Transformers Masterpiece Optimus Primal Primal 3D render

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As a beast-baby, this will be the first Masterpiece figure I've ever purchased...hot dang, it's gonna be worth it, I hope....How much is this thing gonna cost?

I'm just curious if will this be in scale with the current MPs. Because if it does then this will be tiny!

Everyone may hate me, but I'm not feeling this one. While it's a great effort & a nice robot mode, I feel it cheapens the whole Masterpiece line with an alt mode that is far from convincing. The Masterpiece line should be the be-all, end-all definitive figure for a character... While this figure may fill that role for now, it will clearly need re-engineering in the future to better hide the robot bits in beast mode. Because of this, I feel it really doesn't qualify as a Masterpiece.

Hell YEAH! This one look amazing! So, that mean we will FINALLY have a MP Megatron.... The BW T-Rex one, that is.

LegendaryAntiHero wrote:About time time Takara did a Masterpiece for something besides G1

Yaniger-swipe and Gold-bee don't count then?

EDIT: This is actually making me seriously rethink the decision to put the LG-02 Optimus Primal on my Christmas list.

I'm not sure the family would pick it up for me, but if this looks amazing and it's a sensible price, it might just end up being the fastest a brand new figure has ever been retired from my shelf.

MegaDump wrote:Everyone may hate me, but I'm not feeling this one. While it's a great effort & a nice robot mode, I feel it cheapens the whole Masterpiece line with an alt mode that is far from convincing. The Masterpiece line should be the be-all, end-all definitive figure for a character... While this figure may fill that role for now, it will clearly need re-engineering in the future to better hide the robot bits in beast mode. Because of this, I feel it really doesn't qualify as a Masterpiece.

You are not alone, I am not feeling it either.

ishigoto wrote:As a beast-baby, this will be the first Masterpiece figure I've ever purchased...hot dang, it's gonna be worth it, I hope....How much is this thing gonna cost?

At least 100$, assuming it is the same size class as Ironhide/Shockwave or bigger .

MegaDump wrote:Everyone may hate me, but I'm not feeling this one. While it's a great effort & a nice robot mode, I feel it cheapens the whole Masterpiece line with an alt mode that is far from convincing. The Masterpiece line should be the be-all, end-all definitive figure for a character... While this figure may fill that role for now, it will clearly need re-engineering in the future to better hide the robot bits in beast mode. Because of this, I feel it really doesn't qualify as a Masterpiece.

Yeah, the engineering seems more like an update than really a Masterpiece figure. I dont see how RHinox is generations and this is an MP, aside from size. This will really be a wait and see for me. That beast mode does not look as good as when they first showed it:

I'm not convinced until I see some images from the toy itself.

Sah-weet. I'm so excited by this. Can't wait for them to announce more details.

Meh not a huge fan of beast wars so this is an easy pass. I agree with Will that this looks more like a generations figure than a masterpiece.

They could have hidden the elbow hinges in ape mode better, but as for robot mode accuracy, i think he's pretty much perfect



I'd also say that the already released MP figures aren't perfectly accurate eiter, taking liberties in bot mode, alt mode, or both.
In that sense, Primal is just as much a Masterpiece as the other ones.

wilcosu35 wrote:They could have hidden the elbow hinges in ape mode better, but as for robot mode accuracy, i think he's pretty much perfect



I'd also say that the already released MP figures aren't perfectly accurate eiter, taking liberties in bot mode, alt mode, or both.
In that sense, Primal is just as much a Masterpiece as the other ones.

This all gets to the question of 'what's an MP?' or 'what characteristics define an MP?' or even 'what's the platonic ideal?'

For characters with licensed vehicle modes, the answer is easier - slavish vehicle modes, compromises in bot mode where needed. With Optimus Primal, the compromise is in the alt mode... which is a weird inversion of our normal expectations when it comes to Masterpiece figures.

Either way, I think it's way too early to pass judgment on this one.

Early indeed.

First reaction is, this cartoon accuracy rampage is driving me nuts. The ape mode looks bad. He's an animal, not a computer model from 1994. He should have fur! Not this smooth CG rendered finish.

The bot mode looks great though! I will anxiously await more information.

I can hop onboard the Primal bandwagon. Nice looking render. Cannot wait to see some more stuff down the line!

