and style in the movie universe. Get this shit out of my G1.

deleated

Orin_Thomas wrote:Furman knew his story arcs and was adept at placing something down in one issue only to pick it up and use it 10 issues later. He also kept the pace fairly tight. There is some interesting stuff going on in the book (I do want to find out what has happened, especially to Rodimus and Galvatron), but everything seems to have bogged down on earth for no particularly good reason. At the very start of the IDW run the Autobots accepted that earth was going to go the way of all other Decepticon conquests throughout the galaxy and be wiped out. Now they just sort of seem stuck here. Why does Megatron keep coming back? Why these endless stories about Skywatch?

IDW editorial

someone there thinks TF fans actually want to read stories about humans on earth, despite decades of much lauded stories that involve neither and a fan base that damn near creams itself when the notion of cybertron or alien world based stories rear their heads.

till this changes were stuck with this crap.

on the preview.

its actually quite good

ok its nothing i WANT to read about and have no intention of buying this but at least now theyre actually trying to address the more moronic aspects of the ongoings storyline.

but it does show up the sheer painfull pacing as its took 15 issues to get here and were STILL expected to buy people getting space guns off the internet with no problems or questions asked.

and once again we get a "transformers" preview with virtually NO transformers in it. just megs, who does - nothing - as theres no space left in the preview for him to do anything except talk about some bollocks to do with amonia.

this series is a lost cause to me.

Sooooo . . . Hot Rod was blasted out into space with the Matrix, but there it is still around Starscream's neck on the cover? All right, it's a cover, meant to just garner interest, so I'll sort of let that slide. And I won't even say a word about how casually Megs shot said Hot Rod and said Matrix into space even though he was very enthusiastic about getting said Matrix (when Furman was writing) and made a point of telling Prime he was leaving Earth with it just before he was shot in the face.
But Megatron wants solitude so much to mull over his plans he can't put up with some ammonia gas hanging in the air??? And if he could get out of his chamber previously, why didn't he march straight to HQ and kick Starscream's ass out of his throne, injuries or not? He was waiting to look good in his new threads while he did it?? I know I'm showing my age here, but check out TF #6 from the old Marvel series to see how a critically injured Megs comes out of stasis and takes on Shockwave for usurping command from him. Yeah, he lost, but at least you saw some passion out of his character and a helluva lot of action as well.

Everytime they post a preview for IDW, all of the posters are replaced with whiny 5 year olds who's mommies may or may not know they are on the internet.

Seriously, what a ton of whiners. If you don't want to read it or don't like it, ignore it like any intelligent, sane, adult would. Crying about it on the internet is for babies so get over it.

First-Aid wrote:Everytime they post a preview for IDW, all of the posters are replaced with whiny 5 year olds who's mommies may or may not know they are on the internet.

Seriously, what a ton of whiners. If you don't want to read it or don't like it, ignore it like any intelligent, sane, adult would. Crying about it on the internet is for babies so get over it.

But we cry about everything over the internet. That's why it's here right? It wouldn't do me any good to cry to myself.

I actually just read the full issue. It's good. If DM does not review it, I will, but I am pretty sure he is working on it right now. Art aside, the writing here is good, and some recent things tie up nicely, with a few things obviously still hanging.

Lots answers to questions, including the comic cover with Starscream and the matrix and Soundwave, my question about Megatron, and lots more.

I was pleased when it was done, but that may be because my favorite Autobot bruiser is going solo next issue!!!!

Wish Don would go more traditional with his art.

*dull surprise*

First-Aid wrote:Everytime they post a preview for IDW, all of the posters are replaced with whiny 5 year olds who's mommies may or may not know they are on the internet.

Seriously, what a ton of whiners. If you don't want to read it or don't like it, ignore it like any intelligent, sane, adult would. Crying about it on the internet is for babies so get over it.

Hear-hear. Let us not use this website designed for the promotion and open discussion of a subject we hold near and dear to our hearts for the purpose it was intended. Let us log on here periodically, look at the shiny pictures, smile in agreement, and log off without uttering a discouraging word.
Perhaps we whine because we care. Not that it is G1, not that we are old farts or sniveling babies, but because in all incarnations of this brand "it is a world transformed, where things are not what they seem." A universe of magic and adventure which appealed to us in our younger days as strongly as Tolkien's or Lucas's creations did, the wonder of which we would like to pass on to our children and our future grandchildren, if it is not snuffed out by continual retcons, hack directors, and writers who think alien conflict on a galactic scale consists of sitting on your butt doing nothing but infighting for the better part of two years.