He looks pretty good for an early render. The one shown at the toy show was just a statue not an actual working figure. Wonder how they will scale him? If he is kept in scale with the rest of the masterpiece figures then he would be about the same size as the LG-02 Primal figure. If thats the case then why make him in masterpiece as that, Gen. Rattrap and Rhinox are already fairly in scale with masterpiece. When Primal took Prime's spark and held it, he was about shin height to him.

For an early render this doesn't look too bad. The gorilla does look a bit awkward, the feet were the first thing I noticed as off, but most of the Beast Wars toys had robot kibble showing somewhere so it doesn't bother me that much. This could very well be my first Masterpiece figure, I kind of hope it's around the same height as a Generations Voyager (something close to Combiner Wars Optimus/Motormaster, a little bit taller than Masterpiece Bumblebee would be perfect), but I get the feeling it will be closer in height to Masterpiece Prowl or Wheeljack.

Cobotron wrote:Early indeed.

First reaction is, this cartoon accuracy rampage is driving me nuts. The ape mode looks bad. He's an animal, not a computer model from 1994. He should have fur! Not this smooth CG rendered finish.

The bot mode looks great though! I will anxiously await more information.

Why? That's what's driven me away from all of his releases thus far, is that the beast mode head never looked like the character I grew up loving... the MP line has always been about cartoon accuracy where needed, and where else would it be needed than in giving him his iconic cartoon head model. If you want a 'realistic' o/p get any of the standard releases, as they probably fit the bill better

It looks like they're trying to make this toy's Beast Mode able to both realistically bend over on all fours (as Primal did in the show when he wanted to walk or run) and unrealistically stand upright (as Primal also did in the show went he was just standing around).

Sabrblade wrote:It looks like they're trying to make this toy's Beast Mode able to both realistically bend over on all fours (as Primal did in the show when he wanted to walk or run) and unrealistically stand upright (as Primal also did in the show went he was just standing around).

Just like they did for rattrap; which is fair, as that's how they spent the bulk of their time in beast mode; imagine if they tried to do terrorsaur, what an engineering mess he would yield

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Cobotron wrote:Early indeed.

First reaction is, this cartoon accuracy rampage is driving me nuts. The ape mode looks bad. He's an animal, not a computer model from 1994. He should have fur! Not this smooth CG rendered finish.

The bot mode looks great though! I will anxiously await more information.

Why? That's what's driven me away from all of his releases thus far, is that the beast mode head never looked like the character I grew up loving... the MP line has always been about cartoon accuracy where needed, and where else would it be needed than in giving him his iconic cartoon head model. If you want a 'realistic' o/p get any of the standard releases, as they probably fit the bill better

I "grew up" ( ) loving the toy more than the show model. One of my all time favorite toys I've ever owned. That's just me. I get the whole Toon Acc thing, but I feel like Masterpiece should mean a better toy than it's predecessors. IMO a better toy would mean a more realistic beast mode. Not a gorilla with an inter tube stretched over his bones.
Maybe this rendering hasn't hit the texturing phase. I don't know. Plus I don't mind that his sculpt looks like the cartoon. I just think he needs some depth.

Trust me. I REALLY want to love this thing. And so like I said, I will anxiously wait to see what happens and keep a positive outlook.

Oh, and congrats on your promotion Newsie!

Cobotron wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Cobotron wrote:Early indeed.

First reaction is, this cartoon accuracy rampage is driving me nuts. The ape mode looks bad. He's an animal, not a computer model from 1994. He should have fur! Not this smooth CG rendered finish.

The bot mode looks great though! I will anxiously await more information.

Why? That's what's driven me away from all of his releases thus far, is that the beast mode head never looked like the character I grew up loving... the MP line has always been about cartoon accuracy where needed, and where else would it be needed than in giving him his iconic cartoon head model. If you want a 'realistic' o/p get any of the standard releases, as they probably fit the bill better

I "grew up" ( ) loving the toy more than the show model. One of my all time favorite toys I've ever owned. That's just me. I get the whole Toon Acc thing, but I feel like Masterpiece should mean a better toy than it's predecessors. IMO a better toy would mean a more realistic beast mode. Not a gorilla with an inter tube stretched over his bones.
Maybe this rendering hasn't hit the texturing phase. I don't know. Plus I don't mind that his sculpt looks like the cartoon. I just think he needs some depth.

Trust me. I REALLY want to love this thing. And so like I said, I will anxiously wait to see what happens and keep a positive outlook.

I mentioned this before, but they can't 'improve' the figure; he and megs were perfect (nearly in megs' case - need that hand); I never had a chance to gt o/p toy as a kid, so all I had was the show...