All those humans look either stoned or like they JUST woke up in every panel.

First-Aid wrote:Everytime they post a preview for IDW, all of the posters are replaced with whiny 5 year olds who's mommies may or may not know they are on the internet.

Seriously, what a ton of whiners. If you don't want to read it or don't like it, ignore it like any intelligent, sane, adult would. Crying about it on the internet is for babies so get over it.

So, should we just be upset that we exist on said Internet as more or less anonymous people who are judged to be children by others because we don't share a single opinion? Or maybe we are children, who are misusing a discussion board as a place to exchange ideas and opinions, instead of its intended purpose as a place of singular opinion and mindless acceptance. Oh, and while we're at it, we can selectively enforce the concept that we are not valued as fans of a product, and that we are secondary units in the economic machine that promotes the buying of real-world valueless plastic to children, despite the fact that we purchase said plastic as well. Or maybe we just shouldn't enjoy and/or want something to enjoy out of something we, well, enjoy. But let us not forget to enlarge the front part of our jeans when a Throttlebot or other such who-cares-about'em character shows up in the pages of a comic, elated that 'someone cares about us as fans' in the midst of an industry that doens't acknowledge us because we are not the children we are purported to be on the Internet for not just accepting everything?

I think the most mature way to deal with internet hostility in regards to an attack on a proclaimed opinion is to ignore it. I mean... does any of these bits of pixelated words mean anything? no. Take and leave what you want. Simple. Unless you just wanna screw with people a bit... then by all means I can see the appeal, it can be amusing. Not like we can escape darwinism anyway.

MINDVVIPE wrote:. Not like we can escape darwinism anyway.

You are 100% correct. I just find it really tiresome that if you like/don't like something, it's clearly due to you being a child and/or neckbeard. It kind of lowers the collective value of the entire fandom.

Sorry, First-Aid.

Okay, first cover is of the worst Megatron in the franchise's history. Second cover looks like it's a pardoy fanart and third makes me cry for Sideswipe.

Seriously, this used to be good.

Dagon wrote:So, should we just be upset that we exist on said Internet as more or less anonymous people who are judged to be children by others because we don't share a single opinion? Or maybe we are children, who are misusing a discussion board as a place to exchange ideas and opinions, instead of its intended purpose as a place of singular opinion and mindless acceptance. Oh, and while we're at it, we can selectively enforce the concept that we are not valued as fans of a product, and that we are secondary units in the economic machine that promotes the buying of real-world valueless plastic to children, despite the fact that we purchase said plastic as well. Or maybe we just shouldn't enjoy and/or want something to enjoy out of something we, well, enjoy. But let us not forget to enlarge the front part of our jeans when a Throttlebot or other such who-cares-about'em character shows up in the pages of a comic, elated that 'someone cares about us as fans' in the midst of an industry that doens't acknowledge us because we are not the children we are purported to be on the Internet for not just accepting everything?

morphobots wrote:Hear-hear. Let us not use this website designed for the promotion and open discussion of a subject we hold near and dear to our hearts for the purpose it was intended. Let us log on here periodically, look at the shiny pictures, smile in agreement, and log off without uttering a discouraging word.
Perhaps we whine because we care. Not that it is G1, not that we are old farts or sniveling babies, but because in all incarnations of this brand "it is a world transformed, where things are not what they seem." A universe of magic and adventure which appealed to us in our younger days as strongly as Tolkien's or Lucas's creations did, the wonder of which we would like to pass on to our children and our future grandchildren, if it is not snuffed out by continual retcons, hack directors, and writers who think alien conflict on a galactic scale consists of sitting on your butt doing nothing but infighting for the better part of two years.

Finally some people who "get it" for once.

Gentlemen, I applaud you. I myself am too tired to write out a long argument like you two have. So in this case I shall simply say. "I could not have put it better myself." Thank you.

Ok I'm taking bets. Which existing 3rd party Tf maker creates this new design of Megatron? OOORRRRR, will another 3rd party company emerge to tackle our wallets with this dark (and
kinda tough looking) Megatron??!! Place your bets! 2 to 1 odds on a newcomer.

it could be worse. it could be from japan.

I still have a little hope that the ongoing series can pick itself up from the floor. I actually enjoyed the last issue towards the end with the cons busting out.

Its not much hope. But a little.

Also I may have missed it but have there been any plans for future mini series or spotlights in the recent solicitations (other than infestation)? One book per month is no good in trying to cover such a wide and varied franchise like TF.

It really is getting louder every issue...
Transformers Ongoing is not going to survive!

Even when real TF fans are thinking about dropping the book and accepting that this is the single most terrible comic version of the Transformers ever (well maybe except for the 3 3D issues by Blackthorn back in the day), it is really sad that IDW is letting this go through.
What do *they* hope to achieve by bringing a G1 book that does not look, feel, smell and read like anything G1? Or even Transformers at all for that matter. It is a badly told book about humans / government who happen to have big ugly and otherwise useless robots in their backyard.

It is just such a waste of an opportunity...
It really is just sad...

Angelus wrote:It really is getting louder every issue...
Transformers Ongoing is not going to survive!

Sales numbers seem to say otherwise. Just at the comic shops I frequent, the TF series sells out every week...so much so that I have issues finding the books at all.

Angelus wrote:Even when real TF fans are thinking about dropping the book and accepting that this is the single most terrible comic version of the Transformers ever

That's not contemptuous at all, is it? A "real TF fan"? To whom do you refer to? What defines your "real TF fans"? Do you use a cookie cutter?

To be flat honest, that sentence is insulting, period. It fits into the "Shiites aren't real Muslims" or "Catholics aren't real Christians" or other racist characterization. So anyone who may actually enjoy the different take on TF from this series is not a "real TF fan"? Someone who may like the movies is not a "real TF fan"? Someone who doesn't collect the Japanese figures? Or doesn't have a "complete" collection? What exactly IS your definition? Enlighten us, please.

With a real TF fan I meant the fan who will digest anything TF on it.
If I read a GI Joe comic, I can enjoy that book for what it is. I do not own any figure from any timeline.
A Transformers fan who is not familair with G1 will most certainly not buy this (G1 ongoing) book (maybe they did but probably stopped a long time ago). The stories are told way to slow and there is nothing familair in the book at all except for a few names.

And now... even the most hardcore TF fan is *not* happy with what IDW is bringing to the stands.
It is possible you cannot find any copies... Maybe not because the copies are all sold but maybe because the retailer just didn't order any or less then before?

The Diamond Comics list istn't real possitive in sales information for the G1 ongoing book...

And if you read all the complaints in the forums here or at IDW, the sounds are very, very clear from the TF fans...

I was not trying to insult anyone at any given time... Never... But if you feel offended by what I said, I am sorry. However, I do not think it is correct to think that a religion is about the same a 'real' TF-fan...
If you really feel that way, well, than I am sorry about that too...

Angelus wrote:The Diamond Comics list istn't real possitive in sales information for the G1 ongoing book...

Then what is?

Angelus wrote:And if you read all the complaints in the forums here or at IDW, the sounds are very, very clear from the TF fans...

A very vocal minority does not carry the voice of the people.

11,000 issues sold and declining every month...
Profit, or lack thereof, is the voice of the people... vocal or not.

Angelus wrote:11,000 issues sold and declining every month...
Profit, or lack thereof, is the voice of the people... vocal or not.

Those are average numbers in the comic industry. Everyone is losing subscribers and sales are down across the board as more technically-advanced versions come along and people are able to access the comics online or through apps. So, if you look at it, sales numbers really aren't going to tell the tale. A good number of people are also waiting for the TPB versions rather than the individual issues to save a little money.

Angelus, no worries mate. I suppose the weather is getting to me here. I probably just took it the wrong way...

Midnight_Fox wrote:

Angelus wrote:And if you read all the complaints in the forums here or at IDW, the sounds are very, very clear from the TF fans...

A very vocal minority does not carry the voice of the people.

Very true. And once again, we have to remember that comics aren't necessarily aimed at adult fans either, despite being a "G1 reboot". It's just like the toy line...we aren't the primary audience.

First-Aid wrote:Very true. And once again, we have to remember that comics aren't necessarily aimed at adult fans either, despite being a "G1 reboot". It's just like the toy line...we aren't the primary audience.

Yes the target audience is a bunch dumb drooling twelve year old children.

No, you cannot tell me that the target audiences for comics in the past 10/15 years (at least) have not been people age 15+.

And I think being a fan of G1 has nothing to do with good writing anyway. I'm only 18, I didn't see G1 when it first came out. When I finally did see it I thought it was stupid but fun. And I've always expected it to get better as time goes on.