Besides, TT is being cartoon accurate, just as the mp line does, buttflaps, aprons, and all...

Wonder if he'll have a flip-up mouthplate

Oh, and congrats on your promotion Newsie!

Thanks I can edit posts now, this is amazing

Hellscream9999 wrote: he and megs were perfect

INDEED!

Besides, TT is being cartoon accurate, just as the mp line does, buttflaps, aprons, and all...

Yes. and it's starting to drive me away from the line. Just me, but I prefer toy accuracy over toon.

Wonder if he'll have a flip-up mouthplate

That would be DOPE! Did you notice the panels on his forearms? Maybe he has the weapons gimmicks. I would like that very much.

william-james88 wrote:Yeah, the engineering seems more like an update than really a Masterpiece figure. I dont see how RHinox is generations and this is an MP, aside from size.

Because Rhinox had a ton of things about his toy that were completely inaccurate to the cartoon model, chief among them being his beast mode looking more like a real rhinoceros than the more cartoony look of the CG model, along with several aspects of his robot mode being inaccurate to the CG model's robot mode.

Moonshot wrote:Gen. Rattrap and Rhinox are already fairly in scale with masterpiece.

Aside from the original 1996 Ultra class Optimus Primal mold, Generations Rattrap is in scale with no one.

Cobotron wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:Besides, TT is being cartoon accurate, just as the mp line does, buttflaps, aprons, and all...

Yes. and it's starting to drive me away from the line. Just me, but I prefer toy accuracy over toon.

Well, just stick with the original, or any of the 10 updates TT has pushed out since then and you should be fine...

In regards to texture/smoothness, the CGI model did have a furry texture:



It was just that his fur happened to always be extremely well-groomed.

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Cobotron wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:Besides, TT is being cartoon accurate, just as the mp line does, buttflaps, aprons, and all...

Yes. and it's starting to drive me away from the line. Just me, but I prefer toy accuracy over toon.

Well, just stick with the original, or any of the 10 updates TT has pushed out since then and you should be fine...

The OG has been on my desk for the past week.

Cobotron wrote:Early indeed.

First reaction is, this cartoon accuracy rampage is driving me nuts. The ape mode looks bad. He's an animal, not a computer model from 1994. He should have fur! Not this smooth CG rendered finish.

The bot mode looks great though! I will anxiously await more information.

The fur may be a manufacturing/ cost thing. It's a high end collectible yes, but still mass produced

Sabrblade wrote:In regards to texture/smoothness, the CGI model did have a furry texture:



It was just that his fur happened to always be extremely well-groomed.

That's a weak excuse, they could mold more fur on the mp figure, the show version only had that because of cg constraints...

Cobotron wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Cobotron wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:Besides, TT is being cartoon accurate, just as the mp line does, buttflaps, aprons, and all...

Yes. and it's starting to drive me away from the line. Just me, but I prefer toy accuracy over toon.

Well, just stick with the original, or any of the 10 updates TT has pushed out since then and you should be fine...

The OG has been on my desk for the past week.

Lucky

Sabrblade wrote:In regards to texture/smoothness, the CGI model did have a furry texture:



It was just that his fur happened to always be extremely well-groomed.

Ya, I'm just hoping we see some on the toy. That's all.
What a handsome devil in that GQ pose.

Cobotron wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:In regards to texture/smoothness, the CGI model did have a furry texture:



It was just that his fur happened to always be extremely well-groomed.

Ya, I'm just hoping we see some on the toy. That's all.
What a handsome devil in that GQ pose.

The smoothness seen on the magazine scan CG render is what makes it an unfinished render, much like this very early unfinished render from Mainframe:

Sabrblade wrote:The smoothness seen on the magazine scan CG render is what makes it an unfinished render, much like this very early unfinished render from Mainframe:

Ya, I mentioned that a few posts back. Fingers crossed.

For the record guys. I may be an "Old Timer", but I love Beast wars above all things TFs.
That's why I really really want this thing to knock my socks off!

Cobotron wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:The smoothness seen on the magazine scan CG render is what makes it an unfinished render, much like this very early unfinished render from Mainframe:

Ya, I mentioned that a few posts back. Fingers crossed.

For the record guys. I may be an "Old Timer", but I love Beast wars above all things TFs.
That's why I really really want this thing to knock my socks off!