Besides, dumb writing and bad art should be for the movie series of comics. Or have you forgotten that we have two running series, meant to appeal to two separate audiences? What's more insulting is that one of our best writers has actually been placed in the position of writing said movie comics.

In regards to the art, I personally stand by the point that Ongoing (from conception) was meant for fans who cared about the original G1 series, or at the very least it is based on G1. So why is Don Figueroa drawing everything in a God awful Pat Lee/Michael Bay mix? Especially when no one else is. Come to think of it, is he progressively getting worse?

if memory serves 11k is less than the figure simon got kicked off the book over so i reckon the arguements on the net are a bit moot now as the titles lost nearly a third of it readers since its relaunch .

seeing as the need to "shake things up" and boost sales lay behind costa getting on the book in the first place the same logic would now seem to point to him being taken off soon.

probably by june if it keeps up like this as the figures will be below 7k or so.

its not a good sign that don has abandoned ship too with this issue being his last. im not a fan of his new style but his involvement was one of the big pushes of the title so it says something that he doesnt want to stick around anymore.

i agree with angelus's comments about "real" fans, though a better word to use would be "hardcore". i never thought I'd drop transformers but i did after the fairy liquid affair of issue 8.

and im a guy that openly read it all the way through secondary school when socially that was beyond the pale.

i did that cause i was getting the best writing ever in the form of the unicron saga and could happily hand any issue to someone then and say "read it and see if its as dumb as you think"

i couldnt possibly defend the ongoing the same way now.

its just an embarresingly bad comic.

i do laud IDW for chancing it. but its ran its disasterous course so now its time, IMO, to do a "revelations" on it and start giving us the complex multiple subplot layden intriguing character driven comics we were used to again.

the average age of a comic fan is 30 now. this just isnt up to scratch with whats out there and TBH im hard pushed to work up the enthusisam to buy it in trade form as since dropping it i find im not really all that drawn to looking at it. ESPECIALLY when i see the previews of individual issues.

for the first time im actually looking at names attached to a TF comic when deciding whether to get it or not.

Diamond Comics has sold out of issue 15. Just went in yesterday to pick it up and the store was out of them, and my friend- who is the store manager- checked with Diamond and they were sold out.

last time stuff like that happened with a comic in my local the book got cancelled 6 issues later.

if you dont see a second or third printing , selling out just means no ones ordering you book in large numbers.

ongoing has been hemaoraging sales in the hundreds.

if theres no turnaround , or even a static stall, theres only ONE logical conclusion to its current sales trend.

look at it this way. ongoing 13 shifted less copies than spotlight mirage. even devestation 6 shifted two thousand more issues and the book was considered in enough trouble then to prompt AHM.

morphobots wrote:Sooooo . . . Hot Rod was blasted out into space with the Matrix, but there it is still around Starscream's neck on the cover? All right, it's a cover, meant to just garner interest, so I'll sort of let that slide.

I'm sure I don't have to explain...You've probably already come to the same conclusion. It's a flashback. The story of Megs' reveal - Starscream talking to Shockwave and Soundwave to Megs shooting Hot Rod into space with the Matrix. The last page is Starscream w/o the Matrix. I love playing Captain Obvious!

I've been so disappointed with where the story is going lately, but I still must have some faith because I bought and read #15. There's some things I liked, and some things I didn't. The talk show thing is making me mad. It's a lot of dialogue that could be said just as dramatically in a page at most. The story is still slow, but maybe - finally there's a point being made, a plan, a plot, maybe an actual point to this whole story. There's always been little hints throughout the series - there's the possibility of good stories there, it's just not getting there very fast and I find that annoying. This is war - robots from outer space - guns, explosions, revenge, compassion, betrayal, villainy, heroism - and it hasn't been very interesting.

I'm anxious to see what the story is behind the fate of Prime and his buddies. Does Thundercracker decide he's still Starscream's brother? Who's Brawn looking for? Do the humans end up pointed their evil little guns at the Decepticons? All subplots that have potential. Ok, apparently I'm at least planning on buying #16 now.

So, it's good to see some of the faithful and optimistic here. Where the hell have you all been? If you like Ongoing, then say so - and say why. I'm always holding out hope that this comic is going to get better, but for me - always the hopeful one - it hasn't and I'm losing that excitement to see the next issue. I really don't think that the fans who dislike Ongoing are a vocal minority. I think it's the majority. So, those of you who like it have some work ahead of you - time to make some noise!