If you can get past the head (I love, you kinda don't, but, we did need a figure to have an accurate head) I think this will blow you away once some of the features/accesories are revealed

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:In regards to texture/smoothness, the CGI model did have a furry texture:



It was just that his fur happened to always be extremely well-groomed.

That's a weak excuse, they could mold more fur on the mp figure, the show version only had that because of cg constraints...

My point is that the show model did have fur and wasn't as solidly smooth-surfaced as this unfinished render looks.

Sabrblade wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:In regards to texture/smoothness, the CGI model did have a furry texture:



It was just that his fur happened to always be extremely well-groomed.

That's a weak excuse, they could mold more fur on the mp figure, the show version only had that because of cg constraints...

My point is that the show model did have fur and wasn't as solidly smooth-surfaced as this unfinished render looks.

Oh, that, yeah, that was a render without the texture layer active;

The hinges on beast mode look strange. Though to be honest the original mold had them too. Not sure how much of an improvement over the original Convoy mold this is going to be.

But as it stands IMHO, the Telemocha SP-DX Convoy is still the best version of the Primal mold to date.
Great silver and glossy red paint. All the accessories and features including the mutant head/mask.



Still will have to wait for a final product image before passing final judgement.

Overcracker wrote:But as it stands IMHO, the Telemocha SP-DX Convoy is still the best version of the Primal mold to date.
Great silver and glossy red paint. All the accessories and features including the mutant head/mask.

If only that one had included the Beast Wars Reborn version's show-accurate head and chestplate.

Sabrblade wrote:In regards to texture/smoothness, the CGI model did have a furry texture:



It was just that his fur happened to always be extremely well-groomed.

Let's look at it this way; at least they're not using actual fake fur on the figure. Primus what a mess that would be.

Delta Magnus wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:In regards to texture/smoothness, the CGI model did have a furry texture:



It was just that his fur happened to always be extremely well-groomed.

Let's look at it this way; at least they're not using actual fake fur on the figure. Primus what a mess that would be.

And expensive

Sabrblade wrote:

Overcracker wrote:But as it stands IMHO, the Telemocha SP-DX Convoy is still the best version of the Primal mold to date.
Great silver and glossy red paint. All the accessories and features including the mutant head/mask.

If only that one had included the Beast Wars Reborn version's show-accurate head and chestplate.

You can always mix and match for the perfect version. If you have both. Though the silver on the chest plate may not match.

The Chest / gorilla head is easily swappable. And the Head can be unscrewed.

So I just noticed that o/p has a joint in the collar to allow his arms to flex forward in beast mode, this could easily be the most dynamic mp released as far as articulation goes

Yup, I'll be ordering this guy for sure.


I'm not worrying about exposed robot bits in beast mode because let's face it, there's no way they can cover up all of those bits without making this guy one big panel former.

As for his fur, I'm sure they give it some texture so it'll look better.

My only three real complaints:

1) His bot mode head seems a little too big. Hopefully it'll be slightly smaller next time.

2) It seems like there's a button on his back. Please don't give this figure the same gimmicks as the original. No spring loaded flip up missile launchers and no lame arm swinging action.

3) How the hell did they mess up his feet so badly in both modes? The original figure did a really good job with the feet and this feels like a step back. They should be able to hide the other mode's feet better than this.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:My only three real complaints:

1) His bot mode head seems a little too big. Hopefully it'll be slightly smaller next time.

2) It seems like there's a button on his back. Please don't give this figure the same gimmicks as the original. No spring loaded flip up missile launchers and no lame arm swinging action.

3) How the hell did they mess up his feet so badly in both modes? The original figure did a really good job with the feet and this feels like a step back. They should be able to hide the other mode's feet better than this.

Emerje

1 - seems proportionate enough, but the longer I stare at it, the less sure I am

2 - please please please don't ruin this figure with that crap

3 - it may be to allow him to stand up in beast mode; I overlooked rattraps kibble for this reason, I can overlook it on o/p...

I'll take it however it comes out, because it's apparently all we're gonna get.

Nemesis Primal wrote:I'll take it however it comes out, because it's apparently all we're gonna get.

You can always get the one that came out last year:

william-james88 wrote:

Nemesis Primal wrote:I'll take it however it comes out, because it's apparently all we're gonna get.

You can always get the one that came out last year:

Or the other one that came out last year:

Yup, there are plenty of options. No one should feel forced to buy a toy. And plus from these early renders, it doesnt seem like such an extreme update.

so whats so special about this that the 10th anniversary one doesn't have
even though the 10th anniversary is from the original toy it was still very show accurate