Stormer wrote:
So, it's good to see some of the faithful and optimistic here. Where the hell have you all been? If you like Ongoing, then say so - and say why. I'm always holding out hope that this comic is going to get better, but for me - always the hopeful one - it hasn't and I'm losing that excitement to see the next issue. I really don't think that the fans who dislike Ongoing are a vocal minority. I think it's the majority. So, those of you who like it have some work ahead of you - time to make some noise!

Not trolling or anything, but I just wanted to say that I applaud your saying this. The far too depressingly common mindset forced on this board seems to be the one that if you don't like something you are far and away the minority voice, and I am just glad to see someone taking the time to postulate that the opposite may be true. I don't care for the new ongoing, and stopped reading it a number of issues ago, and I am not being argumentative, but I am heartened to see someone saying that the majority of people may not be the ones who are accepting of something. It may not be coming out the right way, but I respect your idea here much more than I respect things like "It's not intended for you, but for children, so stop not liking something that isn't even meant for your consumption," which is apparently the only voice of TF debate in forever.
In an argument or a debate, the negative side is not the one that needs to prove itself. It is the responsibility of the affirmative to convince the negative otherwise, and saying "Stop being a candy ass, all of this shit is meant for kids" is not even kind of effective.
I just wanted to say Stormer, that I respect your opinion infinately, even though I don't like the comic. You seem a voice of reason here, and not just someone being mad because everyone doesn't like what you like. Thanks, a little bit of my faith in humanity has been restored thanks to you.

First-Aid wrote:Diamond Comics has sold out of issue 15. Just went in yesterday to pick it up and the store was out of them, and my friend- who is the store manager- checked with Diamond and they were sold out.

On my father's grave I am not trying to be arguementative, and I see what you're trying to do with this, but Justin Bieber has made more money in his musical lifetime than Mozart did. So, based on sales and monetary realizations alone, are we to say that J Biebs is more musically important and relevant that was/is Mozart? I am in no way peeing on your enjoyment of the comic, but am rather calling into question the idea that sales automatically equals quality, and therefore renders dissenting opinions foolish.

I was excited when Ironhide or Last Stand of the Wreckers came out.

With ongoing I always ask myself "Why are the mini series better than the ongoing?"

Been that way for awhile now......

I mean seriously Peoples Republic of Predacons, the Korea-cons were enough to make me throw up in my mouth some.

Seekers that go from F-22 to F-15 every other issue.

Crap art from Figeura, let alone check in on that awesome fill in art, seriously its so AWESOME I could die(from embarresment).

Where is it going and what has it done in 15 issues? No where and I dont think anyone knows.


Hey look we got Megatron's all over the world now and he's in your head man, he's in your head lol

First movie character bastardized designs and now we are getting WFC Megatron. Quit @#%^$@$ around and make something happen before u keep puking in more dumb crap no one wants.

At this point Dreamwave looks like Transformer gods, least u wanted to pick it up to look at most of the time.

I started collecting comics with Transformers #4 from Marvel. I never wanted to quit a G1 book before, but IDW is dangerously close to it happening. I already ignore anything they do non G1 since it is more of the same crap and I care nothing about the movie stuff.

Dagon wrote:Not trolling or anything, but I just wanted to say that I applaud your saying this. The far too depressingly common mindset forced on this board seems to be the one that if you don't like something you are far and away the minority voice, and I am just glad to see someone taking the time to postulate that the opposite may be true. I don't care for the new ongoing, and stopped reading it a number of issues ago, and I am not being argumentative, but I am heartened to see someone saying that the majority of people may not be the ones who are accepting of something. It may not be coming out the right way, but I respect your idea here much more than I respect things like "It's not intended for you, but for children, so stop not liking something that isn't even meant for your consumption," which is apparently the only voice of TF debate in forever.
In an argument or a debate, the negative side is not the one that needs to prove itself. It is the responsibility of the affirmative to convince the negative otherwise, and saying "Stop being a candy ass, all of this shit is meant for kids" is not even kind of effective.
I just wanted to say Stormer, that I respect your opinion infinately, even though I don't like the comic. You seem a voice of reason here, and not just someone being mad because everyone doesn't like what you like. Thanks, a little bit of my faith in humanity has been restored thanks to you.

Thanks, Dagon! That's quite a compliment!

Here's the thing that drives me completely batty - we've got those on here who don't have any problem with telling you why they dislike Ongoing and why which is fine. Then there are those who will just go along with whatever everyone else is saying. Then you got those who like it, but are afraid to speak up. I get why they're not forthcoming with their opinions - that vocal bunch who hate it will rip them apart for liking it. This is a two way street. We're here to better the fandom. We're all here because our beloved Transformers is what brought us together. We don't all have to like everything that has Transformers written on it, but when fans say what they like and don't like, the hope here is to arrive somewhere in the middle to make the majority happy. Not everyone is going to happy all the time - that expectation is ludicrous. I don't mind a good heated argument as long as there are valid opinions being vocalized. Remember the G2 comic from Marvel? That was a damn good story and it was still canceled! LSOTW was clearly not kid-stuff. The target audience is us - period. It doesn't matter how old you are. Quantity does not constitute quality - but the other way around. If you put out a quality product, people will buy and enjoy it.

I want Ongoing to succeed. I want to dig out those comics in twenty years and know I'm looking at a classic. I think that's what everyone wants in the end.

Stormer wrote:
I want Ongoing to succeed. I think that's what everyone wants in the end.

We are fans. we naturally want the franchise to be successful, as that breeds franchise longevity.

But it is dissention which breeds said success, not chastising or looking down on people who are in the dislike camp for some new development. We have these boogeymen, like GeeWuners and that bullshit, like "Oh, you don't want to be a GeeWunner" like there's hundreds of thousands of them, and so we have to attach that name to anyone who doesn't straight up love something new. Opposition is true friendship. Fans complained about the movie look of the Ongoing robots. They don''t look that movie-ish to me any more.

I am glad people like the Ongoning, and Animated, and ROTF and PRime and all the rest of it. I resent being made to seem less for not liking those things. I'm 32 years old. I'm glad kids like Transformers. But I like them too, and until my own kids like Transformers, the only fan of Transformers that I really care about is myself. I shouldn't be a neckbeard or whatever if I dont agree. I'm vocal about things I dont like, sure, but I'm not even close to as rude as some people are. But even in that, I accept it, because we are fans. We are passionate about this stuff, because we love it.
And Stormer, I love you. It just kind of went with the preceeding sentences, hope you don't mind.

Dagon wrote:

Stormer wrote:
I want Ongoing to succeed. I think that's what everyone wants in the end.

We are fans. we naturally want the franchise to be successful, as that breeds franchise longevity.

But it is dissention which breeds said success, not chastising or looking down on people who are in the dislike camp for some new development. We have these boogeymen, like GeeWuners and that bullshit, like "Oh, you don't want to be a GeeWunner" like there's hundreds of thousands of them, and so we have to attach that name to anyone who doesn't straight up love something new. Opposition is true friendship. Fans complained about the movie look of the Ongoing robots. They don't look that movie-ish to me any more.

I am glad people like the Ongoning, and Animated, and ROTF and PRime and all the rest of it. I resent being made to seem less for not liking those things. I'm 32 years old. I'm glad kids like Transformers. But I like them too, and until my own kids like Transformers, the only fan of Transformers that I really care about is myself. I shouldn't be a neckbeard or whatever if I dont agree. I'm vocal about things I dont like, sure, but I'm not even close to as rude as some people are. But even in that, I accept it, because we are fans. We are passionate about this stuff, because we love it.
And Stormer, I love you. It just kind of went with the preceeding sentences, hope you don't mind.

Ya just gotta have a good balance. This is proof that two fans with different opinions can get along and even compliment each others opinions without coming to blows or being rude. And, you're absolutely right - we're all passionate about this stuff. Otherwise, why bother? I've said before on other threads that being on this forum and reading what others think or know about the subject enhances my fan experience. I really enjoy the discussions here because it makes me consider someone else's point of view and opens my mind up to other possibilities.

And...if we all agreed about everything all the time, Good Lord, how boring would that be?


Awww...I love you too, Dagon! I don't mind at all!

figures are out for decembers orders now and issue 14 shifted 10573 units.

if it keeps up like this 15 will be lucky to still be at the 10k units level.

Stormer wrote:

Dagon wrote:

Stormer wrote:
I want Ongoing to succeed. I think that's what everyone wants in the end.

We are fans. we naturally want the franchise to be successful, as that breeds franchise longevity.

But it is dissention which breeds said success, not chastising or looking down on people who are in the dislike camp for some new development. We have these boogeymen, like GeeWuners and that bullshit, like "Oh, you don't want to be a GeeWunner" like there's hundreds of thousands of them, and so we have to attach that name to anyone who doesn't straight up love something new. Opposition is true friendship. Fans complained about the movie look of the Ongoing robots. They don't look that movie-ish to me any more.

I am glad people like the Ongoning, and Animated, and ROTF and PRime and all the rest of it. I resent being made to seem less for not liking those things. I'm 32 years old. I'm glad kids like Transformers. But I like them too, and until my own kids like Transformers, the only fan of Transformers that I really care about is myself. I shouldn't be a neckbeard or whatever if I dont agree. I'm vocal about things I dont like, sure, but I'm not even close to as rude as some people are. But even in that, I accept it, because we are fans. We are passionate about this stuff, because we love it.
And Stormer, I love you. It just kind of went with the preceeding sentences, hope you don't mind.

Ya just gotta have a good balance. This is proof that two fans with different opinions can get along and even compliment each others opinions without coming to blows or being rude. And, you're absolutely right - we're all passionate about this stuff. Otherwise, why bother? I've said before on other threads that being on this forum and reading what others think or know about the subject enhances my fan experience. I really enjoy the discussions here because it makes me consider someone else's point of view and opens my mind up to other possibilities.

And...if we all agreed about everything all the time, Good Lord, how boring would that be?


Awww...I love you too, Dagon! I don't mind at all!

Utter agreement. I LOVE seeing the other opinions, it helps me to expand my own. I just don't think it's any kind of productive when a differing opinion is greeted with taunts of how this shit's for kids like that excludes us, or that we all must change with times or else are the basement dwellers. I live in a basement by choice, got a problem with that? (Not you, the Cosmos) I've got two degrees and am pursuing the start of a doctorate, but I'm some loser because I like my Prime with smokestacks or I prefer Megatron's trigger crotch? I think not.
We need to disagree, and if that hurts a feeling here or there, or makes some 17 year old on the Internet not feel like the bee's knees, that's just sorta a part of it. I'm not mean or malicious, but disagreement breeds development. Opposition is true friendship.


So, uh, your place or mine? I live in a basement apartment, and have a large action figure collection....

Dagon wrote:Utter agreement. I LOVE seeing the other opinions, it helps me to expand my own. I just don't think it's any kind of productive when a differing opinion is greeted with taunts of how this shit's for kids like that excludes us, or that we all must change with times or else are the basement dwellers. I live in a basement by choice, got a problem with that? (Not you, the Cosmos) I've got two degrees and am pursuing the start of a doctorate, but I'm some loser because I like my Prime with smokestacks or I prefer Megatron's trigger crotch? I think not.
We need to disagree, and if that hurts a feeling here or there, or makes some 17 year old on the Internet not feel like the bee's knees, that's just sorta a part of it. I'm not mean or malicious, but disagreement breeds development. Opposition is true friendship.


So, uh, your place or mine? I live in a basement apartment, and have a large action figure collection....

BWAHAHAHAHAH!!! I live in a house in a yuppy neighborhood, and have a small action figure collection - I think I've got more room! Ya don't mind dogs, do ya?

Stormer wrote:

Dagon wrote:Not trolling or anything, but I just wanted to say that I applaud your saying this. The far too depressingly common mindset forced on this board seems to be the one that if you don't like something you are far and away the minority voice, and I am just glad to see someone taking the time to postulate that the opposite may be true. I don't care for the new ongoing, and stopped reading it a number of issues ago, and I am not being argumentative, but I am heartened to see someone saying that the majority of people may not be the ones who are accepting of something. It may not be coming out the right way, but I respect your idea here much more than I respect things like "It's not intended for you, but for children, so stop not liking something that isn't even meant for your consumption," which is apparently the only voice of TF debate in forever.
In an argument or a debate, the negative side is not the one that needs to prove itself. It is the responsibility of the affirmative to convince the negative otherwise, and saying "Stop being a candy ass, all of this shit is meant for kids" is not even kind of effective.
I just wanted to say Stormer, that I respect your opinion infinately, even though I don't like the comic. You seem a voice of reason here, and not just someone being mad because everyone doesn't like what you like. Thanks, a little bit of my faith in humanity has been restored thanks to you.

Thanks, Dagon! That's quite a compliment!

Here's the thing that drives me completely batty - we've got those on here who don't have any problem with telling you why they dislike Ongoing and why which is fine. Then there are those who will just go along with whatever everyone else is saying. Then you got those who like it, but are afraid to speak up. I get why they're not forthcoming with their opinions - that vocal bunch who hate it will rip them apart for liking it. This is a two way street. We're here to better the fandom. We're all here because our beloved Transformers is what brought us together. We don't all have to like everything that has Transformers written on it, but when fans say what they like and don't like, the hope here is to arrive somewhere in the middle to make the majority happy. Not everyone is going to happy all the time - that expectation is ludicrous. I don't mind a good heated argument as long as there are valid opinions being vocalized. Remember the G2 comic from Marvel? That was a damn good story and it was still canceled! LSOTW was clearly not kid-stuff. The target audience is us - period. It doesn't matter how old you are. Quantity does not constitute quality - but the other way around. If you put out a quality product, people will buy and enjoy it.

I want Ongoing to succeed. I want to dig out those comics in twenty years and know I'm looking at a classic. I think that's what everyone wants in the end.

I for one LOVE ongoing and thinks it's far better than Furman's whole IDW run which was IMHO at a best a forgettable snore fest and at worst complete and total shit (FTR I said at the IDW boards and I will say here it again Revelations was one of the worse comic series I ever read and Maximum Dinobots wasn't much an improvement). I think damn time we saw some new blood in the series that brings a new and fresh perspective on a franchise that under Furman's writing was going stale and boring. Furman had almost 50 issues between mini-series and Transformers: Spotlight and all it led up to was a bad Darth Vader rip off (Nemesis Prime) trying to merge univeses and the Autobots speaking in techno babble straight out of Star Trek: Voyager and vague threats of a larger dangers and the Dinobots and friends fighting Decepticons on Earth.

By time I slogged through Maximum Dinobots TPB I actually hated all The Transformers comics from Marvel, DW, and IDW because I was so disgusted by this crap by Furman who IMHO hasn't written a decent TF story since G2 #12.

Maybe the reason I loved All Hail Megatron was because I read it in trades and not as single issues, maybe it was because I did my best to advoid Transformers comic book discussions because I was so sick of the crap that Furman wrote. Maybe it's because it's because of iconoclastic nature, or combonations of all or some.

I honestly don't give a damn about people's opinions of me, I would rather be hated for being honest with my opinions that being loved as a liar to get and go a long with crowd because it's safer.

I've enjoyed all of the TF G1 related books since ongoing has started, they along with other titles like Mass Effect: Redemption, Dragon Age, X-Factor, and others have rekindled my love for monthly comics.

My advice to people who don't like the comics is simple: don't buy them.

Cyberstrike wrote:I for one LOVE ongoing and thinks it's far better than Furman's whole IDW run which was IMHO at a best a forgettable snore fest and at worst complete and total shit (FTR I said at the IDW boards and I will say here it again Revelations was one of the worse comic series I ever read and Maximum Dinobots wasn't much an improvement). I think damn time we saw some new blood in the series that brings a new and fresh perspective on a franchise that under Furman's writing was going stale and boring. Furman had almost 50 issues between mini-series and Transformers: Spotlight and all it led up to was a bad Darth Vader rip off (Nemesis Prime) trying to merge univeses and the Autobots speaking in techno babble straight out of Star Trek: Voyager and vague threats of a larger dangers and the Dinobots and friends fighting Decepticons on Earth.

By time I slogged through Maximum Dinobots TPB I actually hated all The Transformers comics from Marvel, DW, and IDW because I was so disgusted by this crap by Furman who IMHO hasn't written a decent TF story since G2 #12.

Maybe the reason I loved All Hail Megatron was because I read it in trades and not as single issues, maybe it was because I did my best to advoid Transformers comic book discussions because I was so sick of the crap that Furman wrote. Maybe it's because it's because of iconoclastic nature, or combonations of all or some.

I honestly don't give a damn about people's opinions of me, I would rather be hated for being honest with my opinions that being loved as a liar to get and go a long with crowd because it's safer.

I've enjoyed all of the TF G1 related books since ongoing has started, they along with other titles like Mass Effect: Redemption, Dragon Age, X-Factor, and others have rekindled my love for monthly comics.

My advice to people who don't like the comics is simple: don't buy them.

Well, that is the bottom line, isn't it? I think in Ogoing's case, sadly, that's exactly what's happening.

I will say though, that I'm glad you're not afraid to say you like Ongoing. I'm glad there's a few of you out there who are willing to stand up for it. I'm going to continue to stick up for it and continue to find the positives in each issue. But, I'm not afraid to give my honest opinions when there's something in it I don't like too - because I know it could be worlds better.

tbf, Furman's writing was never ever that great, Ongoing is just worst. Last Stand of the Wreckers is where it's at!